/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5022727]

So, i was reading about ‘The Behavioral Sink.’ by John Calhoun, an overpopulation experiment on mouses living in an 'utopia' where strange behaviors appeared after the population attained a cap, decadence (homosex), increased violence and stagnation followed by collapse.

http://www.mostlyodd.com/death-by-utopia/

I am wondering if this is not what we begin to see all over the world since the 2000s, earlier in Japan there is a phenomenon known as Hikikomori, reclusive peoples who withdraw from social life with extreme degrees of isolation and confinement, in Japan there is a very high population density.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

This phenomenom seem to be increasing in Japan as well as others parts of the world, increasing in countries such as France, Korea, often hidden in the form of social phobia or asperger, countries with high density.

We might avoid collapse if thats real anyway since in the future there might be some problems with resources/increased tensions which would lead to third world war.

What do you think /sci/? Is there a correlation?

[Anonymous No.5022755]

>>5022727
China too have signs of increasing social withdrawal and they are first in pop density. Might be others things though such as education system but it is strange it happened earlier in the highest pop density/promiscuity regions.

[Anonymous No.5022772]

>>5022727 Japan
>>5022755 China
>implying we westerners are not a perfect example
Example: Opinions judged by popularity rather than intellectual integrity and accuracy to reality

[Anonymous No.5022782]

>This purpose of the experiments was not to portend some imminent doom for humanity, in fact Calhoun was trying to be positive. He wanted to change cities, his remedy to the behavioural sink was creativity. By changing society and changing how we designed our cities we could avoid becoming mired, stagnant, and eventually, dead as a dormouse.

Well, remind me of the Unabomber:

>Kaczynski maintains that rather than recognizing that humans currently live in "conditions that make them terribly unhappy," "the system" (i.e. industrial society) develops ways of controlling human responses to the overly stressful environment in which they find themselves.

Nice future.

[Anonymous No.5022818]

I don't see how this directly related to human beings
>decadence (homosex)
If we observe homosex in animals, the prediction should be homosex in humans, not "decadence". You don't just get to reinterpret animal behavior as any kind of human behavior you like.
>increased violence
violence is decreasing everywhere. In cases where it isn't this is because of increases in the number of non-White people, but even among non-Whites violence is decreasing.
>stagnation
We seem to be reaching pre 2008 GDP so where is the stagnation?

While society is changing in many ways, in every objective measure things are getting better (except for the financial crisis), and this is /sci/ so maybe that matters.

[Anonymous No.5023209]

>>5022818
homosex have been invasive lastly, feminism as it is nowaday is a treat, political activism is a joke, and lastly we are run by cosmopolitan predators

violence is decreasing only to be replaced by a different form of violence, virtual, pornography and wars (not only direct), sexual decadence can also be seen as a violence in certain spectrum

there is alot of more mental troubles and depressions also

stagnation is a phase which came after in the experiment of John Calhoun, due to the economical crisis and also the machine factor there is a massive wave of unemployment currently

[Anonymous No.5023243]

it won't happen to us though because we're much smarter than mouses.

[Anonymous No.5023353]

>>5023209
>there is alot of more mental troubles and depressions also
A lot higher numbers or a higher ratio of the population?

[Anonymous No.5023617]

>>5023243
I really hope you're kidding instead of thinking we're above the animal kingdom.

[Anonymous No.5023630]

>>5023209
Do you really think homosexuality and feminism are more threatening forms of violence than genocide, massive bombings or organised crime ? Cosmopolitains aren't particularly known for their cannibalism, so may be you would care about explaining what you meant by "predators". Violence is not synonym with "whatever you don't like". Also, some forms of political activism have caused more death than many wars in the twentieth century (think about failed revolution in Cuba, in middle east, or about nazism and stalinism) so better it be a joke than a slaughtering machine. And humans beings are violent. Erasing this violence is difficult and maybe not completely possible. The fact that we replaced wars (at leastin most developed countries) with video games is a proof of progress in term of violence-curbing. And there is still plenty pf scientific and technological innovation. Calhoun experiment has probably something to teach us, but describing our society in a way that forcibly make a bunch of mouse a good model of it is simply misleading.

[None !!BJiYgff8zf2 No.5023631]

Fuck you and your shitty theories. People have been predicting the end of mankind since fucking forever. Experimental conditions bear absolutely zero fucking relevance to real life.

People are lazy because of the welfare state. The state encourages laziness by allowing parents to support their children.

The solution is to tax everyone so hard that nobody has any choice BUT to work. Those who refuse to work will starve to death.

And thus the problem of social parasitism will be solved once and for all.

[Anonymous No.5023647]

>>5023631
>opinions

[Anonymous No.5023649]

>>5023631
Until Adam is discovered.

[Anonymous No.5023675]

Mice aren't humans.

[Anonymous No.5023710]

>>5023675
We should create the same experiment with humans then and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.5023711]

>>5022727
Smart cities have lots of recreational areas, parks, water. I live in Dresden in Germany, and Chinese students are amazed how green the city is. We have lots of nature in and around the city. Not just for aesthetics, but for keeping the citizens happy and healthy.