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If nobody observes it, can a quantum wave function collapse?

>> No.4966938

Congratulations. You have been raped by <span class="math">\fbox{The~Stealth~Rapist}[/spoiler].

>> No.4966940

>>4966938
Congratulations. You have violated Global Rule #13.

>> No.4966948

>>4966940
Congratulations. You have been raped by <span class="math">\fbox{The~Stealth~Rapist}[/spoiler].

>> No.4966965

>>4966940
In fact he has violated rules 2, 6 and 17 as well.

>> No.4966968

>>4966965
Congratulations. You have been raped by <span class="math">\fbox{The~Stealth~Rapist}[/spoiler].

This thread is thee epitome of /sci/ philosophy cancer. Stop bumping it. Consciousness is not privileged over ordinary matter. The state vector of a system collapses because of its <span class="math">(A,(-)^*)[/spoiler] structure over the complex numbers.

>> No.4966985

>>4966968
Fuck off.

>>>/b/

>> No.4966992

>>4966985
Congratulations. You have been raped by <span class="math">\fbox{The~Stealth~Rapist}[/spoiler].

/sci/ is the science and math board. Not the diary of a 16 year old who just watched a popsci clip on quantum mechanics.

Would you like to discuss the structure of <span class="math">CP(n)[/spoiler] that gives rise to the Hilbert Space formalism, or how geometric quanization works with the action functional of classical mechanics?

If not, fuck off back to >>>/lit/.

>> No.4966997

>>4966992
>/sci/ is the science and math board. Not the diary of a 16 year old who just watched a popsci clip on quantum mechanics.

Exactly. That's why I want you to leave.

>> No.4967009

>>4966997
Untestable, unprovable, drivel does not belong on /sci/. Quantum mysticism is incompatible with evolution, big bang cosmology, and rQFT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

You are the cancer that is killing /sci/.

>> No.4967013

>>4967009
Nope. I'm here for science and philosophy is an essential part of science. Maybe you should go to school before spouting edgy autistic opinions.

>> No.4967029

>>4967013
Provide a mathematically rigorous foundation of quantum mysticism that is compatible with observation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

>> No.4967034

>>4967029
Provide a mathematically rigorous foundation for mathematics.
Go look up incompletenes theorem, kid. It'll blow your autistic mind.

>> No.4967036

>>4967009
>implying incompatible = wrong
you delusional kid

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4967038

>>4967034
Incompleteness has absolutely nothing to do with empirical evidence, LMFAO.

Troll harder, Carl.

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>>4967036
>>4967034
Obvious samefag is obvious.

Sure, consider a philosophy that disregards evolution and all of modern physics, including OBSERVATION.

0/100

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4967046

>>4967038
>mathematics
>empirical evidence

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4967055

>>4967046
>doesn't know about my delayed choice quantum eraser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

Why do you think I linked to such? How fucking old are you? 12? 13?

>> No.4967064

>>4967055
Spamming a wiki link doesn't make you less pseudo-intellectual. How about acquiring some real education instead?

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>>4967064
Troll fucking harder.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1009.2404.pdf

>> No.4967129

consciousness causes collapse = anthropocentric lunacy
bohm = vomit
many-worlds = non-predictive
objective initial + final states & weak values = best interpretation

>> No.4967279

Lmao at all the butthurts who cant not discuss scientific philosophy without losing the plot.

Good. Good. Feel the butthurt flow through you. You will always be low level scientists at best. You will always wonder why there's only a few a few truely great scientists who make the truely great discoveries.

"But I am so clever and my science and maths is so good!" you will cry.

Ah yes, but you lack that one key attribute that sperates you from the great scientists.

You dont know how to inquire after truth.

Its beyond your grasp. You are really just glorified mechanics.

You dont even recognise it when you see it.

Go back to your labs and do something useful like making better ball bearings.

Leave the discovery of scientfic truth to those of us capable of having an open mind.

And dont be too butthurt. It makes you constipated. And we want you to keep making those ball bearings.