Autism

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839318]

What does /sci/ think about Autism?

Causes? Definition?

I don't know much about it, but part of me wonders if some of it is a reaction to society. For example, it is described as social ineptness but also obsessing about certain things and liking routine.

Well I wonder if the Autists are rejecting their diversity environments or something. There is a lot of research that basically says we are biologically wired to prefer our own kind, so I wonder if all this social agenda stuff being drilled into our kids heads is causing some of the autism by trying to have diversity in all white classrooms. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think there is something to this. Like I'm sort of obsessed with holocaust revisionism and race realism. Mostly because I see this massive effort to try and hide these things, or pretend they aren't true. So my interest and passion for these subjects could be seen as autistic like or something. They make me not that interested in socialising with most people since I just see most people as mindless drones trying to conform to what they think is acceptable around them, which is generally political correctness.

What are your thoughts on this? Also Autism general thread.

And I'm not saying all cases are what I describe, I just wonder if some cases of autism diagnosis are from what I describe. It seems like they aren't very sure what causes it. Some say mercury, but there is debate about that.

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839353]

bump

I'm really interested to get opinions on this. It seems to me like it is a rather vague disorder.

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839447]

nobody? I think this is an interesting topic, and I'm curious about other opinions. I know I'll just get "hrrr drrrr your an asshole poopy face" but really, what do you think about this?

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839451]

nobody? I think this is an interesting topic, and I'm curious about other opinions. I know I'll just get "hrrr drrrr you're an asshole poopy face" but really, what do you think about this?

[Anonymous No.4839472]

Listen bitch, its not a reaction to anything. They LACK brain function.

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839490]

>>4839472
You definitely can't assert that given the plethora of neuroimaging data that suggests otherwise (in high functioning autism).

As for causes, who knows? It's worth noting that having a sibling who is autistic increases an individual's risk of being autistic, so there may be a genetic cause. Risk genes have also been identified. I doubt that the presence of a single risk gene is sufficient to cause autism, though.

[Anonymous No.4839494]

if that's you fetish

[Anonymous No.4839509]

if that's your fetish....

[Anonymous No.4839523]

Bullshit

I know a bunch of quack psychologists who believe EVERYONE has some level of Autism.

[Anonymous No.4839535]

crap diagnosis that ruins expecting kids lives

[Anonymous No.4839542]

>psychology
>science

gtfo!

[Anonymous No.4839548]

>>4839490
Go ahead, cite me a paper that says high-functioning autism only represents a differing cognitive profile, instead of a lack of function. Better be good because I'm a neurology major and I'll make you look stupid.

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839554]

>>4839523
It makes sense to look at a lot of these disorders on a spectrum that everybody lies on. I may be more anxious than you, but neither of us are pathologically anxious. Therefore, we both have some level of anxiety.

No, I cannot point to a biological basis for this spectrum, but I also cannot point to a biological basis for a binary. I can also think of 'spectrum' analogies in some other diseases that aren't caused by an exogenous pathogen.

[Anonymous No.4839568]

I have very high functioning autism, I'd self identify as "half-aspie". I know a couple of people like me, one full-aspie, and i have a cousin with full blown autism. I don't really have anything to say, but if you have questions go for it.

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839570]

>>4839548
I did not say that there was an absence of difference in neural profile, and I DEFINITELY did not say that there was a difference only in cognitive profile. I was suggesting that you can't attribute it to a 'lack' of function. I guess I could go dig up some citations about over-sensitivity to sensory stimuli, but that seems irrelevant given that you misunderstood my (vague) post.

I was also unaware that they offered neurology at the undergraduate level.

[Anonymous No.4839618]

>>4839570
Listen dork, local over-connectivity in opposition to long-range connections and global coherence would just prove my point.

[Anonymous No.4839627]

>>4839548
>>4839618
>>4839472
I hear that an inability to engage in appropriate social interactions is a symptom of autism. You might want to get yourself assessed.

[Anonymous No.4839636]

A...wh...reaction to mixed-race classes? What is this, /pol/?

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839645]

>>4839618
Jargon doesn't impress me.

If by global coherence you mean that autistic neural activity is more homogenous than neurotypical neural activity for an array of sensory inputs, I would agree that autism is a lack of function. I would be hesitant call over-connectivity a "lack" of function in the same way that we'd say a temporal lobectomy patient lacks function. I'd opt to call it altered function.

Note that if by "lack of function" you ONLY mean deviation from typical function, then it's very likely that we agree.

[Anonymous No.4839663]

>>4839627
Spare me, dork.
>>4839645
Uhh, both Empathy and Theory-of-mind effectively sum over cognitive function. They are not localized aspects. When I say LACK of function I mean LACK of function not deviation.

[Anonymous No.4839672]

>>4839663
>define function as whatever neurotypical people look like
>autistics don't look neurotypical
>they lack function

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839683]

>>4839663
So you've offered me cognitive-behavioral hypotheses of autism, neither of which offer any predictions of specific neural pathology and are therefore not falsifiable. No, that neither cognition is localized to one area of the brain is not an excuse for not making biological predictions about a disease of the brain.

I thought we were talking neuroscience, not psychology. You sure you're a neurology major?

[Anonymous No.4839689]

>>4839663
>studies neurology
>knowledgeable about autism
>calling other people dork

[Anonymous No.4839697]

>>4839683
Uhh no, let me see your 'neuroimaging data' that talks about high-functioning autistics. All I responded to was your allusion to over-sensitivity, but you haven't given me something to bite my teeth into.

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839709]

>>4839636
>>4839636
From how I've heard autism described on imageboards, I wonder if it has something to do with contemporary culture. We are biologically wired to prefer those genetically similar to us, so all this diversity crap is going directly against our biology. A big part of our education now is more about tolerance.

I just wonder about this, and thought this might be a good place to ask. Obviously toddlers that show signs of autism aren't as affected by society.

Many people with autism would get a woopin and fall in line or something 100 years ago.

Just think of what the modern classroom is like "ok kids today we are going to learn that we are all the same and all races are great. now lets talk about great african civilisations for 3 months" or "ok kids today we are going to talk about how normal homosexuality is"

I just wonder if this kind of environment could be shutting the brains of young people down or something. Our education seems like its more about indoctrination than education.

[Anonymous No.4839714]

>>4839709
So wooping people who are different into line is education but teaching people to accept diversity is indoctrination?

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839718]

>>4839714
I mentioned that as a possible reason why autism seems to be more common now than several years ago.

[Anonymous No.4839726]

>>4839718
That may be but I found it odd that you called today's version indoctrination and not the version where they wooped people if they disagreed, which seems much more the definition of indoctrination.

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839732]

>>4839697
I can't believe I'm even feeding you. What do you mean by "lack function?" If you carefully define the words that you've been using, I'll refute them (unless I agree with you, which said is a possibility several times).

[Tor900 !mqraiPK1Vg No.4839734]

>>4839726
Well they are both indoctrination, it just seems like what's going on now seems even more like indoctrination. Or maybe it's just indoctrination I disagree with but the techniques are far more refined.

[encephalon !!shxfCFb4+j/ No.4839739]

>>4839732
Actually forget it - I'm not gonna provide any citations. You win.

I'm gonna go watch fire works and read about diffusion models of cortical neurons.

[Anonymous No.4839792]

>>4839709

Education back in the old days was more about indoctrination. A casual glance at a social studies textbook from then would tell you that. Hell, they're *still* like that even today, it's just less obvious.

If you've only taken discussion from an image board, you have to account for the fact that people are basically scum and/or retarded when they gain Anonymity, (and sometimes even before). You could just as accurately form an opinion of monogamous relationships from looking at bawww threads on the Random Board, or "outside" by reading a Video Game Generals Thread.

[Anonymous No.4839830]

>>4839568
Can I develop autism by myself?

[Neuro !ecJXzsccCc No.4839837]

rTMS is a curative treatment for autism.

Wait 2 years, gonna be big ;)

[Anonymous No.4841122]

20 years ago you hardly heard about autisim.

now every fucking child has it.

wtf world?

[Anonymous No.4841152]

>So my interest and passion for these subjects could be seen as autistic like or something.

Nope.

>They make me not that interested in socialising with most people

That's not autism.

>since I just see most people as mindless drones trying to conform to what they think is acceptable around them, which is generally political correctness.

You're not autistic, you're probably teenage. And most people who authentically have autism or symptoms of it don't self-diagnose based on small little nuances in behavior. I have my own theories as to what it is and why it's occurring, but that's not important right now. No sense adding more bullshit in a thread already filled to the brim.

[Anonymous No.4841296]

>>4841122
it isnt cool to have a personality these days.
having non-mainstream interests and expressing yourself non-shamefully requires a diagnosis.

[Anonymous No.4841321]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/nov/08/ucsd-autism-study-finds-abnormal-prenatal-brain-gr/

A UCSD study from last years suggests that people with autism typically have prefrontal cortices 166% the size of a normal prefrontal cortex. Presumably the body's inability to run an overlarge prefrontal cortex effectively leads to diminished functioning of that area of the brain. Coincidentally, it happens to be the part of the brain that governs most of the things autistic people suck at.

Nothing definite, but the correlation is there.

[Anonymous No.4841375]

>>4839523
They are just looking for easy billable hours

[Anonymous No.4841427]

I saw a docu with an autistic adult who could not speak properly, and he just ate all the time, and could get violent. That is a problem.

People who are just quirky aren't a problem and should just get on with their lives without having diagnosis applied to them.
People who misbehave in class need a smack upside their head.

There's WAY too many diagnosis that gets applied to people nowadays. People got too much time on their hands when they should be living their lives.

[Anonymous No.4841437]

I think it might be an adaptation to a problem which this species has and is not recognised. It's not that autists don't have theory of mind, it's that they actively sabotage it. Their brain develops this way as a result of this constant sabotage of theory of mind abilities, which of course, results in the symptoms which are considered pathological based on political decision (what we decide are typical human traits of a functional individual).

[Anonymous No.4841474]

>>4841427

Close.

You see, there's a cognitive bias in humans to only notice a problem when it becomes a problem, rather than being proactive about it. Let me tell you a short story. Ironically, I have HFA and was sitting in class next to somebody who had it much more than I did (he had an EA with him). He did nothing but memorize WWII figures, and whenever I put my feet up on my desk, (which was all the time), he pushed them down again. In my defense, we were in the very back and he seemed to care more than my teacher did.

There's no punchline. Point is, it's disingenuous to put autistic people predominately in a reference class of misbehaving children when the spectrum points towards a pattern of rule following.

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