H2O2 Rocket Propulsion?

[/SciGuy/!!!!1 No.4826641]

I stumbled upon this /sci/,(H2O2 rocket propulsion) what do you think of it? It looks like its practical and possible, on a large enough scale. I dropped a few bucks on kickstarter. What are your thoughts?
http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/vwmja/hydrogen_peroxide_rocket_sounds_cool/
Pic mostly unrelated

[Anonymous No.4826643]

Ive never heard of it but chemically it makes sense...

[Anonymous No.4826650]

im giving to this, but op is still faggot for posting reddit link

[Anonymous No.4826672]

>>4826641
op must be a smart ass

[sax No.4826694]

bump

[Nuka-Cola No.4826804]

word on the street is that nasa looked at it, did some tests, ran some numbers for production efficiency, went "meh, maybe later" and stopped.

then again they're fucking broke so who knows, maybe some private company will specialize in the stuff

[Nuka-Cola No.4826809]

>>4826804
also, hydrazine is better, higher specific impulse for less fuel mass and volume

[Anonymous No.4826834]

nuclear pulse propulsion or might as well just fucking stay home.

Also how does this even work? Is this one of those scams where their "catalyst" is actually a key part of the reaction, just like all those "hydrogen powered cars!!" are?

[Anonymous No.4826835]

>>4826809
i like listening to you guys talk about this shit. fascinating. just exquisite

[Anonymous No.4826846]

When you read it, was the phrase "nuclear propulsion" even stated, no..... its H2O2 ( pressurized) racting with catalyst to make O2...

[Anonymous No.4826855]

Been done.

From wikipedia:
Monopropellants such as hydrogen peroxide, hydrazine, and nitrous oxide are primarily used for attitude control and spacecraft station-keeping where their long-term storability, simplicity of use, and ability to provide the tiny impulses needed, outweighs their lower specific impulse as compared to bipropellants. Hydrogen peroxide is also used to drive the turbopumps on the first stage of the Soyuz launch vehicle.

[Anonymous No.4826857]

Catalyst is a metal, not part of fuel because the element that it is made of is useless in propulsion. ima give them some money on kickstarter it sound good

[Anonymous No.4826858]

well anyways, you would be fucking retarded to give these children money.
one of them isn't even white.

[/SciGuy/!!!1 No.4826862]

Im thinking we should put some money into this guys

[tsk No.4826867]

>>4826858
Exactly hes indian they get shit done

[Nuka-Cola No.4826871]

it doesn't have enough oomph for its density, it's just not as good as what we have

[Anonymous No.4826889]

>>4826871
Good to keep in mind however, that its far cheaper and on a larger scale could probably get small things into LEO

[Anonymous No.4826910]

bump

[Nuka-Cola No.4826919]

>>4826889
i guess
the space cargo haulers or this generation are spaceX and its competitors. if they like H2O2 i'll trust their judgement but it doesn't seem useful, given all its drawbacks

[Anonymous No.4826931]

>>4826889
Apparently hydrogen peroxide can give a max Isp of 161.

You are gonna have to make giant fucking rockets to lift anything to orbit with that low a specific impulse.

[Anonymous No.4826949]

not novel, just a basic amateur rocketry project. it's good that they're doing it as kids, but let's not get carried away with this. it's just a high school project and won't lead anywhere, everything they're doing is conventional rocketry.

[Anonymous No.4826970]

The amount of samefagging in this thread is painful

[Anonymous No.4827822]

Bumping for a good idea

[Anonymous No.4827844]

>>4826641
meh. It has been done. England's only orbital rocket, Black Arrow, used it. More recently, Armadillo Aerospace investigated all sorts of fuels starting with peroxide. It is attractive because it is storable and only needs a catalyst to dissociate, simplifying a lot of the plumbing. You could check their blog for reasons why they moved away from it to LOX/ethanol. Some of the reason is availability: it is hard to get large amounts of high purity peroxide.

[Anonymous No.4827881]

>>4826641

Fuck kickstarter

Fuck the retards that will overwhelm it

H2O2 in concentrations great enough for rocket propulsion is incredibly fucking dangerous. Seriously.

Picture related. Just what the fuck?

THIS THREAD IS SPAM

THIS THREAD IS WORTHY OF BEING REPORTED

OP IS A FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.4827904]

>>4826949
>it's just a high school project and won't lead anywhere
Well, it might help the kids involved in it to have a few more dollars than they had before they started the project.
That's what kickstarter is all about.

[Anonymous No.4827927]

>>4827904

No it's not.

Kickstarter Project Guidelines -
>. Funding for projects only. A project has a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it. A project is not open-ended. Starting a business, for example, does not qualify as a project.

i.e. They have to do what they set out to do with clear goals and end points.

Giving kids a random lump of money to spend on essentially nothing is not clearly defined.

Not a chance. They just want money to dick around during the summer.

[Anonymous No.4827937]

>>4827927
>They have to do what they set out to do with clear goals and end points.
No, a project can fail and then the money is lost for the investors.
Just because you set out with clear goals doesn't mean the project have to succeed.
All you need to get started on kickstarter is a good presentation. Then people choose whether or not they want to give you money. But once they've choosen to give it to you, it doesn't matter how you use it, they won't get it back.

[Anonymous No.4827949]

On the topic of Kickstarter, I don't know how it works but I'm guessing you send money to Kickstarter who hold onto it until the deadline at which point it either gets returned to the backer or forwarded to the project leaders.

Who is the trusted man in the middle to hold the cash?

How much money/interest are they earning by letting these sums sit in their account for a month or two at a time?

Interesting idea for making some money but I can't help but think it's wrong.

[Anonymous No.4827954]

>>4827949
>you send money to Kickstarter who hold onto it until the deadline at which point it either gets returned to the backer or forwarded
No. Some projects can last for years. And how are they supposed to start working without their funding?
The money you send is not a reward, it's the funding for the project.

[Anonymous No.4827959]

this is how jet pack works

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack#Hydrogen_peroxide-powered_rocket_packs

"e great disadvantage is the limited operating time. The jet of steam and oxygen can provide significant thrust from fairly lightweight rockets, but the jet has a relatively low exhaust velocity and hence a poor specific impulse. Currently, such rocket belts can only fly for about 30 seconds "

suck devices will never go into space

[Anonymous No.4829220]

bump for interest

[Anonymous No.4829227]

>>4827927
They obviously have a design, a plan, and skills to put it together. Why would you doubt that they could complete a relatively simple project/ experiment because of age? If they weren't mature enough they wouldnt be doing it anyway.

[Anonymous No.4829228]

Like a few people have noted, it would work on a larger scale

[Carl Sagan No.4829247]

>>4827949
Thats not how it works at all... You dont get interest from kickstarter. They dont even get the money in case they meet the funding goal.
You can accuse honest people of scamming on a system you know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.4829292]

Oxygen Hydrogen propulsion is working just fine.

[Carl Sagan No.4829293]

>>4829247
Cant

[Anonymous No.4829322]

>highschool project
>kickstarter
Sigh

[kill self No.4829341]

then dont support it...

[/SciGuy/!!!!1 No.4829364]

>>4827881
Am I really? Is this really spam?
Its some people who are testing out
an alternative rocket fuel source, and I thought it was cool, so I brought it here to ask about the design. That isnt spam. Get out

[Anonymous No.4829372]

>>4827844
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Arrow

And this is why H2O2 is a fucking garbage fuel

40,000 lb rocket delivering 300 pounds to orbit.

[Anonymous No.4829373]

>>4826641
bump

[Anonymous No.4829520]

>>4829372
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[Anonymous No.4832363]

Britain has used this tech, it is possible

[Anonymous No.4832376]

Kerosene + Inhibited Nitric Acid is a much better liquid fuel than H2O2

[Anonymous No.4832384]

bump

[Carl Sagan No.4832387]

>>4832376
Never heard of it, give me sauce

[Anonymous No.4832413]

>>4829292
>Pic unrelated.
Merlin runs kerosene LOX.

And there have been proposed rockets using it before, most of them attempts to make cheap pressure fed rockets.

[Anonymous No.4832422]

>>4832387
Not that guy, but it's used in most Soviet rockets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_rocket_propellants#Propellant_table

[Anonymous No.4833620]

bump for science

[Anonymous No.4834409]

>>4826641
It has a low specific impulse but it can work