/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4825329]

Why was Africa so underdeveloped before European colonisers arrived?

Why did Africans not invent ships and sail to Europe to colonise them?

If populations of humans were able to evolve different skin colours, why is it so hard to believe that they could have evolved differently in other areas, like intelligence?

>inb4 white liberals call me racist

[Anonymous No.4825336]

I really don't know. Maybe it's because they didn't need high intelligence to survive; Central-Southern Africa doesn't really have many harsh natural features.

[Anonymous No.4825343]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.4825348]

>>4825343
Yes, that where i'm from.

I'm posting on this board because i would like some /sci/entists to give their opinion.

[Anonymous No.4825359]

>>4825348
>troll pic
>pick fight with "white liberals" in OP

You're obviously not interested in a scientific discussion. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4825360]

legitimate question

has africa ever developed their own sailing ships?
(canoes and rafts don't count)

also, did they ever discover gunpowder?

[Anonymous No.4825368]

Assuming you aren't a troll you should take a world history course, or at least learn a bit more about the history of Africa and European global hegemony. Because in reality, Africa wasn't really underdeveloped and the Industrial Revolution and the imperialism that resulted fucked everybody up, but especially Africa.

[Anonymous No.4825363]

Because naturally, compared to Africa, europe is a shithole.
Europeans actually had to think to survive, and therefore their technology advanced faster. All africans had to do was sit on their ass and lounge in the sun.

[Anonymous No.4825364]

>>4825360
Yes. No. Now please leave.

[Anonymous No.4825365]

Could it be that generally Africans are less intelligent than Europeans, but because of the liberal society we live in these views are extremely politically incorrect, and therefore any research into this subject is denounced as racist?

[Anonymous No.4825369]

>>4825329
>Why was Africa so underdeveloped before European colonisers arrived?

They felt they deserved a break in progress after building the pyramids.

>Why did Africans not invent ships and sail to Europe to colonise them?

No pressure to do so, also, they certainly wouldn't do this in their post-pyramidal vacation, colonization is work.

>If populations of humans were able to evolve different skin colours, why is it so hard to believe that they could have evolved differently in other areas, like intelligence?

There can certainly be a genetic component to intelligence, but it's also about environment and culture. For a genetic trait to be selected for in a culture you need for starters, a environment that favours its selection. Which is likely why any such gene is long gone from the white trash community you were born from and why you favour race debates on the internet over something productive, because as long as you can claim "them niggers" to be inferior to the white man, you'll never have to come to terms with our own intellectual shortcomings.

>inb4 white liberals call me racist
Enjoy your black neighbours that your "super intelligent" ancestors imported without realizing they'll outbreed you in a hundred generations.

[Anonymous No.4825372]

>>4825364
Shame are your jimmies rustled?

[poorengineer No.4825384]

>>4825372
take that fucking shit back to /b/

[Anonymous No.4825381]

This diagram forgot "Lip injections".

[Anonymous No.4825390]

Does anyone have the version about swedes and their "rich viking heritage"?

[Anonymous No.4825391]

Ancient Egypt, Kush and Aethiopia were here. Fuck your shit OP.

[Anonymous No.4825392]

they're still all fucking starving.

[Anonymous No.4825402]

crap! i thought i clicked /g/. do you change your
oil in the library in real life too?
great minds talk about ideas.
average minds talk about things.
small minds talk about other people.

[Anonymous No.4825407]

>mfw everybody in here is even stupider than op somehow

keep packing that knowledge /sci/

[Anonymous No.4825414]

africans include north africans? Then they did colonize Europe, they did build ships etc.
Black africa had empires and shit.
It's just that if you live in a forest, it's more efficient to just hunt animals when you're hungry than to being farming.

[Anonymous No.4825419]

>>4825368
>blaming imperialism

lolwat. Imperialism made Zimbabwe the most productive agricultural country in the world. And who was it that turned that around? I'm not about to condone racism, but Imperial apologisers like you really piss me off. Funny how the Americas, Australasia, Hong Kong, the Middle East and even fucking India did pretty well in spite of Imperialism. According to people like you they should be failed nations, suffering famines every few years and dependent on foreign aid.

[Anonymous No.4825423]

OP, its pretty simple. Blacks have lower intelligence. If you don't know that by now you are either retarded or black. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4825431]

>>4825419

The Berlin Conference resulted in almost the entirety of Africa being colonized, and the borders that Europeans used were made without taking into consideration the distribution of tribes/etc (so tribes would be split, rivaling tribes would be brought together, etc) and after the Europeans left this royally fucked a lot of those countries (i.e Rwanda).

[Anonymous No.4825436]

>>4825360
Chinese discovered gunpowder. Europe got it from them.

[Anonymous No.4825440]

Go read 'Guns, Germs and Steel' by Jared Diamond, he gives a pretty thorough explanation of why and how advanced societies developed where they did, it has a lot more to do with Eurasia's geography (is on an east-west axis, rather than the north-south of africa and america) the climate in the fertile crescent (mild, wet winters and long dry summers lend themselves to seeds that survive in storage, and therefore suitable for use in agriculture) than it does with skin colour (which is a much less complex trait than intelligence).

[Anonymous No.4825443]

Watch Guns, Germs, and Steel.

[Anonymous No.4825445]

>>4825431
Then why don't they reshape their political boundaries so that they fit the tribal distributions? No, instead they play at Babby's First Elections in which one tribal leader gets voted in and then massacres everybody because hey, that's what elections are all about right? And the electoral monitors play along with this charade, knowing exactly what is going to happen to the people in the other tribes. It's sickening.

[Anonymous No.4825450]

>>4825445
like the Versailles conference and the hitler's expansionism and the second world war that followed.

except with white people.

[Anonymous No.4825448]

It's my belief that the higher levels of hormones in black people alters their judgement, causing them to be more prone to violence and impulsive behaviour which often leads to "chimp outs." While the brain of a white person is equivalent to that of a black persons brain in terms of functionality, the hormones in black people hinders their ability to show creative and abstract thinking and focuses more on primal needs. I think black people in general are more concerned about being the alpha male which leads to constant fighting amongst themselves and prevents them from being able to build a functioning society.

pic related: black males have 15-20% higher levels of testosterone in their systems compared to whites.

[Anonymous No.4825451]

>>4825445
>Then why don't they reshape their political boundaries so that they fit the tribal distributions?
Imagine if the government said you and your family had to live in Detroit. You have no say in the matter. It's kind of like that.

[Anonymous No.4825452]

>>4825445
>Then why don't they reshape their political boundaries so that they fit the tribal distributions?
Sure, that's easy... it's pretty much what they've been doing since Europeans left. You know how nations usually do that? War and ethnic cleansing.
It's not like politicians can listen to each other an come up with the most sensible solution.

[Anonymous No.4825458]

>>4825329
>Why was Africa so underdeveloped before European colonisers arrived?

Carthage, Egypt -- what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4825463]

ITT: OP is Italian and still mad that Hannibal raped his shit.

[Anonymous No.4825465]

>>4825458
>Carthage
Burnt to the ground by the Romans.
>Egypt
Enslaved, first by the Greeks and then by the Romans.

Europe: 2
Africa: 0

[Anonymous No.4825470]

Much of Africa is an inhospitable continent relative to other areas where civilization fluorished like the Fertile Crescent, Mediterranean, Europe, China, Mesoamerica etc. Africa also lacks useful indigenous crops and animals. It is only now that Africa has begun farming extensively with the cultivars humanity has compiled over thousands of years.

The North Africans were renowned sailors and the Barbary pirates plagued much of Europe. The Swahili Empire was based heavily on trading as it was situated on the eastern coasts accessible to the Middle East and India.

Pure African genetics still produces intelligent people. Just look at Nigerian immigrant education statistics and all the smart black individuals in America. Environment and culture also has a major effect on how an individual maximizes their intellectual potential. Whites and Asians have had a comparatively longer time to develop a knowledgeable culture and infrastructure for creating intelligence people.

[Anonymous No.4825471]

>>4825465
>spain
>byzantium
>balkans
>greece

[Anonymous No.4825476]

>>4825458

Egypt has the Nile and is all fertile and shit which according to someone else's hypothesis is the birthplace of intelligence

[Anonymous No.4825510]

>>4825476
they had pretty cool tech too 3000 yrs ago

civs wax and wane

[Anonymous No.4825515]

>africa pillaged, looted, warring, and enslaved for thousands of years.
>WHY DUNT AFRICUNS HAVE CIVILIZATION

[Anonymous No.4825521]

>>4825515
It has nothing to do with that, and more with what >>4825440 said. If anything, it only explains in part why Africa is so fucked up today, not it's past.

[Anonymous No.4825522]

Does anyone read Adam Smith anymore?

[Anonymous No.4825524]

What is "Egypt" OP. Clearly your world view is very narrow.

[Anonymous No.4825525]

Why are there so many racists coming to /sci/ recently? Do they just want us to agree with them so they can run back to /pol/ and tell all the liberals, "Ha, I've got the smart people on my side?"

[Anonymous No.4825527]

>>4825525
Basically yeah. /pol/ is anti-science

[Anonymous No.4825529]

>>4825369

Africans != Arabics

Despite what your African Americans studies professor told you. The Garden of Eden did not exist, it wasn't in Africa, and Africans are not the parent race of humanity

[Anonymous No.4825684]

Why do bigoted idiots always generalize too much?
Why do bigoted idiots always use bogus data?
Why do bigoted idiots always lie?

Answer: because they are bigoted idiots.

Skin color doesn't matter as much as you think.

[Anonymous No.4825706]

>>4825684
OP was just asking questions. Why are you so defensive?

[Anonymous No.4825714]

>>4825470

Best answer I've seen here.

Came here from this thread in /pol/... just if you want to know.

>>>/pol/3950225

[Anonymous No.4825716]

I'm on Reddit YAY!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.4825720]

>>4825470
>Much of Africa is an inhospitable continent
biggest load of shit on here

[Anonymous No.4825722]

>mfw you brilliant /sci/tards are being trolled by a braindead summer stormfag from /pol/.
>mfw your jimmies are ruslted.

[Anonymous No.4825726]

>>4825720
this

one poignant example: Rhodesia was turned into the bread basket of Africa by the English and South Africans. It was a barren shithole before that time, and it is a barren shithole now.

[Anonymous No.4825732]

>>4825722
>>4825714
>lel look i came from /pol/ haha let me link it!!!

You're like those kids in youtube comments "i came from le /b/!!!"

[Anonymous No.4825731]

>>4825722

So far the majority of responses have been.

>You're racist
>Pyramids!

Granted, there have been a few good responses, but this is hardly the haven of scientific discourse I had expected.

[Anonymous No.4825735]

>>4825722
I'm not a troll. All i did was ask questions which many scitards couldn't answer since they are too politically incorrect for their public school mindset.

[Anonymous No.4825737]

>>4825735
History isn't a hard science. Don't expect good answers from /sci/.

[Anonymous No.4825738]

>>4825732
>thumbs up if tosh.o sent you!

[Anonymous No.4825739]

Representin' /pol/

lol @ scifags being butthurt.

Autistic faggots can't handle questions that conflict with their media implemented ideology.

Keep fapping over test tubes, niggers.

[Anonymous No.4825740]

>>4825731
because it's 4chan. 4chan is loaded with basement dwelling aspies who think the prodigious amounts of time they waste on here are somehow contributing to a broader discourse. This is true on /lit/, but especially on /sci/ and, to a lesser extent, /pol/. Get over yourselves, niggers -- OP included.

[Anonymous No.4825746]

>>4825525

>/sci/
>smart

[Anonymous No.4825748]

>>4825739
Get the fuck out

[Anonymous No.4825750]

>>4825746
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.4825758]

[Anonymous No.4825755]

[Anonymous No.4825763]

>>4825755
>>4825758
America today...

[Anonymous No.4825767]

>>4825755
LOL this is so fucking true.

[Anonymous No.4825772]

>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.4825771]

[Anonymous No.4825781]

[Anonymous No.4825785]

>>4825369
>They felt they deserved a break in progress after building the pyramids.
But Egypt was a Mediterranean civilization, not a negroid one.


>No pressure to do so, also, they certainly wouldn't do this in their post-pyramidal vacation, colonization is work.
But North Africans actually did build ships. They used them to become pirates. They even ransacked whole coastal villages in England to sell their white bounty into slavery.

>There can certainly be a genetic component to intelligence, but it's also about environment and culture.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110811215420.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090317142841.htm

>For a genetic trait to be selected for in a culture you need for starters, a environment that favours its selection. Which is likely why any such gene is long gone from the white trash community you were born from and why you favour race debates on the internet over something productive, because as long as you can claim "them niggers" to be inferior to the white man, you'll never have to come to terms with our own intellectual shortcomings.
Why are you mad though?

>Enjoy your black neighbours that your "super intelligent" ancestors imported without realizing they'll outbreed you in a hundred generations.

The black population in America is actually surprisingly stable, thanks to abortion, I suppose. It's the countless Mexicans that are flooding in who present a real demographic threat.

[Anonymous No.4825790]

>>4825785
>thanks to abortion, I suppose
More like drugs and guns.

[Anonymous No.4825792]

[Anonymous No.4825791]

>>4825763

Detroit/Atlanta/New Orleans today.

[Anonymous No.4825797]

> IQ by country

[Anonymous No.4825794]

>>4825791
Aha! Stupid white guys. Not evolved enough to build your own mud hut?

[Anonymous No.4825798]

[Anonymous No.4825800]

>/pol/

[Anonymous No.4825805]

[Anonymous No.4825809]

>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.4825806]

>>4825797
Is this going to turn to an IQ thread?
That would probably be an improvement.

[Anonymous No.4825808]

>>4825794

Raise your voice nigger! I can't hear you all the way up here!

[Anonymous No.4825813]

>>4825805
So, why don't you bow in front of your Asian overlords white-face?

[Anonymous No.4825818]

>>4825813

[Anonymous No.4825823]

>>4825813
they're too awkward and passive-aggressive

[Anonymous No.4825828]

>>4825813
The asians do have a slightly higher IQ than whites, but IQ in itself isn't EVERYTHING. The cultural and scientific achievments of the white man speaks for itself.

[Anonymous No.4825830]

why does this even matter? >>>/pol/

that being said any rational supremacist should be bending over for the jews, this ofcourse is not the case (or so they like to think)

[Anonymous No.4825837]

>>4825828
>the white man
Nonono... MOST white men are retarded.
The achievements of a few individuals don't speak for the whole population.

[Anonymous No.4825848]

>>4825828
>hurr durr lets ignore every asian cultural and scientific achievement because we are too lazy to look it up in the first place
>hurr durr lets ignore the origin of white culture
>hur durr lets ignore every bit of history that we dont like

[Anonymous No.4825844]

>>4825830
> why does biodiversity in humans even matter

CAPTCHA: cesdem philistine

[Anonymous No.4825845]

the fact that some civilizations fared differently is propotionally linked to the hardships produced by climate and dramatically alterning seasons that produced social/technical/economical stimulus. simply put of course.

[Anonymous No.4825846]

[Anonymous No.4825851]

>>4825845
Holy fuck what a brainwashed leftist.

[Anonymous No.4825849]

>>4825837

White civilization and society then.

White dominated countries are the most affluent and with the highest standards of living.

Every black dominated nation on the planet is a shithole. Even the ones that never experienced colonialism.

If society is taken as an aggregate of all the members of that society, sure this hints that whites are simply better?

[Anonymous No.4825857]

>>4825845

sorry for my last post badly written, but the idea is here

[Anonymous No.4825854]

>>4825848
Are you denying that the cultural and scientific achievments of the white man far surpasses that of the east asian?

I never denied that East Asians have contributed to the sum of human knowledge and that their culture is great. Why are you so defensive?

[Anonymous No.4825855]

>>4825828
OK YOU'RE RIGHT.
MOST BLACK PERSON ARE RETARDED.
YOUR RACIAL AWARENESS IS JUSTIFIED.

now PLEASE get off my /sci/ >>>/pol/

[Niggers No.4825865]

Here we use DNA sequence data gathered from 61 noncoding autosomal regions in a sample of three sub-Saharan African populations (Mandenka, Biaka, and San) to test models of African archaic admixture. We use two complementary approximate-likelihood approaches and a model of human evolution that involves recent population structure, with and without gene flow from an archaic population. Extensive simulation results reject the null model of no admixture and allow us to infer that contemporary African populations contain a small proportion of genetic material (≈2%) that introgressed ≈35 kya from an archaic population that split from the ancestors of anatomically modern humans ≈700 kya.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/08/29/1109300108.abstract

[Anonymous No.4825860]

>>4825855

Asperger's Syndrome

[Anonymous No.4825870]

>same old dumbass cancer
>mods wont do anything about it, like always

[Anonymous No.4825867]

Yo, step. The. Fuck. Up.
I'm not an anthropologist, though i wished to be (too poor and i crack under pressure) but i've learnt what i can and that's more that the average person.
Ok so:
>Why was Africa so underdeveloped before European colonisers arrived?
It wasn't, Egypt and the Horn of Africa were verymuch advanced and lets not forget about Morroco or any other arab north Africa nations.

>Why did Africans not invent ships and sail to Europe to colonise them?
I-do-indeedquestion-he_serious-of this-fine African-Americangentelman.jpg
Morrocans and Moores FUCK, SPAINS SHIT UP, nigga. Then the Cretians man, dem der islands around Crete and Crete were invaded by peoples who came from what is now Libya.

But, lemme tell you this. These weren't NEGROES they were CAUCASOID-HAMITES and SEMITES.
The Cushitic peoples, the Nubians, Horn of Africa Africans and their descendants fucked centrel north Africa up, they invaded bitches and everysingle African civilisation of merit was Hamite of descendant of Hamites.

[Anonymous No.4825881]

http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/getfile.php?file=Race.pdf
>Abstract It is nowadays a dominant opinion in a number of disciplines (anthropology,
genetics, psychology, philosophy of science) that the taxonomy of human
races does not make much biological sense. My aim is to challenge the arguments
that are usually thought to invalidate the biological concept of race. I will try to
show that the way ‘‘race’’ was defined by biologists several decades ago (by
Dobzhansky and others) is in no way discredited by conceptual criticisms that are
now fashionable and widely regarded as cogent. These criticisms often arbitrarily
burden the biological category of race with some implausible connotations, which
then opens the path for a quick eliminative move. However, when properly
understood, the biological notion of race proves remarkably resistant to these
deconstructive attempts. Moreover, by analyzing statements of some leading contemporary
scholars who support social constructivism about race, I hope to demonstrate
that their eliminativist views are actually in conflict with what the best
contemporary science tells us about human genetic variation.

[Anonymous No.4825885]

>>4825870
>go through /sci/ for the 2nd time
>"feet thread", "piss thread", "god not real lol xd cuz christianityz wrong","religion thread" ..etc
This has stuff to do with science nigga

[Anonymous No.4825889]

>>4825870
Why should they? Just because it goes against your public school education?

[Anonymous No.4825890]

>people keep using North Africa as example when it is obvious OP is referred to Sub-Saharan Africa
>Implying North Africans was not civilized by Ancient Egypt, Phonecians, Carthage and the Roman Empire (all European)
>Sub-Saharan Africans have existed on the planet for 200,000 years and never even invented the wheel

[Anonymous No.4825898]

>>4825870

>BAN EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH WHAT I THINK

Scientific method

[Anonymous No.4825901]

>>4825867
we're actually talking about black africa
the horn was arabized, and even then it was NEVER very advanced

[Anonymous No.4825902]

Wow, people on /sci/ know fuck all about anthropology
Hamites, you're forgeting fucking hamites.
>Muh hamites.

[Anonymous No.4825908]

>>4825901
>arabized
No, stfu it wasn't
Hamites were there first, Arabs (semites) are their own subrace while Hamites are their own so they're seperete and not just mixes.
fucking hamites man they're in somalia man.
Thread over man
Thread over.

[Anonymous No.4825906]

>>4825902
explain

[Anonymous No.4825912]

>>4825906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamites

[Anonymous No.4825913]

>>4825912
what about them?

[Anonymous No.4825918]

>>4825906
Hamites are Horn of Africa Africans, a sub race to the Caucasoid race.
Every single niggering civlization in Africa of merit was made by Hamites or half caste hamites.
Hamites are the Jews that weren't caught by the Egyptians and stayed in Somalia and Ethiopia.
Semites too, Egyptians were semites.
And they have Neanderthal blood in them.

[Anonymous No.4825924]

>>4825918

Don't confuse the 16 year old.

Millennials are too far indoctrinated to understand anything regarding human races.

[Anonymous No.4825925]

>>4825913
>>4825912
Yeah, in the anthropological sense i was talking about it's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamitic

[Anonymous No.4825926]

>>4825918
so what about them?

[Anonymous No.4825929]

>>4825926
What? That didn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.4825930]

>>4825926
>

In the 19th century, as an application of scientific racism, the "Hamitic race" became a sub-group of the Caucasian race, alongside the Semitic race, grouping the non-Semitic populations native to North Africa, the Horn of Africa and South Arabia, including the Ancient Egyptians. The Hamitic theory suggested that this "Hamite race" was superior to or more advanced than Negroid populations of Sub-Saharan Africa.

[Anonymous No.4825931]

>>4825918
>adhering to a fantastic theory from the 19th century

[Anonymous No.4825935]

>>4825329

[Anonymous No.4825938]

ACsshshhhuuuaaalllllyyy
According to the AAA this still holds true.
Until the 7-12 race theory is proven.

[Anonymous No.4825939]

>>4825930
you do know that's on the same level as Atlantean theories right?

[Anonymous No.4825945]

>>4825890

And conveniently, everybody simply ignores this...

>Does /sci/ simply not want to answer politically incorrect questions?

[Anonymous No.4825942]

>>4825930
>>4825918
you guys watch way too much history channel

[Anonymous No.4825946]

>>4825929
what's the relevance here?

[Anonymous No.4825952]

>>4825946
Oh, sorry.
Well what i was trying to say is that Africans aren't inferior negroes are, since every single African civlization (beside tribal and primitive civilizations) have been Hamite, Semite or Berber.

[Anonymous No.4825957]

>>4825890
Its hot as shit and food literally grows on trees all over the fucking place. Why the hell would i bite the apple and lose my life of chillaxing by the river all day every day? Also im naked all the time and muh dick is huge and bitchs flock to it.

[Anonymous No.4825962]

>>4825952
there's really only two african civilizations of importance, both of which were mediterranean, not black

[Anonymous No.4825968]

>Be born in a place where agriculture is mostly impossible and hunter-gatherer lifestyle is totally viable to great extents
>No need for technological advancements beyond the spear
>Act fucking surprised when this environment that prefers brawn over brains results in people with lower IQs.

Now, in practice, Africa's IQ would naturally rise. But Western 'Diversity' programs halt this, by letting the smart Africans get the fuck out of Africa and emigrate to Europe/North America. So this just leaves a cycle of idiots staying and the smart ones leaving, so it can't possibly improve.

[Anonymous No.4825965]

>Why was Africa so underdeveloped before European colonizers arrived?
They were developed, just not as much as Europeans. Mayas, Incas and Aztecs were less developed than Conquistadores and now the only remains of these peoples are small primitive Amazonian tribes. Would you say that the builders of Machu Picchu have a low intelligence?
There is no real reason for being less developed than another people. Why were the Celts and the Gauls less developed than the Romans? Call it bad timing/bad environment if you want.

>Why did Africans not invent ships and sail to Europe to colonize them?
They probably didn't even know that Europe existed, just like Europeans didn't know that America existed. They did have fishing boats, but no caravels.

>why is it so hard to believe that they could have evolved differently in other areas, like intelligence?
It is not. And there is some data that could lead to think that black people have a slightly lower intelligence than other people. So what?

[Anonymous No.4825969]

>>4825965
>Mayas, Incas and Aztecs
they may have been less developed than the conquistadores, but they were lightyears ahead of subsaharan Africa

[Anonymous No.4825973]

>>4825968
>a place where agriculture is mostly impossible
i KNOW you ain't talking about Africa chump

[Anonymous No.4825974]

>>4825945
Everybody ignores it because it is still irrelevant.As he and you would know if you did your research.

But you both conveniently ignore it.

The reason I personally ignore it is that I've presented material that says otherwise time and time again and it's always ignored or disputed as a hoax and I'm tired of dealing with willfully ignorant assholes all the time.

If this discussion had been in person, I'd have punched both of you in the face for bringing that shit up again after it has been debunked twice in this very discussion alone.

[Anonymous No.4825978]

>>4825973
Why would anyone develop agriculture if they don't need it?
Agriculture enslaves you. When you can live off the land, you're free.

[Anonymous No.4825980]

>>4825957

Ok. So far people have said Europeans and Asians needed to develop civilization in order to combat their harsher climates.

Civilization thus freed them from their climate and hence gave them the liberty to develop higher faculties.

Surely if you had ample food and good climate already, you could have skipped ahead several steps. You would have had plenty more free time in order to ponder, philosophize, develop fine artwork, develop a system of writing etc.

None of this arose in sub-Saharan Africa.

[Anonymous No.4825977]

>>4825945
That's because it is plain wrong.
Black people had kingdoms, empires and cities before colonization.

[Anonymous No.4825984]

[Anonymous No.4825983]

>>4825965
So you admit that the conditions in Africa has lead to negroes being less intelligent than the other races?

[Anonymous No.4825988]

[Anonymous No.4825986]

>>4825974
Would you kindly link to the post where you presented this "material"?

[Anonymous No.4825987]

>>4825978
>the land is not suited for agriculture
yes it is, see Rhodesia
>why engage in agriculture when you can live off the land
because that's what progress is all about, improvement not stagnation

[Anonymous No.4825991]

>>4825448
I think that's an interesting theory.

Are we going to start giving blacks hormone treatment for science?

We should also check hormone levels in blacks like Morgan Freemon, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and some black englishmen to see if there's a difference.

[Anonymous No.4825992]

>>4825988
How is this thread in violation of the board rules?

[Anonymous No.4825997]

>>4825992
read the fucking rules before posting here.

if you don't know, read them again

[Anonymous No.4825995]

[Anonymous No.4825996]

>>4825987
It's less about agriculture being difficult and more about the incredible ease of the hunter gatherer lifestyle in Africa.

[Anonymous No.4826000]

>>4825997

Jimmies are rustled.

[Anonymous No.4825998]

>>4825992
Because das racist and it's making people uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.4826002]

>>4825997
/sci/ - Science & Math
All science and math related topics welcome.
Homework threads will be deleted, and the poster banned.
No "religion vs. science" threads.

As opposed to the "feet" and "masturbation" threads on here, this thread is actually about science.

[Anonymous No.4826005]

>>4826002
global rules you stinking redneck cracker trailer-trash nigger kike wop spic jewboy

try again.

[Anonymous No.4826006]

>>4825986
No, because I'm not interested in doing so anymore.
This thread is like about 90% of all the threads in /n/ews and /new/ when they were at their shittiest.

There's a fucking mountain of evidence debunking almost all the racists' most dear sentiments, but they go deaf, and blind "LOLOLOLOL WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE LOLOLOLOLOL".

After seeing it for several years I came to the conclusion that shitheads who do that aren't interested in facts unless they are twisted to support their own prejudices.

And as such, the topic is not worthy of discussion except on circle-jerk boards like what /n/ews and /new/ became.

[Anonymous No.4826008]

[Anonymous No.4826013]

[Anonymous No.4826009]

>>4826006
That's because you never fucking posted said "material"

> recommended reading:
http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/getfile.php?file=Race.pdf

[Anonymous No.4826010]

>>4825977
Pro tip Egypt doesn't count. Ancient Egyptians had European dna in them

[Anonymous No.4826012]

>>4826002
Science? Well, It's more about technology, specifically technological disparities between different cultures. However your approach is at least somewhat academic, so this is indeed the board to post such a thread, as opposed to /g/ which is focused on the immediate practical application of the latest technology and the forces driving technological markets today. In conclusion idgaf

[Anonymous No.4826014]

So the only reason >>>/pol/ made this thread was to troll?

Overgrown racist man children grow up to troll? Really? That's what brings you joy? Didn't you go past that after you left >>>/b/?

That's of course assuming you don't go there anymore, which you shouldn't if you're over the age of 15.

[Anonymous No.4826015]

>>4825755
Wait, how does that dam work? If it is airtight, the inhabitants are gonna suffocate. If it is not airtight, the water from the left should flood the interior.

[Anonymous No.4826021]

>>4826014
Why are you so upset about someone posting a thread about racial differences?

[Anonymous No.4826025]

>>4826006
>>4826014

In 200,000 years, Africans did not invent the wheel.

This is a statement of fact.

Does this make you angry because reality doesn't follow what High School Musical and your teacher told you? Are you getting mad because you can't handle views that do not conform with your ideology?

Calm down bro, embrace the truth.

[Anonymous No.4826028]

>>4826015

Beavers bro, they know.

[Anonymous No.4826031]

>>4826015
>>4826028
Beavers are the direct descendants of the species that created Humans

You can trust me, because I have a show on History Channel.

[Anonymous No.4826030]

>including Egyptian and North African Berber civilizations as part of black African success

[Anonymous No.4826042]

http://www.niggermania.com/tom/funniggerfacts/index.htm

[BlackAmerican !sj3bsk567c No.4826046]

>Sub saharan Africans could smelt iron
>Sub saharan africans developed trade
>Most of you couldnt do tese things 300 years ago or even now
>You arent superior just because someone gave you a book teaching you things that others figured out
/pol/ representin

[Anonymous No.4826044]

>>4826006
What mountain of evidence retard? Are IQ tests suddenly tools of the racist hetero patriarchy? Even if we look at at it from an environmental perspective, Africa's environment didn't need a high IQ to survive because of how simple living there was. So, because of that Negroids as a whole are stupider than the white race. Not racist. Just the truth. So let's continue. Since IQ is the highest predictor of success in our world that means the majority of blacks aren't going to be very successful at all.

[Anonymous No.4826050]

>>4826046
/pol/ can't even build a computer or an airplane or an x-ray machine. Fuckers haven't even invented the wheel over there.

[Anonymous No.4826054]

[Anonymous No.4826052]

Dear lord, does anyone here know how to ignore a troll?

[Anonymous No.4826057]

[Anonymous No.4826060]

Try doing math in 30+ degree Celsius conditions. (then again, baghdad was at one time the information jewel of the world and they have shitty weather too, maybe it was different in the year 800)

[Anonymous No.4826061]

>>4826052

Don't bring the lord into this, it really isn't the place.

[Anonymous No.4826062]

>>4826046

lol yea, why not tell us niggers invented the helicopter and built the pyramid while you're at it?

[Anonymous No.4826071]

>>4826062
What? Black africans did in fact have Iron since 500 BCE. Mansa Abubakari sailed to Brazil before being sucked into a whirlpool. Why are you pissy?

[Anonymous No.4826072]

>>4826062
>LOL NIGGERS LOL
Can you smelt iron? yes or no? They could. And they figured it out without google or a written language to pass along knowledge.
>implying i said anyone invented anything

[Anonymous No.4826074]

>>4826072
Well, there was Bamum script, and Nsibidi script.

[Anonymous No.4826087]

>>4826072

Wow, they could smelt iron! And what do they have to show for it exactly?

Nigger detected

[Anonymous No.4826091]

>>4826062
>>4826062

I've been to /pol/ and apparently the only people you consider "white" are the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes.

No one is taking you seriously ITT. Just leave already.

[Anonymous No.4826099]

>>4825792
Wait a fucking second.
>The neanderthals was superior to the homo sapiens in almost every aspect

No. No they were not.

[Anonymous No.4826097]

>>4826072
>>4826072
>>4826072
>>4826072

NIGGER DETECTED

[Anonymous No.4826106]

>>4826087
Well, can you smelt Iron objects with no help? There were many states across pre colonial africa. And the Malinese helped kickstart the renaissance. Timbuktu was one of the greatest learning centers on earth before invasions by arabs.

[Niggers No.4826104]

>>4826046

>Sub saharan Africans could smelt iron

Ancient Near East (1300 BC – 600 BC)

India (1200 BC – 200 BC)

Europe (1200 BC – 400 AD)

China (600 BC – 200 AD)

Nigeria (400 BC – 200 AD)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

Congratulations, niggers. You managed to smelt iron 700 years after us. And you completely skipped the Bronze Age and went directly from the Stone Age into the Iron Age.

[Niggers No.4826111]

>>4826106

>Timbuktu
>Before the Arabs

[Anonymous No.4826121]

>>4826104
Are you mentally retarded? In Tanzania carbon steel was already in use 2,000 years ago. And at tichitt walata, iron was being used before 1200 BCE. Read a damn book sometime.

[Anonymous No.4826128]

>>4826111
Seriously, pick up a book. You'll learn things. History is a beautiful topic.

[Anonymous No.4826129]

>>4826087
Its a difficult thing to do. Something that requires intelligence. It could be considered one of the hallmarks of civilization. But you dont care because NIGGERS
>>4826104
Could you smelt iron today though? Not 2000 years ago but today. No you couldnt. All the knowledge that you have you read from a book. You never had to figure anything out. You never made any groundbreaking discovery. But somehow you are superior. If being a namelless faceless person in the endless list of people that have walked this earth somehow gets better just because youre white then you have no perspective.

[Anonymous No.4826149]

>>4826121

"Tichitt Walata is the oldest surviving archaeological settlements in West Africa and the oldest all stone base settlement south of the Sahara. It was built by the Soninke people and is thought to be the precursor of the Ghana empire. It was being settled around 2000 BC. One finds well laid out streets and fortified compounds all made out of skilled stone masonry. In all, there were 500 settlements."

"The sandstone escarpment of the Dhar Tichitt in South-Central Mauritania was inhabited by Neolithic agropastoral communities for approximately one and half millennium during the Late Holocene, from ca. 4000 to 2300 BP."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Africa#Tichitt_Walata_.28Ancient_Ghana.29

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=003635

Congratulations niggers, but stone buildings are way older than 2,000 B.C. Btw, 2,000 years old carbon steel = 0 B.C.

Dumb niggers.

[Anonymous No.4826147]

>>4826121
Source?

[Anonymous No.4826157]

>>4825329
Africa was relatively prosperous prior to European influence, if you had bothered to read a book ever. And the Berlin Conference certainly didn't help.

[Anonymous No.4826161]

>egypt
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[Anonymous No.4826167]

>>4826149
>>4826149

Okay now you're trolling. Just stop and go away.

[Anonymous No.4826166]

the egyptians were black until the sea people and then later arabs came and ruined everything

first europe, then the americas, then asia, and finally it will be africa's turn

when africa industrializes (its in the infant stages) they will shake the world so beware racists

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[Anonymous No.4826168]

>>4826147
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/articles/african_iron/african_iron.html

http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/kap_5/advanced/t5_1_4.html

Encyclopedia of African History
The Cambridge History of Africa
Encyclopedia Of African History And Culture
General History of Africa (Book)

[Anonymous No.4826172]

>mfw reading this thread

[Anonymous No.4826175]

I'm surprised no one posted this yet.

[Anonymous No.4826178]

>>4826149
Oh, but I thought they all lived in mud huts, were hunter gatherers, and had no knowledge of metallurgy?

[Niggers No.4826184]

>>4826178

Okay, you are grasping on a straw-man now.

[Anonymous No.4826181]

>>4826157
>relatively prosperous
>running around with a spear in hand and a shoestring up your asscrack

sure thing...

[Anonymous No.4826186]

[Anonymous No.4826191]

>>4826178

Yeah, we made all that shit up.

[Anonymous No.4826189]

>>4826181
Spears are very effective weapons, although not the only ones africans wielded, and loincloths were typically worn considering that it was hot as BALLS. However, full robes, shirts, and pants were worn in many places also.

[Anonymous No.4826193]

>>4826184
It's ok. There is no shame in backpeddaling.

[Anonymous No.4826201]

>>4826191
I'm sorry, did you just prove me wrong? Oh, right no. btw Europe 1,700 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4826202]

>>4826168
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/articles/african_iron/african_iron.html
>There are a few earlier dates (second millennium BC) but these are regarded sceptically at the moment.
>sceptically

http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/kap_5/advanced/t5_1_4.html
>some 2000 years ago (long before everybody else did)

2000 years ago is 0 BC!

[Anonymous No.4826198]

>>4825828
>>4825792
Better in every way?
They had bigger brains, but also stockier bodies, which normally accounts for larger brain(example. whales). The homo-sapiens were know for their better weapons, and aggressive expansion.

[Anonymous No.4826206]

>>4826189

Spears don't seem to be very effective when compared to rifles though, wouldn't you agree?

[Anonymous No.4826209]

>>4826202
Oh, sorry, Who else had Steel 2,000 years ago. And I like how you ignored all my other sources. Books too hard for your tiny brain to understand? No, it's not a sandwich with words silly!

[Anonymous No.4826213]

>>4826201

Great and fierce warriors.

[Anonymous No.4826215]

>>4826206
And? Most african kingdoms adopted gunpowder weapons, just like Euros adopted them.

[Anonymous No.4826221]

>>4826213
Fuck you, Persians were best warriors.

[Anonymous No.4826222]

>>4826209
LOL, I don't think you understand what BC/AD means.

You have listed a bunch of books (without authors), but you haven't quoted anything from them. Have you even read those books?

[Anonymous No.4826225]

>>4826201

Read Germania by Tacitus if you're interested in primitive European societies.

[Anonymous No.4826233]

>>4826215
> Most african kingdoms adopted gunpowder weapons, just like Euros adopted them.

Which African Kingdoms where those? And if they did, then what does it say about them that they still got overrun like little bitches?

[Anonymous No.4826239]

Africa, Scandinavian, etc
places full of warrior culture, were just that warriors and history is written by those who can write.
What we know history is plausible, but never certain.
For all we know Africa was a minimal genius paradise that invented everything and people just claimed they did it. (unlikely, for the same reason conspiracies are unlikely).
Right now we do not know enough about neurology and its effects on intelligence to accurately assume anything.

And for the stats
Coralations, do not mean caustically

[Anonymous No.4826241]

>>4826221

>Thermopylae
>Marathon
>Alexander the Great

Just look at Darius III scared like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.4826263]

>>4826222
BC/AD? What are you, a christfag? It's BCE and CE. And the authors are Kevin Shillington for the first book. For the second, J. Desmond Clark, J. D. Fage, Roland Oliver, Richard Gray, John E. Flint, and G. N. Sanderson. As for the third, A. Adu Boahen, Joseph Ki-Zerbo, G. Mokhtar, Ali A. Mazrui, B. A. Ogot, F. Ade Ajayi J., Fasi M. El , Joseph Ki-Zerbo, and DjiBril Tamsir Niane. If you look at the bibliographies, you find hundreds of historians contributed. Have you even read A book?

[Anonymous No.4826270]

Look at these ignorant savage Americans.

The rest of the world living in the age of steel and steam, and these retards still living in mud huts.

[Anonymous No.4826292]

>>4826233
Well, Ethiopia, Asanteman, Dahomey, Sennar, Kanem-Bornu, Buganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Oyo, Benin, Sokoto Caliphate, Futa toro and Julon, and Kongo to name a few. Alliances and betrayals, differing tactics, and sometimes luck. And not to mention many kingdoms surrendered to avoid needless bloodshed. The until the turn of the century europeans almost always got kicked out when they attacked. The malinese made the portuguese their bitches and kicked them out of their lands. I mean, how did the Arabs steamroll southern europe, north africa, and persia? How did the mongols almost conquer the world?

[Anonymous No.4826297]

>>4826044
No, having shit is the biggist predictor of succes in our world, be i women, land, or smart people to do stuff for you.

[Anonymous No.4826298]

>>4826121
>tichitt walata

Oh yeah, that looks rather impressive,.... NOT.

[Anonymous No.4826299]

>>4826263

He guys, I better just assume someone's a Christfag because they typed BC and not BCE.

[Anonymous No.4826301]

>>4826298
I like how you didn't refute what I said but just gave your opinion on what some abandoned ruins look like.
>>4826299
Basically yeah.

[Anonymous No.4826305]

>>4826292

Actually, the Portuguese looted and burned many of the East African cities. They were "defeated" because they decided not to continue with it after the niggers got their shit together and gathered at the main cities.

>>4826301

If a person writes BC or BCE it's irregardless of their religious position.

[Anonymous No.4826307]

>>4826298

Gobekli Tepe is more impressive and it's 8,000 years older than Tichitt Walata.

Niggers be niggin'.

[Anonymous No.4826310]

>>4826292

Nigger, what? Those "kingdoms" don't exist anymore and there's guns nowadays because of arms dealers, not because they "adapted" them.

If you want to believe that every single African country has been colonized at one point because of luck, go right ahead. It does make you look foolish though.

[Anonymous No.4826316]

>>4826305
Once again you prove your retardation. Mali, IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONTINENT. And the portuguese were kicked out. And I like how you seem to take some sort of sick pride in beautiful cities being looted and burned. You're ARE a nigger. And you are a christfag. (Ok, THAT was trolling) *smile*

[Anonymous No.4826328]

>>4826310
Can you read, shit for brains? I said adopted. Now let's do this together. "Adapted", "Adopted", "Adapted", "Adopted". Yaay!! You learned so much today. You're getting to be a big boy! Gold star! Also, you clearly only read the word luck and based your argument on that, but it's ok. I know you can barely read. Hell, I'm sure glad the state helped get you a job at a grocery store for being a retard. Please respond when you learn how to read.

[Anonymous No.4826339]

>>4826316

If you weren't as retarded as you claim others to be, you'd realize I wasn't talking about Mali at all. I specifically said EAST AFRICAN cities, faggot.

And yes, I do take some sick pride, because the Portuguese defeated and anally raped them and not the other way around.

>You're ARE a nigger

This summarizes your idiocies.

[Anonymous No.4826345]

Because resources.
You're an idiot if you think everything is 100% intelligence all the time.

[Anonymous No.4826351]

>>4826339
So instead of refuting my point about the Malinese kicking their asses, you decided to talk about attacking and burning peaceful trading cities with almost no military to speak of. Classy. And also, ignoring the fact that the portuguese were eventually purged from east africa with no mercy. And as for idiocy, Pot meet kettle.

[Anonymous No.4826370]

>>4825792
This picture makes me laugh.
The whole "white people are descendent from half breed Neanderthals" reminds me of how Hitler was convinced that he was descendent from the people of Atlantis (SERIOUSLY, I'm not joking. Hilarious, right?).

[Anonymous No.4826371]

>>4826328

Okay, but aside from your little chimp out there you agree that those kingdoms don't exist anymore and that they neither adapt nor adopt guns.

[Anonymous No.4826375]

>>4826351

>almost no military to speak of

If you think they didn't have any military presence, it's your own opinion. The retard here is you and not me.

But yes, the Mali did defeat a Portuguese fleet who decided to raid the coasts for the lulz. If you want to call that kicking Portugal's ass, go on, that little empire of yours already had problems and went extinct by the end of the century.

[Anonymous No.4826376]

>>4826371
They adopted guns like I said in my post you cretan. And many of them still exist, although the glory days are long past. And I'm jewish, moron.

[Anonymous No.4826383]

>>4826376

The descendants of the great Mali Empire.

[Anonymous No.4826385]

>>4826375
Says, the gentleman who knows nothing of african history. And yes, the portuguese fleet did get it's ass kicked, sorry if you're butthurt about it. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.4826393]

>>4826383
Yep, because things suck now they were never great. Pic related, glorious British Imperial citizens. Jewfag out!

[Anonymous No.4826400]

>>4826385

How am I butthurt over it? You're the only one who's pissed that those jokes of empires are long gone.

>>4826393

Notice that those hobos have clothes and stuff unlike the niggers? At least you should have posted a better picture.

[Anonymous No.4826410]

>>4826393

Superior Israeli kike citizens.

Israel's existence is an unneeded as yours, you made a mockery out of yourself in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4826419]

>>4826400
Why in god's name would somebody need clothes in that scorching heat? And sorry that you are incapable of admiring great historical states like a real historian.

>>4826410
And what do the Israelis have to do with me? I'm an american. Sorry that giving a shit about history and giving credit where credit is due is considered making a mockery of oneself. But, in all honesty I know you're so severely retarded you can't comprehend what I say, so much like all dumb people, you interpret my words as you please. Gay ga zinte hate, goyim.