/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4806625]

When will the Chinese overtake the US and Russia in space?

I'm going to say between ten and fifteen years.

[Anonymous No.4806639]

hahaha


oh wow

[Anonymous No.4806666]

they already have

[Anonymous No.4806672]

They already have overtaken the US.
>2011 US launches: 18
>2011 Chinese launches: 19

and they are neck-and-neck with Russia so far this year with ten launches each.

And for the future, they are opening a new launch site (Wenchang) and developing two new generations of launchers. And there is this space station they are currently visiting, a stepping stone to their long term plans for lunar colonization.

Firefly got it right: future generations will be swearing in Chinese because they will dominate future space exploration.

[Anonymous No.4806708]

1960s:
USA: Dude, we gotta go to space and shit.
World: Why?
USA: Because it's fucking cool and maybe there's aliens and shit.
World: Whatever.
USA: We did it!
World: How was it?
USA: Fucking sweet, brah. But no aliens. And really nothing but rocks and shit. So I guess it wasn't all that cool, after all. But it was worth the effort. We came up with some new toys and shiny shit in the process, I guess.

Fifty fucking years later:
Rest of world: Dude, we gotta go to space and shit!
USA: ololo

[Anonymous No.4806714]

>>4806708
>Sputnik: beep beep beep, u mad?
>USA: FFFFFFUUUUU

The real reason

[Anonymous No.4806719]

I dont know. US has moved from the big rockets in space to a more efficient Smaller unmanned vehicles that can stay in space for more than a year and then come back to earth unharmed. Its one of the better reusable spacecrafts. That and its commercializing space industry.

[Anonymous No.4806746]

>>4806719
if we can get the commercial space program running then we will easily surpass China with the process of supply and demand stimulating technology rather than arbitrary deadlines that may or may not exist depending on your country.

[Anonymous No.4806755]

>>4806708
I hope you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.4806813]

>>4806708
In case you're not trolling and just American:
first person in space wasn't an American.

[Anonymous No.4806816]

>>4806672
>a stepping stone to their long term plans for lunar colonization
Possibly, but as far as I know, there has been no official decision on visiting the Moon by taikonauts. If they do decide to officially go there, then it may be coincidentally at the same time, or even years after the US makes its manned return (US unmanned return due later this decade).

[Anonymous No.4806894]

>>4806813
That's not what makes his statement inaccurate.

The truth is the US only went to space for military reasons, and had no actual scientific interest.

When NASA was founded it wasn't "to look for aliens n shit"

[Anonymous No.4807567]

>>4806816
Pretty sure the Chinese have said they'd begin manned missions to the moon in 2020, and build a lunar base in the near future.

There are no lunar colonies being planned, except by Newt Gingrich.

[Anonymous No.4807743]

>>4807567
They're planning to have their own space station by 2020 and have declared they're going to the moon the same year.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807767]

I don't give a shit who does it.

We NEED an industry in space if we are to survive another century.

[Anonymous No.4807794]

MFW China falls flat on its face in the upcoming depression and its space program with it.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807801]

>>4807794
And so, humanity was but a blip in the universe, their limitless potential squandered by death and greed, the chances of another race finding the tattered remains of their civilization an absolute impossibility.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807822]

>>4807820
That's exactly what I was thinking of.

[Anonymous No.4807820]

>>4807801
The universe may be filled with the remains of extinct civilizations that made the economically sensible decision to stay on their homeplanet.

[Anonymous No.4807850]

>>4807820

I don't think so. Think about this, was it economical for the apes who were well adapted to the trees to leave their canopy and wander the grasslands? At first probably not, but they found new resources to exploit. Who is to say that in the future space may become profitable?

Its like the Romans writing off the exploration of the new world for all eternity because they didn't have the technology to get there and could not imagine what they could gain from sailing across the vast sea. But now imagine if they did find the americas.... what wealth it would have brought to their empire!

[Anonymous No.4807864]

>murika

>relevant anymore

[Anonymous No.4807879]

>>4807850
The thing is that space is dangerous, even to something as massive as a planet. And while the chances of the Earth intercepting something really devastating in the next few decades, establishing sufficient presence off-world IS going to be difficult and expensive enough that some seemingly sensible people can slow it down indefinitely.

Because the common concept of economic expediency has and does often(most of the time) shoot long-term planning in both knees.

I'm usually more optimistic than this, but allow me my pessimistic bouts.

[Anonymous No.4807893]

>>4807879
I WANT to be optimistic, I want the whole world to join hands and make the universe our bitch, but it just will not happen. Humanity exists for a handful of businessmen to get their materialistic kicks.

[Anonymous No.4807898]

>>4807794
Are you saying they don't have enough people to build a space program out of corpses if they need to, or that they wouldn't do it?

[Anonymous No.4807902]

>>4807893
So we kill those parasites. Problem solved.
And if explosives didn't solve your problem, you're not using enough.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807906]

>>4807902
Unfortunately, most of the population is (excuse me for using this word) brainwashed into thinking such an act would be bad, and anyone who thinks otherwise is evil too. Remember the hippy movement? The government tried to quiet that up, and then brought attention to the stupid druggies to make people who didn't want war look bad.

[Anonymous No.4807907]

>>4807902
I dunno, it's hard to stick a head on a pike when it's all smushed up like that.

[Anonymous No.4807916]

>>4807879

i still don't buy your hypothesis. As technology gets better things will become cheaper and open the door for new economic opportunities. Crossing the Atlantic 600 years ago was a stupendously expensive national enterprise. It is all but routine now....

[Anonymous No.4807925]

>>4807906
So?
I wouldn't care if I was made out to be the greatest villain in the history of the world, as long as the hindrances to human future were removed.

And of course I wouldn't be alone.

[Anonymous No.4807927]

>>4807916
Behavior of crowds is rarely wise or logical. The greatest demagogue usually wins. Carthago delenda est.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807929]

>>4807925
Oh no, I feel the same way. The first opportunity I had, I would amass wealth to build up unethical robotic and bio weapons to subdue the world and their leaders, and promptly begin research, design and production of starships and other technologies. Unintelligent individuals would be used for either food or hard labor, while intelligent individuals (namely scientists and engineers) would work around the clock to design machines that could support us further such as factory cloning and food animals.

[Anonymous No.4807932]

>>4807927

good thing demagogue's don't determine what is economically viable

[Anonymous No.4807935]

>Implying the Chinese have the ability to overtake everyone.
They probably stole their entire space program, like everything else.

[Pedonymous !!Yt4AmPxM3rB No.4807939]

>>4807935
The Chinese are extremely selfish, and although their massive numbers could accomplish almost anything, they choose to run each other over.

[Anonymous No.4807944]

>>4807932
Except when they can determine what your wealth is actually worth, or even the nature of wealth.

[Anonymous No.4807954]

>>4807935
Actually they did steal their space program. Absolutely everything they've done so far is just a rip off of Soviet technology. Their rockets, space capsules, space stations, are all just Soviet designs with Chinese decals slapped on them.

Maybe they can get as far as the moon, since that's been done before. But what happens when they run out of technology to rip off and they have to actually create things themselves? Uh oh.

[Anonymous No.4807980]

>>4807954
Well it'd certainly be nice for the USA if they started buying from companies like SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.4808003]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkwP8wE4GZQ

>chinese

[Anonymous No.4808004]

>OP's face when

[Anonymous No.4808008]

>>4806625
I would like the source of OP's image.

[Anonymous No.4808010]

>>4808008
Anime, Legend of The Galactic Heroes.