/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4754784]

>Average earth-moon distance: 385,000 km
>Average earth-mars distance: 253,600,000 km
>Average earth-alpha centauri distance: 42,479,700,000,000 km

:-(

[Anonymous No.4754788]

Who cares?

[Anonymous No.4754793]

Explore the Internet.

[Anonymous No.4754800]

>>4754784
Why the sad face?

Do you realize how much space this is? If we populate the interlunar space we can fit hundreds of billions of humans into it.

If we populate the intermartian space we can fit thousands of trillions of humans in there. Of we populate the solar system we're talking exa-humans!

[Anonymous No.4754801]

OP
why are you me

[Anonymous No.4754804]

What is the point of exploring space when the second law of thermodynamics guarantees that humans will go extinct?

[Anonymous No.4754809]

>>4754800
You should talk about those figures after we have made the manned mars trip, it's not such a piece of cake.

[Anonymous No.4754813]

>>4754804
for entertainment?

[Anonymous No.4754820]

>>4754793
but not with that browser

[Anonymous No.4754823]

>>4754820
Use IE10. It's good. Not as good as Chrome Canary.

[Anonymous No.4754843]

>>4754823
>Use IE10. It's good.
Right...

[Anonymous No.4755071]

>>4754784

[Anonymous No.4755086]

>>4754804
>the second law of thermodynamics guarantees that humans will go extinct?
It doesn't if the universe is infinite, or if the universe doesn't satisfy the thermodynamic definition of an "isolated system".

The second law of thermodynamics might also be flawed.

[Anonymous No.4755090]

>>4755086
>The second law of thermodynamics might also be flawed.
And maybe I'm a leprechaun.

[Anonymous No.4755102]

>>4755090
It's not likely to be shown to be flawed under conditions we can easily observe, but there's an awful lot about the universe we don't know.

Nobody has done any experimental work with singularities or dark matter, so there might be some big surprises from them.

[Anonymous No.4755111]

[Anonymous No.4755117]

>>4755111
The ocean depths are boring, and pretty much already explored.

[Anonymous No.4755120]

>>4755102
Oh yeah, sure.

But thermodynamics is some of the best known science in existence. EVERYTHING supports it - it's not even just something we observe, it follows right out of the math that describes the basic interactions of particles. It's statistical (what we expect to arise from basic known interactions in large systems), not just phenomenological (stuff we see large system do but don't understand a reason for).

It would take some very, very fundamental stuff to violate thermodynamics. Like a fundamental interaction that doesn't conserve energy (which would also violate the time symmetry of physics, by Noether's theorem).

Not a priori impossible, but really really unlikely given the evidence we have.

[Anonymous No.4755124]

>implying that anyone on /sci/ would have been an explorer in a different time period

[Anonymous No.4755128]

>>4755117

Where did you get this idea from? We've explored something like 2% of it.

[Anonymous No.4755130]

>>4755117
>pretty much already explored

[Anonymous No.4755141]

>>4754784
Next 1000 years it will be travelling the multi-verse

>i scared

[Anonymous No.4755146]

>>4755128
>>4755130
We've scanned the whole thing and taken floor mineral samples all over the place.

It's a big, boring place. Most of the sea floor is just uniform sediment on uniform basalt.

It's all mapped. We know what's down there. What sort of "exploration" do you think we still have to do?

[Anonymous No.4755149]

>>4755146
>We've scanned the whole thing
At a very rudimentary level at best or not at all if we're to be honest. Oh we know the average depth of most places but we know shit about the actual surface map of it.
There could be crashed UFOs all over the atlantic and we wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.4755155]

>>4755146

>We've scanned the whole thing and taken floor mineral samples all over the place.

We've done the same to Mars. So why bother going there, right?

[Anonymous No.4755165]

>>4755149
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.

What would count as "exploring" to you? Photographing every square meter from close up?

That just wouldn't be worth the effort.

[Anonymous No.4755173]

>You were born too much of a neckbeard.
>You will never explore a vagina.

[Anonymous No.4755170]

>>4755165

>What would count as "exploring" to you? Photographing every square meter from close up?

Not every square meter, that's hyperbole. But yes, actually physically going to sites of interest and exploring them. Hydrothermal vents in particular as they consistently have unique species.

Again, by your own logic we don't need to send people to Mars, we can just "scan" it from a distance and take samples with robots. Right?

[Anonymous No.4755183]

One day, Earth will be a pale shadow of its former self and humanity will number in the trillions; most of which will live in confined, utilitarian space habitats. That will be the state of humanity from that point on. We will live on the foreign shores of alien worlds longer than we were hunter gatherers in Africa. And all the while humans will search the sky for a blue dot and wonder what it must have been like living on the world you evolved on, the world you were born for; to be able to walk through fields of grass that share your genetic code, grass that you are related to; to live on a world that doesn’t require constant supervision to maintain habitability, a world that takes care of you…

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love nothing more than to walk across the surface of Mars. I’d jump at the chance to take a one way trip to the red planet if it was offered to me. I love space! However, just because space is amazing and just because humans are not exploring it doesn’t mean the age we live in isn’t just as amazing.

[Anonymous No.4755185]

>>4755165
Yeah, i agree

We haven't explored the seabed nor have efficient means of doing so

I mean, we were exploring inter-continentally and it took us til just recently to effectively traverse around our discoveries.

So it takes ages DISCOVERING and then anothr AGE AND A HALF to effectively traverse around it

[Anonymous No.4755189]

>>4755183
>beautiful

The only thing that will connect us is the 'internet' in whatever incarnation it will take at that point

It will be a beautiful day, no doubt. But no planet will be superior to the natural habitat of the earth.

[Anonymous No.4755193]

>>4755173
>implying I'm not gonna be like Ron Paul and be a vagina doctor

[Anonymous No.4755197]

>>4755155
First of all, we already go to the ocean when it make sense. We travel on it and in it constantly, and extract resources from the water and the floor.

The ocean is fully explored in the same sense that the Earth's land surface is. We haven't prospected all mineral resources on the land yet either, and that's pretty much all that's left to do in the ocean.

As for Mars, we haven't taken a billionth of the samples that we have from the ocean. Unlike the ocean, we still don't really know its potential.

To be honest, I'm not that interested in Mars, and consider the solar system pretty thoroughly explored already. The Moon and Mercury have the most near-term industrial potential.

[Anonymous No.4755204]

>>4755170
>by your own logic we don't need to send people to Mars, we can just "scan" it from a distance and take samples with robots. Right?
To explore it? Of course we can just use probes and robots.

Exploration is data-gathering. What did you think it was?

[Anonymous No.4755208]

>You were born too late, youll never get to experience being a slave
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience starving to death
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience smallpox and the plague
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience being drafted to be cut to pieces on the other side of the world for a king youll never meet
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience having to shit in a bucket and throw it out the window
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience having to work in a field for 14 hours a day with no air conditioning or cold drinks
>You were born too late, youll never get to experience having your barber perform surgery on you with no sanitation or anaesthesia

[Anonymous No.4755220]

>You were born too early, youll never take a year off to spend with your harem of charming beautiful simulated girls, in full confidence that nothing bad will have happened to any of the people you love when you return.

[Anonymous No.4755260]

>>4755197

>and that's pretty much all that's left to do in the ocean.

Except, you know, science. It's still filled with unknown species and something new that's significant and bizarre is found with great regularity.

>As for Mars, we haven't taken a billionth of the samples that we have from the ocean. Unlike the ocean, we still don't really know its potential.

It's a red desert.

[Anonymous No.4755277]

>>4755260
And new species are important, why? Finding out if there is or ever was life on Mars would fundamentally change how we perceive the universe and ourselves as a planetary biosphere.

[Anonymous No.4755279]

>>4755183
This.

It's great to be alive today.

[Anonymous No.4755296]

>>4755277

>And new species are important, why?

From a commercial standpoint, pharmaceuticals. From a scientific standpoint, genetics, taxonomy, explaining more about aquatic stages of evolution and discovering new forms of life.

>"Finding out if there is or ever was life on Mars would fundamentally change how we perceive the universe and ourselves as a planetary biosphere."

You won't find life on Mars. You'll find it on Europa, and ocean world. Even so, it's stupid and childish to care more about a microbe just because it's on Mars than something like this, just because it's in our ocean.

[Anonymous No.4755302]

lmao look at all these faggots praising technology as if it was a good thing society underwent the industrial revolution

[Anonymous No.4755303]

>km
>km
>km

[Anonymous No.4755304]

>>4755296
>You won't find life on Mars.
Nice crystal ball you got there bro. Get that off Amazon?

[Anonymous No.4755330]

>>4755304

We've already sent probes that tested the soil, multiple times. Where's the life? How many decades are you gonna keep looking?

[Anonymous No.4755438]

>>4755303
>nice try

[Anonymous No.4755464]

>>4755277

>he doesn't see intrinsic value in discovering new things

why are you on ./sci/?

[Anonymous No.4755485]

>>4755464
I was comparing it to the discovery of life on Mars.

[Anonymous No.4755482]

>>4755330
Underground where water is still liquid or long dead but now in the form of fossils.

u trollin?

[Anonymous No.4755490]

>>4755482
Why are you even arguing about this? Isn't it obvious we should explore both the deep sea and Mars more?

[Anonymous No.4755508]

>>4755485
Again, why are you discussing this?

Mars:
- low chances of finding anything new
- extremely expensive
- if we find sth., it's guaranteed to be groundbreaking

sea:
- extremely high chances of finding sth. new
- quite expensive
- lower chances of the findings to be groundbreaking

So what? Let's do both!

[Anonymous No.4755526]

>>4755490
That's not what is being discussed.

[Anonymous No.4755536]

>implying we ever die
we have plenty of time OP
cheer up emo kid
gif reltaed, its me giving a fuck about death.

[Anonymous No.4755534]

>>4755508
Read the thread.