CHOOSE!

[Anonymous No.4753999]

You get to send one of the following back in time to the the Bronze Age to jump start civilization (assume language is nonissue):
Physicist
Chemist
Biologist
Historian
Engineer

[Anonymous No.4754002]

>>4753999
enough

[Anonymous No.4754028]

Chemsit

I think a chemist would have the best proportion of knowledge across the important areas, like: the Haber process, production of gunpowder, where important substances come from, and general theoretical knowledge.

[Anonymous No.4754033]

Chemist

I think a chemist would have the best proportion of knowledge across the important areas, like: the Haber process, production of gunpowder, where important substances come from, and general theoretical knowledge.

[Anonymous No.4754038]

biologist so there will be less religious fags around

[Anonymous No.4754040]

>>4754039
but with all the books of today

[Anonymous No.4754039]

send myself

[Anonymous No.4754041]

I would be a biologist because I think that a head start at medicine would be good.

[Anonymous No.4754042]

Depends on the degree.

Bachelor's: physicist
Master's: engineer
PhD: chemist

[Anonymous No.4754052]

You have to first send them a priest.

[deleted No.4754053]

Either a physicist or a chemist.

if physicist: teach your theoretical knowledge to other people and hope that someone figures out how to apply it.

if chemist:keep a low profile and hope that they wont burn him for being a wizard.

[Anonymous No.4754063]

>>4753999
anon, just enough pony talk for make everybody commit suicide

[Anonymous No.4754096]

>Physicist
>Chemist
Would they have to reproduce? That would be difficult.

>Biologist
Why would we want a walking book?

>Historian
So he could tell them about things that never have or will happen...

>Engineer
I´m sure he´ll mate, but we wouldn´t get any babies out of that.


I think we should send a female rights major. (That way we can be sure that nothing changes and we are still alive)

[Anonymous No.4754109]

>>4754063
what, why is there so much engrish on this board

[Anonymous No.4754128]

A mathematician would have the most bang for the buck

[Anonymous No.4754150]

>>4754109
I know right? Why can't all these foreigner learn themselves to speak proper english? I mean obviously since all the important webpages are in English that means America owns the internet and they should get either learn to speak it well like or they should GET OUT.

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.4754160]

Materials scientist and/or mechanical engineer. Let's see if we can get Hero's steam engine into mass production before 500 AD.

[Anonymous No.4754161]

>>4754150
>should get either learn

[Anonymous No.4754166]

>>4754150
I'm fine with someone whose first language isn't English, but that sentence doesn't make any sense. Please check your butthurt at the door.

[Anonymous No.4754164]

>>4753999
Send a physicist with books on chemistry, biology and history.

[Anonymous No.4754170]

>>4754166
>>4754161
Trolled.

[Anonymous No.4754173]

>>4754170
I got that from
>America owns the internet

[Anonymous No.4754180]

>>4754170
No I'm pretty sure half of that post was serious and the other half was a mounting of butthurt sarcasm.

[Anonymous No.4754182]

>>4754180
Pretty sure you got trolled nigga.

[Anonymous No.4754236]

Engineer, machines jumpstart civilization faster than the others.

[Anonymous No.4754269]

Biologists. Their understanding of the human body would improve health drastically. Possibly increase our lifespan into the hundreds.

[Anonymous No.4754333]

>>4754236
How so?

[Anonymous No.4754346]

>>4753999
Biologist.
Why?
Because agriculture and agricultural yields are absolutely critical for population growth, he'd be able to produce superior plants, understand their required soil conditions and so on.
Also, microbiological knowledge would lead to jumpstart of hygiene and antibiotics. General anatomic knowledge and funciton of organs and cellular elements would save everyone several hundred years. Likely, the society would be more biologically oriented due to these extreme intial advances in the field.

Genetic engineering and selective breeding of humans would likely mean that by the 20th century the human race looks entirely different and is universally superior.

[Anonymous No.4754353]

>>4754346
Biologist wouldn't know the Haber process like Chemists would. Food yields go to chemists.

[Anonymous No.4754557]

>>4754346

> That is not something everybody knows?

We're talking about sending someone back with an education on the field, not just someone who is able to apply 2012-average-Joe knowledge.
The question is, what major would make a difference, even though you are also able to use your knowledge in other subjects aswell.

[Anonymous No.4754617]

>>4754269
>Possibly increase our lifespan into the hundreds.

lolwat. If they could do that in prehistory, why aren't they doing it now?

[Anonymous No.4754641]

An Engineer would be the most useful. Their knowledge is the most practical and they're teh most likely to be able to apply it in very technologically deprived conditions.

Chemists, biologists, and physicsists knowlee would mostly not be applicable or demonstrable without advanced instruments and equipment and refined supplies, which they would likely not know how to go about making or obtaining themselves.

>>4754346
>he'd be able to produce superior plants, understand their required soil conditions and so on.

Most biologists probably know very little about effective farming practices.

[Anonymous No.4754667]

What would an engineer provide? They have limited to no theoretical knowledge and are just as dependent on their tools. Chemists would have the best mix of theory and application. I can't stress the importance of the Haber process enough.

[Anonymous No.4754670]

>>4754617
methuselah faggot

look him up, he's in the bible

[Anonymous No.4754686]

>>4754353
>food yield to chemists
A good part of the "green revolution" was due to novel strains of food crops.

Now I don't expect a biologist to directly develop new strains, but the knowledge of genetics and crossbreeding would allow the common population to pick up crop specializations involving crossbreeding

You also have to consider a knowledge of general plants and other organisms that are likely to already naturally exists, such as species that fixate nitrogen that can be used as fertilizer crops.

A chemist without his tools and reagents may also be severely handicapped. A biologist would likely operate better in a primitive enviroment as such, now if we were to say the 18th century i'd select the chemist, but different times call for different expertise.

Also, while chemists may know about more advanced pesticides, would he be able to syntethize and develop them? A biologist would likely be able to differentiate plant faults into insectoid, malnutrition or viral attacks and possibly know of biological methods to fight them.

[Anonymous No.4754779]

>>4754670
>>bible

[Anonymous No.4754781]

Engineer.

[Anonymous No.4754886]

jacob barnett, who the fuck else

[Anonymous No.4754894]

Engineer

[Anonymous No.4754896]

>>4754686
Chemists know how to do husbandry and strain breeding. Most of us took freshman level biology. All of us understand biochemistry better than a biologist.

[Anonymous No.4754913]

engineer/physicist --> electricity

[Anonymous No.4754914]

>>4754109
because people post from different countries

[Anonymous No.4754921]

>Historian
Wut. They would think he's jesus and then try to burn him at the stake.
>Biologist
A chemist could do the same thing and even better because he could produce medicine.
Physicist
>Pretty useless without an engineer around to prove the physics.

Engineer, hands down.

[Anonymous No.4754928]

Historian
>Wut. They would think he's jesus and then try to burn him at the stake.
Biologist
>A chemist could do the same thing and even better because he could produce medicine.
Physicist
>Pretty useless without an engineer around to prove the physics.
Chemist
>Eventually they would get better at chemistry through the engineering.

Engineer, hands down.

[Anonymous No.4754937]

>>4754913
electricity > all

[Anonymous No.4754949]

>>4754913
And how would they do that? With the battery made from a chemical cell that they don't know how to build? Or using a generator based on a magnet surrounded by wire made from copper they don't know how to purify?

[Anonymous No.4754952]

The thing is, even a high-school educated person would revolutionise absolutely every field in the Bronze age. Especially by introducing the scientific method. The question then becomes, which of the given fields do we want to advance the furthest? For me, I'd say Physics because an extra X hundred years of research into the field will yield some incredibly interesting results. GUT theory and so on. The others are quite mature sciences with significantly less room to advance.

[Anonymous No.4754959]

>>4754952
Assuming the person isn't a total moron like 95% of high school students out there.

[Anonymous No.4754966]

>>4754949
Which is why it inevitably it boils down to biologist being the best choice because he's knowledgable in SHIT THAT ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>Physicist
good luck writing and reproducing a book in the fucking bronze age, there's no large nations or need for siege weapons either.
>Chemist
You don't have pyrex glass, you don't have bunsen burners, you have no reagents, no pipettes, no titration equipment no magnetic stirrers, no pH indicators, no pure acids, no pretty much anything.
>Historian
I guess this is second or tie with biologist, because he knows how we did it, the sequence of inventions, what happened when and how it changed society.
>Engineer
Engineer in what? computer or electronics will be useless, mechanical engineers would be a bit better off and civil general buildings engineers or landscape engineers would be neat, irrigation, high quality buildings, storage and whatnot else.

The biologist still fits in the best because he don't need to levrage other people as aid and resources, he's pretty much the only solo class for this adventure.

[Anonymous No.4754968]

I'm in Physics, but I'd probably pick the chemist, prefferably a physical chemist. They have sort of the broadest, most well-rounded knowledge. It would provide a great launching point for others to pick up where he left and branch in multiple directions. They would have the foundations of Thermodynamics and Quantum Mechanics, as well as a good understanding of molecular theory, and some smart people should be able to fill in the gaps to get the rest of what we know.

[Anonymous No.4754979]

My argument is as follows.

Biologist is best because he can.
Optimize agriculture
Optimize hygiene and disease theory.

Thus, the biologist will lead to the fastest large and rapid population incraese, and increased population means more specialization and more innovation. If we were 6 billion people by 1792, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be more advanced today than we currently are, by the simple fact that more people = more brains = more innovation = more productivie = moar moar moar.

[Anonymous No.4754976]

>>4754959
No dude you don't get it. Even if he is a moron like 95% of his peers, he'd still be capable of revolutionising every field. In fact, he'd introduce the concept of "science" in general. Further, we are assuming the person being sent back is at least educated to Bachelor's level in Physics. Although an easy feat in general, it certainly shows a higher aptitude than the majority of liberal arts/history/biology majors.

If we go further and say post-doc level, things really get interesting.

[Anonymous No.4754981]

>>4754686
>knowledge of crossbreeding

Everybody that graduated highschool knows this. We can't pretend that the person we send back only knows what is contained in the textbooks of his field; they would also have the general knowledge that most normal people in their field would have. Everyone here knows the basics of genetics, and crossbreeding. Just like we all know how we all know basic calculus and Newton's second law, so the Physcist does not have a monopoly on those concepts.

[Anonymous No.4754985]

>>4754979
But we all know about hygiene and disease theory and agriculture.

Biologists just know random shit about the intestines of earthworms, and tons of fucking classification bullshit. Plus, the Biologist is going to be fucked with his "disease" theories without a microscope, which 99.999% of Biologists don't know how to construct.

[Anonymous No.4754989]

>>4754976
I get it; I'm just being a smartass...

However, assuming he is an average high school student, the only thing he might be able to help them with is irrigation and hygiene.

[Anonymous No.4754990]

>>4754952
Those mature sciences that are needed to achieve any of the advances you have such a hard on for. If you want quantum mechanics you have to establish a solid understanding of basic chemistry. If you want advance genetic engineering you need to understand the chemistry of DNA. The question is about how to best establish the foundation of science so that humanity could build from it as fast as possible. You don't send a microbiologist because they would have no tool with which to do useful work. Since modern science started with classical mechanics (Calculus, planetary motion, Galilean Relativity) and alchemy. The best person to send would be someone with understanding of these fields. The closest you will find is a chemist.

[Anonymous No.4754993]

>>4754979

More people would also mean more fighting for resources and more war. It's not like we've ever lost knowledge in the past because of wars. /sarcasm

[Anonymous No.4754995]

>>4754990
It's pretty much a tie between chemist and engineer. Anything else won't work out too well.

[Anonymous No.4754998]

Engineer or Chemist.

Both will give the past steam power and gunpowder along with better processes for producing metals.

Hell, send me to the past and I'd at least give you gunpowder. Distilled piss + charcoal + sulfur. The only one that's difficult to acquire is sulfur, but even that was mined in the ancient world.

[Anonymous No.4755000]

Does anyone else think it would be amazing to live in that guy's time? (OPs pic)

As long as they have food and water; and people are hygenic.

[Anonymous No.4755005]

Engineer might be the best choice. Since you can't rely on education in that time, it's highly probable that anything theoretical or intellectual will get either be swallowed up by religion or just lost. However if someone were to teach people how to build machines, even if they don't understand how it works (it would take more than a lifetime of developing the "intellectual" or theoretical explanations) they will continue to keep building them, and in the meantime, smart people will figure them out. Why wouldn't they? Even the dullest and dogmatic idiots can't argue against a machine that makes life easier.

[Anonymous No.4755008]

>>4755000
>food
>water
>personal hygiene
Those are the top three things they didn't have. You basically just said it would be cool except for the part where you're actually there.

[Anonymous No.4755009]

>>4754985
Petri dishes and macroscopic identification of colonies is still possible.
Also, expecting to create a microscope in the fucking bronze age is beyond any and all of the listed professions.

>i need glass!
>Wat?

Also, a microscope is not enough to classify microbes or tissue slices, you need to stain it too which no one except the biologist would probably know at all.

You think you know enough of hygiene and agriculture and biology to cover the basic needs, but it's most likely opposite, A biologist would know enough to suggest steam engines and other future developments while he could, right now, right then, provide advanced understanding of things that already exist.

He would have basic knowledge of organ functions.
Now say for example, how would you diagnose diabetes in the bronze age? A chemist would ask for a lab test and, oh wait, there's no god damn labs around for 2000 years.

[Anonymous No.4755014]

>>4755009
>Also, expecting to create a microscope in the fucking bronze age is beyond any and all of the listed professions.

A Physical Chemist who specialized in laser and optics could probably do it, but that is besides the point. The other professions don't need a microscope. Only the Biologist does.

[Anonymous No.4755015]

>>4755008
I'm saying it would be cool to start from scratch with the knowledge of how to do everything we do today.

I FUCKING LOVE BUILDING

[Anonymous No.4755016]

>>4754985

Gimme some glass plates, meat/yeast extract, some NaCl and some KPO4 (and don't dare say they are difficult to find) and enough time to find and grow a pure strain of Streptomyces erytherus or Streptomyces venezuelae, and in a month more or less I can reduce the death rate of the nearest town to 10% of its original.

[Anonymous No.4755017]

>>4754990
No. My argument is that anyone with a Bachelor's degree is capable of advancing every scientific discipline up to and post-industrial revolution level. Due to education in general, *every* choice (Physicist/Chemist/Historian) will advance humanity to this degree. The only interesting question is which field will most benefit from a few extra centuries of research. And that field is Physics so I'd send a physicist. The equipment needed (microscopes, electricity, and so on) will come about as a natural consequence of the scientific method and the rudimentary scientific base of any of the "classes".

So, imagine we send a Chemist instead. He'd give everyone knowledge up to industrial revolution (say) or slightly beyond. Then, he'd dump the hyper-specialised Chemistry knowledge which will be researched and improved upon for the next 1000 years or so. What will be the consequences of this? Chemistry is quite mature as a science. The ability to revolutionise the field is much less than for Physics.

[Anonymous No.4755018]

>>4754993
Guess who will win the war?

Yeah, the side with more people and adequate troop hygiene and more food in case it turns to atriation. Now you have your biologist culture spread to an even larger area and can expand even better for the glory of civilisation. You'll have the roman empire rise before the god damn iron age.

[Anonymous No.4755020]

>>4755009
>diabetes
>bronze age

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.4755022]

I'd send a geologist. Knowing where to find some metals and minerals might do more in the long run.

[Anonymous No.4755030]

>>4755016
>Bronze age
>glass plates
no.
>NaCl
okay, ask them to evaporate seawater.
>KPO4
is that salpeter or magic?
>Streptomyces erytherus or Streptomyces venezuelae
they can give you some moist bread that have been lying around for too long but don't expect more than that. I'm the guy voting for biologist so show me you can discern it accurately.

[Anonymous No.4755029]

>>4754667
>>4754641
>>4754236
Engineer, Most practical indeed, with the least need for advanced tools. Secondly, the ability and ingenuity to design/create tools for the production of this shit. Look back, Egyptians, Romans, both huge civilizations that were formed because epic engineers.
As long as it was someone who knew how to get from the paper to the physical medium....

[Anonymous No.4755036]

>>4755020
Surprise, surprise, have you ever heard of type I diabetes, you idiot?

Oh, you are true up to an extent. There weren't people in the bronze age with diabetes mellitus because THEY FUCKING DIED OF A CETONIC COMA WHEN THEY LEUCOCYTES BEGIN TO KILL HIS BETA-CELLS!

[Anonymous No.4755041]

>>4755017
>general knowledge
Does the average person with bachelor's of science degree have enough knowledge to extract aluminum from ore? Or to even identify which ore to use?

There are thousands of processes that while you might have knowledge of existing, unless you studied the process in question, it would be very difficult for you to enact because you're missing key parts.

Chemistry tends to know these processes better than other fields.

[Anonymous No.4755043]

>>4755016
>give ancients recipe for Tetracycline
>no knowledge of how to build equipment needed to discover new antibacterials
>bacteria become drug resistant much earlier in history
>mankind dies of plague

And this is why I would not fucking send you back.

[Anonymous No.4755044]

HABER PROCESS!
LOOK IT UP!

[Anonymous No.4755046]

>>4755029
>Engineer, Most practical indeed, with the least need for advanced tools.
>computer engineer
just forget it
>electric engineering
see above
>mechanical engineering, is a lathe or CNC mill primitive?

and so on.

I'd say the most adequate field would be medicine, the whole mess is so incredibly archaic and backward still in 2012 that you'd get manage pretty well by banging rocks together into flint knives.

[Anonymous No.4755049]

>>4755044
>HABER PROCESS
>enriched iron
>ruthenium catalyst

read OP post; bronze age
yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.4755053]

>>4755044
>>4754667
>>4754353
>>4754033

Ok dude. We get it, you just finished your summer semester organic chemistry 1 class. Can you let the adults talk now, please?

[Anonymous No.4755051]

>>4755017
So you would rather send someone to give incomplete knowledge about a field with little to no background required for other people to understand it. You are a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.4755057]

>>4755049
The Haber process doesn't require a catalyst. And a thick walled bronze reactor would easily hold the required pressure. Hydrogen and Nitrogen production would still be a hurdle, but that isn't what you took issue with.

[Anonymous No.4755058]

>>4755041
>enough knowledge to extract aluminum from ore

I don't think any one person regardless of their field could accomplish that in the bronze age.

[Anonymous No.4755063]

>>4755049
Yeah, he's best off just making bloom iron. This is the bronze age, any process for iron that you can make work is good.

[Anonymous No.4755064]

>>4755057
>The Haber process doesn't require a catalyst
>Hydrogen production would be an issue

HENCE IT REQUIRES A FUCKING CATALYST! Goddamn summer /v/ can't into chemistry

[Anonymous No.4755065]

>>4755030
Well, let's punctualize. You really can't distinguish between them without some advanced tools (like a PCR machine or a selective medium), BUT:

1.-First: prepare some bottles with a enriched medium (agar would be better, but a little difficult to adcquire in the Bronze age)

2.-You have to convice some guys to be agitating them in warm water 24/7 (that would be funny to watch).

3.-Collect a fuckton of bacteriae/molds

4.-Select strains that generate antibiotic (Don't make me explain it, it's a 6-7 pages protocole)

5.-When somebody gets ill, collect the bacteriae from that guy, and run assays until you ran the bell.

[Anonymous No.4755067]

>>4755057
>thick walled bronze container
Holy shit, I hope you have the favor of the richest city-states. That would cost more than a horde of charioteers.

[Anonymous No.4755069]

>>4755064
Bitches don't know about water electrolysis.

[Anonymous No.4755075]

someone smart enough not to be killed 'cause of witchcraft or whatever

[Anonymous No.4755081]

>>4755069
>Bronze age
>electrolysis of water

And pray tell, how exactly are you going to pull that off?

[Anonymous No.4755080]

>>4755065
>collect the bacteriae from that guy, and run assays until you ran the bell.

How about administer your god damn antibiotics straight off the bat and hope for miraculous recovery. You're talking abbout assay in the fucking bronze age?

Your main concern is getting dictatorship status to propel your knowledge into the future, no avoiding antibiotic resistance in the first patient you treat.

[Anonymous No.4755082]

>>4754038
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.4755088]

>>4755065
What I'd suggest here is to find a proper gelatinous medium and then demostrate
>1. Bacterial cultures
>2. Fungal cultures
>3. bacterial + fungal cultures and the inhibitory/cidal zones that appear on the medium.

You might die at any time in this primitive age so disseminating knowledge in a proper way would be of utmost importance.

[Anonymous No.4755092]

>>4755041
Aluminium isn't key though. This is the bronze age so bronze is around and will be enough to implement the advances. So, for example, steam turbines/engines, wires, lightbulb filaments and so on and so on. Eventually, someone will discover aluminium too. The thing is, the scientist sent back only needs to spread the scientific method and improve education/infant mortality rates/medicine to the 1850s level. This will be a catalyst for subsequent geniuses to expand from. so someone will discover aluminium, someone will create the internal combustion engine, the computer etc. This is a consequences of sending anyone back, regardless of speciality.

[Anonymous No.4755096]

Wanting your field to be more advanced is good, I get it. BUT, if you want to really improve the life of the human species in that age, you have to select a biologist.

[Anonymous No.4755097]

>>4755092
Yes you'll have access to a little bronze, but its very expensive. The Iron Age was such a big deal, not because Iron was stronger than bronze, but because it was much more readily available.

[Anonymous No.4755103]

>>4755096
If you were trying to play the medicine route, a medical doctor, chemist, or biochemist would be far better than a biologist

[Anonymous No.4755104]

>>4755051
You have completely misconstrued my point. Any one of the people sent back will supply the scientific method along with improving medicine, child mortality, food production and so on. The rest of civilization as we know it today will be derived from that seed. This is with the basic knowledge of any Bachelor's degree.

[Anonymous No.4755116]

>>4755096
I'm arguing quality of life improves equally irrespective of who is sent just due to scientific method and what an average graduate knows. (Maybe slightly less for historians).

Specialised knowledge at UG level is too far beyond the capabilities of the time to be of any practical use. The traveller will have to write it all down for subsequent generations to use.

[Anonymous No.4755122]

>>4755103

Well, I'm a biochemist myself, and I consider my discipline is inside the biology. So, strictilly speaking, I could be also called a "biologist".

[Anonymous No.4755121]

>>4755081
Draw a copper wire and make a rudimentary generator using a load stone. Gold electrode won't corrode. I'm assuming you'll permit me a basic understanding of gears and transmissions. Probably make a water or wind mill to power the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.4755123]

>>4755097
And any chemist worth their salt could tell you how to smelt iron.

[Anonymous No.4755129]

>>4755122
Then you must be a shitty biochemist. All the good ones want to be considered chemists because biologists are the red headed step children of the physical sciences.

[Anonymous No.4755131]

>>4755103
>If you were trying to play the medicine route, a medical doctor
agree
>, chemist
doesn't need to know anything about humans at all as far as i know.
>, or biochemist
May be dependant upon multiple reagents and other nonexisting hardware to do anything signififcant at all.

MD is what you want if you want the magic healer route. Then again i'm an MD and a lot of MDs are rather limited in their perspective to the point where I'd say i'm a god damn polymath compared to them.

[Anonymous No.4755135]

>>4755121
>Copper wire

How did you make that?


Also, that simply wouldn't work. The electroylsis of water is alot more complicated than that.

[Anonymous No.4755152]

>>4755135
Copper was being smelted before bronze age, so the wire shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.4755157]

>>4755129

You know, I really was trying to avoid the ad hominem falacy, becaus is very easy to fall for it in this type of threads. But I can't just simply forget to remember the conversation I was having with a lab bro (and fellow physicist), in which we both find that, in general, chemist really have a STRONG urge to make themselves seem, you know, "worthy" for a lack of a better word, usually despising other fields

[Anonymous No.4755163]

>>4755157
That is only because you have penis envy of real chemists, being a biochemist.

I am a chemist and I have penis envy of physicists

Physicists have penis envy of mathematicians

Mathematicians just have big penises.

[Anonymous No.4755184]

>>4755163

Look what i was saying?

[Anonymous No.4755190]

Engineer to build shit.

[Anonymous No.4755207]

i still say geologist. almost anyone can do basic metalurgy, but only a geologist will be able to easily identify all of the different ores.

[Anonymous No.4755209]

This reminds me of the thread where we discussed how long it would take to build a rocket to get to the Moon if you were stranded on an undeveloped Earth and were immortal.

[Anonymous No.4755228]

>>4755209
>immortal

It would suck to fuck up and miss with your rocket then. You'd be flung out into space and would float aimlessly for eons and eons before colliding with something else...probably some massive sun in another solar system, and then you'd be stuck to it until it supernova'd and flung you out into space again.

[Anonymous No.4755234]

>>4755228
There were rules on the immortal part. When you die, you return to some point around where you died on Earth, or around where you took off in the case of dying in space.

[Anonymous No.4755249]

>>4755234

So, Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.4755290]

>>4755135
>how get copper
>bronze age
>bronze
wat

And electrolysis of water really is that simple. Take salt water and apply about 6 volts and you will start producing hydrogen and oxygen. I know because I did this in my dorm room. The only problem is you will start to oxidize your anode if you use a metal that is too reactive. Gold is the only metal from antiquity that will survive.

The whole discussion is moot because you can easily isolate enough nitrates from mining and other natural sources to get agriculture going for a few generations while you attain industrial revolution quality advancement. By the time you need the Haber process to keep up with nitrate demands for industry and agriculture you should have access to the higher quality tech required for hydrogen production from natural gas.

[Anonymous No.4755298]

>>4755249
Basically, yeah, but your job is to get to the Moon, not kill a dragon.

[Anonymous No.4755331]

>>4755290
Its probably better to get an iron industry going and then use steam reforming.

[Anonymous No.4755344]

>>4755331
How do you think I intend to make hydrogen from natural gas?

[Anonymous No.4755386]

>>4755290
> Take salt water and apply about 6 volts and you will start producing hydrogen and oxygen

and where will you get your 6 volts from?
and will your 6 volts be enough for practical purposes? or do you just want to write the worlds first useless academic paper

[Anonymous No.4755390]

Who would send anything that's not a packaging engenieer?

[Anonymous No.4755401]

>>4755386
Read the thread dude. One would build an electrical generator out of magnetite and copper wire.

[Anonymous No.4755405]

>>4755401
And the generator would be
>shit
>not sufficient for a community of more than ½ persons.

[Anonymous No.4755413]

The Haber process is great, so let's send chemists back to the bronze age since they had equipment back then capable of performing such things.

Everyone spent more time arguing about who's knowledge will do what without considering the limitations of the time period. Hur dur.

[Anonymous No.4755424]

Send Gaben

Don't get EP3 anyway

[Anonymous No.4755426]

>>4755413
Read the thread. We've discussed the creation of tools plenty.

[Anonymous No.4755430]

>>4755424
Actually, that might just give him enough time to actually finish it by 2013.

[Anonymous No.4755434]

>>4755426
>jury rigged copper wire generator
>will produce 200kW to sufficiently supply fertilizers for a society of 50 people.

How about no.

[Anonymous No.4755458]

>>4755386
Well, lemons, paper, and copper plates of course.

[Anonymous No.4755467]

HOW IS THIS EVEN DEBATABLE?!

The CORRECT answer is OBVIOUSLY a physicist.

Sure there might not be drastic changes in society right away, but he would lay the groundwork for truly amazing developments later on.
You give them anyone else, maybe they'll have medicine faster, maybe they'll have cars faster,

but give them a physicist and we will see much greater improvement in ALL areas of science in the years following.

Imagine where we would be today if people back then understood relativity, quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics


To end this post I'd like to leave you all with a quote:
>When Queen Victoria asked the great English experimentalist Michael Faraday what good was electricity, he replied "Madam, what good is a baby?"

[Anonymous No.4755474]

>>4755458
> lemons
I guess you'll have them grown in spain in greenhouses and shipped to you via a time machine.
With bulk rebtate of just 1€ per 100 tonnes, which is pretty much what you'll need.

This is why we can't have nice things. Everyone is stuck on their on stupid line of right and won't care about things such as scaling laws.

[Anonymous No.4755493]

>>4755474
In all realism, i think burning sulfur, and passing the gasses through water, then some jury rigged "distillation", with some lead might just work.

[Anonymous No.4755495]

>>4755467
>Sure there might not be drastic changes in society right away, but he would lay the groundwork for truly amazing developments later on.

Phycisist write a book.
Die of bronze-AIDS after two years.
Ten years later, a monk needs paper, bleaches the physicist book, because no one can read it anyway, it's of no use to those that can read.

2012 is identical to today.
Nice waste of time machine ther anonymous, how about you use your fucking brain the next tieme.

[Anonymous No.4755500]

>>4755434
How 'bout yeah.

[Anonymous No.4755506]

>>4755493
> burning sulfur
Good thing that sulfur is availible in hundred feet stacks everywhere then. This will be easy as shit.


Oh wait.


Here's my suggeston, we use grid electricity and wikipedia an look everything up instead, ok instant knowledge!!!111111111111111111

fuck you internet, i hate you so much

[Anonymous No.4755505]

>>4755467
>send physicist
So your goal is to have absolutely zero impact on history?

You're sending him back to a time when a bronze spearhead was the most expensive thing a middle-class farmer owned.

[Anonymous No.4755510]

>>4755506
Sulphur is actually pretty easy to find if it's around at all.

[Anonymous No.4755511]

>>4755474
>implying lemons are the only source of acid on Earth

[Anonymous No.4755515]

>>4755510
So give a cursory explanation how we find sulphur for a industrial haber process then?

[Anonymous No.4755516]

>>4755506
>>4755506
Holy fuck, you are either really really stupid, or a shitty troll.

If your simply stupid, then at least be humble about it instead of being aggressively stupid.

[Anonymous No.4755522]

>>4755516
Sorry for being rational.

I guess everyone would just ebay sulphur for you when you show up as a stranger in a bronze age village.

Did i mention you're a faggot?
no?; you're a faggot.
Fag.

[Anonymous No.4755523]

>>4755515
It's the yellow stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#Natural_occurrence

[Anonymous No.4755531]

>>4755515
Sulfur can be mined in relative purity and the ancient world did mine sulfur.

Of course that isn't to say that sulfur still isn't still fucking expensive and not available everywhere.

[Anonymous No.4755540]

>>4755522
Thank goodness you are just a shitty troll and not an idiot. Faith in humanity restored.

[Anonymous No.4755543]

>>4755531
And you would have a sulphur mine availible on you personal whim just because you're a master race race chemistt?

Would you fund the miners by blowjobs? becuase i'm pretty sure a large scale industrial process would require a bit more than just goodwill.

[Anonymous No.4755545]

>>4755505
>Implying you need anything to do physics other than a stick and dirt to write in.
Do you think I meant for him to go back and build particle accelerators?

Do you know what the greatest achievement of mankind is to this day?

It is the KNOWLEDGE of our place in the universe and how it works.

Simply knowing that if I mix these chemicals together in this specific way and build a battery and then shove these little wire doodads into it and connect it to a filament I can produce light
is NOWHERE NEAR as important as WHY that happens.

My point is the difference between the following:
1) if you tell them how to make electricity and how to make lightbulbs then they will have light.
2) If you explain electromagnetism to them they may take longer to have light, but they will end up with computers MUCH sooner.

[Anonymous No.4755548]

>>4755543
Become powerful enough and access can become a reality. But you certainly won't have sulfur available immediately.

Realisticly one of the first things the person sent back can do is improve hygiene and make some bloom iron.

[Anonymous No.4755552]

>>4755545
The basic theory would accompany whoever brings the applications. The finer points will come later when Earth has a population large enough to support a million scientists. Humans won't have the infrastructure to test such abstract theories until they can apply baser theory in a practical manner.

I'm a physicist, and I say a chemist should go back.

[Anonymous No.4755556]

>>4755548
>Become powerful enough and access can become a reality.

Become powerful by how? Massive industrial projects that you don't have manpower to?

Why not send a rocket scientist, he'll fly us to the moon by 200 A.D.

[Anonymous No.4755563]

>>4755545
They don't understand what the fuck you are trying to say.Probably think you are insane, then kill you.

Why would they trust you? Imagine someone says comes tomorrow and starts talking weird stuff you don't understand.Would you trust him?

You need to SHOW them how to do something.They need analogies, practical examples etc.. So chemist or an engineer would be ideal.

To the guy that keeps mentioning Haber-Bosch process.Why the fuck would they need it? It's not like they are overpopulated/without natural means for finding food etc .. It's only relevant when they reach billions population phase.Cow poop can do that same job just as well..actually better than Synthetic fertilizer, and it's not like they don't have that.

[Anonymous No.4755565]

>>4755552
> chemist should go back.
bring my 1M HCl and my pyrex glass.
What do you not have it? didn't you pass chemistry 101.

>Chemist dies as a male prostitute from rectal infection.
>2012
>this thread again

Cool story bro, next please.

[Anonymous No.4755561]

>Engineer
>Work in mines for big money
>Retire early and fuck medieval bitches

[Anonymous No.4755575]

>>4755556
By currying favor. Find some local strongman and wow him by healing injured warriors with amazing shit like cleaning and bandaging wounds using instruments sterilized in boiling water. Maybe apply a pressure to stop bleeding. Use that knowledge of germs!

Or move to a cosmopolitan city and wow people with your invention of the kite.

Or become a king's most valued servant when you provide him with bloom iron.

There's lots of little ways you can help to curry favor. Once you've proven yourself in small ways you'll have some allies when you want to try something greater.

[Anonymous No.4755585]

>>4753999
dem trips

It may not matter. Ignorance at that stage and even now is a bit too great to easily overcome. Imagine if a man 2000 years in the future came to us to try and enlighten us. would it truly be that effective as much as we would like it to be? He/she would have to be very wise and an expert with words.

[Anonymous No.4755627]

Okay, fuck the Haber process and all related discussion. It isn't important for the conditions of the question. If you want to improve agriculture introduce the concept of crop rotation and cow shit as fertilizer. Between that and basic husbandry and irrigation you can supply a population boom for generations during which time the processes for synthetic fertilizer production will become common. The crux of this question is really what set of knowledge and skills would be best for building a foundation on which a civilization could advance most rapidly.

My opinion on the matter is that the Renaissance marked the beginning of what we would consider modern science. The two areas that were most important for the early development of science were Math/Classical Physics and Chemistry.

The math/physics stuff was what led to calculus and all the high-school level physics that everyone knows. Chemistry led into damn near everything else of value. Soap for starters. Just look at the accomplishments of Antoine Lavoisier and his contemporaries. Add in Dalton, Mendleev, the ideal gas law, basics of genetics and quantum mechanics and you have a foundation for everything a bronze age society could realistically use to advance for at least a century. By that time the traveler is long dead so it doesn't matter what else they could have contributed. And with any luck scientists would only need to rediscover most major concepts which is a much easier task so advancement would continue at a rapid pace for decades.

[Anonymous No.4755636]

geologist

[Anonymous No.4755740]

I wonder what could be accomplished in a deathmatch-style competition (sans violence).

Give two groups no tools or technology and for celerity sake piles of naturally occurring resources. They have to build a radio controlled, full sized car which they must then drive for 100km.

[Anonymous No.4755743]

You also have to realize that shit never goes to plan. The need to improvise and solve problems is a major factor in advancing civilization. Which in my opinion cancels off a biologist, historian and engineer. They are too specialized in what they do. What is an engineer going to do when he can't find the materials he needs and in order to get them he has to travel a route that has a mortality rate of 90%. He will need to find a different way to approach the problem. That is why I'd say a physicist or chemist would be a better choice.

Now we get to the problem of what will advance civilization the most. Setting down the foundations for scientific thought is key, however, anyone can do that. As I see it, the biggest problem is technology. For example, we had the theory to produce MRI machines 50 years ago, but we couldn't because we didn't have the technology to do so. But then we get the discussion of what comes first technology or theory. Well fuck, accidents win the majority of discoveries. So however we can jump start the technological revolution is the key to a more advanced civilization.

Now, there are many different types of chemists and physicist. Sending a theoretical physicist/chemist would help, but then you are basing your advancement on the hope he can convenience enough people to believe him. So the best choice is an experimental chemist or physicist that develops and builds his own experiments. Because that guy can problem solve and figure out a way to get shit done while others would just fuck medieval bitches with a home made lamb intestine condom.

[Anonymous No.4755748]

engineer, standardized production has been one of the most important things man has ever done.Think industrial revolution earlier than 1900.

[Anonymous No.4755771]

>>4755748
>implying standardized parts and the assembly line isn't super easy
And there were standardized parts long before the industrial revolution. The main issue was making sure the artisans all had a standard to build to and quality control was enforced.

[Anonymous No.4755772]

>>4755627
The internal combustion engine and fertilizer will be the main things to shoot for.

[Anonymous No.4755773]

>>4755748
If you are itching for standardization then send a chemist
they invented the metric system

[Anonymous No.4755777]

how can engineers be discounted?

They are trained and educated to be problem solvers and to do the absolute best with whatever they are provided or available. Furthermore they are educated in a broad range of all science, in particular physics.
I know because I study civil engineering and I've had to learn all about physics, maths, chemistry and material science... the lot. Including metal processing techniques and all the chem shit

Engineers are called the jack all trades for a reason and would be the best choice

[Anonymous No.4755807]

Because most engineers are not research engineers. They are trained with the methodology of building things with the materials at hand to fit a certain criteria. Tell me what would you do if your project was to, lets say, build gear house capable of keeping consistent time. Basically a mechanical clock, but you are given no materials. Everything has to be done by you. Granted a smart person would find the scholars of the day and enlist their help, but if you have no idea about horology and how to come up with ways to synthesize the materials you need, then it is pointless. This is not saying an engineer couldn't do it. Just that a chemist or physicist would be better suited to solve these problems. As that is what they do. Find answers to the things currently unknown. They have a level of problem solving the is more refined for situations that they have never been trained to do.

[Anonymous No.4755909]

>>4755807
So you are of the opinion that the real valuable thing to bring back is a way of thinking, not just knowledge?

[Anonymous No.4755928]

Engineer, obviously. Applied science is what's going to make the difference.

You can explain the periodic table or Newton's laws to a bunch of Minoans until you're blue in the face, but what's REALLY going to get their attention (and make a difference in their lives) is a goddamn steam engine.

[Anonymous No.4755955]

Chemist. Seems the most usefull for the time.

[Anonymous No.4755976]

>>4755928
The only reason I think a chemist would do better than an engineer is that the chemist should have memorized several hundred reactions and would have the knowledge to procure new materials. The workings of a steam engine is a fairly basic concept known rather broadly and should be able to be figured out.

The engineer would better know how to setup the valves and what constitutes an effective seal, but wouldn't be as able to derive gunpowder as well as a chemist would.

[Anonymous No.4756002]

>mfw fuck this i send someone with PhD in Philosophy

[Anonymous No.4756010]

Wow. There a lot of really interesting posts in this thread.
After reading it, I would have to say that all of these majors have really good things going for them (except for maybe history major. sry history majors) It really does just boil down to which field would you like advanced further. I would like to another inspiring engineer ahead of his/her time in the history books.

I would love to have another da Vinci or Nikola Tesla to marvel at. :P

[Anonymous No.4756022]

Applied science and practice of an engineer would be the best. Even if his knowledge is not to the extent of a pure chemist or physicist, you don't need to have complete knowledge. It's in the bronze Age... Someone who knows how to put a broad range of science into practice and build/ develop stuff with it is the best

[Anonymous No.4756033]

>>4756002

[Anonymous No.4756034]

>>4756033
>>>reddit

[Language reform guy !KHn8YK/x0g No.4756036]

>>4756010
Perhaps a historian of science wud be the optimal choice, if that counts as history. He wud have the knowledge of how many of the basic discoveries were made in many fields. When things are really elemental, one does not need to know specifics. Knowing how to get the basics of each field down seems like the optimal solution.

If that doesn't go, then i'd go with a biologist becus his knowledge is the most immediately applicable.

[Anonymous No.4756037]

>>4756036
What would be something useful a biologist would know that an intelligent layman wouldn't know?

[Anonymous No.4756047]

Biologist if he's a botanist for agricultural purposes. Chemists would be great too, but being burnt at the stake is a risk.

There isn't much requirement for pure theoretical knowledge, it's the bronze age, so I'd go with engineers. You jump start technology (metallurgy, building infrastructures like roads and bridges, weaponry).

[Anonymous No.4756366]

i dont think a historian would be any good, rest might be okay.

[Anonymous No.4756388]

Psychologist.

[Anonymous No.4756772]

Not to revive a dead thread, but I thought it should be mentioned that chemists don't know shit about implementing the Haber process compared to Chemical Engineers.

[Anonymous No.4756800]

if you're playing the long game the obvious answer is physics.

any science would probably be sufficient. the important thing is that it would teach people the intellectual methods that were developed in the enlightenment. working back to the stage we're at now is only a matter of a couple of hundred years, and physics would restore the most important knowledge.

chemist comes next, then biologist.

engineer would be a bad choice and historian terrible, if you want to kickstart civilisation you have to introduce the paradigm of rationalism, and those subjects aren't so heavily entwined with it.

[Anonymous No.4757317]

Se actually did this back in Renassaince, and we sent a motherfucking engineer.

>Da Vinci

[Piracy !!VZNx34SOr5M No.4757327]

Is this even a question? Physicist, everything else is stamp collecting

[Anonymous No.4757335]

i never get to post this

[Anonymous No.4757338]

>>4754966
>biologist being the best choice because he's knowledgable in SHIT THAT ALREADY EXISTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

All the things you're saying about the chemist are even mroe true of hte biologist.

Most biologists nowadays have most of their knowledge at a cellular or moelcular level.
They're totally reliant on PCR, gels, sequencing machines, sophisticated microscopes, isotope labelling, and various other technologies that they wouldn't have a hope of being able to reproduce without specialist knowledge outside their field in order to access most of their knowledge.

[Anonymous No.4757336]

I send a pretty travenstite.

humanity gets extinct

[Anonymous No.4757342]

I think an engineer would probably be the best choice.
Would speed up technological progress greatly

[Anonymous No.4757354]

>>4754346
This. Also biologists' brains are closer to primitive bronze age humans than the average scientist.

They would have less problems communicating.

also: 1 less biologist for the present

[Anonymous No.4757359]

>>4757338
>Most biologists nowadays have most of their knowledge at a cellular or moelcular level.

So you're saying all biologists are suddenly molecular biologists and they've stopped learning the entire classic fundament of their field?

[Anonymous No.4757364]

>>4757338
Imagine a biologist specialised in morphology.

He would explain evolution, rationalize natural history and would kill/replace organised religion before it would even start.

[Anonymous No.4757398]

I'm not so sure about an engineer, since there are many genius level and capable engineers that appear throughout early human history. You can look to Archimedes and even ancient Egyptians for that. I think that a Chemist would actually do the most work jump starting things because of the disciplines that are spanned. Like the one previous person said, you would have known gunpowder and TNT for combat and mining, ammonia production for farming, and plenty of knowledge of catalysts and basic thermodynamic, electrodynamic and chemical properties. Alchemy may have been a precursor to chemistry we know today, but if you sent back a Chemist of today, all of that stuff would be debuffed and given new foundation. Someone who gets a Ph.D. in Chemistry also needs to go through all the theoretical physics and chemistry that would prove useful from a physics point of view, and I'm sure they would have a good enough understanding of physics to "discover" equations and formulae way before its time.

A Mathematician would be my second choice, but I think there were good enough mathematicians that started appearing in ancient times where I wouldn't necessarily think it would be warranted, just like engineers.

[Anonymoose No.4757401]

>>4755081

Get a magnet and make a motor pulled by slaves, identify the anode and cathode by deflecting/attracting water.

AND THERE YOU HAVE FUCKING ELECTROLYSIS!

[Anonymous No.4757414]

>>4757359
Hey there grandpa. Yes, that is what nearly all biologists do nowadays.

Most of the knowledge from before biology became strongly molecular they learnt in highschool, so there wouldn't be much benefit sending a biologist back vs. sending any one of those sceintists back, since they would all likely be as well versed in the biological knowledge that would be applicable at that level technology as the biologist.

[Anonymous No.4757424]

A physicist knows all the others' fields better than they do, why send anyone else?

[Anonymous No.4757452]

I would probably say chemistry. A lot of basic chemistry was probably somewhat advanced at that time but doable to make work and see results from. While physics would be interesting as well, I doubt they would have great use for it at the time, just like most of the others. The historian one would probably be able to jumpstart a bunch of things, but in the end I don't think it would be the best idea.

[Anonymous No.4757533]

>>4757424

[Anonymous No.4757585]

Either physicist or engineer, because I'd love to see what kind of architecture humankind would come up with.

[Anonymous No.4757594]

you can be an engineer with any of the above sans historian

[Anonymous No.4757604]

>>4757594

This is what physicists actually believe.

[Anonymous No.4757623]

Historian is the only one not stupid enough to get killed for practising magic, and yet knows enough rudimentary science to get things moving. An engineer might build armored vehicles and claim to be a god, negating the former.

[Anonymous No.4757627]

>>4756033

[Anonymous No.4758245]

Dude, it would be like bronze age steampunk.

[Anonymous No.4758295]

I'd say a physicist is the most used to problem solving and thinking out of the box, so would be the best candidate.

[Anonymous No.4758301]

>>4757354
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little physicist? I'll have you know I graduated top of my biology class in Harvard, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on cancer, and I have over 300 confirmed PCR tests. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top bird watcher in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another species that I have to memorize for an exam. I will dissect you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of pre-med students across the USA and your information is being memorized right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in not using mathematics, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Richard Dawkins Followers and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit bacterial infection all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.4758311]

>>4758295
I'm a physicist and I'm inclined to believe that's not true. I can make the conservation of energy dance on paper, but an an equally intelligent engineer could do the same with less abstract concepts. The only reason your claim might be true is because the average physicist needs to be more intelligent than the average engineer, else he wouldn't have graduated in the first place.

[Anonymous No.4758325]

>>4758301

[Anonymous No.4758335]

>>4757414

It amazes me A FUCKING LOT how people have studied the Mendel laws in high school and think they know it all about crossbreeding and strain selection.

Is more or less the same as if I, that has studied only the basics of integral equations, say "I know enough about calculus".

Good luck when the gene you are trying to select is at 20 cM of an ephistatic gene.

[Anonymous No.4758340]

Obviously the Historian to prevent the dark ages

[Anonymous No.4758342]

>>4758301

10/10, loled hard. Take a bow sir.

[Anonymous No.4758345]

>>4758335
Would that knowledge be usable in the bronze age? What information would be immediately practical for a people who already know how to breed animals?

[Anonymous No.4758361]

>>4758335
Good luck trying to synthesize enough equipment that lets you do anything else but recreate Mendeleev's research.

[Anonymous No.4758374]

>>4758345
I will be sincere, because I don't want to be another of all this "my field is obviously the best". Not all knowledge, but a good deal of it.

There are things in genetic analysis (and improving strains is an aplication of genetic analysis) that can be quite unintuitive, like the mentioned epistasis.

Also sometimes the desired results can't show until third or forth generation, and you have to know what you are serching for and what matches you have to do

Also, you should try to search for phenotyipic marks and do ligation assays to know what you are working with.

[Anonymous No.4758382]

>>4758361
You have not understood me. Mendel's law could be only aplicated in an organism in which every gene would be in a different chromosome, and each metabolism route was formed by an unique substrate and enzime, in which ligation never ocurred, in which both sexes had the same chromosome charge, in which the species is diploid and supposing mutation can't happen. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.4758403]

>>4758382
And I'm saying that you can't do jack shit about it because you don't have any equipment.

[Anonymous No.4758473]

>>4758403

What I'm trying to make you understand is that you don't really need a lot of equipment to make crossbreeding. Hey, sure, a PCR machine would be ideal, but you don't really need one. The most important thing is knowing what matches you have to do, and how to search the characters you are searching, what parameters you have to take into account and what you have to calculate.

And for a ligation experiment you don't need any machine

[Anonymous No.4758494]

>>4758473
I don't see how you're going to do anything besides selectively breeding individuals who display the traits you desire. Which is basic animal husbandry.

[Anonymous No.4758522]

im a civil engineer, and we are taught first first principles methods for building design

concrete would also be reinvented and this may trigger a revolution in construction and construction efficiency

tbh, any engineer is very useful... when an electrical engineer is introduced, you are inventing the light bulb and AC electricity in the bronze age...chemical engineers will design plants to mass produce chemicals for manufacturing, and mechanical engineers will be able to reproduce a working motor...

while physics is nice, alot of it is lab work with advanced computers and tools...

chemists and biologists are very niche, chemists will be able to singlehandedly wipe out smallpox, poilo and the like, and biologists will be able to skyrocket crop productivity and efficiency...but this only translates into life expectancy increases without much of a technology jump

a historian will be burned on the cross

[Anonymous No.4758540]

>>4758522
Everyone would be able to make basic vaccines, because you learn how to do that in high school.

[Anonymous No.4758590]

>>4758540
I sincerely expect that to be irony.

[not him, nor you No.4758611]

>>4758590
Vaccinating against smallpox is easy enough.

[Anonymous No.4758628]

>>4758611
Care to explain to me how you would do it in the bronze age?

[Anonymous No.4758638]

>>4758628
Bitches don't know about cowpox

[Anonymous No.4758640]

>>4758628
Find some bronze age equivalent to milk maids with cow pox sores, take a sample, and use that sample to infect people at high risk of squiring small pox.

>shit prehistory, are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.4758644]

>>4758628
Find some bronze age equivalent to milk maids with cow pox sores, take a sample, and use that sample to infect people at high risk of acquiring small pox.

>shit prehistory, are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.4758685]

>>4758638

Bitches fucking know about cowpox, about his damn philogenetics and about his approximate time of origin. And about its reservory. You, all powerful being, equiped with the enourmous knowledge of high schol biology, have good luck searching It in cows instead of rats.

[Anonymous No.4758708]

>>4758685
>implying you get the cowpox virus from cows and not from milkmaids
Oh you.

[Anonymous No.4758723]

>>4758708
No, seriously, you must be doing this in purpose...

Have you EVER stop to think why milkmaids had it first?

[Anonymous No.4758726]

>>4758723
Because they get fleabitten form being around animals.

[Anonymous No.4758732]

The engineer

[Anonymous No.4758763]

>>4758726
Yeah, well, read a bit, will ya?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowpox

And what is not said there, phylogenetic studies show that cowpox come from another pox-like virus in rodents, in tle last 1000-2000 years (yes, you know, AFTER the bronze age)

[Anonymous No.4758773]

>>4758723
Because they got it from cows. That doesn't matter though. What matters is that one could easily vaccinated against cow pox with a simple high school education.

You simply locate a group of individuals who spend a lot of time around cows, ask them or observe them until you discover a sickness that only they seem to get, take a sample of the sores, and use it to infect people at high risk of small pox.

[Anonymous No.4759235]

Engineer.
Engineers know chemistry and physics and enough biology to jumpstart civilization.

[Anonymous No.4759252]

>>4759235 enough biology
Engineer here. I sprained my knee recently and the doctor had to explain some really basic stuff when I asked "Where do I get an anti-inflammatory".

Biology was not an entrance requirement for engineering so the furthest I have gone is a couple modules in Grade 10 Science.

[Anonymous No.4759258]

Philosopher

he would teach them proper epistemology for science, empiricism

which would cause science to be born in the bronze age, within 200 years they would be where we are now

science owes its existence to 17th century philosophers

[Anonymous No.4759269]

What good would a historian be? And the biologist as well; they aren't that helpful.

Engineer, I choose you! Build stuff, let everyone else figure out what plants are edible and who won the American Revolution that will likely never happen.

[Anonymous No.4759800]

Each time I'm noticing more and more that people tend to overrate Its knowledge in biology. Thing seems to be, that, as basic knowledge in biology is quite intuitive (not as harsh to understand as, maybe, maths) and usually anybody has a basic idea of a lot of biological terms, they seem to think they know all what is needed to know.

[Anonymous No.4759841]

I'd send a hacker. He'd cut some wood.