Eventually...

[Anonymous No.4751272]

One day, maybe not even in our lifetime, but one day, odds are SETI will hear something.

What would you do to celebrate, if and when SETI makes first contact?

[Anonymous No.4751284]

>Implying intelligent alien life
>Implying intelligent alien life within our reach
>Implying SETI isn't simply a bottomless pitt to drain US government funds.

Why you aleeumfags don't simply keep readin star wars fanfics instead of trying science?

[Anonymous No.4751291]

>>4751272

[Anonymous No.4751293]

>>4751284
you sir, are the cancer that is killing the science board.

[Anonymous No.4751299]

>>4751284
/pol/ is that way -->

please go there and die.

[Anonymous No.4751314]

>>4751272

Well, odds aren't really anything. In fact it kinda' depends on which odds you wanna' go with. The only actual evidence of "life" anywhere has been found here, on Earth. We haven't found anything anywhere else. Its persuasion and logic games to say that "odds are" after that.

I'm not say I disagree about extraterrestrial life either, I'm just saying...

[Anonymous No.4751320]

SETI is a waste of money.

1. Aliens don't exist.
2. Even if they existed, SETI wouldn't find them.

[Anonymous No.4751325]

>>4751293
In fact YOU are the cancer. He was pointing out facts and you keep dogmatically denying them. That's not how science works.

[Anonymous No.4751328]

>>4751293
>>4751299
>b-but my childish fantasies...

>>>/x/ is that way, pathetic manchildren.

Just grow the fuck up to realise alien interaction is physically IMPOSSIBLE and that will NEVER change.

[Anonymous No.4751333]

I'm all for finding intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy but SETI is like using a soup can to try and listen in on your neighbors across the street.

[Anonymous No.4751336]

>>4751320
Finding a way around the earth to Asia is a waste of the kings money.

1.The earth isn't round.
2.Even if it was round, you wouldn't make it past the sea monsters.

[Anonymous No.4751358]

>>4751336
Travelling around the earth was a viable experiment. SETI is not even an experiment. It's just waiting for hurr durr aliens.

[Anonymous No.4751378]

>>4751358
Fuck you, everything is a viable experiment!
Its just a matter of willingness to perform them.

Go be an accountant somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.4751393]

>>4751378
Waiting for random shit to happen is NOT an experiment.

[Anonymous No.4751395]

>>4751358
People like you bore the shit out of me.

While anyone who's worth anything is out here trying new and unfounded things, here comes you thinking the only thing worth doing is something that's already proven to work.

People like you bore the living fucking shit out of me.
You should teach, you clearly have lost the experimental desire.

[Anonymous No.4751398]

>>4751378
>everything is a viable experiment

And you dare care someone else cancer? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4751404]

>>4751393
I agree with the other guy. Yes, it is.
What you seem to think is an experiment, we call engineering.
Re-use of already discovered data.

[Anonymous No.4751416]

>>4751398
Why don't you let us handle the discovery side of things. You can go back to reading about it when we find something interesting.

[Anonymous No.4751419]

>>4751395
>>4751404
Are you retarded? I told you that stupid waiting for aliens to magically appear is not even an experiment.
An experiment is a method of systematically trying to validate or falsify a hypothesis. This is not happening by hurr let's wait and see if aliens contact us.

[Anonymous No.4751426]

>>4751416
You are not discovering anything this way.

Goddamnit, why is /sci/ full of highschoolers today?

[Anonymous No.4751430]

>>4751419
>I told you that stupid waiting for aliens to magically appear is not even an experiment.

Lol, explain to me why I should care what you tell me?

And yes it is.

lol.

[Anonymous No.4751431]

>>4751416
>let retarded science fans handle discovery

I'm sure this will turn out perfectly, yes.

[Anonymous No.4751438]

>>4751431
>Let an accountant decide if we should experiment.

... I'm sure we'll find plenty of shit this way.

[Anonymous No.4751437]

>>4751430
>Lol, explain to me why I should care about scientific corrections?

[Anonymous No.4751442]

>>4751430
>I WILL NOW PROVE ALIUMS EXISTS BY LOOKING AT MY WALL TILL I SEE THEM
>ANY MINUTE NOW GUISE
>IM DUIN SCIENCE GUISE

[Anonymous No.4751444]

>>4751437
Explain to me what we'll find by repeating what we already know.

[Anonymous No.4751457]

>>4751442
Hey guys!
Lets watch for the higgs boson!

(oh but mr. Accountant here thinks that's a waste of time, it's not already proven, ergo, it's a waste of time)

[Anonymous No.4751451]

>>4751438
So everyone who doesn't believe in magic and rather supports real science instead of paranormal pseudo-science is an "accountant"?

[Anonymous No.4751470]

>>4751451
You're supporting ENGINEERING you dumb fuck.

You're arguing that it's pointless to observe if you haven't already proven that what you're looking for exists.

What you're arguing is ENGINEERING.
The re-use of already discovered data.

[Anonymous No.4751473]

>>4751444
YOU FUCKING RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT.

I NEVER SAID WE SHOULD ONLY REPEAT WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. THERE IS A LOT OF NEW AND GROUNDBREAKING RESEARCH GOING ON IN ALL FIELDS OF SCIENCE AND YOU ARE DEVALUING ALL OF IT BY ABUSING AND LITERALLY TAKING A SHIT ON THE ESSENTIAL CORE OF RESEARCH, I.E. MOTHERFUCKING EXPERIMENTS.

[Anonymous No.4751477]

>>4751457
Particle physics:
>accurate models with predictions
>knows exactly what it is looking for
>is a science

LOL ALIUMS XDDDDD:
>looks at the sky at random
>doesn't even know what they are looking for
>is scifi at most

[Anonymous No.4751486]

>>4751473

I NEVER SAID WE SHOULD ONLY REPEAT WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. THERE IS A LOT OF NEW AND SEMI-INTERESTING RE-ENGINEERING GOING ON IN ALL FIELDS OF ENGINEERING AND YOU ARE DEVALUING ALL OF IT BY ABUSING AND LITERALLY TAKING A SHIT ON THE ESSENTIAL CORE OF RESEARCH&DEVELOPMENT, I.E. MOTHERFUCKING ENGINEERING.

[Anonymous No.4751489]

I'm sorry to inform you guys, but you're all fagets.

[Anonymous No.4751494]

>>4751477
>doesn't even know what they are looking for

wow, just walked in this is embarrassing
you really think seti doesnt know what theyre looking for
you think maybe patternous radio waves doesnt fit the bill?

[Anonymous No.4751501]

>>4751494
No fucking kidding.

You don't say!

[Anonymous No.4751502]

>>4751470
Okay, Mr Full Retard. Here's how it works.
How to conduct an experiment:

First of all you need a HYPOTHESIS. Then you develop a REPEATABLE TEST that yields RESULTS within FINITE TIME to VALIDATE or FALISIFY your hypothesis.

This does NOT apply to stupidly waiting for space fairies to magically appear.

[Anonymous No.4751509]

>>4751494
So they are looking at stuff randomly hoping to find some sort of pattern or something. Yup, that sure is science.

[Anonymous No.4751513]

>>4751502
if you can't figure out what setis hypothesis is you need your head examined
and if you cant figure out their method of testing you really need to go kill yourself, do us all a favour, and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.4751522]

>>4751513
Show me the results or at least tell me when they are expected. What's the exact date when we can say with certainty that seti has proved aliens to not exist?

[Anonymous No.4751527]

>>4751513
>kill yourself

Only real intellectuals use such /b/ rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.4751534]

>>4751513
>has his dogmatic beliefs disproved
>resorts to insults
Go back to school, kid.

[Anonymous No.4751531]

>>4751502
>Okay, Mr Full Retard. Here's how it works.
>How to conduct an experiment:

>First of all you need a HYPOTHESIS.
Check.

>Then you develop a REPEATABLE TEST that yields RESULTS within FINITE TIME to VALIDATE or FALISIFY your hypothesis.
Check

They have systematically eliminated a positive result (found a negative for retards like yourself) from a number of systems... and there's billions more to test.

>This does NOT apply to stupidly waiting for space fairies to magically appear.
That's not what they're doing.
But hey, it must seem that way to an accountant.

[Anonymous No.4751544]

>>4751531
What they are doing is neither systematic nor repeatable. It's a waste of time and money. You needing to resort to idiotic and childish insults like "accountant" only further proves the weakness of your point as well as your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.4751555]

Technically guys : S.E.T.I is not an experiment.
It is a series of experiments.

Each solar system (which is becoming more like each planet lately) that they observe is observed for 8 hours at a time for signs of a radio signal that comes in a distinct pattern.

Each test is then either concluded as a positive or negative. Thus far, each system tested has been a negative. However, their overall hypothesis does indicate they would have to test millions of systems before the odds are that they'll find one positive.

They most certainly are a branch of science, and any attempt to dissuade from this fact is a clear indication of a lack of understanding for sciences vast array of fields.

[Anonymous No.4751561]

Why is /sci/ full of religionfags? Call it god, aliens, free will, dualism or whatever other stupid name. It's all the same, i.e. illogical and irrational beliefs in things that aren't real.

[Anonymous No.4751572]

>>4751555
Simply waiting for shit to happen is still not an experiment. Otherwise I could call myself a scientific researcher, because I spend time on /sci/ waiting for science threads to appear. The results were negative so far btw.

[Anonymous No.4751582]

>>4751561
Why would one need to believe in something to test whether or not it exists?

You sound like you might not belong here.

[Anonymous No.4751589]

>>4751582
>he can test god's existence

[Anonymous No.4751586]

>>4751582
Because you can't test any of this shit.

[Anonymous No.4751606]

>>4751572
Clearly they are not "waiting around for (expletive deleted) to happen"

They are in fact actively and systematically observing an array of systems, one at a time, for a particular result.

As for your earlier comments regarding wasting time. I commonly hear such nonsense from uneducated masses. Of which you'd be wise to distance yourself from.

[Anonymous No.4751609]

>>4751589
/b/ is that way -->

[Anonymous No.4751613]

>>4751609
How about you go there?

[Anonymous No.4751614]

>>4751586
Can't?

I'm sorry, did you just say can't?

Did you fucking design the universe or something? Who the fuck are you to decide what can or can't be tested?

[Anonymous No.4751618]

>>4751613
How about fuck you make me.

[Anonymous No.4751623]

>This thread

So many butthurt people trying to say *THIS* is what *SCIENCE* is or isn't, as if it was some form of never moving entity. The so-called "Scientific Method" isn't the ONLY thing that constitutes science for fuck sakes. And if you can't get past that, you should be able to at least understand that SETI is a series of experiments which measure various bits of quantifiable data throughout space. They're not JUST pointing radio telescopes straight up and waiting for Alien FM 102.1 to come in loud and clear.

[Anonymous No.4751619]

>>4751614

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.4751626]

>>4751623
thankyou

for fucks sakes, SOMEONE gets it

[Anonymous No.4751627]

>>4751623
Although being part of every experiment, measurement and observation alone don't constitute an experiment.

[Anonymous No.4751635]

>>4751626
Though I agree with you, your swearing doesn't help us in explaining these things to the simpler minded.

Just calm down a bit.

[Anonymous No.4751642]

>>4751623
THIS

The scientific method is outdated. There's more to science than doing aspie work in a lab. Science means advancement of humanity and advancement of humanity equates to diminishing the stupidity of religious shit heads. Richard Dawkins has done more for science and humanity than any theoretical assburger, becaue he successfully debates creationists and shows them by means of science how wrong they are.

[Anonymous No.4751644]

>>4751635
fine, whatever, its not worth arguing with these idiots anyways

[Anonymous No.4751647]

>>4751644
>it's not worth arguing with scientifically educated people

Oh yeah, right. You better be careful, you might accidentally learn something.

[Anonymous No.4751649]

>>4751642
I agree that he utilizes data discovered by science effectively.

... but I wouldn't go as far as to declare him a scientist by any means.

[Anonymous No.4751655]

>>4751649
Creation retard detected.
The goal of science is to disprove religious fairy tales.

[Anonymous No.4751663]

>>4751647
It's rather clear to me that you haven't got the foggiest clue what it is you've been arguing. You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of what you want science to be, and reality simply doesn't line up with it. Perhaps you should save yourself some embarrassment and let this one be.

In essence, as I believe he might have said it "sit down and shut up kid"

[Anonymous No.4751669]

>>4751655
No it is not!

The goal of science is to discover and explore.
Not to set out on some pointlessly bitter pursuit of aggression toward an even more pointless system of dogmatic belief.

[Anonymous No.4751671]

>>4751663
Obviously I know more about science than you. I guess you're still in highschool and are deluded by too much pop sci faggotry.

[Anonymous No.4751673]

>>4751655
lol, fuck that
why the fuck should we care about religion?

[Anonymous No.4751682]

>>4751669
>discover and explore
That's only another way to phrase it. We discover and explore how wrong the bible is and by doing so we show that creationists are retarded.

[Anonymous No.4751692]

>>4751673
Because religion is the scourge of humanity. Religion means hate and murder, while atheism is peace and tolerance. Only because of religion our scientific advancement has been suppressed for hundreds of years. We need to get rid of these retards.

[Anonymous No.4751724]

If colonizing the galaxy is possible, then why isn't it teaming with intelligent life?

>inb4 Earth is the first planet with intelligent life in the Milky Way

My money is on all intelligent life never leaving their home planet and eventually going extinct. Let's make sure humanity is the first to beat the odds.

[Anonymous No.4751775]

I noticed someone arguing that the scientific process requires a hypothesis and, among other things, definitive results, etc.

This cannot be further from the truth. I myself work in the field of natural biology. We rarely ever employ the use of hypothesis, most of our work typically consists of strict observation and reporting.

A number of my colleagues have noticed patterns in species we did not expect. And occasionally, but rarely, a species that we did not expect to be in the region shows up, and hence, we discover that a particular species is not extinct, or that it does not exist strictly in a particular area of the world.

I find SETI's tests to be remarkably similar to our own. They set up observation of a particular region, and record their findings.

Sure, they haven't found anything yet. But I myself have numerous surveillance sets that have run for nearly a decade now, and have turned up absolutely nothing noteworthy.

... and of course there are the occasional and incredibly rare findings that are actually useful.
It's that which gives this field of science it's entire purpose.

SETI just hasn't found anything YET.

Who knows, maybe they'll find something they weren't hoping for. A natural phenomena relating to radio waves that we hadn't expected.

But attempting to claim that SETI isn't scientific because they don't employ your methodology is just plain short sighted and ultimately an uneducated opinion.

[Anonymous No.4751787]

>>4751724
maybe they have advanced and became more computer like and have no needs to come into contact with other species

[Anonymous No.4751799]

>>4751775
Do you realize that you're arguing in favor of those who say biology is not a hard science?

[Anonymous No.4751813]

>>4751787
They wouldn't be contacting us on purpose. If intelligent life were everywhere then the galaxy should be loud.

[Anonymous No.4751867]

>>4751724
FTL limitations backs this sad, but probably true, statement up.

>But complex Biological life could live for millions of years so a trip across solar systems would be nothing to them
Prove it
>Prove that it couldn't
Shut the fuck up you dumb bitch.

[Aussie_traveller No.4753286]

maybe its not a pit of money because it costs the US one million a year, which is a miniscule amount of money compared to smoking, drinking, fast foods, the amount of money spent to cure cansar, aids, sids and all the others, while not worrying about overpopulation if they are successful.

call it a bit of faith that they will find something eventually.

[Anonymous No.4753291]

>>4753286
>call it a bit of faith that they will find something eventually

Yes, and while you are at it, also buy lottery tickets.

[Anonymous No.4753325]

>the average post on /sci/

[Anonymous No.4753344]

>odds are SETI will hear something

lolno

[Anonymous No.4753354]

>>4751813
Maybe they are not as advanced as we are yet or maybe they are too far away for their transmissions to reach us yet or maybe something is blocking their transmissions or their transmissions are not detectable with our technology or maybe they had an interstellar society but were destroyed billions of years ago

[Anonymous No.4753363]

>>4753325
>2012
>not jerking off to your own posts

[Anonymous No.4753369]

>>4753354
Go away.

[Anonymous No.4753723]

>>4751393
The first part of the scientific method requires observation. Guess what sitting around reading signal graphs is?