/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4734544]

How does /sci/ feel about affirmative action during university admissions? I'm in favor of it, but I'm biased because my vagina got me into MIT.

[Anonymous No.4734549]

it sucks

[Anonymous No.4734551]

>>4734549
why?

[Anonymous No.4734552]

aww just as I was about to go to bed

when I wake up this thread better have >100 posts

[Anonymous No.4734559]

>>4734551
because somebody that was smarter than you got denied because they were a white male

[Anonymous No.4734562]

OP, you are female at MIT?

undergraduate?

[Anonymous No.4734565]

Affirmative action suuuucks are you kidding me?
What the hell does it even accomplish? Really?

If you want to really debate this though,
>>>pol and stay there.

[Anonymous No.4734566]

>>4734551
less qualified people are taking spots of more qualified people

[Anonymous No.4734568]

>>4734559
Most empirical evidence suggests that white males aren't really affected by affirmative actions. Asians are the group that gets hurt the most. That's why the number of Asians at the best schools in the University of California system shot up after they outlawed AA at state universities while the number of whites stayed relatively constant.


Still, I think diversity is good for campuses. Guys don't want to go to a sausage fest campus, and it is bad for universities not to have any females. It also adds to the perception that females are bad at science, which is bad.

[Anonymous No.4734569]

i believe applications shouldn't even ask your ethnicity, and that the interviewing process should be made as blind as possible, ie through online chat or phone conversations

[Anonymous No.4734573]

>>4734562
yes but i don't start there until the fall. i just graduated from high school so hurr durr i am 18.

[Anonymous No.4734574]

For it.

>mfw Native American starting at CC this year, after I get my AS I'll probably get into a top 4 year university with mediocre GPA purely because of my race
>why can't I hold all these financial aid checks

[Anonymous No.4734577]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.4734578]

Everyone should watch this. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmSzgvaJCn0

[Anonymous No.4734581]

Now that I'm a PhD student (physics), I don't really care. Once you're past undergrad, good research and great recs trump any advantage you get from being a URM. Do your best at wherever you go for undergrad.

Anyways, leaving before 100+ butthurt replies

[Anonymous No.4734584]

>>4734568
but many women are extremely talented, however if someone is more talented they should be allowed to go to a school like MIT. if someone is less talented, then they shouldn't get something they dont deserve. Also, what if males are generally better at science? what if?

[Anonymous No.4734592]

>>4734574
if you are native american and only going to community college... you fucked up something major in high school

[Anonymous No.4734598]

>>4734584
Males probably are better at certain sciences because they are overrepresented at both ends of the IQ bell curve. There are more male retards, but also more male geniuses. It stands to reason that there will be more truly talented male scientists.

My point is that when science is seen as a male field it discourages women from going into it in the first place. My friends were surprised I applied to MIT even though we were all applying to Harvard and similar schools. It's seen as a male thing to do.

[Anonymous No.4734601]

>>4734568
>It also adds to the perception that females are bad at science, which is bad.

You do realise that this is hard evidence that females are bad at science, right? What's so wrong with perceiving the truth?

[Anonymous No.4734605]

>>4734592
I won't deny that, I dropped out and recently got my GED, I fucked up and I'll just have to make the best of it.

[Anonymous No.4734608]

>>4734601
As I said before, I believe that there are more male geniuses. That does not mean that females can't do science or that they should be encouraged to be bakers or some shit.

[Anonymous No.4734616]

>>4734608
You're neglecting structural differences in the brain between males and females.

[Anonymous No.4734620]

>>4734578
Everyone he interviewed was stupid, but I guess that's what you get when you interview people who support affirmative action. Good video anyway.

[Anonymous No.4734624]

>>4734616
I don't think that is as important as you think it is, obviously.

[Anonymous No.4734627]

>>4734608
>That does not mean that females can't do science or that they should be encouraged to be bakers or some shit
good, because women ultimately suck at being chefs as well.

I'd say they should stick to fashion or something, but gay men have them beat there as well.

[Anonymous No.4734633]

>>4734627
Does your mother know how you feel about women? i would be ashamed if I had a son like you.

[Anonymous No.4734637]

Admition should be based on your intellgence and ability and interest. Any other way of picking student is wrong since it's discriminative in a bad way.

[Anonymous No.4734639]

>>4734608
I don't see what your problem with bakers is, but leaving that aside... Are you racist/sexist in general, or are you just selfish and support discrimination because you enjoy the benefits of racism/sexism?

[Anonymous No.4734646]

>>4734639
I'm not a racist or a sexist in that I don't hate any group of people. I do believe in group differences. I've already admitted that men are smarter than women, in some ways, and I am a woman. I think there are racial differences as well.

I think discrimination is justified in some cases.

[Anonymous No.4734647]

>>4734551
>why?
Because growing up with guns and shit parents is a stupid fucking excuse to get piss poor grades.

It is true that there is some correlation between money and quality of education but when kids are turning down free shit like public libraries and skipping school they don't deserve a free ride into college. It undermines the work that other poor children put in to actually make something of themselves.

[Anonymous No.4734655]

I'm pretty sure it's one of the primary reasons that I was denied by one of my state universities. Let's accept that Hispanic student with lower stats over this white male student. Just because we can.

[Anonymous No.4734657]

>>4734633
My mother is a drunkard slag of a woman, she knows it and she knows that I know it.

[Anonymous No.4734659]

>>4734627
>fashion
>men
>Phoebe Philo
>Maria wise
>Marchesa-created by women

Learn your shit son.Women rule fashion.That said,bitches need to get the fuck out of my laboratory.

[Anonymous No.4734660]

>>4734657
I can see why you turned out the way you did, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.4734661]

>>4734655
yeah... sure...

[­Language reform guy !KHn8YK/x0g No.4734664]

It also reinforces stereotypes about blacks. Since if they can get in with AA, they will be less intelligent than their white/asian peers.

[Anonymous No.4734672]

>>4734659
>mfw all the stuff those fashion designers put out sucks

[Anonymous No.4734673]

>>4734646
So you think that men are smarter than women, and you believe that this is justification to give women preferential admission to academia? Do you think that the blind should be given preference in pilot training admission? Or do you not agree that the blind are disadvantaged in the piloting of aeroplanes?

[Anonymous No.4734678]

>>4734673
Statistical averages don't apply in individual cases. I just want to make sure that women aren't discouraged from trying to pursue science. Also, I think this should only apply to undergrad.

[Anonymous No.4734679]

>>4734660
I owe her a debt of gratitude, she started me on the path to becoming fully cognizant of the true nature of women.

[Anonymous No.4734681]

>>4734672
Dear god,the stench of your butthurt is overpowering.

Look man,we've got science and pretty much every fucking awesome thing ever.

Just accept it.

[­Language reform guy !KHn8YK/x0g No.4734684]

>>4734598
>Males probably are better at certain sciences because they are overrepresented at both ends of the IQ bell curve. There are more male retards, but also more male geniuses. It stands to reason that there will be more truly talented male scientists.

That is the old view. But actually the evidence seems to be going against it with better analysis. It seems that men are just smarter. This also fits with their larger brain, even corrected for body size. It wud be strange if the sexes were equally smart, but men had larger brains for no apparent reason.

See for instance:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606000250

[Anonymous No.4734686]

>>4734661
My SAT scores were well above the university's average and my GPA was in the university's range. But a Hispanic peer of mine was admitted and he took less challenging courses and had no extracurricular activities to show for. I really don't know.

[Anonymous No.4734689]

>>4734678
But you're proposing that men be discouraged from the pursuit of science by requiring a higher standard of them than from their female counterparts. Why is it okay to discourage men (who according to you are more intelligent) and not women?

[Anonymous No.4734691]

>>4734552
It probably will. Good night.

[Anonymous No.4734694]

>>4734681
>some women are shoveling mediocre product in the fashion industry
What a startling revelation, I truly am anally ravaged.

[Anonymous No.4734696]

>>4734655

No...

[Anonymous No.4734708]

>>4734696
Oh well, think what you'd like. It's not like I was denied by every university I applied to, just that one.

[Anonymous No.4734719]

>go on collegeconfidential acceptance threads
>females accepted everywhere
>males need huge list of accomplishments to get in

Post stats op

[Anonymous No.4734735]

white male

pro-AA

baww harder aspies

[Anonymous No.4734800]

>>4734694
Oh yes,please regale us with your list of vastly superior designers,I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.4734814]

>>4734800
Tommy Hilfiger is agreeably one of the most successful fashion designers in the world

Hugo Boss made all the uniforms for nazi's (arguably the snappiest dressers in all of war)

Do you listen to justin beiber and wear holister?
i bet you do

[Anonymous No.4734818]

>>4734800

No wait, you probably wear ed hardy, you fag

[Anonymous No.4734819]

Affirmative action is racist.

If you can't get into an institution on your own merit and ability, without any crutches, you shouldn't get in.

[Anonymous No.4734823]

Also don't give a fuck and white male, didn't stop me from getting into my university of choice.

[None !!w5CHYddUvhS No.4734831]

While I support affirmative action in practice, I oppose it in theory.

I will have no strong feelings either way, if the supreme court decides to rule it unconstitutional.

[Anonymous No.4734840]

>>4734544
>rewarding race instead of intelligence
>rewarding tits instead of intelligence
>implying I give a fuck that her people are violent, drug addicted morons
>implying I give a fuck if she feels butthurt that rich white men aren't violent, drug addicted
Yeah... sucks to be her, but why is it my responsibility? Why should I suffer because she really, really wants in on this education thing I needed a ridiculously good high school to achieve?

My point is, since when did emotion (her butthurt) replace logic? Why shouldn't our society be run on logic?

[Anonymous No.4734848]

Asian here. Fuck AA. I'm pretty bitter about it. Why the hell was my hard work devalued to make room for mediocrity? I was a 1st generation immigrant in a single mother family; we didn't have a whole lot of money, but I tried to make the best of it. Shit sucks. Eventually got into a top tier program, but only by transferring after freshman year.

[Anonymous No.4734851]

>>4734814
Tommy Hilfiger makes ill-fitted garbage.
>>4734818
No, I wear J. Crew.

Wouldn't expect you to understand why though.

[Anonymous No.4734852]

Affirimative action was one of those "sound byte solutions". It sounds great in the elevator speech. But in reality it screws people over. You should be judged on your merits not wether you have this heritage or this set of genitals.

I've had an issue with this ever since i was a kid. My dad got screwed out of a job because of affirmative action. The company made their entire workface a representation of the country. Such percent, white, such percent black, such percent mexican, etc. They flat out told my father he was the most qualified that applied, but they were looking for a black man to satisfy their quota.

[Anonymous No.4734858]

This reminds me of a math competition where projects were anonymously sent in and about 2/40 of the winners were female.

Yet all colleges have a 50% female rate. What.

[Anonymous No.4734861]

>>4734858
The opposite is probably true if it was an essay competition. There's so many fallacies it would take about 10 minutes to type them all out.

[Anonymous No.4734868]

>>4734861
It's no doubt that the proportion of females winning awards in math/science by total entered females is much less than the proportion for males. Women should not be equally represented with men in schools based on science and mathematics simply because women.

[Anonymous No.4734869]

>>4734861
>The opposite is probably true if it was an essay competition.
After you reach a certain point in essay writing, it's more about soft skills and appealing to the audience than it is about writing skills. For this, men are hugely represented at either end of the spectrum. Either you have near-aspies that can barely string together words, or you have the reincarnation of an ancient greek philosopher.

[Anonymous No.4734872]

Anybody who supports it is a racist and sexist no better than someone who hates black people. It shocks me it is even legal in America, they should be fining any university or workplace that does it tens of thousands of dollars per position filled in this discriminatory manner.

[Anonymous No.4734888]

>>4734872
>Anybody who supports it is a racist and sexist no better than someone who hates black people
It's only racist in a patriarchal way, such as assuming that minorities ARE inferior and therefore awarding them based on that assumed inferiority. That assumption and that compensation is what is actually racist/sexist.

This is what white people don't get, just because you're not acting negatively towards minorities does not mean you're not still acting racist.

At least it's not as bad as in Malaysia. If you're Chinese, you CAN'T get an education... at all.

[Anonymous No.4734892]

>>4734888
The average test scores of a black MIT/Ivy acceptant is lower than the average of Asians/whites. Surely this is not bad?

[Anonymous No.4734897]

>>4734888
You appear to be denying it is racist against whites and Asians and sexist against men when it is clearly all of those things as well as being patronising to those unfairly benefited by it. And I am pretty sure most of the people supporting it are hardly in favour of the 'patriarchy'.

[Anonymous No.4734904]

>>4734897
>You appear to be denying it is racist against whites and Asians and sexist against men
I'm just saying it's racist both ways.

Anyway, my university overpacked the classes to compensate for affirmative action. Affirmative action or not, they'd probably still accept about as many white/asian applicants.

[Anonymous No.4734926]

indian guy here. it gives me such a hard on to beat the white fag scum at his own game. have fun working for me in 20 years while i fuck your women you worthless snow niggers

[Anonymous No.4734930]

>>4734926
>while i fuck your women
Do you have any idea how disgusting the average white girl finds you? Hell, a lot of Indian girls even find Indian guys disgusting. What does it say about your race when the slightest amount of exposure to other races and people like you get laid less? Any biology fags here, I'm pretty sure a certain someone had a theory based on this...

[Anonymous No.4734936]

It's a good tool to help minorities become more educated/richer. Which will turn out more educated/richer kids that are minority.

My highschool is a dropout factory where kids die/ get pregnant/ quit to work. And most will have kids that well do the same.

I am also not sure if Affirmative action exist because you can't have point system or a quota so how does any federal mandate force them to hire. It's also not like there are smart minorities anyway.


I don't like the white kids who think i got in because of affirmative action. I am smarter than you bitch.

[Anonymous No.4734939]

>caring about affirmative action
>not having good enough scores to get accepted on the spot

lyl

[Anonymous No.4734940]

>>4734930
I have seen a study done on dating preferences that found Indians along with Middle Eastern people are excluded by well over 90% of white women in the study, may have been about 95%.

[­Language reform guy !KHn8YK/x0g No.4734949]

>>4734940
Differences are not that large, but they are significant. Here is some real data.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

[Anonymous No.4734951]

>>4734936
Did you have the grades to prove it though? And what makes you so sure that you are in fact smarter the white or asian kids who get screwed by AA?

[Anonymous No.4734955]

>>4734949
dem white devils.

[Anonymous No.4734966]

>>4734955
>implying whites are the preferred race for most non-white races
Survival of the fittest, etc.

[Anonymous No.4734967]

>>4734951
Where is the proof that Asians and whites get screwed?
All colleges have the minimum test score and all that get accepted have to be that good.

[Anonymous No.4734975]

>>4734967
Because the average scores that get accepted for asians and whites is higher; for every AA spot going to a less qualified hispanic, african american, etc there is a more qualified white or asian missing out.

I thought you were smart; did I really need to spell that out to you or are you just trolling me?

[Anonymous No.4734976]

While it's really easy to say AA is racist/sexist/etc, let me propose one scenario in which it may not be quite so bad.

Lets say you're a college admissions board. You only accept the top 95% of applicants. Lets say the top 2% are almost exclusively white and asian. Maybe there are a couple of black and latinos down in the 96/97 percentile. If you give them the bump over the 98/99ers, you are possibly giving them a chance despite the hardships they had to overcome (see op's comic). The white/asians in the 98/99 percentile are still amazingly quallified, so even if you reject them it will still be ridiculously easy for them to find another college who will take them.

Everyone is still highly qualified, but you want a balanced group of undergraduates, not some white sausage fest.

TLDR: The people that affirmative action displaces are still more likely to find an alternative job or college if you don't admit them over someone of another race. That being said, I still think it's retarded in practice.

[Anonymous No.4734980]

>>4734976
I think you mean the top 5% of applicants or the 95th percentile, not the top 95% of applicants.

You get in on AA tyrone?

[Anonymous No.4734983]

>>4734980
No, I got in on my 99th percentile ACT

[Anonymous No.4734984]

>>4734976
>even if you reject them it will still be ridiculously easy for them to find another college who will take them.
This shit, right here.

What if you're that top 4.99999999999% and you get bumped for AA reasons, chances are the next college you apply for isn't going to be nearly as good as the one you're being bumped for. You're basically depriving the slightly smarter white/asian guy for the less intelligent black/latino guy, simply because of racial reasons.

Sorry, but how is this not racist?

>you are possibly giving them a chance despite the hardships they had to overcome (see op's comic)
Why is this our responsibility? Why should I care if these people deliberately make their environment shitty? Don't shit where you eat, etc.

[Anonymous No.4734987]

>>4734984
Making shit up isn't a way to prove your point.

Sadly you have no proof to use so you have to make shit up.

[Anonymous No.4734991]

Anyone in /sci/ is going to get butthurt about this because the average /sci/ person is a white male undergrad majoring in [mediocre scientific subject here] at [mediocre college here].

Affirmative action is a tiebreaker. It is a strategy in admissions processes that produces a diverse student body without - at any point - choosing contrary to student qualifications.

Anyone in /sci/ who thinks admissions departments at universities and colleges start out by ranking everyone 1 through N and then taking those ranked highest -- you are an idiot, and are engineer-tier or stupider.

Suggested starting point for further reading:
http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/the-illusion-of-validity

[Anonymous No.4734993]

>>4734984
>
What if you're that top 4.99999999999% and you get bumped for AA reasons, chances are the next college you apply for isn't going to be nearly as good as the one you're being bumped for. You're basically depriving the slightly smarter white/asian guy for the less intelligent black/latino guy, simply because of racial reasons.
If your next best college isn't nearly as good as your primary choice, you fucked up in college choices.
When I applied, My first choice was Champaign, then Purdue. Champaign rejected me, so I went to Purdue. Purdue is literally just as good as Champaign, so why should I complain?

>Why is this our responsibility? Why should I care if these people deliberately make their environment shitty? Don't shit where you eat, etc.
It wasn't their choice to be born black, poor, and in a shitty neighborhood/go to a shitty school. Just like it wasn't your choice to be born middle class, going to a great school.

[Anonymous No.4734997]

>>4734987
Did you mean to reply to >>4734983
Because I actually do have proof. At least, proof of my academic scholarship. My ACT was like 6 years ago, I don't actually have the papers around still.

[Anonymous No.4734999]

>>4734993
>It wasn't their choice to be born black, poor, and in a shitty neighborhood/go to a shitty school.
No, it's their parents choice or their parents choice, and the damage is already done. Why should we have to compensate for a group of people who make every facet about themselves deficient.

Anyway, do you really think it's the lower class kids getting the AA treatment? Or do you think it's the middle class minorities getting the AA treatment?

>>4734993
>Purdue is literally just as good as Champaign
I actually applied for two courses at the same uni, bumped from one during the year they went from 70% local students to 50% local students (surprise, surprise) and ended up in the computer engineering rather than electrical engineering program. I do all the same subjects up till about third year (I skip everything more complex than power engineering), but I won't complain either: computer engineering is much more interesting and it's something I'm actually good at (really good at).

But I'm not everyone, I'm thinking about that one white kid who was told "better luck next year" and is now fucked, to make way for that black kid who probably grew up in the same middle class area.

[Anonymous No.4735009]

>>4734999
>Anyway, do you really think it's the lower class kids getting the AA treatment? Or do you think it's the middle class minorities getting the AA treatment?
That's not something I'm privy to knowing. I would think (hope) that they don't accept lil'weezey nigger from the hood just because he's the poor oppressed darkie, he would actually have to have some competitive academics. Remember that schools get paid more when their student retention is higher, because people dropping out 1 semester in only pay for 1 semester.

Same goes with jobs. If you hire someone significantly less qualified just because of AA, you are literally paying for someone to do a worse job, and that loses money. It makes more business sense to hold out for someone of equal qualification if you *really* need someone of another race/gender

But like I said, I am against it in practice, only conceptually does it make any sense. I'm arguing only one point.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.4735014]

Affirmative action is dumb.

[Anonymous No.4735015]

>>4735009
If you're going to get slammed by the public for being an evil racis' corporation then it's sound business sense to pay someone to do a worse job, simply because you avoid bad publicity/may even be able to get a little good publicity out of it.

[Anonymous No.4735019]

>>4734544
silly bitch, none of those things are important to the academic world. I've never even gone to college and even I know if you're not intelligent you won't truly benefit from it outside putting something on your resume. If anything affirmitive action is unfair to intelligent negroes because of the demeaning effect it creates by indroducing cretins to the educational system and furthering to make whatever they earn for themselves worth less since "he got in with affirmitive action not on his own merits"

or something. probably dont know what the fuck i'm talking about but I thought i'd give it a spin

[Anonymous No.4735020]

Affirmative action? Bad mojo.
Scholarships? Good.

[Anonymous No.4735021]

>>4734552
>mfw accurately predicted
sure is buttmad in here

[Anonymous No.4735024]

>>4735015
Take a look at how apple deals with their PR nightmare about their hiring practices.
They just don't give a fuck. And look how productive they are.

[Anonymous No.4735030]

>>4735020

You seem to totally be ignorant to the fact that that scholarships and admissions spots are not totally unrelated ventures. In fact, they are often precisely the same decision altogether.

[Anonymous No.4735033]

>>4735030
Then separate them. Duh

[Anonymous No.4735049]

>>4735033
DUUHHHHH XDXD

[Anonymous No.4735058]

>>4734888
>This is what white people don't get, just because you're not acting negatively towards minorities does not mean you're not still acting racist.

You understand that this is a racist comment, right?

[Anonymous No.4735059]

AA is racism, plain and simple.

University admissions should be based purely on merit, and preferrably anonymous (you get a number). Asking about race should be illegal.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.4735068]

>>4734888

>This is what white people don't get, just because you're not acting negatively towards minorities does not mean you're not still acting racist.

Wat

[Anonymous No.4735082]

>>4734976
>implying white people don't experience hardship.

[Anonymous No.4735097]

Affirmative action is retarded. I don't understand how this is allowed by your constitution.
Of course there are under represented minorities, but the answer is not to discriminate yet again.
A black girl who struggles against poverty, crime, gang related violence and drug abuse in her surroundings, and still manages to achieve well (but not excellent) in high school might honestly deserve to go to a top uni. But not because she is black or because she is female. Because she proved to have a strong will, and performed well despite adversity.
If you'd try to help her by discriminating, she still wouldn't get into the top uni, but the spoiled bell-air black girl will. And the white kid who grew up in similar surroundings will be even more disadvantaged.
Discrimination is never the answer. Solving the ghetto and poverty problem is the answer. How can you be a 1st world country, and still have areas that are more poor and more dangerous than the majority of the 3rd world countries.

[Anonymous No.4735118]

OV VEY, goyim.

[Anonymous No.4735121]

I strongly disagree with it, luckily I'm Canadian and don't have to deal with it.

[Anonymous No.4735251]

The funniest thing is that sort of AA thing was present in Soviet Union and some of it's satellite countries.
You were given extra admission points for Origin.

From non-english wiki:

Points for origin - part of measures aimed at reducing inequalities in access to education in the countries of real socialism. The points were to increase the chance of admission to universities of young workers and peasants. "Points for origin" were awarded during the entrance exam by adding them to the sum of points awarded for performance in various examinations and the evaluation of the certificate of matriculation. Deprived of them were the candidates whose families qualified as belonging to the category of "intelligentsia".

In theory good, these points were tool for the government to block or remove "unsuitable" candidates like children of anti-communistic opposition activists and other troublemakers.

[Anonymous No.4735272]

I support affirmative action, but not based on race.

I believe that a poor white man is more discriminated against than a rich black woman. So affirmative action should be based on socio-economic class and wealth rather than race.

This will STILL benefit the minorities, because minorities are disproportionately poor, but it will also help those white people who need it.

[Anonymous No.4735278]

>>4735121
Don't you give Inuit free beer?

[Anonymous No.4735279]

>>4735272
Second.

[Anonymous No.4735291]

Indifferent. As a student who performs at a very high level, it doesn't affect me.

It only affects average-to-low level students, the dregs of the college scene. So what if a black girl got in to a nursing program even though you had a 2.77 GPA and she had a 2.75

YOU'RE BOTH FUCKING MEDIOCRE

IF YOU WEREN'T A LAZY, MEDIOCRE STUPID PIECE OF SHIT, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU AFFECT YOU

[Anonymous No.4735295]

>>4735291
Do you attend the top university in your country?

[Anonymous No.4735296]

Private universities can do what they want.

Public should be governed as the majority sees fit.

Selection based solely on race and gender instead of best quality will damage the university over time and universities not doing that will become better, it is a self correcting system in that sense.

If it works then it works.

[Anonymous No.4735299]

Indifferent. As a student who performs at a very high level, it doesn't affect me.

It only affects average-to-low level students, the dregs of the college scene. So what if a black girl got in to a nursing program even though you had a 2.77 GPA and she had a 2.75.

YOU'RE BOTH FUCKING MEDIOCRE
IF YOU WEREN'T A LAZY, MEDIOCRE STUPID PIECE OF SHIT, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU.

QUIT BLAMING YOUR MEDIOCRITY ON BROWN PEOPLE AND GO GET BETTER GRADES

[Anonymous No.4735304]

>>4735299
Not sure why you reposted and deleted the first one, but...

>>4735295

[Anonymous No.4735305]

Affirmative action is racism. It is literally just as wrong as racism of the past we all condemn. Anything besides merit should be irrelevant for college admissions.

>mfw my country told racist EU bureaucrats to go fuck themselves when they demanded implementation of AA because racism is unconstitutional over here

[Anonymous No.4735308]

>>4735304
>Not sure why you reposted and deleted the first one, but...
Formatting and adding the last line

>>4735295
>Do you attend the top university in your country?
No.

[Anonymous No.4735310]

>>4735304
I do.

But there is no affirmative action here at all. Everyone qualified get accepted and you get to do a trial year and then about 50% are eliminated in the first test block.

The idea is that everybody gets to try and the best get to remain.

[Anonymous No.4735312]

>>4735308
Assuming that that is something you would have wished to do but weren't accepted for, then you may well have been affected by affirmative action, since the entry requirements for universities better than your current one are higher for you than blacks or hispanics.

[Anonymous No.4735314]

>>4735308
>>4735310
Dat dere contradictory answers. BEGONE IMPOSTER

[Anonymous No.4735315]

>>4735314
>BEGONE IMPOSTER
I did not claim to be him/her I just said what it is like here.

[Anonymous No.4735319]

>>4735312
You don't get it. It still only affects mediocre students who were riding the line and didn't get in because a couple of uppity negroes got in ahead of them.

I get in ahead of Asians and white people too because of my grades. Affirmative action has no effect on good performers.

[Anonymous No.4736986]

>>4734578
I know he probably just restricted the footage he showed us to the morons, but the fact that there are that many morons at University in the first place is just saddening.

I wish we'd place less emphasis on degrees and more on on site training and make University a place for the academically elite again.