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4726773 No.4726773 [Reply] [Original]

Is there actually evidence, as in how our early ancestors evolved, etc. that pure-black people are inferior to other races?

I don't mean statistics on crime, average IQ, etc. I mean real evidence.

>> No.4726778

No significant genetic differences between races. There are more anomalies and diversions within races than between them.

>> No.4726781

>>>/pol/3362969

Our board is full of white nationalists and libertarians so some of us want to know.

>> No.4726790

>>4726778
Why are tribes in South America who never made contact with the outside world so undeveloped, and never developed on their own?

Why are Africans so barbaric?

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4726795

>>4726781
>inviting the paultards and nazis from /pol/

What the fuck are you doing

>> No.4726797

>>4726790
Take a frosh intro to civilization course. Africa and China were far ahead of Europe before the middle ages. In summary, there were labour and social trends that led to an agricultural-industrial revolution of middle ages europe, then a resource shortage/desire that led to expansion.

>> No.4726799

No, there's none.
Stop trying to grab at straws that aren't there.
White people are not superior in any way.

Also, I'm white.

>> No.4726806

>>4726799
I don't believe in white nationalism though. I just want to see you guys debate the ones on /pol/ because they seem to actually have 'evidence' scientifically to back up their claim.

>> No.4726809

>>4726773
ou can't really say inferior. Nothing is "inferior" in this sense. The white race however is the next generation of the more darker apelike homoerectile niggrus.

>> No.4726813

>>4726809
So black Africans are less developed than Europeans?

>> No.4726822

>>4726797
I'm aware of that.

But why is it that Africans in America, even with affirmative action score so significantly lower on IQ tests? That they do most crime?

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4726826

Niggers are not people.

>> No.4726830

All of the IQ data says that whites are smarter than blacks. Even in adoption studies that control environmental factors.

But the same goes for asians being smarter than whites

And jews being smarter than asians.

>> No.4726828

>>4726813
Well, the blacks came from the apes and we came from the blacks. It's our heritage.

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4726829

Generally speaking, yes.

>> No.4726831

>>4726822
Obviously, IQ tests are invalid, as they should provide homogenous results among all people (which they do not, africa and some other major land area, as well as many cultures have lower than average scores)

>> No.4726832

>>4726828
>>4726826
See /sci/? This is all science.

If you deny this then you are not scientists.

>> No.4726835

>>4726806
Even if we did they probably wouldn't believe us.
If they're stupid enough to genuinely believe in something like that they probably wouldn't admit/listen to reason when they're wrong.
Mostly because they'd be letting go of the sense of superiority they got of being the best race.
Instead they'd just be normal, not special, with no "natural advantages" other the minorities.
I doubt they'd like that.

>> No.4726836

>>4726832
We are not a substantial mutation away from black-skinned people. There is simply an untriggered hormone in europeans' skin because of a different in sunlight spectrum on the European continent vs. the African continent.

>> No.4726838

We've had this same thread all the time by you /pol/ faggots.

Go away

>> No.4726839

>>4726831

Obviously you are trolling.

>> No.4726843

>>4726835

see
>>4726829
>>4726826

>> No.4726842
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4726842

>>4726836
>skin color
>the only difference between races

>> No.4726844

All races/sub-races are equel (excluding Indo-Mainland-Australoids since they're shit at everything) but individuals from each reace/sub-race are better than others.
Negroes produce more because they aren't built to last (i don't mean in the Moon sense were bits of their body falls off and they become limping disabled tards after a few years) they have a smaller survival rate so each Negroe is under-developed when compared to Aryan-Caucasoids (Quantity over quality)

>> No.4726846

>>4726842
Albinos don't count you retard. Race isn't just skin deep we know that.

But we are all still the same race. We can make fertile offspring together. HURR TIGER AND LION CAN TOO they can't because the offspring can't have children with another one like it. A mulatto can fuck another mulatto.

>> No.4726847

>>4726831

Obviously yard sticks are invalid, as all groups of people should have the same average height.

People in the netherlands are just as tall as people in vietnam. There is no substantial mutation that would make them different.

>> No.4726848
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4726848

Stephen Jay Gould, a renown scientists (R.I.P.) asserted in his book The Mismeasurement of Man that 19th century scientist Samuel George Morton:

1. Physically mismeasured skulls so that their cranial volumes would match his expectations about racial differences in cranial volume
2. Statistically manipulated population means by taking averages of individual skulls rather than averages of population averages, hence biasing his "Indian" means to be lower

Jason Lewis et al. pretty much demolish both claims. By remeasuring almost half the original skulls studied by Morton, they show that Morton did not inflate "Caucasian" cranial volumes at the expense of non-"Caucasians". Indeed, most of his measurements deviated only a little from those done today, and, in the few cases where large discrepancies were discovered, they were in the opposite direction of Morton's perceived bias.

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001071

>> No.4726855

>>4726829
Violent crime doesn't count. I mean actual hard evidence.

>> No.4726851

>>4726836
>race is skin deep

But it isn't. Black skulls look like chimps

>> No.4726853

>>4726835

Most of us are white and have no problem admitting that asians are more intelligent on average.

>> No.4726854

>>4726836
And bone structure...
Immune system...

Keep thinking, its just skin colour bro.

>> No.4726850

>>4726847
It's called nutrition.

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4726857

>>4726855

>> No.4726858

>>4726773
Any Anthropologist ever has evidence.

>> No.4726859

>>4726850

You really belive that? Do you really think that if you took vietnamease people and raised them on a dutch diet that they will have the same average height?

enjoy living in liberal fantasy land.

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4726863

>>4726857

>> No.4726864

>>4726857
Could easily me factored into MUH OPPRESSION

Try again, I actually mean genetically and not bullshit like that.

>> No.4726866

>>4726853
oh right, never mind then.

>> No.4726867

>>4726863
That doesn't count either

I keep saying it, are you stormfags dense? I mean actual genetic evidence that proves blacks are inferior. Not DURR IQ INCOME etc

SCIENTIFICALLY

>> No.4726868

>>4726859
After the 200 years we've had on good nutrition, yes, I do.

>> No.4726874

>>4726867
See
>>4726844
Now stop putting your hands over your ears and accept that IQ shows corilation with succes (even if it isn't 100% accurate)

>> No.4726875

>>4726867
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

>> No.4726878

>>4726868

You dont even understand how genes work, Your parents diet has nothing to do with your genes, get the fuck out.

>> No.4726879

>>4726778
It's not the quantitative differences that matter (ie, how many alleles are shared within-group and between groups and how many different), it's the qualitative differences that matter (which particular alleles are different).

>> No.4726880

>>4726844

R/K selection

>> No.4726882

>>4726867
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/07/average-brain-size-for-the-thr/

>> No.4726885

>>4726848

Other links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/a-mismeasured-mismeasurement-of-man/

http://dienekes.blogspot.mx/2011/06/stephen-jay-gould-incompetent-or-biased.html

>> No.4726888

>>4726878
Height is very related to nutrition. I'll leave it to you to find the medical journals supporting this, I have better things to do.

>> No.4726892

>>4726888

Yes, YOUR nutrition you fucking idiot. Your grandfathers nutrition has absolutely nothing to do with how tall you will be. So your 200 years point is fucking retarded.

If we randomly take a group of Dutch babies and a group of Vietnamese babies, and feed them the same food through their entire lives, the Dutch babies will be much taller.

Deal with it.

>> No.4726894

>/sci/
>hates biology with a passion
>suddenly experts on it when talking about "race"

>> No.4726897

What other real evidence is there than health, crime, intelligence, children to single moms, poverty, ...?

This doesn't imply that they are inferior. It means that they are worse adapted to modern societies than are whites. Jews and east asians are better adapted to those than whites, in some ways.

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4726898

Looks like the /sci/entists didn't expect this kind of resistance.

WPWW!

>> No.4726903

>/sci/entists get school bed neo-nazis

Oh wow I thought you guys were intelligent

>> No.4726907

>>4726903
>/sci/
>intelligent

It's a troll and psuedo intellectual circlejerk

>> No.4726908

>>4726898
>WPWW!

Because talking about white power on 4chan is accomplishing something

>> No.4726913

>>4726908
I wanted to end with a slogan and 14/88, SH or HH are a bit generic.

>> No.4726916

>>4726913

i think hes saying this entire neonazi bullshit is accomplishing nothing broseph ... i dont see you guys on the news killing niggers everyday

>> No.4726917

So /sci/ you're all intelligent but you fail to prove that other races are indeed less intelligent than whites.

Whites ftw!

>> No.4726918

>>4726894

More like:

>/sci/
>hates biology, anthropology and genetics with a passion
>suddenly experts on it when talking about "race"

>> No.4726915

>>4726885
>Gould

Stopped reading right there.

>> No.4726921

>>4726917
>ftw

Fuck you /pol/

>> No.4726922

>>4726897
>It means that they are worse adapted to modern societies than are whites
Or that they're worse adapted to white societies than are whites.

Although I do wonder why Africa is so underdeveloped compared to the western world.

>> No.4726928 [DELETED] 

>>4726917
asians beat us on IQ apparently
IIRC it goes like this
asians>whites>niggers>aborigines

not that IQ is THAT important, but w/e

>> No.4726929

>niggers
>people

lel

>> No.4726925

>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
>>4726826
FUCKING DISPROVE THIS /SCI/

>> No.4726930

>>4726898
>>4726903

Making questionable inferences from graphs is not schooling anyone, it's showing how uneducated you are with regards to statistics and science.

>> No.4726931

>>4726922

And Haiti and Jamaica.

And if you look at south american countries their standard of living is pretty much proportion to the whiteness of the population.

hmmm

>> No.4726941

>>4726930
>questionable inferences

It's right there on the fucking graph.

>> No.4726950

>>4726931
>their standard of living is pretty much proportion to the whiteness of the population
That proves that white people cause a high standard of living as much as it does that white people are drawn to countries with a high standard of living (which seems more likely). In other words, correlation =/= causation.

Other than that, I'd like to know why some areas have developed so little compared to Europe despite having as many or more natural resources and as favourable or more favourable climates for agriculture.

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4726951

>>4726928
Average IQ. Whites have more people on the right side of the Bell Curve.

Pic related

>> No.4726952

>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
>>4726875
don't ignore it faggots.
just because the avergae IQ for blacks is 85 or some shit doesn't mean that every black person has an IQ of 85. there are many blacks that have 100+ IQ and many whites that have 85 IQ.
I'm white and i'm perfectly fine with the fact that asians on average have a higher IQ than whites.
fucking pc faggots. the truth isn't politically correct! it doesn't have any agenda behind it. there is only one truth. and the truth is, there is such a thing as race. and whether or not white people want to preserve their race or not is their choice.

>> No.4726955

>>4726951
Source please?

>> No.4726958

>>4726950
Hint: It's because they're inferior

Why does a black mans skull resemble a chimps?

>> No.4726960

>>4726951

While I belive the bellcurve for whites probably is more broad, that graph is not proof at all. I dont know that any studies have really been done to prove it and part of the reason is that IQ tests tend to become inaccurate over the 120 mark.

>> No.4726964

>>4726955
http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

>> No.4726966

>>4726950
yeah this. seriously africa was so resource rich that we went and invaded the fuckers for it, why arent they more advanced? there are cultures there literally thousands of years behind, and without the aforementioned invasion (and judging from how the countries there are doing, seriously can you name me one country run by a full black guy that is working?), it seems unlikely the rest would be in any better shape

>> No.4726972

>>4726964
>http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm
>la griffe du lion

Are you fucking serious?

>> No.4726973

>>4726966
see
>>4726797

>> No.4726983

/SCI/ GETS TOLD

>> No.4726988
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4726988

>mfw /sci/entists are being anualy infiltrated by Stormfags

>> No.4726989

>>4726958
>Why does a black mans skull resemble a chimps?
Why shouldn't it? And does a black man's skull resemble a chimpanzee's, or does a chimpanzee's skull resemble a black man's?

>>4726966
But there were humans in Africa before there were humans in Europe, so the people in Africa should have developed societies before those in Europe. But, as far as I'm aware, that only happened in the Arab countries (Egypt and Mesopotamia for example) and nowhere else in Africa.

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4726991

>>4726790
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa
Some African tribes did actually built fairly civilized kingdoms.
Colonization did somewhat weaken those kingdoms and thus slow down the spreading of civilization across Africa, most colonies were exploitation colonies, so it didn't really participate to the development of civilization, unlike for the South African Republic.

It's like asking why are amazonian tribes so uncivilized when it is known that Conquistadors destroyed (even indirectly or unintentionally) the Aztec and Maya civilization.

And I'm not going for the "HURR WHITE MEN EXPLOITED POOR AFRICAN MEN", I'm just stating facts.

As for IQ, well I guess that black people are indeed less performing in analytic intellectual work, probably for both genetic and environmental reasons.
There are genetic differences between black people and white people (etc.), but determining if this difference is enough to say there is a racial difference is anecdotal for science.
And the only reasons non-scientists want to establish this, is to be able to justify unequal treatments between Black and Whites. But even proving that they are inferior to other "races" in every aspect (which isn't even remotely true, especially on a physical viewpoint) wouldn't be enough to treat them differently. We will always be the same species, and should have the same rights.

>>4726829
These correlation coefficient are really shitty, though. Posting this as evidence has to be a joke.

>>4726863
If this is true, it can be explained by the quota politic of the USA and, obviously, the fact that black people have a lower IQ in general.

>> No.4726996

>>4726973
I agree, but european culture still had to be advanced enough to actually GET to that point.

Also genuine question; how were african civilizations more advanced? I really dont know much about them

>> No.4727002

>>4726996

Mali empire: Richer at the time than every single european country combined. Let us not forget the scientific research found in the country. They discovered radians centuries before Roger Cotes did. And their work with astronomy was parelled to those of the mayans and Aztecs.

Ajuuraan empire: Powerful enough to destroy the Portuguese-oromo invaders and considered the best place to conduct business in the world.

Somalia pre-colonialism was considered the "white pearl of the indian ocean." The buildings were beautiful and historically rich. Of course the divide and conquer of the british, french and italians created an instability. Somalis weren't loyal dogs like the indians were when the british invaded. The dervish state gave rise and they fought, fought very hard and even tricked the british into giving them machine guns lol.
Of course this climate gavere-introduced the importance of the clan system that was basically dead during the ajuuraan era, and a russian puppet was put into power who was basically stalin 2.0 who killed anyone who opposed him.

Askum Empire: A powerful empire that rivaled the persians in wealth and the romans in military. Very rich in antiquity and has many obelisks remaining today.

Africa is capable of building a civilization. But, putting a bunch of ethnic groups who hated each other for centuries under the same flag will not create prosperity. The entire african continent is Yugoslavia 2.0.

>> No.4727003

>>4726996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_egypt

>> No.4727006

stats r 4 losers

>> No.4727011

>>4727003
>ancient egypt
>not white
>sumer
>not white

Try again. Sumerians and Ancient Egyptians were white. Egyptians fell as the population became darker.

>> No.4727013

>>4727003
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_egypt
Sumer was settled by non-semitic people aka whites.

>> No.4727018

>>4726996
Even when the Portuguese were starting to explore the continent, African cities were much better than European. They had paved roads, stone cities, and not exactly sewage systems but they weren't throwing their shit out their windows onto a dirt road.
The European catalyst has to do with the Plague causing social changes, mostly a labour shortage. Another large social change that led to the agricultural industry (not to be confused with the later industrial revolution) was christianity and monasteries, which were actually the first factories. By agricultural industry I refer to Europe's never before seen widespread localized (by localized I mean in low-population areas, whereas in Mesopotamia, Rome, these methods were isolated to major cities) use of water and wind power. Basically, Europe was a fluke.

>> No.4727021

>>4727002
Thanks for the answer, I feel slightly embarrassed that the only one Ive heard of was the Mali, and I had no idea they were so advanced lol. Whats with Africa today then? Because the country lines are from the old colonial times, so theres tribal issues?

>> No.4727024

>>4727021
You know the WHITE MAN KEEPIN DEM DOWN argument? It is partially true.

Europeans made borders for African continents with ethnic groups who despised each other in the same country, which led to problems. Of course it isn't all Europeans fault, Africans need to get their shit together.

>> No.4727033

>>4727024
lol I love /sci/, at one minute its all HURR FULL RETARD CHIMPS, the next a polite discussion. Thanks for the answer, thought I remembered reading something along those lines.

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>>4726848
>>4726885

And nobody replied to this at all except for one guy. Feels good man. What does this have to do with OP's post after all? Well, Samuel Morton basically said that blacks were inferior and child-like based on his measurements of skulls, and scientists proved that most of his measurements were correct (though they never said anything racist).

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/may/is-there-a-genetic-basis-to-race-after-all

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/genetic-breakthrough-that-reveals-the-differences-between-
humans-425432.html

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/the-myth-that-all-geneticists-say-thre-is-
no-such-thing-as-race/

>>4727003

>Ancient Egypt
Yeah, built by Caucasians and Middle-Easterners.

>> No.4727058

>>4727042
>basing behavior and intelligence presumptions on skull shape or size
The IQ and brain size correlation is interesting, but saying they are 'child-like' based on skull shape. You're a fucking idiot and that's why no one is replying to you.

>> No.4727059

>>4726925
There is nothing to disprove (unless the document is completely fallacious).
The only thing is that the interpretation is wrong. There are genetic differences between races, and black people are the furthest from us. It just doesn't mean they are not homo sapiens and does even less mean that they are inferior to us.
Actually, science will never be able to say "This race is superior to another" simply because it doesn't mean shit.
You can't just rate races, there are too many parameters. You could even say it is mathematically impossible to do so because multidimensional sets can't be totally ordered. apart from the lexicographic order which makes the first parameter more important than the others.

>> No.4727098

>>4727058

>but saying they are 'child-like' based on skull shape.
>Implying I ever said that

Babby has reading problems, it seems. No-one replied to me because it's science, real science.

/sci/entists should just stick to math and physics.

>> No.4727101

>>4726848
>Gould

lolokay

>> No.4727118

bump for scientists being told

>> No.4727136

bamp

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>>4727118

>/sci/
>Smart on anything other than Physics or Mathematics

>> No.4727155

>>4727058
I don't think one can prove child-likeness so easy from skulls. It might be possible to locate some neonatal traits in the skulls, but it does not come from size alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

>> No.4727182

>>4727118
>hurr look skull size, me great anthropologist
>durr black people dumb, black people inferior

You sure told us.

We always knew that there were genetic differences between ethnic groups. If there weren't any differences we wouldn't look different and there wouldn't be any ethnic groups.

All you've done is posting articles stating that we discovered new genetic differences between ethic groups and then you jump to the conclusion that some groups are inferior to others, without even defining what inferior means.
All this only shows that black people have a slightly smaller skull and a lower IQ, it doesn't make them "inferior". Moreover it is known that the size of the brain is not as important the number of connection between the neurons in the brain.

Also,
>biology
>science

>19th century biology
>even close to anything slightly related to science

>> No.4727184

>>4727155
shut up race traitor

>> No.4727196

>>4727184
shut up you pathetic inbred retard

>> No.4727200

>>4727182
>...black people have a slightly smaller skull and a lower IQ, it doesn't make them "inferior".
>smaller skull and a lower IQ
>doesn't make them "inferior".

Yeah, right.

>> No.4727213

>>4727200
Inferior is subjective. Define inferior.

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>>4727196

Inbreeding is not a problem in Western nations, my friend.

>> No.4727279

>>4727200
Black people are healthier, stronger, faster, more fertile and have a wider gene pool.
I don't see how the shape of the skull can make someone "inferior" to someone else.
As for IQ, it only measure a few aspects of intelligence and saying that someone is inferior because they got more answers wrong than you is retarded.
You can say that you are smarter than most black people if you want, but I'm smarter than you and it doesn't give me more rights.
It is even true that there are difference in intelligence between males and females, so you can have all the fun you want on internet forums now, happy ?

But if you want to ask to science if an ethnic group (a race if you like the word) can be qualified of inferior to another, then you either have to:
>give us a clear definition of "inferior"
>let us choose a adequate definition for "inferior"
Now, I don't think science will be able to define "inferior" correctly because you can't order completely a set made of a group of more than two numbers (a,b,c,...) in a meaningful way.
So it leaves you the honor to choose the definition of "inferior" (or "superior")

>>4727222
>people marrying when they share the same family name
>even close to actual inbreeding
Black people have a wider gene pool. If you want, you can try race mixing, you'd get a larger gene pool too.

>> No.4727858

just look at africa