/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4716801]

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15611031/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/could-our-big-brains-come-neandert
hals/

>Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift — a gene that helped them develop superior brains, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.
>They noted that this D allele is very common in Europe, where Neanderthals lived, and more rare in Africa, where they did not. Lahn said it is not yet clear what advantage the D allele gives the human brain.

What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.4716806]

>what does this mean?

absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.4716808]

>>4716801
>What does this mean?
That racism is totally okay.

[Anonymous No.4716811]

>>4716801
That a bunch of ignoramuses with racist tendencies will rejoice and scream "we told you so" before proper research has been carried out to map the implications of this.

[Anonymous No.4716814]

It means that niggers are genetically inferior.

[Anonymous No.4716817]

>>4716811
This.

It will just give idiots reasons to be racist when there's nothing known about this discovery.

[Anonymous No.4716832]

This mean a particular allele of a particular gene, that could come from neanderthals, appears more often outside africa than inside.

[Anonymous No.4716838]

>>4716817
>IT'S RACIST EVERYTHING IS RACIST BRAINS AND GENES ARE RACIST IQ SCORES ARE RACIST YOU'RE A RACIST DON'T EVER CALL BLACKS INFERIOR IN ANYTHING THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHITE PEOPLE YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST GENES ARE RACIST SCIENCE IS RACIST DNA IS RACIST THE PAST IS RACIST

[Anonymous No.4716849]

>>4716838
No, it's not the data you vomit up that's racist. It's just you.

[Anonymous No.4716857]

Feeding the troll, but what can you do.

>>4716838
Your graphs prove nothing in terms of superiority or inferiority based on genetics and race, what they show is a social problem.

[Anonymous No.4716858]

>gene microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size during development

Well, shit. Forget the white pride crap. The real question is, how soon can we hack together a superior version of this gene and get started on creating a race of geniuses?

[Anonymous No.4716861]

>>4716858
>a race of geniuses

It already exists

[Anonymous No.4716865]

>>4716861
Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.4716868]

>/sci/
>everything in nature is equal!

I forgot this is a 2+2=5 society.

[Anonymous No.4716870]

>>4716838
Do you know what a correlation coefficient is ?
>0.81
>0.36
>0.35
>0.37
These are shitty correlation coefficients, it means that all these graphs are meaningless.

[Anonymous No.4716871]

>>4716858

Brain size means almost nothing in regard to intelligence. It's the concentration of neurons and the speed of the connections.

[Anonymous No.4716873]

>>4716857

Black people have on average higher levels of testosterone than white people.

Higher testosterone is associated with increased aggressiveness and lower intelligence.

Ergo black people are more aggressive and les intelligent (on average of course).

Also, Minessota transracial adoption study.

[Anonymous No.4716874]

>>4716857
>Your graphs prove nothing in terms of superiority or inferiority based on genetics and race, what they show is a social problem.
>social problem

[Anonymous No.4716875]

>>4716838
>poverty

Thats because white people have had generations upon generations to pull their families out of poverty with their well established fountains of wealth.

Also that violence chart is entirely bs, black people at least are one of the most passive groups of people in the world. They let you shit all over you and do nothing for the most part. Just because all of the misdemeanors that white people do aren't recorded as crimes doesn't mean that they don't do it more. In fact, white people have a history of killing MILLIONS of other people, they are way more violent, we just don't record it as such.

My sources? World wars, taking over america, the shit that went down in rome, etc.

[Anonymous No.4716876]

>>4716868
No, but a board where people are generally more capable of critical thinking and a more objective evaluation of data rather than desperately taking anything sounding remotely relevant and calling it irrefutable evidence for one's own bigoted beliefs.

[Anonymous No.4716879]

>>4716875
>You right now

[Anonymous No.4716881]

>>4716875
That is just retarded.
I will not be held responsible for what my ancestors did.
Also, the reason Europe was more brutal was because they had the ability to be that. Any other technologically superiour outwards oriented society would've done the same.

[Anonymous No.4716889]

oh boy

[Anonymous No.4716891]

>>4716875

You dont know shit.

My sources? Actually living in an area infested with black people.

[Anonymous No.4716898]

>>4716891
Yeah, poor people. Poor white trailor trash places also shoot eachother like its the wild west too, no one gives a fuck though, because they are white.

[Anonymous No.4716900]

>>4716898
Actually poor white people tend to be rural and live in a wide geographic distribution, with predictable effects on crime.

[Anonymous No.4716904]

Feels good to be white master race.

[and ASPM are associated with general mental ability, head circumference or altruism No.4716905]

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/2007BiolLetters.pdf
>We test the hypothesis that polymorphisms of the brain regulator genes MCPH1 and ASPM contribute to variations in human brain size and its correlates.We measured general mental ability, head circumference and social intelligence in 644 Canadian adults (496 Caucasians, 36 Orientals, 84 Mixed Race/Other and 28 Blacks; 257 men and 387 women). The gene polymorphisms were assessed from buccal DNA; mental ability by Wonderlic Personnel Test and Multidimensional Aptitude Battery; head circumference by stretchless tape; and social intelligence by prosocial attitude questionnaires. Although all measures were construct valid and the allele frequencies showed expected population differences, no relationship was found between the genes and any of the criteria. Among Caucasian 18–25 year olds, for example, the two mental ability tests correlated with each other (rZ0.78, NZ476, p!0.001), with head circumference (rZ0.17, NZ182, p!0.05) and with prosocial attitudes (rZ0.23, NZ182, p!0.001).

[Anonymous No.4716906]

[Anonymous No.4716907]

>>4716898

Many people believe that crime is a product of poverty and lack of "advantages." However, the District of Columbia, which enjoys the highest average annual salaries and is second only to Alaska in personal income per capita, leads the nation in just about every category of crime including murder, robbery, aggravated assault, and vehicle theft. D.C. also has the country's strictest gun control, highest police costs per capita, highest ration of police and correctional officers per citizen, and highest rate of incarceration. Its permanent population is over 80% Black. West Virginia, which has the nation's lowest crime rate, suffers from chronic poverty and has the highest unemployment in the U.S. It also has the fewest police per capita. West Virginia is over 96% White.

[Anonymous No.4716910]

>>4716900
I'm not talking about generalizations, I'm being specific like you were. There are also black people that live in canada that don't do 1/10 of the amount of stupid things that they do in the US either. Most of the US' problems are culture related. Mostly the fear culture that gun stores and those home protection devices profit off of. Seriously, go check out Canada's crime rate compared to ours.

[Anonymous No.4716912]

>>4716871
>Brain size means almost nothing in regard to intelligence.

http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2009%20IJN.pdf
>We review the literature on the relation between whole brain size and general mental ability (GMA) both within and between species. Among humans, in 28 samples using brain imaging techniques, the mean brain size/GMA correlation is 0.40 (N = 1,389; p < 10-10); in 59 samples using external head size measures it is 0.20 (N = 63,405; p < 10-10). In 6 samples using the method of correlated vectors to distill g, the general factor of mental ability, the mean r is 0.63. We also describe the brain size/GMA correlations with age, socioeconomic position, sex, and ancestral population groups, which also provide information about brain–behavior relationships. Finally, we examine brain size and mental ability from an evolutionary and behavior genetic perspective.

[Anonymous No.4716915]

[Anonymous No.4716918]

>>4716801
What evidence do they have that the gene came from Neanderthals aside from the fact that it appeared before they went extinct?

[Anonymous No.4716921]

>>4716915
Oh wow. Biology isn't even a hard science and you fail at it. They lions are subspecies because under ordinary circumstances they don't mate, which you may guess because Asia isn't a part of Africa.

If you took all the white people on earth and made a colony on Mars, then you could probably say one is a subspecies of the other. (Most likely whites being the subspecies.)

[Anonymous No.4716922]

>>4716915

So who de we put as subespecies? the caucasin or african humans?

[Anonymous No.4716928]

>>4716921

Whites and Negros also dont mate under ordinary circumstances. Its all either negros raping white women, or jews brainwashing them into race-mixing.

[Anonymous No.4716930]

>>4716915
>theyz a different color which iz eazy to see and those lionz just look like lionz so obviously they are less different than blacks and whites
Sounds like racists' reasoning to me.

[Anonymous No.4716932]

>>4716922
>>4716921
>butthurt
>RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
>FACTS AND SCIENCE AND INTUITION ARE ALL SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS!!
Sure is Liberal twilight zone in here. Hey guys, got any Ayn Rand books I could borrow?

[Anonymous No.4716936]

>>4716928
> racist fantasy world

[Anonymous No.4716937]

>>4716928
I see you've given up all pretense of not being a troll.

[Anonymous No.4716939]

Race is just a geographical factor of a social construct.

[Anonymous No.4716941]

>>4716932
>Ayn Rand
>liberal
And a stupid troll to boot.

[Anonymous No.4716942]

>>4716922
>So who de we put as subespecies? the caucasin or african humans?

[Anonymous No.4716943]

>>4716932
I actually own reprints of the Objectivist newletter, Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead and We the Living. And am a flaming liberal. What now faggot?

[Anonymous No.4716947]

>>4716943
>>4716941
>taking jewish philosophy seriously
>2012
ISHIGIDIGGIDY

[Anonymous No.4716963]

Blacks will always be the shit of humanity when whites disappear and asians, hispanics and middle easterns take over blacks will continue being shit

[Anonymous No.4716968]

Hey /sci/, just a heads up. /pol/ linked this thread and they're coming here in force.

Goodluck and godspeed, /sci/entists. Give 'em hell.

[Anonymous No.4716986]

>>4716922
both races are already the same subspecies, H. sapiens sapiens.

if you mean sub-subspecies we'd call that "race."

[Anonymous No.4716990]

>>4716968
>in force

all three of 'em?
shit.

[Anonymous No.4716993]

If you are an anti-racist you are a science denying piece of shit. You are the same exact thing as a creationist.

[Anonymous No.4717002]

>>4716986

http://www.goodrumj.com/Mayr.html
>There are words in our language that seem to lead inevitably to controversy. This is surely true for the words "equality" and "race." And yet among well informed people, there is little disagreement as to what these words should mean, in part because various advances in biological science have produced a better understanding of the human condition.

>Let me begin with race. There is a widespread feeling that the word "race" indicates something undesirable and that it should be left out of all discussions. This leads to such statements as "there are no human races."

>Those who subscribe to this opinion are obviously ignorant of modern biology. Races are not something specifically human; races occur in a large percentage of species of animals. You can read in every textbook on evolution that geographic races of animals, when isolated from other races of their species, may in due time become new species. The terms "subspecies" and "geographic race" are used interchangeably in this taxonomic literature.

[Anonymous No.4717012]

>>4717002
except in humans we've already named a subspecies, it is 'sapiens' and it includes all living humans.

quoting someone that disagrees doesn't change anything really. You need MOST people to disagree for 100 years or so to get a different usage in place.

Most taxonomists don't really care what stormfags want, so odds are slim the usage will stick.

sorry.

[Anonymous No.4717025]

>>4717012
>quoting someone that disagrees doesn't change anything really. You need MOST people to disagree for 100 years or so to get a different usage in place.

I think Ernst W. Mayr is more representative of the opinion of experts than some random guy on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.4717028]

>>4717025

No one cares what some racist old fart has to say.

[Anonymous No.4717029]

>>4717012

well, you can use whatever term you want to describe more closely related groups easily distinguished by their inherited phenotypes, but that's all that anyone means when they use the word "race" in their description of humanity. if there were no races then bitches would all be popping out multicoloured babies at random. and the differences between these distinct phenotypes are not confined to the skin.

[Anonymous No.4717031]

>>4717012

>Most taxonomists don't really care what stormfags want, so odds are slim the usage will stick.

most taxonomists also do not deny the existence of race.

[Anonymous No.4717036]

>>4717025
the thing is, what he said is technically accurate but doesn't apply specifically to humans.

he's saying race exists in animals in the form of subspecies.

this is true enough, but doesn't mean the inverse is true- that subspecies in humans is equal to race.

the fact that you don't understand this tells me you're too stupid to get my explanation as well.

it's ok. if we ever kill off morons of any race you'll be among the first ones against the wall.

[Anonymous No.4717038]

>>4717031
I didn't deny race, I said it's not equal to subspecies in humans.

we can't argue if you can't read.

[Anonymous No.4717039]

>>4717028

>he's racist
>he's old
>therefore we should not care

James Watson is also a racist old fuck, but most people still value his opinion.

[Anonymous No.4717041]

>>4717036

>it's ok. if we ever kill off morons of any race you'll be among the first ones against the wall.

liberal compassion in its purest form

[Anonymous No.4717044]

>>4717041
I'm a conservative elitist, much like most racists.

I don't care what color your skin is. If you're stupid I want you dead. Most racists are stupid.
An anon that can't comprehend the most basic of human taxonomy is stupid.

[Anonymous No.4717045]

>>4717036

>this is true enough, but doesn't mean the inverse is true- that subspecies in humans is equal to race.

Then, in your infinite intelligence, what definitions of race and subspecies do you use?

[Anonymous No.4717048]

>>4717044

>most racists are stupid

silly anon, everybody is racist. Some only at an unconscious level, but everybody is racist. It is therefore impossible that most racists are stupid.

[Anonymous No.4717050]

>my first time browsing /sci/
>see this thread
>mfw

[Anonymous No.4717053]

>>4716838
weird how all those lines of best fit have roughly the same gradient but the x axis for percentage of minorities goes up to 70% whereas the other go up to much less making it look like the gradient of crime/minorities is higher than other factors

[Anonymous No.4717054]

>>4717045
We don't define race or subspecies. We describe them and name them. Definitions never work.

I use standard descriptions which can be found by googling "Homo sapiens sapiens," and any list of races you prefer. There is no particular agreement among morphologists regarding human races, nor does there need to be.

[Anonymous No.4717055]

>mfw both stormfronters and neoliberals are both retarded.

why do seperate races being subspecies of the human race have to be a bad thing? The seperate races were almost completely geographically isolated for thousands of years; only in the last few hundred has racial mingling been a reality, and even still the vast majority of society today is separate.

This thread is tantamount to liberals holding their hands over their ears and screaming while the stormfronters tell them something they are probably right about, right before they go back to fucking themselves up the ass with hitler dildos.

[Anonymous No.4717056]

>>4717039
>James Watson is also a racist old fuck, but most people still value his opinion.

They should, but unfortunately they don't.

[Anonymous No.4717067]

>>4716915

>A problem for Caucasian human preservation since their population is much smaller than the African human population
>suddenly the Illuminati existing makes perfect sense

[Anonymous No.4717064]

>>4717048
>everybody is racist

maybe. I'm white. I find white people disgusting.

[Anonymous No.4717069]

>They noted that this D allele is very common in Europe, where Neanderthals lived, and more rare in Africa, where they did not. Lahn said it is not yet clear what advantage the D allele gives the human brain.

Welp.

[Anonymous No.4717070]

god damn social issues are a fucking joke. No let's ignore reality and hold hands and sing songs everyone is exactly the same all of the time science is just white supremacists trying to make everyone look different.

[Anonymous No.4717072]

>>4717055
race equaling subspecies isn't bad or good, it's just incorrect. It's like you're asking why spelling taxonomy as "tackzumuny" is bad.

it isn't bad, it's wrong.

[Anonymous No.4717074]

>>4717055
Probably because neoliberals are paranoid of acknowledging ANY difference will become an excuse to persecute any particular race. Which is sort of understandable given how stormfags behave and humanity's track record in general.

[Anonymous No.4717076]

>>4717054

>There is no particular agreement among morphologists regarding human races, nor does there need to be.

There is actually, since pathological issues often tend to be influenced by race.

>>4717056

Thus showing their hypocrisy

>>4717064

How's that liberal brainwashing going for ya? What makes you possibly hate your own race?

[Anonymous No.4717080]

>>4717064

what kind of "white"? "my skin is light so I must be white" white or pip pip cheerio anglo-saxon white.

also enjoy your race guilt faggot.

[Anonymous No.4717082]

>>4717064

let me guess, you're a jew who thinks his pale skin makes him white.

[Anonymous No.4717087]

>>4717076
if you're honestly this stupid and unloved you might consider just ending it all. Hell, take some of your neighbors out with you. Liberal ones if you can find them.

[Anonymous No.4717088]

>>4716889
>whites
>average as fuck

feels ok man

[Anonymous No.4717085]

>>4716889
>First intercourse: Earlier Intermediate Later
Compared to what? Where did that come from?

[Anonymous No.4717090]

>>4717088

It's because we were mixed with niggers at some point, even if we are white.

We have the best and the worst, which makes us the average.

Also, why do asians have squinty eyes?

[Anonymous No.4717093]

>>4717082
Scots irish

it's a looks thing. I think white people look weak and unhealthy. I prefer to stick my dick in hispanics, but blacks are good too.

also of course the white race is doomed. I want my kids on the winning side and that aint white.

[Anonymous No.4717094]

>>4717087

>if you're honestly this stupid and unloved you might consider just ending it all.

TL
>I think i'm too smart to post counterarguments and rather withdraw in my fragile mental world while projecting my problems upon others

stop wasting my time

[Anonymous No.4717095]

it's just like picking a race in skyrim.
Human Base Stats
WHITE:
Strength: 5
Perception: 7
Endurance: 5
Charisma: 7
Intelligence: 7
Agility: 4
Luck: 5

BLACK:
Strength: 7
Perception: 5
Endurance: 7
Charisma: 5
Intelligence: 3
Agility: 8
Luck: 5

Asian:
Strength: 3
Perception: 8
Endurance: 4
Charisma: 4
Intelligence: 9
Agility: 5
Luck: 5

[Anonymous No.4717096]

>>4717090

squinty eyes are an adaptation to something, i dont know what though, i actually have to write a paper on human adaptation, only 1250 words, but i cant think of a single fucking interesting topic

[Anonymous No.4717098]

>>4717096

I'd say asian eyes is a good topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

[Anonymous No.4717099]

>>4717096
>i actually have to write a paper on human adaptation, only 1250 words, but i cant think of a single fucking interesting topic

Human penis length.

[Anonymous No.4717102]

>>4717094
you haven't understood a thing I've said so far, I figure third-grade insults are about your reading comprehension level, dick nose. I don't really hate you, I'm just not getting through your thick skull.

[Anonymous No.4717101]

>>4717093

>the white race is doomed

With such a mentality yes, you spineless piece of shit. And don't think your children will be on the winning side either; the black hordes will pursuit them like they did with the mulatto's in Haiti, and if a white dictator were to seize power, he'd kill them for being racially impure.

Also, maybe if you'd move to a warmer climate, you might actually find white people who can tan.

[Anonymous No.4717104]

>>4717096

Lactose (in)tolerance, Relation between skin color and Vitamin D in diet, Virulence of Old World diseases in the New World, etc.

[Anonymous No.4717106]

>>4717101
nah, the pure specimens of any race will be outnumbered by the time we get done impregnating all their bitches.

the future is mixed-brown. it'll be fine, you'll be gone though.

[Anonymous No.4717107]

>>4717104

We covered all of those in class and I think she wants us to do something that wasn't already covered in class. I'm not really sure, shes one of those boater teachers who directions are usually vague...

[Anonymous No.4717110]

>>4717102

from the very beginning you have been condescending and without any arguments.

Also, which one of those three were you? The one who actually thought there is no reason to classify race, thus showing that he knows nothing about the pathological consequences of race?

Or were you the self hating white? You see, i can only guess since you did only throw an insult, rather than actually responding. It's basic debate and discussing skills.

[Anonymous No.4717115]

>>4717106

>the future is mixed-brown. it'll be fine, you'll be gone though.
>he actually thinks people don't prefer their own race

hahaha

[Anonymous No.4717117]

>>4717106

There's still a shit load of communities that are exclusively white and "racism" is growing more and more everywhere all over the world, because we whites are being pushed over way too much.

[Anonymous No.4717121]

>>4716838
what fucking states are the ones that are way higher than the LOBF?

[Anonymous No.4717124]

>>4717110
it doesn't matter who I am, you don't understand. I can't argue with you if you can't understand.

Mostly I'm the one that wants to kill morons. I'm also the one that sees that you are a moron. I think you suspect that you're stupid, that's why you insist on claiming to be smart like me just because you're white like me.

We also both have noses
that doesn't make you smart either

[Anonymous No.4717126]

Italian master race reporting in. How does it feel to be inferior?

[Anonymous No.4717128]

>>4717093

>white race
>doomed

I'm not sure how to answer this, because the only way whites are disappearing is through lack of breeding and i don't see that happening. Caucasians are just too good at warfare, it's in our blood.

[Anonymous No.4717130]

>>4717126
>Italian master race reporting in. How does it feel to be inferior?

You are only part of the Italian mater race if you are from Northern Italy.

[Anonymous No.4717132]

>>4717128
we're going out by lack of breeding and breeding with other races. That's also in our blood. The entire Latino thing is an example of what happens when you get white dudes near brown women.

War is in the blood of all humans.

If Apaches had as many warriors as the US Army we'd be the united states of apacheland.

[Anonymous No.4717135]

>>4717126
>>4717130

http://youtu.be/55fR6UUFH-A?t=6m20s

[Anonymous No.4717139]

>>4717124

>wants to kill morons
>has no idea how to properly argue

also, i take your inability to respond to my arguments as a flaw. You are not as clever as you think you are.

For example, why do you think there is no reason to classify race, when there is evidence that the race of an individual has a strong effect on the probability to contract certain diseases (embryological defects, type 2 diabetes, certain forms of cancer etc.)

[Anonymous No.4717144]

>>4717135

Sicilians, the mouliyans of italy, lmao!

[Anonymous No.4717149]

>What does this mean?

It means...so what?

>Thinking Neanderthals were something special

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis

>Thinking bigger brains means anything now

http://news.discovery.com/human/shrinking-brains-intelligence-110207.html

http://phys.org/news/2011-02-brains-smarter.html

>Taking the info about africans being much less intelligent on face value

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121155220.htm

>Not being a gentleman and placing links to research more than a page long on african intelligence

http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/wicherts2009.pdf
http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/wicherts2010AFRrejoinder.pdf
http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/wichertsRavenAfr2010.pdf

>More stuff

http://wicherts.socsci.uva.nl/wichertsPAIDrejoinder.pdf

tl;dr;

Neanderthals having big heads is nothing too special and african ancestry having slightly inferior genetics doesn't mean as much as you were hoping.

Fun fact, do you know fractal math and art is prevalent in most of african culture despite them supposedly being considered shit in mathematics itself?

[Anonymous No.4717151]

>>4717132

>If Apaches had as many warriors as the US Army we'd be the united states of apacheland.

they did not invent guns, they still would have lost.

[Anonymous No.4717154]

>>4717132

obviously all humans are into warfare, but Caucasians just really have a knack for it. alexander the great spreading right across the eurasian continent for no real reason, Europe creating colonies all over the world, that sort of thing.

Asians most likely would've held their own in battle but we'll never really know.

[Anonymous No.4717159]

>>4717139
>why do you think there's no reason to classify race...

because race changes too quickly for the classification to survive. It's like trying to nail water to the ground.

we classify it and name it anyways, just like we gave you a name when you were born, but when you die your name means nothing.

similarly when I fuck a girl of a different race our kid's race is something new. His kids are something new as well, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

[Anonymous No.4717163]

>>4717151

Are you implying that Europeans invented guns?

[Anonymous No.4717164]

>>4716873


...Does this mean that women are the master gender?

I'm calling bullshit, sir. When is testosterone "associated" with those things? In pop culture?

[fag !QualiaRiEg No.4717166]

>>4717163
they invented good guns

[Anonymous No.4717169]

>>4717151
they managed to beat the US cavalry in several engagements, with guns that they didn't invent even.

they also wiped out much of Mexico's northern army, though that's not too tough to do.

[Anonymous No.4717171]

Race is a social construct created by bigoted old white men

[Anonymous No.4717172]

>>4717163

He's illustrating that Europeans had guns and the Apache's didn't. The inventors are kinda irrelevant. DDDUUUUHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.4717167]

>>4717149

Not OP, but none of that implies that race and intelligence cannot strongly influence one and another.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15651931

And of course don't forget the fact that it's a very sensitive subject, which makes decent research scarce.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.html?
mod=blogs

[Anonymous No.4717173]

>>4717167
anyone linking to the wall street journal in a science forum should be auto-banned

[Anonymous No.4717175]

>>4717149

I don't know why environmentalists in the IQ debate are so gung-ho about criticizing Richard Lynn's IQ estimates for African states as too low. If you stop to think about it, Wicherts claims about the higher IQ of sub-Saharan Africans seems like an argument for genetic determinism. Despite the massive deprivations of poverty, lack of education, etc blacks in Africa only have slightly lower IQ's than blacks in developed nations. Once you add in white admixture then you have genes accounting for the entirety of the difference between Sub-Saharan blacks and blacks in first world nations.

[Anonymous No.4717176]

>>4717050
This is some shit that /pol/ brought here.
I haven't seen this shit in months.

[Anonymous No.4717177]

>>4717172

Do you truly believe that I thought the inventors were relevant?

[Anonymous No.4717187]

>>4717164

oh hell no, my sisters are all dumb as hell.

[Anonymous No.4717183]

>>4717172
Apaches had a shitload of guns.
they stole them off the white people they killed with spears, and they made them.

[Anonymous No.4717188]

>>4717159

>because race changes too quickly for the classification to survive

Where do you base this on? It's still possible to identify the race of mummies of several millennia old. Race has barely changed in the time.

More recent research also implies that modern man can be divided into races:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm
http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877%2809%2900537-4/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21826061

[Anonymous No.4717190]

>white people
>a demographically dead race within the next century
>smart

[Anonymous No.4717193]

>>4717173
I hope for your sake that you aren't >>4717149, because wikipedia and discoverynews are hardly good scientific sources either.

[Anonymous No.4717198]

>>4717190

You can blame leftism for that

[Anonymous No.4717197]

>>4717050
same. I'm impressed with /sci/'s ability to discuss things with such maturity.
puts /mu/ to shame, as does every other board

[Anonymous No.4717202]

>>4717149
>despite them supposedly being considered shit in mathematics itself?
I don't even know what you're talking about.
>mfw I'm black and, in math, I was only ever second to my German/Dutch friend.

[Anonymous No.4717204]

>>4717190

These people are american southerners.

[Anonymous No.4717208]

>>4717190
Shit tier meta-troll.
0/10

[Anonymous No.4717211]

>>4717154
>For no reason
Confirmed for knowing nothing about history.
Alexander was one of the greatest military geniuses in all of history.
Nobody who came after ever matched him.
You're also ignoring the fact that Phillip II set up Macedon in a way that would be conducive to this.

[Anonymous No.4717216]

>>4717188
race didn't change much before boats and airplanes and shitloads of people moving around.

now it changes a lot more often, primarily because white people are successful enough to travel anywhere and fuck anyone (and everyone).

as you know, most white traits are not dominant. The race is being absorbed rather than spreading. Funny stuff.

[Anonymous No.4717223]

>>4717220
-1/10

[Anonymous No.4717220]

>>4717208
it isn't trolling when it's true whitebread .. im sorry the truth hurts

[Anonymous No.4717221]

>>4717107

What about a paper on why your penis skin has more melanin than the rest of your body.

[Anonymous No.4717227]

>>4717204

Are you trying to imply that American northerners are fruitfully multiplying and ensuring the continued existence of a caucasian ethnicity? Or do you just enjoy reading stuff that you post online, ever how irrelevant it may be?

[Anonymous No.4717231]

YAY another RACIST thread.
Wrap your retarded bigotry up and go away.
2011>Herp my race is best because I is more evolved.
2012>Durp my race is best because Granny was a Neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.4717235]

>>4717231

"Racists" have considered the possibility of Neanderthal admixture affecting human population differences for a lot longer than this year.

[Anonymous No.4717238]

>>4717216

This all requires that white people will just fuck with any other race, rather than sticking to themselves. They don't. Most people (and most white people included) tend to stick to themselves. The study regarding self-identified race and genetic profiling confirms this.

[Anonymous No.4717240]

>>4717223
yep you arent mad or frustrated at all i am a TERRIBLE troll and white populations havent been and arent declining world wide with no end in sight lol

[Anonymous No.4717242]

>>4717231

you haven't been discussing race for a long time, have you? Neanderthal mixture has been suspected for longer than that.

[Anonymous No.4717243]

>>4717240

When you push an animal back far enough, it will eventually lash out. Compare to the pessimistic hopeless situation of Europe during the depression.

This time without a soviet union or united states to save the world.

[Anonymous No.4717245]

>>4716868
But but.. my feelings!

[Anonymous No.4717280]

>>4717227

No I am just saying that American southerners have a distinct way of pocketing body fat and you can easily distinguish redneck fatties from any other fatty.

[Anonymous No.4717298]

>>4717242
I know It was just a few months back that I was pointing out that Europeans have Neanderthal DNA in them when the flood of Racist retards were trying to make the - "Africans is closer to apes and so they is less evolved" argument.
In a few months there will be another scrap of half baked science that these racist morons will be citing as proof for their superiority.

[Anonymous No.4717316]

OK guys..................everyone chill the fuck out for a second.

OK im not really racist or anti-racist, in fact i dont really give a fuck. But i just want to say that im getting the vibe that if someone came in here right now with WATERTIGHT scientific evidence for africans/caucasians being a different sub species or one being inferior, i dont think everyone would suddenly be all like "welp we really are different species after all". Ssems like science itself would get overruled in that event. If not here then certainly in wider society.

Take of that what you will i guess.

[Anonymous No.4717321]

>>4717316
>science fact
>overruled
Im not even sure what you mean by this.

[Anonymous No.4717326]

>>4717321
Social pressures regarding the hypothetical falsehood of absolute equality between all types of humans would be way too strong to ever let mere empirical scientific evidence to the contrary stand in the way.

Again hypothetical, just playing devils advocate here.

[Anonymous No.4717334]

>>4717316
you seem to think taxonomy and systematics are hard science.

it's pretty arbitrary.
race is a social construct
so is subspecies, species, genus, family, order...

[Anonymous No.4717339]

>>4717334

Well fuck, i guess there cant be any qualitative difference in anything then, seeing as it all comes down to some humans opinion somewhere.

Anthropomorphic principle up in dis muddafukka.

[Anonymous No.4717349]

>>4717339
there are real differences, it's how we interpret them that's subjective- well, intersubjective.

reality is agreed upon by vote.
language likewise.

as long as we don't agree to call race subspecies anyone that does so will be wrong.

it's a bit like bilbgarple. I can tell you bilpgarple all I want, that doesn't mean you bilpgarple.

[Anonymous No.4717360]

>>4717349

Thats what i said. Everyone would agree by social convention that one or the other was in fact NOT different/inferior, regardless of what the evidence says. And then, subjectively, it becomes true. Doublethink stuff.

Just something to ponder.

[Anonymous No.4717368]

>>4717349

>it's a bit like bilbgarple. I can tell you bilpgarple all I want, that doesn't mean you bilpgarple

Wait. What are we talking about here?
Bilbgarpling or bilpgarpling?

[Anonymous No.4717370]

>>4717298

Yeah because everyone who is racist thinks exactly alike, right?

Also, having Neanderthal admixture does not mean you're closer to apes.

[Anonymous No.4717380]

>>4717368
exactly

[Anonymous No.4717377]

>>4717360
that would simply be a case of synonymizing race and subspecies in H. sapiens.

it could happen, but it renders one of the words meaningless.

this isn't a problem of reality or our understanding of it... It's a problem of what we call it.

Subspecies exist because we named two of them. One human subspecies is extinct, so all living humans belong to the other.

Races exist if we choose to name them, but because subspecies have already been named, and are more inclusive, races are inferior to subspecies in the hierarchy of nomenclature.

it's not that one is better than another, it's that one is more exclusive than the other. Race is a smaller group of people than subspecies (all living people).

[Anonymous No.4717385]

>>4717377
as an afterthought-

most scientists currently believe that race IS equal to subspecies-
that is they believe all humans alive are one race.

[Anonymous No.4717398]

Stats are useless without proper interpretation.

[Anonymous No.4717408]

>>4717385
But you just said why that is completely fucking retarded, because subspecies already has a meaning and race has a very clear meaning that is more specific than subspecies.

[Anonymous No.4717432]

>>4717408
>>4717408
I didn't say I agree, I merely stated what I believe is the majority opinion.

if enough people believe it, it will become the accepted language of description whether we like it or not.

the problem being that current genetic evidence doesn't support racial divisions, though larger morphological characters do.

it's not retarded, it's just different ways of looking at the same things. we tend to go with whatever is most useful. Genetically, race isn't currently useful once we see that racially carried diseases are the results of specific genes, and we can name the genes far more easily than we can name the people that carry them.