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Qualia.

>> No.4712011

Fuck you dude.

On topic - I discovered the Qualia problem on my own, without knowing about it, when I was around first grade. I think I was on the shitter and had nothing to read so I was just thinking aimlessly.

My mom had the problem of "the form of number" as a child, and when I told her it was an unsolved philosophical dilemma, she said a 48-year weight had been lifted off her chest.

>> No.4712029

Oh, and FYI, you can solve a lot of the philosophical problems by injecting faith into them...it's interesting if you're faithful, but if not, it's kind of a letdown, because they all kind of sum up to

>This world does not matter, nor do its perceptions, all that matters is the spirit and what has to do with the spirit, and there is definitely an absolute in spiritual matters; there is a proper orientation and not everything is relative, a moral absolute exists, and it is clearly defined in the Ten Commandments in terms humans can understand etc etc...

>> No.4712036

Incoming IQfundie

>> No.4713100

bump

>> No.4713115

>>4712011
What is this "qualia problem" you speak of?

>> No.4713124

>>4712011
lol stupidity is surely genetic disease

>> No.4713131

>>4713115
Red and blue, sour and sweet, pain and pleasure, etc. Atheists actually believe a robot would experience these.

>> No.4713139

>>4713131
You didn't really phrase it as a problem. It sounds like the hard problem of consciousness to me.

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4713160

This thread is the worst thread.
Why do qualia - which are EXPLICITLY disconnected from scientific observation and evaluation - keep getting discussed here. we need a /phi/ board.

>> No.4713189

>>4713139
I'm not >>4712011

The problem is that we interpret the data we receive in terms of non-quantifiable qualities, and we have absolutely no fucking clue why this is. Not that it matters to science. I agree the question doesn't belong here.

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didn't daniel dennet unveil how bullshit the concept of qualia is decades ago?

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>> No.4713206

>>4713195
Wittgenstein did it better with the so-called private language argument. Philosophical Investigations is like the fucking most epic philosophical book ever written. Dennett is a cool guy and all but he never got Wittgenstein.

>> No.4713235

>>4712036
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>> No.4713243

why is qualia the new buzzword on /sci/
idgi
isn't it just subjective feelings and observations that can not be objectively measured or something
>>>/phi/

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>>4713235

>> No.4713253

>>4713243
Most rational discussions on qualia involve philosophy of science or its implications on neuroscience/physics.

>> No.4713528

>>4713253

>implying qualia is rational
qualia is make believe soul particles

>i have an acid that eats through all materials
what do you keep it in?
>uhh

>i have non material experience points
that you keep in, and collect with your material body?
>uhh

searle is an obfuscant