/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4710219]

Made-up bullshit, /sci/-version

1) lucid dreaming
2) real numbers
3) god
4) thorium future
5) private space travel creating a spacefaring race
6) IQ
7) racist and sexist "science" supported by IQ
8) Replacing IQ with "G" and supposing it is more sciencey

[Anonymous No.4710244]

0) qualia

[Anonymous No.4710247]

>>4710244
fuck, you're right

[Anonymous No.4710249]

>7)
Why do you think that this is bullshit? There is science backing it up.

[Anonymous No.4710260]

Lucid Dreaming is bullshit?

wat

[Anonymous No.4710262]

lucid dreaming is real you idiot

[Anonymous No.4710265]

>>4710249
Science says Racists and Misogynists have a lower IQ

[Anonymous No.4710267]

[Anonymous No.4710270]

>>4710244
You're funny.

[Anonymous No.4710275]

Is that Leah Culver in OP's pic?

[Anonymous No.4710277]

>>4710244
actually qualia covers lucid dreaming

[Anonymous No.4710278]

>>4710275
indeed

[Anonymous No.4710280]

lucid dreaming is real!!!

because even though I don't have free will in real life, when I dream that I do I swear I do!

[Anonymous No.4710282]

>>4710278
mai waifu

[Anonymous No.4710285]

>>4710282
I got a small folder of her.

[Anonymous No.4710296]

Lucid dreaming isn't bullshit, it's well established in the scientific community since you can differentiate a normal dream from a lucid one by measuring brain activity.

[Anonymous No.4710299]

>>4710296
I don't doubt the existence of brain activity. Believing in lucid dreaming as a scientific phenomenon is equivalent to believing that the plural of anecdote is "data." Take your social science shit out of here.

[Anonymous No.4710305]

>>4710299
You seem to be misinformed of what lucid dreaming actually is.
It's not some magical fantasy land where you can fly in your dreams, it simply means dream + different brain activity to a scientist.

[Anonymous No.4710308]

>>4710305
You seem to have a problem distinguishing measurable and hence amendable to science from anecdotal reports and hence made-up bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4710309]

hehe bitterfag can't lucid dream and pretends it isn't real

thats like saying those magic eye images aren't real because you cant cross your eyes the right way

[Anonymous No.4710313]

I've experienced lucid dreaming, it's not made up but most of the people obsessed with it are jerkoffs.

[Anonymous No.4710317]

>>4710309
> fag doesn't live in a haunted house so he says ghosts aren't real
lrn2science

[Anonymous No.4710320]

>>4710308
They use brain scans, not anecdotal evidence, retard.

[Anonymous No.4710322]

>>4710320
Who denied activity of brains? No one. But what makes this a "lucid dream"? Anecdotes and qualia. Take your ghosts and gb2/x/

[Anonymous No.4710332]

>>4710322
>But what makes this a "lucid dream"?
Higher activity in the parietal lobes and more beta-1 frequencies.
That is the empirical evidence that characterizes lucid dreams.

[Anonymous No.4710334]

>>4710332
> uses intersubjective measurements to justify the subjective interpretation
> science
get out

[Anonymous No.4710338]

>>4710334
No, those are completely objective measurements.

Do you also deny that painkillers work?
Or that drugs have any effect on the conscious state?

[Anonymous No.4710339]

>>4710338
Who denies painkillers work? Their job is to stop people from reporting pain. Whether they "feel pain" or not is made-up bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4710340]

ok

can you guys, like,

shut up about lucid dreaming for one second

...

HOW THE FUCK ARE REAL NUMBERS MADE UP

[Anonymous No.4710346]

This is now a lucid dream thread.
Look at vid in http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitbangerlabs/remee-the-rem-enhancing-lucid-dreaming-mask

[Anonymous No.4710349]

>>4710339
>Who denies painkillers work?
The science behind lucid dreaming and painkillers is the same.

>Whether they "feel pain" or not is made-up bullshit.
Only if you have a misconstrued understanding of what "feelings" actually are.
Protip: They are not magical.

[Anonymous No.4710350]

>>4710349
social scientist detected

[Anonymous No.4710355]

>>4710350
Nope, it's neuroscience, aka biology, aka chemistry , aka physics.
Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.4710356]

>>4710338
>completely objective measurements.

E-meter measurements
Therefore thetans
Therefore Xenu

[Anonymous No.4710357]

>>4710340
>>4707281

[Anonymous No.4710358]

>>4710356
fucking thank you, perfect example!

[Anonymous No.4710362]

>>4710356
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4710365]

>>4710340
I'm with this guy, who gives a fuck about lucid dreaming?
>Real numbers
>Made up bullshit
Are... you... serious?

[Anonymous No.4710372]

>>4710365
Basically nothing in reality, physics or any computation you do will ever involve real numbers.

[Anonymous No.4710375]

>>4710372
>Nothing in physics involves real numbers
>Nothing in physics
>Physics
...

[Anonymous No.4710379]

>1) lucid dreaming

Its a well supported phenomenon

>4) thorium future

LFTRs have great potential, despite some (solved or solvable) design challenges. Its not made-up bullshit. Why do you think so?

>5) private space travel creating a spacefaring race

While purely private spaceflight is yet not possible, public-private programs (NASA paying, private companies executing) show great promise in efficiency and cost reduction.

[Anonymous No.4710377]

>>4710375
Problem?

[Anonymous No.4710387]

>>4710377
I'm not falling for this.

[Anonymous No.4710388]

>>4710387
Falling for what?

[Anonymous No.4710390]

>>4710379
Also, IQ definitely exists. It may not be indicative of intelligence, but it does *exist*, and therefore it is not made up bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4710395]

>private space travel creating a spacefaring race
but that is happening
you fucking caveman.

[Anonymous No.4710413]

So you're saying anything that can't currently be measured doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.4710425]

>>4710340

OP is an idiot

[Anonymous No.4710427]

>>4710413
Instrumentalism

[Anonymous No.4710428]

>>4710413
existence proofs are abstract bullshit. Construct it or quantify it or GTFO

[Anonymous No.4710436]

>>4710395
enjoy learning what "left behind" is all about as the rich people move off the planet so they don't have to co-exist with us, while they continue to mine the planet for all it is worth, our lives meaning nothing

[Anonymous No.4710450]

>>4710436
I'm sure the rich aren't going to leave the luxurious earth so they can spend their days in cramped, smelly conditions so they can eat shitty freeze dried food, have to strap themselves to a wall to sleep, use the bathroom in a tube, and have to exercise strenuously for four hours a day while their eyes degenerate, their bones become brittle, and their lifespan shortens from exposure to cosmic radiation.

[Anonymous No.4710453]

>6) IQ
>7) racist and sexist "science" supported by IQ
>8) Replacing IQ with "G" and supposing it is more sciencey

u mad

[Anonymous No.4710484]

>>4710450
What's the matter, suddenly your free market can't solve these problems?

[Anonymous No.4710498]

9) objective reality
11) self-awareness

[Anonymous No.4710503]

>>4710219
>lucid dreaming
>>4710244
>qualia

>made up

Not sure if trolls or complete fucking retards

[Anonymous No.4710515]

>>4710503

>qualia

>made up

>Not sure if trolls or complete fucking retards

http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/quinqual.htm

[Anonymous No.4710534]

>>4710413
>Anything that can't currently be measured cannot be confirmed to exist.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.4710583]

<3

[Anonymous No.4710592]

>>4710219
I've had a period in which I had lucid dreams quite often.
The evidence for lucid dreaming is also no anecdotical, but well documented.
Just because you can't measure it doesn't mean it's not measurable.
Inb4 misquote that makes me seem retarded for saying that; reread sentence.

[Anonymous No.4710596]

>>4710592
with that kind of "standard", ghosts are also real, and so is the Russel's teapot

get the FUCK out

[Anonymous No.4710613]

>>4710592
how the fuck is lucid dreaming not measurable? is it magically immune to normal dream measuring devices?

[Anonymous No.4710621]

>>4710613
> normal dream-measuring devices
are you... what the...

THOSE WERE FICTIONAL MOVIES

[Anonymous No.4710629]

>>4710613
Cool! Does he have a dream measuring device?

[Anonymous No.4710645]

>>4710613
herp?

Do you mean something along the lines of REM measurement or something?

[Anonymous No.4710651]

Why lucid dreaming?

I've done it several times and with practice did some cool things (fly around, visit strange places, etc)

http://www.dreamviews.com

[Anonymous No.4710680]

>>4710645
Who would deny that we can detect rapid eye movements?

>>4710651
Cool anecdote bro.

[Anonymous No.4710702]

FIOC 4EVAR

[Anonymous No.4710706]

Lol OP is bad troll


Lucid dreaming is entirely possible. I've done it multiple times and it is a scientifically measurable phenomena.

>>4710680

Point is there have been a plethora of expirements where people enter lucid dream states and signal doctors who are monitering then through distcint eye movements.

Lucid dreaming has been scientifically verified since the 1960's. There's nothing un scientific about it.

[Anonymous No.4710710]

>>4710706
> they move their eyes, so lucid dreaming must be real
aliens, ghosts, and chupacabras

[IQ fundie !!8XTTCUzK2no No.4710714]

>>4710706
Lucid dreaming is pseudoscience. Please keep it to /x/.

[Anonymous No.4710726]

>>4710714

Lol your right, this distinct pattern of eye movement just happened in over 100+ cases over different studies using different patterned eye movements
>>4710710

So much stupid on /Sci/

Go read a paper about it, or 10. There are plenty of papers on lucid dreaming. Denying it won't make it not true. Anyone can lucid dream if they practice for it

Herp derp, lucid dreaming so implausible.

[Anonymous No.4710734]

Okay, so are dreams not real? A lucid dream is still just a normal dream, just one you're in control of. It's a type of normal dreaming, just like a dream in which you're falling or having sex. Only difference is that different small sections of the brain activate.

Also, if you decide to say that dreams aren't real, I'd like you to slap yourself and go sit in a corner for like 20 minutes, because NO.

Also also, inb4 real numbers don't real, it's right there in the name.

[Anonymous No.4710739]

>>4710734

Common misconception about lucid dreaming, you are usually not in control of your dream, you are just conscious in it.

[IQ fundie !!8XTTCUzK2no No.4710740]

>>4710726
You can measure eye movement. That doesn't tell you anything about lucid dreaming.

[Anonymous No.4710743]

>>4710739
Oh lol, never had one, so I didn't know. Point still stands though.

[Anonymous No.4710744]

>>4710734
Dreams are not real, do you really need someone to tell you this?

[Anonymous No.4710750]

If you can experience something then it's real. Obviously if you dream that you are a giant jellyfish, you're not actually a giant jellyfish, but the dream was an actually experience that actually happened. Lucid dreaming is possible, I've done it before, although I was not trying.

[Anonymous No.4710753]

>>4710740

Fundie go away. Your fucking retarded. Go read something about this first before you attempt to post, you really have no idea what your talking about .

Really what you say is irrelevant because any educated person who has actually done any research on the matter, any neuroscientist interested in it, any sleep scientist, knows that lucid dreaming is a possible phenomonae.

They are distcint, complex eye movements that appear on polygraph readouts during the patients REM sleep, if you know anything about REM, which I doubt, you would understand that this distinct pattern of eye movements would never occur naturally.

tl;dr your a fucking idiot. Go back to qualia threads

[Anonymous No.4710757]

>>4710744
Of course not, everybody knows the content of dreams aren't real (I assume that's what you mean), but that the actual phenomena of dreaming is.

[Anonymous No.4710761]

>>4710753
> They are distcint, complex eye movements that appear on polygraph readouts during the patients REM sleep, if you know anything about REM, which I doubt, you would understand that this distinct pattern of eye movements would never occur naturally.
I think you have a very weird idea about what conclusions can be drawn from "his eyes moved."

[Anonymous No.4710764]

>>4710428

Verificationism died decades ago, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4710768]

>>4710764
> He thinks falsification has anything to do with constructivism

[Anonymous No.4710774]

>>4710761

I think if this distinct pattern of eye movements during REM sleep, that can be reproduced 100's of times, using different subjects, different patterns, and increasingly complex patterns, would prove that the person is voluntarily making these eye movements during uninterrupted REM sleep, which is what every experiment on the matter has shown.

The subjects are told to make these eye movements when they realize that they are lucid.

Again, all you have to do is go read about it, instead of sounding so ignorant. I don't understand why /sci/ thinks something as simple as lucid dreaming is pseudo-science, when we have years of experiments proving the opposite.

Herp derp its not astral projection.

[Anonymous No.4710786]

>>4710774
I have only the subjects' word that they are dreaming, or lucid in a dream. I cannot experience this in any way. The hypothesis "lucid dreaming is real" is not falsifiable because, critically, if someone can't "lucid dream" this is not seen as evidence of anything. Now, if I could see *you* dreaming lucidly, then we could still settle the matter. (Because I can't ice skate, for example, but I can see people ice skate.) But since dreams aren't real, there's nothing for me to see.

Hence, lucid dreaming is necessarily made-up bullshit (that is, not science).

Thanks for your interest in my thread. Now back to /x/.

[Anonymous No.4710803]

>>4710768

Falsifiability applies only that which is material (scientific). Are you really going to tell me shit like morality and ethics are empirical and falsifiable? Falsifiability is not an overarching theory for every branch of human inquiry.

[Anonymous No.4710804]

>>4710786

Lol you really are an idiot. It is evidence, and has been accepted as such, denying it with your really terrible understanding of what science is wont make it go away.

I suppose thoughts aren't "real" as well.

I have no interest arguing with someone who obviously doesn't know what they are talking about, and obviously hasn't read anything on the matter.

[ad hoc name No.4710808]

Only one of those are 'bullshit'. It is also small g, not large G. g just means general intelligence, the general factor that emerges if one does a factor analysis of any collection of cognitively demanding test.

[Anonymous No.4710813]

>>4710804

It is evidence at the very least that people are able to make a conscious decision while in REM sleep.

If that's not lucid dreaming to you, fine. But the phenomena wont go away because you can't fathom it. Real scientists will continue to study it, and not dismiss with a close mind.

[Anonymous No.4710871]

>>4710813

Furthermore, for this faggot of a OP.

Voluntary control of respiration during lucid dreaming. LaBerge and Dement (1982) recorded three lucid dreamers who were asked to either breathe rapidly or to hold their breath (in their lucid dreams), marking the interval of altered respiration with eye movement signals as shown in the figure. The subjects reported successfully carrying out the agreed-upon tasks a total of nine times, and in every case, a judge was able to correctly predict on the basis of the polygraph recordings which of the two patterns had been executed (binomial test, p < .002).

Dream time estimations. We have straightforwardly approached the problem of dream time by asking subjects to estimate ten second intervals (by counting, "one thousand and one, one thousand and two, etc.") during their lucid dreams. Signals marking the beginning and end of the subjective intervals allowed comparison with objective time. In all cases, time estimates during the lucid dreams were very close to the actual time between signals (LaBerge, 1980a, 1985).

(Cont)

[Anonymous No.4710888]

These and related studies show clearly that in REM sleep, dreamed bodily movements generate motor output equivalent at the supraspinal level to the patterns of neuronal activity that would be generated if the corresponding movements were actually executed. Most voluntary muscles are, of course, paralyzed during REM, with the notable exceptions of the ocular and respiratory muscles. Hence, the perfect correspondence between dreamed and actual movements for these two systems (Figs. 1-3), and the attenuated intensity (but preserved spatio-temporal pattern) of movements

[Anonymous No.4710903]

>>4710803
Are dreams material?

Case closed faggot.

[Anonymous No.4710909]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream

[Anonymous No.4710911]

>>4710871
> they can control their movements
> they are conscious
> they must be dreaming!
"SCIENCE" oh lololol

[Anonymous No.4710921]

>>4710903

Uhh...you implied anything that is not falsifiable is "bullshit". I disagreed. That was all I was responding to.

[Anonymous No.4710926]

>>4710921
> moral realism
> not bullshit
choose 1

[Anonymous No.4710931]

>>4710926

That does nothing to show that morality itself is bullshit. Be a moral relativist for all I care, that does nothing to prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.4710941]

>>4710931
Not that relativism is necessarily opposed to realism but anyway.

[sage No.4710960]

Troll thread general?

[Anonymous No.4710984]

>>4710931
Morality is made-up bullshit. Which means its all nonsense. So basically you just said, "Lalalala... prove me wrong!" Yeah, well, I can't. But that's not because you're right.

[Anonymous No.4711016]

>>4710941

Fine, subjectivism.

>>4710984

Science is just a social construct. How could I prove empiricism and the scientific method? Lalala science is bullshit.

By the way, when you condemn a rapist or a paedophile, I hope you remember this chat when you say something stupid like "morality is bullshit". You apprehend moral truths in your lives, whether you think these truths only apply to you.

[Anonymous No.4711066]

>>4710219
I'm not quite sure what the actual definition of a lucid dream is but under the pretense that is a dream in which you become self aware of you subconcious state and control it. I have done this on multiple occasions and its pretty fucking cool. You say I want to turn myself into a rocket ship and go to the moon and you do it.

tl;dr your a fucktard, its real

[Anonymous No.4711129]

>>4710960

Definitely troll thread, all these faggots herping and derping about lucid dreaming and almost nobody mentions:

>2) real numbers

/sci/, once again you disappoint me...

[Anonymous No.4711143]

>>4710984
sociopath scum
we need a new witch-hunt for your kind

[Anonymous No.4711216]

>>4711129
>>4710357

[Anonymous No.4711234]

>>4711143
derp

Take a sad movie, like, I dunno, the Notebook or some shit. I could watch that and cry, even though the people in it don't exist. Morality is made-up bullshit, but that doesn't make me a sociopath. Though you thinking it does certainly makes you a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.4711236]

>>4711129
We already proved that there can't be an infinite number of anything earlier today.

[Anonymous No.4711293]

>>4711234
Prove you're existence
>hurr durr it's made up hurr durr

fuckingn ature loving hippie materailist sucmsd fgsdkfgksfdg

[Anonymous No.4711322]

[Anonymous No.4711330]

>>4711143
You're a fucking idiot.

http://www.amazon.com/On-Genealogy-Morality-A-Polemic/dp/0872202844/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=13378
10914&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Good-Evil-Prelude-Philosophy/dp/0679724656


Educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.4711350]

>Lucid dreams don't exist
>All psychological experiences are made up bullshit and anecdotes
>Love does not exist
>Depression does not exist
>Despair does not exist
>Thoughts do not exist
etc

[Anonymous No.4711369]

>>4711330
It's funny that you equate made-up bullshit with nonsense.

[Anonymous No.4711370]

>>4711322
> they worked with electricity because they were christian or their work with electricity had anything to do with them being christian
>1/10

[Anonymous No.4711546]

Who's the blonde girl an why is everyone posting pics o her? From /b/ first time on /sci/ don't know sorry

[Anonymous No.4713201]

>>4711546
leah culver

[Anonymous No.4713218]

>>4713201
More of this set?

[Anonymous No.4713222]

>>4713218
not really a set in the thematic sense, unless you consider "leah culver" a viable theme

[Anonymous No.4713246]

>>4713222

[Courier~ !bwulacYkqY No.4713266]

Lucid dreaming is real,
I have lucid dreaming.

Now what, faggot?

[Anonymous No.4713269]

They can experiment to show lucid dreaming real. They give lucid dreamers a pattern of eye movements to remember, when they are in a lucid dream and therefore in full control they then look in these directions in their dream according to the pattern which is then monitered by the experimentors while they're sleeping.

[Anonymous No.4713336]

>>4713266
> more anecdotes make science
no

[fag !QualiaRiEg No.4713356]

>>4713336
lucid dreaming is widely documented and has some scientific justification, with some reasonable hypotheses to explain it

[Anonymous No.4713371]

>>4713356
The aether also sounds reasonable, but its existence as a medium of light transport was disproven. How am I going to prove or disprove that someone signalling me with motor responses and claiming consciousness is dreaming?

[Courier~ !bwulacYkqY No.4713374]

>>4713336
Say that to my everynight dream.

[Anonymous No.4713377]

>>4710372
just because you field of study is horse shit it means real numbers are made up?
the real number are the limit of all the rational sequences (except those who go to infinity). are limit made up? are rational number made up? are sequences made up? no? then real number are real

[Anonymous No.4713381]

>>4713377
Of course rational numbers exist. Don't be silly.

[Anonymous No.4713388]

>>4713371
the aether isn't something people have been reporting on for centuries independently of each other.

[Anonymous No.4713390]

>>4711236
oh yeah? how many integers are there?

[Anonymous No.4713393]

>>4713381
define "exist"

[Anonymous No.4713396]

>>4713388
People have also been reporting sightings of Jesus, Mary, aliens, and ghosts.

[Anonymous No.4713397]

I'm not sure if this a troll thread.

[Anonymous No.4713400]

>>4713396
and also elephants and pands. why should i believe them?

[Anonymous No.4713402]

>>4710757
What is reality? To me, what's in my mind is more real than what's outside.

[Anonymous No.4713403]

>>4713396
not independently

[Anonymous No.4713408]

Lucid dreaming is real and has a pretty much specific way to be accomplished. With some training and focus, most people can do it at least once I think.

[Anonymous No.4713412]

>>4713393
I'm not deep into ontology but for the current purposes I mean can be constructed explicitly from the natural numbers. This includes some so-called transcendentals like <span class="math">e[/spoiler] or <span class="math">\pi[/spoiler] but only because there are rational approximations (which is what we actually use, the "limit" is the made-up bullshit part).

[Anonymous No.4713417]

>>4713412
so you mean they exist because we can exactly define their properties?

[Anonymous No.4713425]

>>4713400
You don't have to. For instance, you could go to the zoo yourself.

[Anonymous No.4713429]

>>4713425
and you could learn to lucid dream

[Courier~ !bwulacYkqY No.4713431]

>>4713408
I can do it.

[Anonymous No.4713432]

>>4713417
No. Because we can construct and calculate with them.

[Anonymous No.4713435]

>>4713429
You could learn to detect ghosts and feel god's presence.

[Anonymous No.4713437]

>>4713432
i can do theology, does that mean god exists?

[Anonymous No.4713438]

>>4713435
maybe

how do i know which of these things are real? and which are mass delusion.

i think pandas are probably mass delusion

[Anonymous No.4713440]

>>4713437
> I can do theology
See (3) in the OP. THX.

[Anonymous No.4713443]

But I have experienced lucid dreaming myself. It's good that you told me it doesn't exist, otherwise I wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.4713444]

>>4713438
It doesn't have to be a mass delusion to be made up bullshit. I bet most people that report ghost sitings really think they saw ghosts.

[Anonymous No.4713446]

>>4713440
exactly

god has the same ontological status as numbers

[Anonymous No.4713449]

>>4713444
that's what delusion is

but i'll ask again

how do i know what is real? whether it is pandas, lucid dreaming or ghosts

[Anonymous No.4713454]

>>4713446
Not really.

[Anonymous No.4713456]

>>4713454
>nice rejoinder

[Anonymous No.4713457]

>>4713449
I mean, I am sure they really saw something, and they're calling it a "ghost." But what they call it doesn't make it into what they are. Naming is not hypostatization. This is the problem all the lucid dreaming people have in this thread. They exhibit perfectly normal, intersubjective signals, and then name this all "lucid dreaming," and then suppose that these signals are evidence for private phenomena (dreaming while lucid). But there is no evidence for private phenomena. So it's all bullshit from the start.

[Anonymous No.4713464]

>>4713457
but the name "lucid dreaming" describes an experience, not a material thing.

[Anonymous No.4713468]

>>4713457
So all subjective experience is bullshit?

[Anonymous No.4713477]

>>4713464
Let me break it down for you.

SCIENCE:
Do W, X, and Y. Z will happen.

MADE-UP BULLSHIT (e.g. lucid dreaming)
Do W, X, and Y. Z should happen, but may not. But I swear it is real.

[Courier~ !bwulacYkqY No.4713478]

I dream about everynight, yet not all of my dreams are lucid.
I sometimes (and usually) take controll over my dreams, becoming aware of my sleep status and thus conscious, but at the same time still sleeping.
I can do whatever I want, and make it happen.
It doesn't feel like when I am thinking, or when I am dreaming, it feels deeper and more immersing, like I'm really myself and not just "looking at the course of actions in my dream".

How can you say that it's not true, maybe I should go to a mental institution?

MAYBE WE ARE IN MATRIX AND YOU ARE A MACHINE TRYING TO MAKE US QUESTIONATE IF WE ARE REALLY AWAKE BUT IF WE ARE NOT AND WE KEEP ON NOT BELIEVING YOU AND YOU KEEP TRYING MAYBE THEN WE CAN WAKE UP BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN OUR ENTITLED STATUS.

[Anonymous No.4713479]

>>4713457
This would make normal dreaming also bullshit. All we can know for sure is some phsyiological changes, not crap about flying and going to school naked.

[Anonymous No.4713481]

>>4713477
so all reported phenomena is bullshit?

[Anonymous No.4713482]

>>4713477
That wasn't your objection before. You now seem to be saying stochastic things aren't science. Before it was subjective things.

[Anonymous No.4713484]

>>4713477
>14 yr old detected

[fizx !d75etXAowg No.4713497]

>US Highways were designed with straight sections to allow military planes to use it as an emergency runway should the US ever be invaded.

[Anonymous No.4713504]

>>4713479
correct

[Anonymous No.4713508]

>>4713482
You have interpreted Z in such a way as to change what I've said into something else, and then blame me for saying something else?

OUT OF LEAH PICS

[Anonymous No.4713516]

MAXIMUM SAGE

[Anonymous No.4713526]

>>4713516
there is only one level of sage, and that is the "fail" level

[Anonymous No.4713568]

tulpa

[Anonymous No.4713584]

>>4710278
She's more lewd than ever. The OP pic needs Brazzers logo.

Also, all of maths is made up, but why do you consider real numbers to be bullshit? Are you one of those guys who thin that Jews are onto them?

[Anonymous No.4713700]

>>4713568
sorry, not bullshit.
it can't be proved but i've read the conversations of theyr creepy group and they were not trolling.
some consciousness status can't be successfully measured( read you can tell the difference between different consciousness alteration) with MRI and other stuff. same goes for some psychological diseases.

[Anonymous No.4713709]

>>4710340
/sci/ can't into model theory, and probably think the natural numbers are well defined

[Anonymous No.4713825]

Updated list:

1) qualia
2) lucid dreaming
3) tulpas
4) consciousness
5) love
6) painkillers
7) placebo effect
8) real numbers
9) infinite sets
10) god
11) ghosts
12) aliens
13) thorium future
14) fusion future
15) private space travel creating a spacefaring race
16) technological singularity
17) IQ
18) racist and sexist "science" supported by IQ
19) Replacing IQ with "G" and supposing it is more sciencey
20) the invisible hand
21) morality
22) wavefunction collapse
23) alternate universes
24) objective reality
25) pandas

[Anonymous No.4713834]

>>4713825
It's not bad but you can see pandas at zoos.

[Anonymous No.4713875]

>>4713834
You can see God at the zoo to. Doesn't mean he's real.

[Anonymous No.4714182]

>>4713875
Which zoo?

[Anonymous No.4714185]

>>4713875
lel 10/10

[Anonymous No.4714193]

>real
1) lucid dreaming
2) real numbers
3) god
7) racist and sexist "science"

>fake
4) thorium future
5) private space travel creating a spacefaring race
6) IQ
8) Replacing IQ with "G" and supposing it is more sciencey

[Anonymous No.4714649]

>>4711320

[Anonymous No.4714659]

Reals numbers don't exist? But they aren't imaginary.

[Anonymous No.4714667]

>Lucid dreaming

You mean that moment where you become aware that you're asleep? That's fucking real and it's AWESOME.

>Concentrate on trying to levitate
>Slowly go up into the air
>FUCK YEAH I'M LEVITATING THIS SHIT IS AWESOME
>Wake up

AAAH FUCK.

[Anonymous No.4714674]

171 posts. 10/10

[Anonymous No.4714678]

I could give a fuck less about anything you say, but don't degrade lucid dreaming. Give me one shred of evidence to support your claim.

[Anonymous No.4714681]

>thread

[Anonymous No.4714689]

>>4710339
>"feeling pain" is made up bullshit

Oh, look, another psuedo-intellecual pretend scientist on /sci/. Why can't you just stick to /r/atheism?

[Anonymous No.4714698]

>yfw math is the only thing that is made up bullshit

[Anonymous No.4714703]

>>4710786
>dreams aren't real

No one is seriously this retarded right? Right?

[Anonymous No.4714709]

>>4714703
dreams not real science 0/10 pseudo-intellectual social bullshit anecdote can't apply math

[Anonymous No.4714775]

ok this is pretty funny, just because you guys are dumb enough to get wound up about OP.

more importantly, who the fuck is the girl that OP is using to show its him/her

[Anonymous No.4716466]

>>4714775
> read the thread
> can't see where her name is mentioned ten thousand times