/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4710152]

If the universe is a computer simulation, why is there no lag?

[Anonymous No.4710156]

There could be incredible lag, you just wouldn't be able to tell because you're on the inside.
Did you even think before posting this stupid questions?

[Anonymous No.4710167]

>>4710156
>There could be incredible lag, you just wouldn't be able to tell because you're on the inside.
wat? i'm a player, and players should be able to notice lag if there is any...
have you ever played any games?

[Anonymous No.4710168]

>>4710156
> There could be incredible lag

How could there possibly be lag unless the simulation is connected to another network?

[Anonymous No.4710173]

>>4710167
>>4710168
Processing lag is what I assumed OP meant. Not network lag.
And you're not a player, you're an NPC, asshat. If you were a player you would know for certain you're in the game and be able to leave the game, save/load, etc

[Anonymous No.4710174]

>>4710167
>i'm a player

Me too, mah nigga.

[Anonymous No.4710178]

Because Gianni Fenu made it

[Anonymous No.4710189]

> if

[Anonymous No.4710200]

My internet decided to go out at the best possible time

[Anonymous No.4710217]

>>4710174
8/10
I giggled.

[Anonymous No.4710220]

>Relativity of simultaneity

Look it up and get started.

[Anonymous No.4710235]

because the places where no human is at the moment are not loaded, that means that only earth is loaded at the moment

[Anonymous No.4710239]

>>4710152
our concept of space-time is the product of lag caused by particles inability to instantly communicate with each other, given that everything communicates in our perspective at the speed of 3*10^8 m/s within a space defined by our perspective, and matter I suppose, I would say that the entire universe is in fact.... laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.

anyone agree? I think it's a cool idea.

[Anonymous No.4710245]

>>4710239
well played.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710246]

>>4710235
and even better, if you're in a solipsistic simulation(all other humans are NPCs), only your basement is simulated.
Any events past your field of vision/hearing are only computed and not simulated.

[Anonymous No.4710250]

>>4710239
>>4710245
O.O

[Anonymous No.4710252]

>>4710239

[Anonymous No.4710253]

>>4710239
>>4710239
>>4710250
>>4710252
>>4710255

samefag

[Anonymous No.4710255]

>>4710253
were you trying to guess your post number there? that's kinda ridiculous...

[Anonymous No.4710259]

>>4710253
and he's still right, cause I'm this guy too
>>4710255

oh anonymous

[Anonymous No.4710268]

>>4710239
/disagree
that doesn't even make sense and you're an idiot.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710271]

>>4710239
universals constants like speed of light are probably a few magnitudes higher in the upper simulation(so it's less computationally intensive).
Analogy: You cannot make a pixel "move" on a screen faster than its 1/refresh rate (s) or response time(eg: 2ms). The hardware limitation here is analogue to a universal constant.

[Anonymous No.4710281]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladder_paradox

Not entirely what you're asking, but it's fun to look at- pardon the Wiki link.

[Anonymous No.4710288]

>>4710271
planck had some interesting comments on the matter

:)

things I have to say on the other hand:
things do not interact instantly because they must travel over space? or space is perceived by us because things do not interact instantaneously ?

[Anonymous No.4710295]

Is there any actual reason to believe the universe is a computer simulation? This sounds like a bunch of pseudo-scientific bullshit to me.

[Anonymous No.4710300]

>hardware lag
>quantum computing

Choose one.

[Anonymous No.4710302]

>>4710295
Another "Who the fuck knows, but what if ____" thing.

Pretty sure if something was able to simulate a universe such as ours to this extent, lag wouldn't be a problem

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710304]

>>4710288
I think that space and time are interconnected:
Just as we can't measure space without a reference, we cannot measure time if is everything is still.
Your disjunction(OR) yields 1 because both sides are true.

[Anonymous No.4710303]

>>4710295
not like with a god who programmed us...

but yeah the universe is just information and values that change each frame (planck time) according to very specific rules about location in space (see planck length also)

just like a computer simulation. but bigger, faster, and cooler.

[Anonymous No.4710310]

>>4710304
I agree

but that being said, can space-time can be explained as the product of multiple variables interacting with each other based on priority (closer things interact before further things)?

if it can, then space is the result not the cause, so what causes 2 things from behaving the way we do (perceived by us as further away)?

[Anonymous No.4710326]

>>4710246
And even better, there is this thing called superposition and according to it, things that are not observed act strangely (like they aren't really rendered by the simulation) Where have I seen this? Ah yes, in all of the games.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710329]

>>4710295
true AI = simulated people
the AI's "environment" = reality

If we reach that level of technological advancement then we will simulate another reality. The reasons for that reality to be alike our own OR different are plenty: research, genealogy, reenactment, nostalgia, recreation, other...
Given more time we would simulate thousands or millions of other realities.
And then we would ask the question: Out of millions of simulations ARE we really the only ones not simulated)

tl;dr: if we achieve true AI & nested simulations are possible we are almost certainly in a simulation.

[Anonymous No.4710344]

>>4710329
> if we achieve true AI & nested simulations are possible we are almost certainly in a simulation.

I don't see the logic here. What do you mean by "simulation"?

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710347]

>>4710326
why would you waste computing resources to calculate the position of <span class="math">6.024x10^{23}[/spoiler] electrons in 1 gram of Hydrogen if it has no effects on the macroscopic level (read: observable to us)

[Anonymous No.4710360]

>>4710347
But people can observe those electrons and predict many other shit, that usually can't be observed, by supercomputer simulations. Calculating those little details makes the simulation more real. And who knows, maybe the stuff that is simulating us acts under different laws.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710361]

>>4710344
by simulation I mean something alike virtual reality.
When you play Sims you partake in a very basic and crude simulation of human lives.
Just like you watch the Sims, someone could be watching you, or with enough technological development your brain would be wired to respond to stimuli from the game and be the controller: Then you would LIVE inside the game and without any information of the real world you would think that the game(simulation) is the reality.

[Anonymous No.4710370]

>>4710361
Right. Is there any evidence for that theory? I've been searching and I can't find anything other than speculation.

[Anonymous No.4710386]

>>4710347
The idea would be that without details so incredibly precise and specific, nothing would work as it's supposed to in the first place. If every electron wasn't appropriately accounted for, the entirety of the simulated universe would be affected and we would likely not even have been a product of it.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710389]

>>4710360
>>4710360
>makes the simulation more real
>more real
if you NEVER tasted chicken then I could give you anything you haven't tasted before(so you don't recognize it) and tell you it's chicken; And from your perspective it's really chicken.

You realize that a dream isn't real when you compare what you see with your PAST experiences(walls don't disappear when you look away, you don't have 6 fingers, etc..). Take away everything you knew about your daily life and then a dream is as real as it gets and there's absolutely no way to figure out that it's an illusion.(eg: your hair color changes randomly = perfectly normal)

[Anonymous No.4710397]

>>4710389
And what if we are all NPCs and there is a real player in here, plugged in for own pleasure/nostalgia/research or other shit. He would definitely want it to look very real. Watch Vanilla Sky for an example. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259711/

[Anonymous No.4710402]

>>4710167

Wrong, dumb shit. You are not a player. In the game, you wouldn't notice lag because you would not be able to perceive the gaps. Your brain/reality would be interrupted, but you would not notice it.

fucking failures here today

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710407]

>>4710370
I know it sounds like some religious bullshit but the beings that supposedly simulate us obviously don't want us to know that we are not real.
2 main reasons:
>we would act differently
any research, reenactment, recreation would be different from what they expect/want to study, and thus go against the purpose of simulating us
>observing animals in the wild is better than observing them at a zoo
so they make us think that we are not inside a zoo(simulation)

The only way to find out that we are living inside a simulation would be:
(continued)

[Anonymous No.4710417]

>implying there isn't lag

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710422]

(I'll continue in the next post)

>>4710397
The real player has 2 options:
>Coming from the "true reality" he knows that everything he experiences is simulated and thus there's no need for authenticity.
When you play a game you know that it isn't real so you don't bitch about impossible physics or unrealistic stuff
>He gets a mind wipe so that he doesn't have information about his world and everything he experiences is as real as it gets.
Put yourself in the mind the character of your favorite RPG and forget(ignore) everything about yourself as a person and the world you live in. You know that are like 25 races of people who share the same characteristic, arrows hurt you the same whether they hit you in the head or the chest and that having arrows inside your body doesn't affect you, and many others that seem weird to you only because you are a human and not an Elf in Oblivion.

[Anonymous No.4710435]

>>4710156
>Did you even think before posting this stupid questions?

This should be the first response to every thread in /sci/.

[Anonymous No.4710440]

>>4710422
>When you play a game you know that it isn't real so you don't bitch about impossible physics or unrealistic stuff
I would pay around 30-40k just to play a game as real as the reality and be fooled that it IS the reality. Your argument is invalid.
Also, as I said, watch either "Open your eyes" or "Vanilla Sky". The main character (the player) doesn't know that it is real because he had a pretty rough life and wanted to live another life, where he is happy. Or take an example from the Matrix. The programmer (forgot his name) gave the location of the ship to the AI just so he can be plugged back in the Matrix but with erased memories, so he can live a happy life.
There are trillions of reasons to make a simulation as real as possible.

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710443]

(cont here)
The only way to find out that we are living inside a simulation would be:
>Discovering software bugs
Finding something that contradicts your notion of reality(eg: any object placed in a peculiar place starts levitating,etc..) and there's no possible explication (eg: electromagnetic forces) then it is tangible proof that we are living in a "computer" simulation.
There's a possibility of monitoring every human and erase them from existence(read:kill) if they discover such a proof; and then fixing the bug.
Also, we may have already seen bugs that weren't intended features of our reality (eg?: tornadoes) and fixing them would just cause suspicion.
>Discovering Easter Eggs
This is valid only if they want us to discover the truth. Carl Sagan presented the possibility of finding a message from "God" in pi or other constants.
If we are really inside a simulation then the programmers would be God.

[Anonymous No.4710448]

>>4710443
>Discovering software bugs
Well, I have good news for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LCVknKUJ4

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710455]

>>4710440
if you remember the moment when you switched between worlds then you cannot be fooled into believing you are experimenting reality. Same goes with remembering your past world.
If a videogame character somehow got into our world it would believe that this isn't real.
It's also worth noting that more complex doesn't make it more real.

[Anonymous No.4710458]

>>4710174

[Anonymous No.4710474]

>>4710455
>I would pay around 30-40k just to play a game as real as the reality
>as real as the reality

[Math300K !BeGauss9DU No.4710779]

If you knew 100% that you are the only conscious entity in our world(others=NPC) and that everything is a computer simulation; what would you do?