98kwh, 400 mile battery pack for $1,400

[Anonymous No.4674179]

http://gm-volt.com/2011/04/12/cost-effective-ev-battery-reportedly-passes-tests-recharges-in-minutes
/

Confirmed by German government tests. This is the same one that broke the distance record for an EV some months ago. All of this is at an average speed of 55mph. Cycle life is 10 years assuming daily depletion to 0 and max recharge rate is 5 minutes provided access to a high current charger.

This is it gentlemen. We've finally made serious headway towards affordable, powerful batteries. Cars aside, this would mean every home could choose when to consume power based on rate. Negotiating power not just with gas companies but with the local utility as well. Something as simple as cheap, potent personal energy storage is gona be as disruptive as computers and the internet put together.

[Anonymous No.4674180]

>potent personal energy storage is gona be as disruptive as computers and the internet put together
I seriously doubt it.

[Anonymous No.4674204]

now sit back and watch as this gets squashed by oil company interference

it wont catch on in the states, they think electric is "fer pussies"

it wont catch on in europe, the advertisements wont be effective

asians will ignore it in favor of domestic vehicles

in 30 years we'll look back as the first successful full electric long range cars are being made and say "oh huh, i guess it has been around for a while after all"
just like every advance ever

[Anonymous No.4674219]

>>4674204
It will be my personal goal to put it in my own vehicle no matter the trouble involved. A revolution is all about DIY.

[Anonymous No.4674225]

>>4674204
It wont catch on in the states because oil companies control a large part of the government

[Anonymous No.4674230]

>>4674225
Let's not be shy. If this is hindered they need to be killed. Not detained, or slapped on the wrist, I mean straight up motherfucking murdered. No one can resist the rage of millions of pissed off drivers.

[Anonymous No.4674227]

>>4674219

says the hundreds of people with operating hydrogen engines.
don't see those catching on though do ya?

[Anonymous No.4674232]

>provided access to a high current charger
>98000Wh/5min = 980,000W
So you need a charger with a power capacity of a megawatt?
Better put some limiters in the cars that use it so none can go 88mph.

Otherwise we're gonna see some serious shit.

[Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH No.4674235]

>>4674179
Cool. I'd have to look at numbers, but maybe we don't need the Green Freedom method for synthetic gasoline from atmospheric CO2. I like having options.

[Anonymous No.4674242]

>>4674232

[Anonymous No.4674262]

>>4674227

Hydrogen is a poor energy storage medium for reasons not commonly advertised by its proponents. The shortcomings of hydrogen are a big part of why we went with electric instead.

[Anonymous No.4674278]

>>4674262
what if we could create cheap sources of pure hydrogen? surely that could boost the potential of fuel based on it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120511122232.htm

[Anonymous No.4674284]

[Anonymous No.4674286]

>>4674179
>2011/04/12

This article was written over a year ago. Since I can't find anything more recent, I assume their claims were bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4674287]

>>4674284
more proof of the validity of hydrogen as fuel!
look at that combustibility!
impressive If I do say so myself.

[Anonymous No.4674288]

>>4674278

That isn't the main problem. With engine powered hydrogen cars it's the lower energy density of hydrogen paired with the paltry 15% efficiency of internal combustion engines. With fuel cells it's the short lifespan and high cost. Fuel cell vehicles top out at 300 miles, and the Model S already does that for $75,000 versus $88,000 projected cost for the first FCEVs. Now that super cheap batteries with 400 mile ranges are here fuel cells don't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.4674290]

>>4674286

Why? You expect them to come to your house and give you one?

[Anonymous No.4674294]

>>4674288
hm, makes sense

the appeal of that car running on nothing but water is still quite alluring
but for the sake of efficiency electric batteries currently take the cake.
righto

[Anonymous No.4674316]

>>4674290
>You expect them to come to your house and give you one?

No. I expect credible news agencies to report that the company's extraordinary claims have been verified. It's been over a year and that has not happened.

Does that answer your question, Anon?

[Anonymous No.4674323]

>>4674294

The water car is a common investor scam. It's just an electric car powered by a fuel cel, which gets hydrogen from an onboard water tank, where electrolysis is powered by a battery.

So you take the energy from the battery, lose half of it in the electrolysis, then lose half of what remains in the fuel cell, and what's left powers the motors. It's an electric car powered by batteries, but with an unnecessary conversion to chemical energy and then back to electrical energy in between the battery pack and the motors.

If it worked, remember that the exhaust is also water so you could just pipe it back into the fuel tank and it would never run out.

Just like compressed air cars it will run long enough for a test drive, which is long enough to fool an investor.

[Anonymous No.4674326]

>>4674316

>Official rule of /sci/:
>when 1 year passes and 8 haven't seen a new articls about something it stops being real

[Anonymous No.4674337]

>>4674232
Check units again

98000Wh/(5min/(60min/h) =

1.176x10^6 W or
1,176,000 W

According to Wolfram: That's the power of 200-400 American houses

[Anonymous No.4674341]

I too am concerned that the German government may be lying to us about a battery test. That is a totally reasonable concern about a completely plausible scenario.

[Anonymous No.4674342]

>>4674337
Yes, that was a typo, I divided by 6 minutes like was said in the article, not 5 like I accidentally posted.

[Anonymous No.4674345]

>>4674326
>sagan.jpg

It's funny that you post a picture of Sagan, Anon. Sagan was a scientist that demanded evidence for things before believing in them. He didn't believe every piece of garbage that he came across.

You should learn from his example.

[Anonymous No.4674348]

>>4674345

Evidence has been presented. You rejected it for being one year old.

[Anonymous No.4674354]

Does this source please the picky little prince?

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/05/09/long-range-electric-car/

[Anonymous No.4674355]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120329171607.htm
relevant?

[Anonymous No.4674367]

>>4674348
>Evidence has been presented.

"Evidence" my ass. Read OP's article. It was based on an interview with DBM Energy’s Chief Operating Officer, Markus Röser. That's not evidence, that's just trusting someone's word.

Even the writer of the article was skeptical.
"If reports we were given prove true"
"Bold claims, you say? We agree, but will tell you what we were told:"
"According to DBM Energy’s Chief Operating Officer, Markus Röser"
"DBM Energy said it has proven its amazing assertions."
Here the writer reports only on what another writer reported: "According to The Hydrogen & Fuel Cell Letter, an English-language, subscription-based publication Röser sent PDF copies of, last month Germany’s federal agency for materials research and testing – BAM – independently certified DBM’s KOLIBRI battery after a series of eight tests. These were reportedly done" The writer didn't see the results himself.

And finally: "More proof will follow with the next tests, Röser said." Where's the follow up?

I've read a lot of articles like this. Company's make bold claims but rarely follow through. Like EEStor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEStor#Status_and_delays

[Anonymous No.4674369]

>>4674367
you missed this part
>"Apologizing for his English, Röser told GM-Volt the battery is already being used in warehouse equipment, and has other applications pending.
>“The KOLIBRI technology has run in forklifts for two years – very efficient,” Röser said, “We already delivered 15 batteries for forklifts in 2010/ 2011 and further orders are already placed. The companies we are working with are large logistical companies running warehouses like Papstar, a subsidiary company of Swarowski.”

[Anonymous No.4674378]

>>4674369
>ROSER TOLD GM
>ROSER TOLD
>TOLD

that does not constitute "evidence," that is believing something because you want to believe it.
maybe you should go to church?

[Anonymous No.4674383]

>>4674354
>http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/05/09/long-range-electric-car/

Now that is a better source, a better demonstration and a much more realistic claim. 279 miles driven while being recorded by cameras is much more believable than 375 miles without cameras.

[Anonymous No.4674413]

>Confirmed by German government tests.

DEKRA SE (Societas Europaea) is a private company.

[Anonymous No.4674714]

>>4674179

>daily depletion to 0

[Anonymous No.4674745]

>>4674225
Utility companies are going to want it bad though. As an EE I could do so much on a demand side management level if every house has one of these charging at night.

[Anonymous No.4674890]

>>4674337
same power contained in ~7 liters of petrol
i find it hard to believe that it could power that many households

but then again if you run a PC and fridge only...

[Anonymous No.4674899]

>>4674890 samefag
oops
make it more like 10 liters of petrol
and with a 50% efficient engine -> 20 liters

[Anonymous No.4674904]

I'd like to see one of these catch fire.

(From a safe distance, that is.)

[Anonymous No.4674922]

>>4674232

[Anonymous No.4674962]

implying that at a given moment in a town there are 100 electric cars being charged you would need a small electric plant for this purpose only. And some kickass high power infrastructure to deliver those powers.

[Anonymous No.4674968]

>>4674962

Yeah that's not very feasible at all.

Good breakthru though.

Anyone remember those batteries awhile back that ran on bodily fluids? Used semen, sweat, blood as catalyst sources.

Surprised those never made it into the vibrator market.

[Anonymous No.4674973]

>>4674962
same problem with oil...
you'd need a refinery in every city to fill 100 car tanks

solution: build gas stations, big silos of petrol underground
something like putting a battery underground...

[Anonymous No.4675733]

>The battery weighted just 770 pounds.

Flip, I had no idea that electric car battery weights were this high.

[Anonymous No.4675748]

>>4675733
Weight is one of the big downsides of electric cars.

[Anonymous No.4675805]

>Cars aside, this would mean every home could choose when to consume power based on rate. Negotiating power not just with gas companies but with the local utility as well.
lolno.
Firstly, the idea that you've got negotiating power with gas companies is pretty damn amusing. Most of the gas stations in existence are all parts of a local-level monopoly of a single fuel distributor and distributors rarely ever cross into one another's territories.
Secondly, what about this battery says it's cheap, because it would have to be stupidly cheap for the cost of putting them (one of these suckers won't be enough to power a home), and a rectifier into a home and have it somehow cost less than just purchasing at Peak Season-Peak Time rates--not to mention, you've just put two very lossy elements into your power flow, so you're going to be using a lot more input power just to stay at the same output power. Moreover, having to replace them every decade or so as well?
Additionally, electricity is produced AS it is used and many companies can easily go to a moment by moment pricing structure. A bunch of people attempting to game the system by only trying to get electricity during off-peak times would cause *major* issues with the production side, most of which would end up pushing the cost of production way up.