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Alright.
Let's say you're trapped on an alien world and have been captured by alien scientists.
They don't want to kill you but they know absolutely nothing about you they can't derive from basic observation.
They don't know what you eat or if you even DO eat, they have no idea what you breathe and you're just lucky the gas mix they decided on hasn't already killed you.

You have a notebook and a pen.
You have only a matter of days until suffocation, dehydration, or starvation sets in.

How do you tell them what you need to live?

>> No.4665061

I defiantly kill myself using the pen as a piercing object.

>> No.4665063

I would just grow the fuck up and realize that aliens don't exist.

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4665065

start with this.

also, if they picked you up, chances are they would fill your container with "native flora" and the right mix of gases.

if you got there, they will know you're intelligent and will probably try to help you.
or at least keep you alive for study. which requires finding out where you came from.

>> No.4665067

>>4665056
Depends entirely on them and how cooperative they feel like being. Still, a couple days for water seems to be insufficient unless the aliens are supergeniuses w.r.t. language, and they can have sufficient visual acuity to recognize the marks on the paper, have sufficient mental faculty to be able to process those marks as efficiently as the human brain, etc., then maybe you have a chance.

>> No.4665069 [DELETED] 

Draw another human, and draw me consuming that human. Since they got me, I can at least come to the conclusion that they know where to get another human. If I draw any other animal or food, then there is a chance that they will not understand and I will not get food.
Unfortunate, but I'll have to eat another human.

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4665071

>>4665063
>>4665063

>2012
>thinks aliens don't exist

>> No.4665072

>>>/x/

Aliens are not science.

>> No.4665074

My first idea is to write out the periodic table with simple diagrams and then draw representations of oxygen, water and some sort of carbohydrate or sugar.
Then you get into amino acids, gas balances, protein handedness etc...

Pros: Simple, will probably work
Cons:Let's face it, no one will be able to memorize all that shit

>> No.4665075

so let me get this straight, they're clever enough to solve the non-trivial problem of FTL travel, but they can't figure out basic observation skills to see how an organism feeds?

>> No.4665079

>>4665071
Show me the evidence. Right, there is none. Your aliens have just been disproved by science. Your fairy tale bullshit is debunked.

>> No.4665086

I would use trigonometry to show them our numbering system, then using the numbers I show them what elements I need to eat and in what configurations.

after I get some 181 to drink, I would show them the alphabet and use an IPA to tell them what I was writing and what I am saying, with no stupid dipthongs to confuse them, then I would make very basic connections, my name, what I call 181, other essentials until we have a basic understanding

>> No.4665089

>>4665075
If they are studying you, they are obviously biologists, hence not very bright. The problem of FTL travel has been solved by their physicists.

>> No.4665095

>>4665079
>>4665079

okay, how about the massive numbers of life supporting planets we have found? as well as the extremes that life can exist at?

thinking there is no life anywhere in the universe but here is absolutely naive.
there HAS to be alien species, it is statistically IMPOSSIBLE that there isn't.

oh, and that's from scientific measurements. saying "lol nope! science!" doesn't actually make it so.

>> No.4665096

>>4665065
They found you half dead in a spaceship with barely any atmosphere left in it.
They went through various gas mixes from what they found in your ship and it's currently low oxygen mixed with helium, methane and hydrogen.
Pressure's too low too.

About as easy to breathe as ontop of a mountain.

>> No.4665100

>>4665095
Have we seen aliens? I don't think so. And you know why? Because they don't exist. Talking bullshit about wrongly understood statistics and probability is no different in your case from the usual creationist crap arguments against evolution.

>> No.4665105

>>4665096
if you're moving they would be able to track your trajectory.

even if that doesn't point straight back to earth, you better know your stars. If you can chart out where the solar system is, chances are they will be more than willing to get you back there.
They would be just as excited at meeting an alien species as you were, and would jump at the chance to go to our home world.

>> No.4665108

So are yo guys getting raided by /b/?
I've never seen so many posts or shitposts here before.

>> No.4665110

>>4665105
>leading alien scum back to Earth
>being a tool in the enslavement of mankind

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>>4665100
>>4665100

it's nothing the same, not at all.

in fact, if YOU understood evolution you would be saying the same thing "it is impossible for life to only exist here"

just because you can't understand something doesn't make it not true.

>> No.4665116

>>4665111
>he doesn't actually understand what evolution is

Go on, dig yourself deeper.

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>>4665100
>>4665100

we haven't seen them because space is huge, not because they aren't there. Its true, it is literally impossible that we are the only life in the universe.

go eat more paint

>> No.4665122

>>4665096
They should be able to count, and the shape of water is pretty simple, so draw water, and draw 1, 1, and 8, in tick marks, next to the pieces of the diagram.

>> No.4665126

>>4665111
>>4665120
At least change posting style when samefagging.

>> No.4665132

>>4665126

its called posting a second time to refute a different part of your argument, i wasn't trying to hide that.


you are some kind of stupid I have never encountered before.
how do you breath? I need to know. This is exciting, i've never met someone that could live with no functioning brain before.

>> No.4665133

>>4665056
I would use my faeces to sculpt a miniature model of a person. I would then reconfigure it, eg. moving the arms and legs, and move my arms and legs to the same positions, until I noticed them understand that it was a representation of me. Then I would make another one, which looks different, and move it next to the first. I may leave the first model "dead" on the floor, until the other one is moved close, then it gets up again. When I notice some kind of understanding that "being up" is linked to "being close to another", then I would lay down. Hopefully they would go and pick up another person, who I could then eat.

Once the basics necessities are taken care of, I'd develop a language with them, using whatever symbols are distinguishable by both of us (eg. visible marks, audible sounds, vibrations, etc.). I'd probably start with SK combinatory logic, and build up from there.

>> No.4665135

>>4665111
>>4665120
Cool story, samefag. You're still an idiot. Aliens are fiction for children. Grow up and see they are not real.

>> No.4665141

>>4665132
>called out for samefagging
>can't even hide it
>climb on mirrors

You are pathetic.

>> No.4665142

>>4665135

people like you taunted galileo for saying the earth revolved around the sun. It sure is easy to ignore evidence that you don't like, huh?

see, I don't ignore scientific evidence just because I don't like it, because my IQ is over 15.

>> No.4665150

>>4665142
You have no evidence? Good, that's what I expected. Now shut up and go back to /x/ with your paranormal fiction shit.

>because my IQ is over 15.
For you 16 might sound like high IQ. Let me confirm that it's not.

>> No.4665152

>>4665096
Oh, and you can salivate. If you can salivate, they'll see that it's a liquid. If they have any experience with planets, which I would expect any life to have, they'll have SOMETHING in liquid form, so a water droplet, a teardrop shape, will explain the state of matter.

Once that's done, I'll be feeling a little better, so I will start trying to convey the gases that are in the atmosphere. I am sure they'll be able to tell that I breathe gas in and out, just by feeling the movement of air in and out of my mouth; I assume they're not stupid, if they're scientists and they're from a space-faring world. I could try to see where they're sourcing the gas and gesture for more, after I explain which components need to be in it.

>> No.4665155

>>4665150
The laws of physics and the known initial conditions of the universe. We have lots of evidence for those. From that, it follows that there will be /many/ Earth-like planets, and the odds of abiogenesis seem to be higher than 0, so it follows that there will be Earth-like life in many places out there.

Will we meet them? Entirely different question.

>> No.4665160

>>4665150
>>4665150

alright. how about the long list of planets we have found, within the habitable zone around stars that
a-have liquid water
b-have magnetic fields
and c- have molecules in their atmosphere such as oxygen ad methane, which can only be created in certain concentration by LIFE

THAT SEEMS LIKE EVIDENCE TO ME

saying "nuh-uh! nope! not listening! lalalala!"
isn't going to make it not TRUE

also, in every post you've done nothing but call me dumb and say i'm a child, that's not exactly a "debate" is it.
that's you being stupid as hell.

>> No.4665165

>you're trapped on an alien world
>They don't know what you eat or if you even DO eat
You're fucked.

They've already taken you to another world. They haven't brought any food. They haven't observed you in your natural habitat enough to know that you need food or what kind of food you need.

There's no way you can communicate to them what you need to eat because YOU DON'T KNOW what you need to eat, except in terms of complex lifeforms of your home planet.

More to the point, you're trying to communicate to beings so stupid or so indifferent to your survival that they took a live specimen with no idea of what it needs to live.

You are completely fucked.

>> No.4665180

>>4665165
>not knowing the structure and chemical formula for glucose and water
you can live for months on that alone, so no.

>> No.4665182

>>4665155
Stop spouting pseudo-scientific /x/ bullshit. We have no evidence for aliens. They do not exist. Believing in aliens is no different from believing in other fairy tale bullshit.

>>4665160
>hurr durr habitable planets

Show me how these planets are inhabited or shut the fuck up. Spoiler: they are not.

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>>4665182
>>4665182

okay, confirmed for troll or down syndrome
haven't decided.

you don't belong here though, that's for damn sure.

also, protip.
if MULTIPLE people say you're wrong and then PROVIDE EVIDENCE WHY that doesn't mean that you're right.
it means you're being fucking stupid.

>> No.4665206

>>4665182
>>4665182
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9170683/New-life-in-space-hope-after-billions-of-habitable-
planets-found-in-Milky-Way.html

this is just the milky way.
thats ONE galaxy you pile of retard.
and there's BILLIONS

>> No.4665211

>>4665202
There is no fucking evidence for aliens, just morons not understanding probability. Your stupid babble about habitable planets is meaningless. Your arguments goes like this: Because it is possible, it has to exist. That's religitard logic, not science logic. It is possible that I win the lottery. In your stupidity you'd say that for sure I have to win the lottery next time I play. Grow the fuck up. You must be underageb&.

>> No.4665216

>>4665180
>you can live for months on glucose and water alone
You can possibly stay alive for one or two months, but you're going to get fucked up very quickly by the lack of vitamins, minerals, and protein.

>> No.4665220

>>4665211
>>4665211

so whats your argument?
that it is possible on billions of planets and billions of galaxies and that life CAN survive out there,
but it hasn't because "ha I say so"

you sir, are fucking dumb as hell.

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4665224

do u guise know dat funny aliens meme from reddit? ;)

>> No.4665229

>>4665220
It fucking hasn't. Show me how it has. You can't, because you're wrong and stupid. Believing in shit with absolutely no evidence is an indicator for low intelligence. You proved that sufficiently.

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>>4665211
>2012
>not understanding probabilities

>> No.4665233

>>4665211
No, it's "You're bound to win the lottery, if you play a billion times." Do you disagree with that?

>> No.4665234

What a retarded scenario. Being an advanced species they would at least have some tools to analyze what you are made of and make a nutritious compound based on that.

>> No.4665240

>>4665229
>>4665229
DEAR GOD YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS

I ALREADY FUCKING SAID THIS SHIT

>>4665160
>>4665160

RIGHT FUCKING THERE

AND RIGHT FUCKING HERE >>4665206
>>4665206


so you just choose to ignore evidence you don't like?
that is called being retarded. i hope you enjoy it

>> No.4665244

>>4665230
I know it's terrible, but this aliens guy seems to be that stupid.

>>4665233
For the lottery we can calculate the probality, for the creation of life on other planets we can't. Your "hurr durr I want to believe in magic and shit" doesn't constitute a scientifically supported probability distribution.

>> No.4665250

>>4665244
I didn't say there were aliens. I'm only in this thread to argue with stupid strawman interpretations of other people's arguments.

>> No.4665253

>>4665250
So you agree there are no fucking aliens? Good, I hope you learnt something.

>> No.4665254

>>4665244
>>4665244
WE FUCKING CAN AND WE FUCKING HAVE, THATS THE POINT

just because YOU.
A NON QUALIFIED
NON EDUCATED
NON SCIENTIFIC MORON
says so
DOES
NOT
MAKE
IT SO

i'm going to believe the fucking EXPERTS on this one. not some random mouthshitter on the internet that just want's to think hes special.

>> No.4665258

>>4665216
well I was assuming you would also be drinking your own piss.

but yea, I would hope after two earth months I would have explained to them I need retinol to keep seeing.

>> No.4665262

>>4665253
Go fuck yourself. You're only interested in bludgeoning your views into other people. Now I want to tell you I believe there must be other life, just to piss you off, because you're a retarded blowhard with no respect. You're willfully misinterpreting others' statements, ignoring everything anyone says, and being a jackass. Tell me where you live so I can come break your limbs.

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>>4665254
Calm down, don't take it so personally.

>> No.4665267

>>4665262
i'm with this guy
Ill bring a machete, someone this stupid doesn't deserve to breath.

>> No.4665268

>>4665254
Why so mad? No need to insult me for correcting your utter bullshit. You don't know shit about probability. Right now we have to say the empirical probability of aliens existing is 0%. We haven't seen any. You don't belong on this board. Morons, children and fairy tale believers should go to /x/, /b/, or leave 4chan at all.

>> No.4665269

>>4665258
>drinking your own piss
Your kidneys wouldn't last long.

>> No.4665274

>>4665269
up to 3 times and then water concentration is too low to be healthy

>> No.4665277

>>4665262
Stop being mad. You can just accept that you were wrong. This is science. In science you can be right or wrong. You are wrong and I am right. Evidence is on my side.

>> No.4665278

>>4665268
see
>>4665262
and >>4665267

I agree.

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4665279

>>4665278
>he's so mad he needs to samefag

>> No.4665284

>>4665229
I don't believe their are aliens.
But it seems to me that you believe that their aren't.

>> No.4665289

>>4665284
>their

How am I supposed to take you serious anymore?

>> No.4665290

I draw some motherfucking oxygen molecules

I draw some motherfucking water molecules

And I draw some animals roasting over a fire

gg

>> No.4665294

>>4665269
Yeah, I would probably be fucked in a few months. I could at least describe what I need to breathe. Some nitrogen, and sufficiently much oxygen. And then maybe I could describe amino acids. I could try to explain with blank spaces that there is something attached to it, and maybe eventually replace it with a symbol, "R". They wouldn't have to know what that means, just that my other drawings had circles where the atoms were supposed to be, and this just had a missing piece. I could probably survive a bit longer if I had some amino acids.

Basically, survival comes down to memorizing this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_nutrient

>> No.4665297

>>4665277
You have no evidence that there can't be life outside this planet, so you are wrong.

>> No.4665301

>>4665289
>>4665289
you've got like 4 different people all calling you stupid.
that wasn't me, or the other two guys.

>> No.4665303

>>4665297
It's your burden of proof. As long as there's no evidence, there are no aliens. Simple, isn't it? Same way we do it with ghosts, unicorns and other paranormal magic shit. The absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

>> No.4665307

>>4665301
>4 different people

lol no, you're still samefagging.

>> No.4665312

>>4665303

we've provided ample evidence.
you've just chosen to ignore it.
that is not our failing, it's yours.

>> No.4665315

>>4665312
Show me your fucking evidence. Show me an alien. You can't and you know it.

>> No.4665318

>>4665303
If we can't learn from experience that things don't occur just once, we're going to be in sorry shape when we keep getting surprised, by being invaded, by being betrayed, by being nuked.

>> No.4665321

>>4665318
>spouting more idiotic fiction and fantasy bullshit

back to >>>/x/
/sci/ is the SCIENCE board

>> No.4665325

>>4665277
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WHETHER ALIENS EXIST. WE DON'T KNOW; WE DON'T HAVE AN ALIEN. WHETHER IT'S EXTREMELY LIKELY OR UNLIKELY, WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW.

This thread is about hypothetical spacefaring aliens. Let's talk about being captured by hypothetical spacefaring aliens that can see.

>> No.4665327

>>4665325
Why should we discuss hypothetical bullshit here? We have /x/ for threads like this. /sci/ is for science.

>> No.4665331

>>4665327
It is about science. How do you, as a person utterly unable to communicate by means of language, assist rational empiricists to provide you the nutrition you need to survive?

>> No.4665333

God you guys are easy to troll.

>> No.4665334

>>4665333
Yes.

>> No.4665335

>>4665331
That's not science, that's childish and silly fantasy nonsense. At best you might call it philosophy.

>> No.4665337

>>4665333
>God

Get the fuck out. This is an atheist board.

>> No.4665340

>>4665333
It's not trolling, it's just inane bullshitting and taunting and baiting. There's a difference between igniting a shitstorm with practically no effort, and being half of a shitstorm. The first is trolling, and the second is being insufferable.

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>mfw all you "scientists" are making 1 8 1 marks on the ground and the aliens say, "Sorry to interrupt, ol' chap, but we wanted to keep you from making a fool of yourself."

>> No.4665345

Probably would be best to start writing down the cheical formula pbshit in picture form. Like do h2o as a drawing.

>> No.4665346

>>4665335
>philosophy
This is about fucking chemicals and launguage science.
Not the fucking nature of the universe.

>> No.4665349

>>4665346
Congratulations, you win the award "herpest derp of /sci/".

>> No.4665351

>>4665335
It's thinking about science, stripped down to its fundamentals - observation. Half the threads on here aren't even remotely about science.

>> No.4665353

>>4665346
Fuck that guy; I think you're awesome.

>> No.4665354

>>4665341
This is how it would go.

Also, lol-ing. Good work. British accents are the best.

>> No.4665355

>>4665351
>hurr durr half of the threads are not science

So you think a pile of shit makes it morally viable to take another shit on it?

>> No.4665362

>>4665351
>observation

There's no observation in here. We haven't observed aliens. A shitty fantasy game is not an observation.

>> No.4665366

>>4665355
No, I said half the threads were much worse than this thread, excepting that you made this thread shit by bitching constantly. This thread would have been an improvement, except for your faggotry. It could only be a bad thing if the other threads were actually all about science and we were actually doing science or math in all threads and then someone came in with this. We aren't there yet, and we will never be there, not on 4chan, so your argument is shit.

>> No.4665374

Do we seriously have people on /sci/ who believe in aliens?
Looks like we've already become a second /x/ with all the qualia, tulpa, transhumanism, dualism, religion, free will and other paranormal shit.

>> No.4665380

>>4665366
This thread is shit and you know it. It does belong to /x/. Believing in aliens and similar fairy tales is not science. Neither are role playing games and fantasies. Get your shit together and get some decent education before posting on a science board.

>> No.4665381

>>4665362
True, but anyone can play the role of the nihilist. Why argue on /sci to begin with? We're all in the matrix anyway, right? Snap out of it, man! We're scientists, not fucking philosophers!

>> No.4665383

>>4665362
What is your problem? It says so right in the text - they are only allowed to use basic observation. OBSERVATION. The word's right in there. And it doesn't matter that they're aliens. What if they're intelligent, Earth-derived xenophiles? What if they have no idea how your physiology works?

Let's just say "aliens" because it's the most efficient and effective way of communicating the idea that all they're allowed is observation, and you have to establish every idea and work from the ground up to establish communication.

>> No.4665385

>>4665381
We are scientists and no fucking philosophers. Damn right. That's why this thread is an abysmal failure, because it has nothing to do with science.

>> No.4665388

>>4665383
>Only observation
>Not allowed to communicate back
Oh, you're fucked then. Via the spirit of the problem, it's basically impossible. If communication were allowed, then maybe...

>> No.4665392

christ people, ignore this faggot, there is one guy trolling like 5 of you, and you are really getting mad, seriously for the smartest board /sci/ is really fucking stupid sometimes


i think it depends on how the aliens have developed, its quite possible that they might not have any idea about the concept of eating at all, perhaps they diffuse air and water through their skin without making a conscious effort, in such a case i think it would be extremely hard to communicate the concept of eating; however if they are vaguely familiar with the concept of food, as was said earlier it shouldnt be too hard to establish that you breathe 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen and require water and glucose, and once those basic hurdles are overcome you have time to work on establishing communication with the aliens to get actual food and such

>> No.4665394

>>4665383
It's funny how you move from aliens to other even more absurd paranormal stuff. This shit is still not science. At best it is a philosophical thought experiment, but due to the low intellect of the posters ITT I seriously doubt we're gonna have any decent philosophy debate. Philosphy doesn't belong on /sci/ anyway.

>> No.4665397

>>4665394
>Discussing unproven things is not /sci/
>Thus, discussing experiments about the Higgs Boson is not /sci/
Sorry, going to have to disagree here.

>> No.4665401

>>4665392
Fun thing is that nobody is trolling ITT. There's just a bunch of underageb& morons who want to believe in magic and who don't understand science and I am correcting them.

>> No.4665409

>>4665380
We're not roleplaying, we're analyzing. If you want to see roleplay, get someone to start interacting with a hypothetical alien, start writing a story and making up details.

And science relies on ideas of the fantastic to give us direction. Going to the fucking moon was fantastic 200 years ago. We did it 50 years ago. If aliens can exist, maybe they do exist. If aliens do exist, maybe this could happen. Can you approach it reasonably, instead of shitposting?

/x/ is about phenomena that aren't or can't be explained by science, generally of questionable existence. This is about describing ideas created by science to creatures capable of science. We KNOW creatures capable of science exist, so this does not belong on /x/.

>> No.4665411

>>4665397
The higgs boson is a scientific theory that was mathematically derived from scientific observations and that leads to testable predictions. I hope you see how this is different from durrrrr aliens and fantasy.

>> No.4665412

I'd talk to them in math using tally marks for numbers. Any technological race will understand math. And maybe basic drawings of myself.

>> No.4665413

>>4665385
The thread is not attempting to prove the existence of aliens, genius. It was a given. If that hadn't been the case I would have been the first to call OP a fag.

Do you honestly think there are a bunch of scientists sitting on their fucking hands waiting for the Higgs-Boson particle to be found? No. I think if you were prepared to think aliens don't exist, you probably shouldn't have posted in a thread which, as a given, assumes they exist.

>> No.4665418

>>4665394
Yeah, it's hard to discuss philosophy when half the posts in the thread are yours and the other half are people responding to your idiocy. Thanks for making the average thoughtfulness of the posts in this thread so much lower than it could have been without you!

>> No.4665420

>>4665409
You confirmed for underage. Your babble is so horribly immature, I don't even know where to start in correcting all of it. Science is done by the scientific method, not by childish fantasy. It wasn't dumbasses who thought about "hurrrrr how would it feel like to be on the moon" who brought us up their, it was hard scientists and engineers who were based in reality.

>> No.4665424

>>4665418
HAHAHAHA

Your silly insults lower the average IQ of the thread even more.

>> No.4665428

I'm sorry to everyone in the thread. It had potential to be good. We could have talked about how "radical translation" is bullshit (and/or hear from its defenders).

Instead, we have this autistic asshat here:
>>4665420
who is trying to conflate discussions about aliens with discussions about leprechauns as far as I can tell.

>> No.4665429

>>4665413
I know it was a given and that makes the thread even more worthless and unscientific. Why not make more threads discussing gnomes, leprechauns and elves as given? That's about the same thing.

>> No.4665430

that's easy /sci/fags
draw pic of burger and blanket

done

>> No.4665435

>>4665411
The existence of aliens is a scientific theory that was mathematically derived from scientific observations and that leads to testable predictions. I hope you see how this is different from durrrrr aliens.

The differences are that aliens would probably exist so far away they'd be hard to detect even now, and that no one claims to have been abducted by a Higgs boson, so crackpots aren't associated with high-energy physics.

We predict, based on the theory that life was generated on this planet, that, given other planets with similar conditions, life could have begun on other planets as well.

>> No.4665437

>>4665428
You shouldn't tripfag as "scientist", when in fact you have no fucking idea of science. Call them aliens or leprechauns. It's the same fucking thing: paranormal magic shit with absolutely NO evidence.

>> No.4665440

>>4665435
>aliens
>mathematical theory
>backed up by observations

You better be trolling. 0/10

>> No.4665444

>>4665429
Good point, though if you ask me, there are far more silly things discussed on /sci that make the assumption of extraterrestrial life not that big of a stretch.

>> No.4665448

>>4665428
Scientist, let's ignore this guy and have ourselves a real conversation.

Basically, it comes down to knowing this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_nutrient

That's something I said a bit earlier, but no one seemed to make comment. If you have these things, so it would seem, you have the nutrition needed to stay alive.

>> No.4665450

>>4665444
The typical shitposter fallacy again:
>it is allowed to shitpost because /sci/ is already full of shit threads and so it doesn't matter much
This is WRONG. This is like saying murder is okay within a genocide, because hurr durr everyone is doing it.

>> No.4665454

>>4665448
Oh great, another immature tripfag preferring fantasy and fiction over actual science and math.

>> No.4665457

>>4665450
I agree. Making shit posts in any such thread is not okay, including this one.

>> No.4665459

>>4665454
Go make an actual science or math thread, link to it in this thread, and go away. The content of threads is not determined by your own desires, it's determined by interest from the denizens of 4chan. Make an interesting thread about science or math, link to it, and get rid of shit threads by posting GOOD ones, not by shitting in bad ones.

>> No.4665465

>>4665459
The content of threads is determined by the board. Why didn't OP post his shit on /p/? Damn right, because it's not about photography. Neither is it about science or math. So he should take it to /x/ or /b/, where it belongs.

>> No.4665475

You guys realise he's trolling right? If he weren't, he would've saged at least one of his posts. Just ignore him and move along.

>> No.4665476

>>4665428
Scientist, I'm dead serious. What is your thought on being able to express numbers and geometric shapes through drawing? What is your thinking about being able to express molecules in that way?

>> No.4665480

>>4665475
>implying sage has any effect, when the thread is gonna get bumped again anyway

>> No.4665500

Know they captured you from Earth.
Assume that if their smart enough to build a fucking spaceship, they're smart enough to observe how humans live.
They probably abduct some cheeseburgers or something.
Problem solved.

>> No.4665555

>>4665150
>For you 16 might sound like high IQ. Let me confirm that it's not.
>For you 16 might sound like high IQ
>For you 16 might sound like high IQ.

You can't even string together a simple sentence and you are calling others retarded?

>> No.4665562
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4665562

>>4665142
YOU PEOPLE KILLED JESUS!!

>> No.4665576
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4665576

There are atleast 10.000 Earth-like planets in our galaxy alone.

We have over 4000 cases where UFOs have landed on Earth and left physical evidence. (ancient times)

We have over 350 cases where commercial jetline or military pilots have encountered or engaged UFOs.

We have hundreds of cases where these objects were seen travelling thousands of miles per hour or dematerializing and appearing in another place.

There are thousands of images, videos, witnesses and documentaries showing UFOs or aliens.

Many giant crop circles, were *perfectly* made,
impossible to be done by humans in the middle of the night with nothing but a wooden plank.

>2012
>still believing we are alone in the universe
Hahahaha, oh wow.

>> No.4665581

>>4665576

>>>/x/

>> No.4665583

>>4665581
It's not paranormal if it's normal.

>> No.4665600

>>4665135
>Grow up and see they are not real.
1. Humans exist
2. Beings such as humans, are not the result of creation, but of a natural process
3. There are other planets in a stable orbit around a sun
4. Without any evidence to the contrary, the default stance is that similar natural processes occur on similar planets
5. Without any evidence to the contrary, it is likely that there are beings (such as humans) on other planets
Of course, this is not a rigourous proof, but merely an analysis of which side of the argument carries the burden of proof.
To make the statement that there are no aliens, you need to prove that either one of the 5 points is invalid, or that the natural process that formed humans is such an unlikely event, that it is far more likely that it happened only once, rather then never.

The statement that aliens have any sort of contact with earth is a completely different statement, though. There the default stance is that aliens have no contact with earth, and the proposition that they do needs sufficient proof.

>> No.4665609

>>4665576
They had string, too.

>> No.4665614
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4665614

>ok so there seems to be a bit of a useless argument going on here. i vote that we change the scenario to this :
you are a lone test pilot in a super advanced wormhole traversing faster than light drive space ship. you are way the fuck off course and nowhere even close to earth. your ship is about to go nuclear and these aliens come by and notice that
1. this ship is about to explode and
2. there is something that might be alive on it.
being good galactic citizens they beam(just accept that for arguments sake) you onto their ship seconds before the whole thing is vaporized. they only got a half assed scan of the atmosphere inside the ship and so the air mixture is not quite right.
you wake up in an observation room with writing implement and paper like stuff or a touch screen or something. doesn't really matter.

You have only a matter of days until suffocation, dehydration, or starvation sets in.

How do you tell them what you need to live?

there!

>> No.4665618

>>4665600
Your point 5 is in invalid. It's called a non-sequitur.

>> No.4665621

>>4665576
>There are atleast 10.000 Earth-like planets in our galaxy alone.
We don't know the exact figure, but we have some small sample size of observations that seem to indicate that this is an underestimate even.
>We have over 4000 cases where UFOs have landed on Earth and left physical evidence. (ancient times)
Ancient aliens. Seriously?
>We have over 350 cases where commercial jetline or military pilots have encountered or engaged UFOs.
Engaging UFO's? Like foo fighters? You are retarded.
?We have hundreds of cases where these objects were seen travelling thousands of miles per hour or dematerializing and appearing in another place.
Or they were lens flares, lightning bulbs, or closer then the observer believes.
>There are thousands of images, videos, witnesses and documentaries showing UFOs or aliens.
Images and video's are definite proof. Unless they are of the moon landing, of course.
>Many giant crop circles, were *perfectly* made, impossible to be done by humans in the middle of the night with nothing but a wooden plank.
Ehm, the first crop circles were a hoax. They were never registered before that hoax, and they were everywhere after that hoax. Even most believers don't believe in those anymore.
>2012
>still believing we are alone in the universe
>Hahahaha, oh wow.
And somehow you do arrive at the correct conclusion.

>> No.4665631

also i am tempted to say that there are no aliens anywhere near us. we have a EM bubble what? like 70 light years around? unless the SETI fags are slacking off or not decoding it from the background noise, any space faring people should have a bubble hundreds of light years around at least. so unless we are in a quarantine zone and their signals are being canceled out/our computers hacked i would say that there is no intelligent life close to us.

>> No.4665637

>>4665621
what about the crop circles where the stalks are bent over and not trampled? or the ons that happened super fast during the day?

>> No.4665640
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4665640

>draw an atom and write 16 to indicate oxygen
>draw all kinds of charts (like pie and bars and stuff) chart and indicate 20% or a whole

that takes care of the suffocation

>draw a simplistic digestive system
>draw glicuose molecules
>draw water molecules
>all molecules indicating their number of protons and neutrons

that takes care of starvation and dehydration

>open porn stash
>fap

that takes care of the human culture

>> No.4665641

>>4665618
>Process A yields result B
>Process A happened at location C
>Without counter evidence, process A happens at location C', if C is sufficiently similar to C.
Conclusion
>Without counter evidence, result B happend at C'.

What is non-sequitor about that?
Replace A by some chemical reaction, B as the resulting chemical, and C as an erlenmeyer flask and C' as a test tube.

>> No.4665646

>>4665641
>without counter evidence

This is an argument from ignorance.

>> No.4665647

>>4665640

Also I'm just hoping they have eyes. If not, I'm fucked.

>> No.4665652

>>4665637
People being careful?
People being quick?
How do you explain special effects (non-cgi) in a movie? Unless your a special effect expert, you can't explain it. Yet, you're sure that it's just a movie, and that building didn't really just blow up.
How do you explain a disappearing human in a box, at a magic show? Unless you're a magician, you can't. Yet you know that it's just a trick, and the person didn't really disappear.
In both cases, you know that the most likely explanation is that somebody worked very hard to create an illusion. Just draw the line to crop circles. I can't explain them, but that's just 'cause I'm no crop circle creation expert.

>> No.4665675

>>4665652
what about the crop circles where the stalks are bent over and not trampled?

>> No.4665687

ITT: A troll pretends to be a dumb ignorant fucktard, and ends up revealing the total retardation of a few anons of /sci/, showing that they have absolutely no fucking intelligence whatsoever.

>> No.4665692

>>4665646
No it's not.
It's a general argument.
If you see a white swan, and another one, and another one, etc. You will (and should!) believe that the next swan is white. Unless, of course, you have evidence that this will not be the case.
That's what I'm trying to say.
We know that life CAN evolve on a planet. You need to have evidence to convince me that it cannot (or did not) evolve on another planet.

>> No.4665698

>>4665675
I don't need to explain every magic trick to succesfully argue that a magic show doesn't employ real magic, but is an illusion.

>> No.4665713

>>4665065
Wait. Shouldn't we write numbers like that:
0 X
1 .
2 ..
3 ...
[4-8]
9 .........
10 .X

?

>> No.4665720

>>4665713
That was dumb, sorry.

>> No.4665728

>>4665614
this isn't nearly enough info, neither is the OP
the first obvious action would be to observe the aliens, what do they look like, how does it seem they communicate
what technology do they have around
what writing instument did they give you and what did they give you to write on
i would attempt to first show them i need water by drawing pictures of atoms and making hydrogen and oxygen
using tally marks to count i would show them what the base 10 number system was by using tally marks
i would probably try drawing trees
i'd probably be fucked cause i don't know all the nutrients i need to survive
but i would try my best to observe the aliens and figure things out about them in order to communicate better

>> No.4665732
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4665732

>>4665698
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/education.html

explain ultrasound and magnet fields eminating from these crop circles

explain how the stalks are bent PERFECTLY,
every single one of them.

pic related
>somehow done by humans in the middle of the night with a wooden plank in just 1 hour

>> No.4665737

>>4665732
I'll try explaining as soon as you've demonstrated all those claims to be true.

>> No.4665914

it should be pretty easy to show numbers, base 10 system etc. then draw a few atomic structures so they get what you're doing, and just write down the periodic table, or a bunch of useful elements like carbon, hydrogen, oxygen. they're probably understand that.

you'd probably have to draw another diagram illustrating a sequence of solid, liquid and gaseous states.

illustrate approx 1cm^2 as an area, then quickly extrapolate the metric system of volumes.

then request 79/100 nitrogen + 21/100 oxygen as a gas.
request a couple of litres of h2o as a liquid.
and for the time being, so you don't die within the next couple of weeks, request c6h12o6 as a solid.

that should buy you some time.

>> No.4665949

>>4665732

We moved past just wooden planks and string in the mid-90s (though you would probably be amazed what I could do with just those simple tools).

Hint:
http://www.iop.org/news/11/aug/page_51614.html

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4665990

>>4665056

> Implying they give a shit about your wellbeing

If there's one thing human biologists have taught us, is that research in the name of science will quickly skip the whole "try to assess intelligence, use of symbols and tools and study in natural habitat' and go straight to "cut open body with no anesthesia and see if has lungs".

>> No.4665995

>>4665732

> Argument from ignorance

My god what are you doing on my /sci/

>> No.4666057

Math, always use math.

>> No.4666062

>>4665914

>request c6h12o6 as a solid.

...and you receive cellulose and still die of starvation.

>> No.4666064

>>4665949
Recently, my crop circle art group has started building and using computerized vehicles based on the Avrocar, which use microwaves to make the crops lay down.

We can really get in there, impress the design, and get back out again very quickly, leaving no footprints or other evidence. This is especially important since none of us are Americans, and we could be deported if we're caught.

>> No.4666069

>>4665990
god damnit it looks so real, did they arrest the researchers?

>> No.4666081

Use pip marks to denote the atomic numbers of various elements, correlate them to our letters, and then draw chemical diagrams. Like this, for water:

. H
........ O

H--O--H


Give them the diagrams for a few sugars, the 9 essential amino acids, and indicate the minerals needed. (Phosphorus, sulfur, chlorine, potassium, sodium, etc.)

>> No.4666090

>>4666069

> looks real

... can't tell if troll...

Are you fucking daft? It's the standard way for single-cell recordings on mamals - cut off top of skull, implant electrode mesh, seal off with medicinal cement that doesn't cause the tissue to react, job done. This is as legal as they come.

Fucking morons, any civilization worth surviving would have moved on to rapists, murderers and pop-celebrities by now.

>> No.4666108

>>4666064
You heard it here, folks: it was aliens in a flying saucer using a death ray.

>> No.4666118

>This is especially important since none of us are Americans
>We are aliens
One internets for you