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Does anyone fucking hate college?

I am finishing up my third year of five for an engineering degree.
I'm burnt out, tired, and bored. I lost all my passion I had for life going in to college. It's nothing like they say.

I just want a career and more time to do what I want. I'm sick of studying my ass off and going to class all the time and then working a shit job to make ends barely meet.

Tl;dr college fucking sucks.

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>career
>having time to do what you want

Pick one.

>> No.4634791

I feel you.

But there's always vacations, and is in those times when you realize you can get bored of your hobbies too if you do it all fucking day for months.

>> No.4634792

life sucks,
deal with it

>> No.4634797

I know that feel man. I started college in 2006, went to a school smaller than my high school to play football and baseball for a year, hated the people. Came back home, got caught up with friends and bombed some community college classes. Took me forever to dig myself out of that hole. Now I'm about a year or two away from finally getting my bachelors and I can not wait any longer. I'm actually looking forward to a decent job (hopefully, but who knows with this fucked economy). I should have graduated in 2009 with everyone else my age. Stupid mistakes man. Just stay on track and trust me, with that engineering degree it will all be worth it.

>> No.4634798

Life generally keeps getting worse.

>> No.4634800

>>4634772
>of five
pffft, try doing all of that in 4, I barely have time to take a shit most days.

>>4634779
Actually, depending on the discipline, some engineers with a decent career have a lot of free time on their hands.

>> No.4634801

Same thing happened to me too, OP. Studying engineering, burned out, got way behind the normal curriculum, considered quitting... but I kept trucking and hit my second wind, and I'm damn near finished with this higher education business.

You'll be alright, OP.

>> No.4634809

Yeah guys, don't be so excited about graduating, there are engineering graduates that have been unemployed for a years at the moment...there's...always...g...g..ggrad...school though. ;_;

Our job prospects look like what you'd expect for pure science grads during normal economic times.

>> No.4634811

>>4634791
This.

It doesn't feel like a vacation unless you earned it, but when you do earn it, the feeling is glorious.

>> No.4634812

>>4634809
>Degree doesn't get you a job because you didn't make connections during college
>Spend more money and time going to grad school instead of making connections so you can get a job
Sounds like a solid plan, bro.

>> No.4634818

>>4634812
Do you really think it makes a difference?
Networking doesn't mean shit if no one can afford to hire you.

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>>4634809
>not going to grad school for the science

>> No.4634824

i have to write an eight page paper on arabic poetry in two dues. i have an exam on primatalogy but i don't give a fuck about monkeys anymore. im graduating with mediocre grades in economics and anthropology. yeah i fucking hate college.

>> No.4634833

>>4634824
>economics and anthropology
Seems semi-scientific. What do you plan on doing after college?

>> No.4634837

>>4634818
Not the guy you're asking, but I think it matters. Instead of spending all the money on grad school if you actually start your career earlier you'll have more experience than someone going to grad school. It all falls back to the job experience vs. academic experience debate which I found an interesting article on awhile ago.

http://www.archrival.com/ideas/9/internships-the-new-college-degree

behold.

>> No.4634838

>>4634833
probably sucking dick? i can probably move $150k per year if I go to Canada. femfag btw

>> No.4634840

>>4634838
>female
>career goals: sucking dick
Seems legit.

>> No.4634845

>>4634837
>that feel when missed out on internships
I tried, but I never got into any. One year of college left.

>> No.4634850

>>4634840
A few years of six figures off the books and I'll have paid off my loans, bought a couple of properties and secured a marriage of convenience into a single-payer jurisdiction. You will be a junior level analyst in a firm that is busy outsourcing its business cycle to one of the many autocracies with whom we trade "freely". I will retire by 30; you will have a fatal heart attack by 40.

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>>4634838
>femfag

>> No.4634862

I'm only a freshman so maybe I'll change.

But basically it was as expected. Math and Computers = fun, English = shit.

The courses about your majors as gonna be fun. If they aren't, you're in the wrong field. I can not understand when I'm sitting in calc and engineers complain about not liking it.

>> No.4634867

>>4634862
I learned a long time ago that there's a world of difference between studying what you enjoy and studying what you enjoy at college.

You'll understand in a year or two.

>> No.4634870

>>4634867
I learned that the hard way. Decided to do Information Systems/IT stuff but my school is the one school in Virginia that classifies that in the Business program. Requires all students to take 2 courses in Accounting and Economics. I can't get the hang of accounting so I had to change majors. Subsequently losing out on a damn good career salary compared to what I'll probably be making now.

>> No.4634876

You have to really love the field, not "i lyk sciense so i thout HEY! y not make muney by being a engineer!!!!!". You won't enjoy it if it isn't your driving force in life. Think of it this way:

Would you be an engineer or a scientist or technologist or mathematician if it didn't pay well? If you thought you'd be working 8 hours a day or more for 35k a year?

Unless you mean general ed classes then yeah those suck dick, lol.

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>>4634772
>Tl;dr college fucking sucks.
then quit you stupid short sighted fuck!
you've no idea how fucking privileged you are to even be able to go, do you?
yeh, so you may as well just quit and save yourself the cash.

enjoy your fucking mcjob, loser

>> No.4634919

>>4634876
>Would you be an engineer or a scientist or technologist or mathematician if it didn't pay well? If you thought you'd be working 8 hours a day or more for 35k a year?
Were it only so easy.

You can love something all you want, that doesn't mean you will actually get to do it, I'm slowly starting to realize that I won't get a job at all, not if I look at credentials of people unemployed for x amount of months that I have to compete with.
On top of all that the universities squeeze every possible cent out of you, they force you to take shit not related to your major, buy the professors shitty textbook etc...scholarships and bursaries can only cover so much. After all that work and stress to finish my degree I've got fuckall to show for it, just a piece of paper that won't get me a job until the economy stops being a dick. I would've been better of getting a job and studying science and engineering in my free time, I obviously would never get to work in the field that way, but it looks like I wont get to work in the field now and I spend more time studying things unrelated to major because of my frustration.

>inb4: that's not me I have a 4.0 gpa and _ and ...
Yeah, turns out the world doesn't always work that way, there are Ivy league graduates with better gpa's, more experience and internships that can't get a job.


tl;dr fuck college, it drains all the passion you have for something.

>> No.4634922

>>4634917
Going to college is not a privilege unless your parents are paying for it you stupid bitch.

>> No.4634924 [DELETED] 

>>4634922
most people dont even get to go, and end up having shit lives because of it (globally i mean, as in, the shit countries)

dickhead

>> No.4634925 [DELETED] 

>>4634922
Oh, I'm so sorry anon, I had no idea some people actually have to work to earn scholarships/money to pay for college. I guess it's because I'm retarded and my parents pay for everything, therefore everyone at college gets the same privileges as me.

>> No.4634932

>>4634924
I love you!!!

>> No.4634935

>>4634924
>most people dont even get to go, and end up having shit lives because of it (globally i mean, as in, the shit countries)

Christ you're retarded, have you ever considered that some of us had to work to get into college, it's not a fucking privilege, that's like saying it's a privilege to harvest a crop you sowed and I happen to be one of those people born in a third world country so go fuck yourself.

>> No.4634937

>>4634924
Actually colleges in 3rd world countries do not charge a whopping $50,000 a year. Even when compared to the local standards of living, going to college is much more affordable compared to the US.

College tuition in the US is a whole bag of suck. Only the top schools can justify that kind of price, barely.

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>>4634935
eat shit you fucking retard!

>some of us had to work to get into college
its not fucking hard, as long as you've got money they're happy to take it from you, basically.
im not saying EVERY college, but you can be thick as shit and still get into SOME fucking college (for retards) which in your case, i'd recommend.
cunt

>> No.4634950

>>4634940
You should consider yourself too immature to be on /sci/. That's Tourette syndrome right there.

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>>4634950
>swearing is bad, mmmkay
harden the fuck up

>> No.4634956

>>4634952
He is right. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>> No.4634957

>>4634952
There's a difference between being in control and being mad when swearing. Your madness is off the charts and being an avatarfag doesn't help your case. It's like reading a youtube comment.
People on 4chan also swear, but they are different from youtube users. You are the kind of fag that belongs on youtube.

>> No.4634959

>>4634937

Elite universities in 3rd world countries charged around $2500 per semester. That's fucking expensive for poor people. You can buy 10 top-tier escort girls (celebrity level) with that money.

Also, as soon as you graduate, entry-level jobs start at $600 per month. That's $7,200 per year for working 8 hours a day for a whole year.

>> No.4634961

>>4634940
Again, you're talking from the point of view of some bitch who's parents paid for everything.

>its not fucking hard, as long as you've got money they're happy to take it from you, basically.
Who said I had money? I'm talking about the scholarships I had to win and money I had to earn through REAL work.
>im not saying EVERY college, but you can be thick as shit and still get into SOME fucking college (for retards) which in your case, i'd recommend.
No shit everyone can get into college, that's my point, you're paying for "education" and (for most of us) you don't go unless you have the money for it and you're sure you can be successful at it, you'd have to be clinically retarded NOT to get into college. Maybe it was hard for you to get in, since you're majoring in something that clinically retarded people might actually be able to do, but just because you're privileged to have your parents pay for you. Society's resources is wasted on people like you and truly pisses me off, get a blue collar job.

>> No.4634974 [DELETED] 

>>4634961
>Maybe it was hard for you to get in, since you're majoring in something that clinically retarded people might actually be able to do
do you even fucking know what i do?
zoology is actually pretty hard, try taking even one exam in it, ace it, and then you can come back and talk shit about it, because you obviously have no fucking clue. ignorant twat.

>Society's resources is wasted on people like you and truly pisses me off, get a blue collar job.
fuck you, i work for what i get, and im not getting a blue collar job, i dont ever accept anything less than the best.

>> No.4634982

>>4634974
EK please be mine. We will drink cheap wine and smoke herb until the new millenium.

>> No.4634983

>>4634974
>zoology is actually pretty hard
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You know, one thing I can tell you is that people who DO actually have to earn their way into college, don't go for anything other than engineering, law, business, medicine or hard science.

You're in the same class as people who's parents pay for their worthless liberal arts degrees while they spend their 3 years drinking and screwing.

>> No.4634990 [DELETED] 

>>4634983
zoology IS hard science!

>spend their 3 years drinking and screwing.
uni's about fun and socialising as well, you know? its not just studying all the time.
i only have lectures 3 days a week actually.

>> No.4634994

>>4634983

Zoology is a respectable and fascinating field of study. Get over yourself.

No this is not EK.

>> No.4635006

>>4634974
You are kidding right?

I've done some zoology classes and I will say they were not that hard. It is a fair bit to memorize but no harder then doing a second level Neuroscience class.

>> No.4635018

>>4635006

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that memorization doesn't make a subject hard. It makes the course itself stupid. Yes that's right, a subject is taught in a stupid way if you are forced to remember things that you can easily look up.

An ideal test in, for instance, mathematics is an open book test where every student can easily look up definitions and theorems that have been taught.

>> No.4635023 [DELETED] 

>>4635006
a lot of it is memorisation, yeh. but thats what im good at, i play to my strengths (also i like animals, so this was an obvious choice)
most people really struggle with it, it really IS ah ard class, its just that im really good at it.

>> No.4635029

>>4635023
It doesn't mean it's hard. It means you're a tool and the course is stupid.

People should spend time understanding things and putting knowledge to practice, not memorizing things.

>> No.4635034

>>4635023
No-one cares.

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>>4635029
i understand it AND i memorise it! learning IS maninly memorisatioN! thats just a fact, even doing things liek physics you have to remember the things that they tell you in the fucking lectures!
and the course isnt fucking stupid you fucking asshole troll!

>> No.4635038

>>4634867
>I learned a long time ago that there's a world of difference between studying what you enjoy and studying what you enjoy at college.


What? there is absolutely no difference whatsoever save that at university they provide you practical experience and links to lots of scientific papers and useful websites you might not have found yourself as well as lots of opportunities to interact with active researchers in your area of interest. Studying what you like at college is great, hell college in general is fantastic. Although in these threads and from people I talk to American universities do sound like shit places to study.

>> No.4635041

>>4635023
I definitely agree about classes which are just memorization. They need to require critical thinking and deeper understanding.

>>4635018
Classes which require critical thinking are much harder then memorization. I am excellent at memorization but much prefer critical thinking classes because they are an actual challenge.

>> No.4635042

>>4635035
>learning IS maninly memorisatioN
You know how I know you never study maths ?

>> No.4635047

>>4635041
I don't know about hurr durr not a hard science trolls on /sci/ but I was definitely forced to think and apply what I learned in my biology classes.

>> No.4635054 [DELETED] 

>>4635041
what the fuck are you babbling about? memorisaton is pointless if you dont understand what you're remembering, and this is critical thinking as well.
memorising means adding information to your brain, which means learning, which is the point of education! its the same in all classes.

>>4635042
i was actually quite good at math back in school, i just didnt want to fucking study it for 3 years, would have driven me insane with boredom.
and yeh, i get that math isnt so much about memorisation, but then again, some of it is. the same basic questions popped up again and again at GCSE and A-level and i learned the basic patterns and remembered them. when a question came up, it was usually exactly the same format as one i'd done before. i just input the numbers in the question into my formulas and things, in the right position, and the rest is just simple kiddy monkey calculator work, finding the answer, rounding it appropriately, writing it down.

math was easy as fuck, and i mainly got by on that with memorisation as well.

>> No.4635064

>>4635047
I am a Neuroscience major. I do think you need to be able to apply in Biology and it can definitely be hard.

My criticism for the EK, is that they are just talking about memorization which is not hard.

>> No.4635068

>>4635054
You can remember something but not know how to use it in critical thinking. You can remember words and meaning but unless you understand the meaning behind it and how it connects to different things, you lack true understanding of the information.

>> No.4635069 [DELETED] 

>>4635064
> My criticism for the EK, is that they are just talking about memorization which is not hard.
meh
depends if your good at it or not
some people have shit memorys and find studying really difficult, and have to re-revise things multiple times.
anything is 'not hard' if you're good at it

>> No.4635070 [DELETED] 

>>4635068
well yeh, memory is fairly useless if you dont understand what it is that you're remembering.
fortunately i do.

>> No.4635073

only americans have to pay shitloads of money for normal-tier universities.
In Europe it's 500$ per semester, and 90% of decent unis are public.

>> No.4635075

>>4635054
Again, you never studied maths. At all.

The thing you described is how to use a calculator. Nobody needs someone who can just use a calculator and solve problems he's been taught how to solve.

Try proving something like Brouwer's fixed-point theorem yourself, or just solving the random problems posted on /sci/, and you'll get an idea of what I'm telling you.

>> No.4635077

>>4635073
>In Europe it's 500$ per semester, and 90% of decent unis are public.
UK-fag here
holy shit, thats a lot cheaper than it is here
(fucking fees trippled last year)

>> No.4635082

>>4635075
>you never studied maths. At all.
yeh i did, i took it at A-level and GCSE.
(also before that, but it was mandatory back then....actually i think at least basic math was mandatory even for GCSE)

and like i said, once you remember the similar style of question, just plug in the numbers in teh question and you'll get it right
memorising methods works wonders for math.

>> No.4635096

>>4635082
Do I need to be captain obvious and tell you that is piss easy ? Only retarded and lazy people get bad grades at maths in high school.

Try doing the things I told you to.

Once you begin to solve things that you have never seen before and have to devise ingenious ways to tackle them, that's when you begin to understand what I'm talking about. You doing things you already know is because your course sucks. Not because math is easy.

>> No.4635099

>>4635096
>Try doing the things I told you to.

why?
i dont need to do math anymore
when i did do it, i was good, but i dont exactly take much pleasure in it, and im not gonna do it as a job, so why bother?

>> No.4635106

>>4635099

It just means that you never used your brain. And now with your choice of major it's certain that you never will.
>when i did do it
Yeah, I imagine you were pretty good at solving things like x + 1 = 2

>> No.4635107

>>4635106
>Biologists never use their brain

If you are going to troll don't do it in such an overdone and pathetic way.

>> No.4635113

>>4635107
Then are you going to say politicians and business managers use their brains too ? They do, of course. Depending on what definition of 'brain' you use.

>> No.4635118 [DELETED] 

''Do I need to be captain obvious and tell you that is piss easy ? Only retarded and lazy people get bad grades at maths in high school''.

A disruptive learning environment can easily effect this.
My nephew is currently suffering due to this. He has to study in his own time, he's told me he does not learn in the classroom.
Some people are different, my niece studies out of school and sits on excellent grades.

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>>4635106
>everyone except math majors dont use their brains

uhuh.
troll harder, nigger

>> No.4635121

>>4635113
Are you actually trying to imply there is not some level of intelligence required to run a successful business? Whatever that level is a lot of people do not have it given all the failed businesses and people who get fired for incompetence.

That is besides the point though, to imply biologists do not have to use their intelligence to do their jobs is idiotic as is inventing this absurd distinction between biology and other hard sciences that trolls on here seem so fond of doing.

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>>4635118
dont they usually keep all the noisy fucktards in a seperate class so they dont fuck it up for the people who actually want to learn?

>> No.4635129

>>4635121

Did you miss the part where I said "they do" ?

Even when you go the toilet you need to use your brain. Some kind of intelligence is required.

And you know full well what I'm actually alluding to.

>>4635119
See why I said you never used your brain ? My post doesn't imply that.

From what you have said, I know for sure you have never used your brain and are never going to. Don't even try to generalize that statement to other people because this is a specific case. You yourself aren't ever going to use your brain.

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>>4635129
>It just means that you never used your brain.
to: "i dont need to do math anymore (post A-level)
it does imply that

>> No.4635132

>>4635130
And what part of "piss easy" did you not understand ?

>> No.4635131

Didn't EK leave, and someone else has cracked her trip?

Either way, take your meds.

>> No.4635135

>>4635129
Did you miss the part where you tried to imply mathematicians are somehow superior in their brain use? And the part where you outright stated biologists do not need to use their brain.

>> No.4635139

>>4635135
>outright stated
Try finding exactly where I said that. And I'll tell you how you fail at reading comprehension.

>> No.4635141

>>4635139
>It just means that you never used your brain. And now with your choice of major it's certain that you never will.

Her major is zoology, a subset of biology. You outright stated that means she will never use her brain.

>> No.4635143

>>4635141
Her choice of major isn't the one factor that decided that. Read again. This whole conversation led to that statement.

>> No.4635145

>>4635143
The conversation does not mater, if you do not want people to think you are saying biologists do not use their brains do not make a post telling a biologist she will never have to use her brain.

>> No.4635149

>>4635145
The whole conversation matters.
Even if she were to major in CS, math or whatever, I'd tell her the exact same thing. Seeing how she describes her study and problem solving process is enough for me.

>> No.4635221

>I'm burnt out, tired, and bored. I lost all my passion I had for life going in to college. It's nothing like they say.

If you truly hate it then stop doing it, or at least consider studying something else. Keep in mind that your major will most likely get tougher and tougher in the coming years, and that you're only really doing babby's first steps into your respective field. It does get a lot more rewarding, once you start doing more intellectually challenging things, imo, and you may end up loving it again.
Having the possibility of going to college is a privilege (though indeed, in the US you have to work your arse off to pay it off), since the vast majority of the population never even gets the opportunity to get a degree. Would be a shame to waste that potential.

>>4634800
>I barely have time to take a shit most days.

I know that feel. My only free time to browse /sci/ is when I'm taking a shit. Which would be right now.

>>4635075
>Brouwer's fixed-point theorem
I used to find the proof for that theorem awful to understand, but it's actually not too bad. Maths gets more interesting once things like Axiom of Choice pop up, and you run into things like Banach-Tarski theorem.

>> No.4635259

>>4635075
The proof of Brouwer's fixed point theorem is a few lines long, you just have to have some idea of what homololgy means and then it's pretty clear