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Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:02:16 2012 No.4632033 [Reply] [Original]

Just a heads up for everyone new here: don't buy Spivak for an undergraduate course. It's too much for you, as it was for me. Try something simpler and stop listening to /sci/
Good luck and good bye.
I'm out!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:07:48 2012 No.4632043 I agree, Rudin's "Principles of mathematical analysis" is a much better first introduction to the concepts of calculus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:10:10 2012 No.4632048 bartle and sherbert is superior

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:15:50 2012 No.4632057 >>4632043 this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:26:10 2012 No.4632074 Boas' Mathematical Methods for the Physical Sciences is my favourite for the non-rigorous maths needed for undergraduate physics. It has a rather colloquial style though, if you don't enjoy the first section then there's no point in the rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:34:59 2012 No.4632086 Isn't Spivak a good book? /sci/ told me to get it on another thread...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 13:52:06 2012 No.4632111 bumping >>4632086

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:07:59 2012 No.4632140 >>4632086 >>4632111 It's too hard for you. You're no genius

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:12:31 2012 No.4632149 CC fag here, I use Thomas' Early Transcendentals, it's better than the book I was using before which was the James Stewart Early Transcendentals

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:19:18 2012 No.4632158 Wait. Was buying Spivak an elaborate troll?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 14:34:10 2012 No.4632187 >>4632158 Looks like

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:24:55 2012 No.4632300 File: 23 KB, 577x181, spivfuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Picture related. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:25:02 2012 No.4632304 >>4632300 Enjoy not understanding shit. I hate you /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:26:10 2012 No.4632306 >Amazon >Ideal for honours students and mathematics majors seeking an alternative to doorstop textbooks and more formidable introductions to real analysis. What does this sentence mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:27:18 2012 No.4632310 >>4632306 It's harder than an usual calculus book used in most mathematics undergraduations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:32:50 2012 No.4632323 What the hell? Spivak isn't that hard. The solutions to the problems make sense and they give you all the necessary tools that you need. They just don't show you how to do them beforehand so it doesn't become some plug and chug thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:36:22 2012 No.4632340 all math text books are shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 15:38:30 2012 No.4632342 >>4632340 Explain

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:18:18 2012 No.4632473 >>4632340 why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 16:41:59 2012 No.4632573 It's actually a good book, even though it's hard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:11:35 2012 No.4632701 It's actually a good book, even though it's hard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:47:42 2012 No.4632825 I'm an engineer, will this book help me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:48:40 2012 No.4632829 >>4632825 It's /sci/'s SICP

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:51:40 2012 No.4632847 File: 107 KB, 300x464, k865.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4632829 No, it is not. This is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:53:40 2012 No.4632860 >>4632847 When I say SICP, I mean a book everyone says to be extremely good and will enlighten you, but actually almost nobody have read and those who have didn't find too good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:56:51 2012 No.4632875 >>4632860 > those who have didn't find too good. SICP is a masterpiece. Screw you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 17:57:07 2012 No.4632877 >>4632875 I didn't find anything out of the common. Simple book on an academic programming language.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:02:39 2012 No.4632901 >>4632847 Is this any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:15:08 2012 No.4632969 SICP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:17:23 2012 No.4632977 >>4632969 Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. /prog/, /g/ and /jp/ troll book. But they are so convincing (many even believe on it) that some people end up buying it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:19:32 2012 No.4632985 >>4632969 Songs of Insane Clown Posse It contains masterpieces about fucking magnets, and others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:19:39 2012 No.4632988 >>4632977 I read it. The whole thing. I don't even program in LISP. It is a very decent and well-written text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:21:47 2012 No.4632993 >>4632988 How does that even work? I've read it all and still can't program?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:22:56 2012 No.4632996 >>4632977 Oh shit it's that guy. I saw that guy long before /prog/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:23:04 2012 No.4632997 >>4632993 >babby doesn't know what CS concepts are

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:23:04 2012 No.4632999 >>4632997 Enlighten me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:24:11 2012 No.4633006 File: 26 KB, 266x400, Principles-of-Quantum-Mechanics-9780306447907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4632847 try again, friendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:24:11 2012 No.4633007 >>4632993 It's magic from a wizard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:26:28 2012 No.4633011 File: 48 KB, 325x500, 0099440687.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633006 Fixed that for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:26:28 2012 No.4633013 >>4632999 The book is not designed to teach you a language. It's structure and interpretation, as the title implies. Data structures, abstraction, variables, etc. It's preparation for CS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:27:35 2012 No.4633016 >>4633006 Shankar is horrible. You are a terrible person for doing anything else but Sakurai. >>4633011 >popsci garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:30:59 2012 No.4633022 File: 17 KB, 250x250, 1300044776986.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633016 >not learning quantum mechanics from Landau & Lifshitz

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:31:59 2012 No.4633025 File: 18 KB, 689x515, f1big.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633016 Penrose did make some significant contributions to physics, you know...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:32:16 2012 No.4633030 File: 17 KB, 400x400, bitches.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Were you guys saying something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:36:40 2012 No.4633043 File: 237 KB, 2104x2584, weinberg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633022 so now this is /sci/'s 'physics sicp'? okay, fine. i win. /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:39:55 2012 No.4633055 File: 79 KB, 463x462, my-body-is-ready.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633043

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:44:36 2012 No.4633070 File: 53 KB, 513x378, 1332707999096.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633043 Oh god I can't wait until I am able to comprehend QFT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:48:59 2012 No.4633085 File: 280 KB, 2087x2984, Srednicki_front_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633070 a more suitable intro text; i used this in undergrad. also probably one of the most well-written physics texts i've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:49:08 2012 No.4633089 Are you saying an undergraduate in engineering will not be able to use Spivak? But I already ordered mine!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:49:15 2012 No.4633091 File: 19 KB, 297x400, Organic-Chemistry-Klein-David-R-9780471756149[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Klein was here. Y'all can suck my penis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:57:04 2012 No.4633107 File: 68 KB, 318x414, 2145638.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4633089

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:57:04 2012 No.4633108 >>4633085 Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:58:11 2012 No.4633109 File: 7 KB, 130x125, 1263085981793.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my face when trying to read Spivak

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 18:58:11 2012 No.4633112 >>4633107 So... am I fucked? >>4633109 What's so hard about it? ALL of /sci/ recommended it to me last month

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:05:59 2012 No.4633131 >>4633112 Not if you work hard. Struggling helps learning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:05:59 2012 No.4633133 >>4633112 You can send it back you know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:07:16 2012 No.4633139 >>4633133 I have no time, I must begin studying next week. Besides, I imported it from the US, I live in Georgia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 19:08:23 2012 No.4633146 >>4633091 McMurry here, I wish I could be using Klein. Oh well, it was decent enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 30 20:39:03 2012 No.4633443 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 00:21:12 2012 No.4634141 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 01:45:03 2012 No.4634386 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 01:48:28 2012 No.4634393 >Spivak >hard pick one

Anonymous Tue May 1 01:56:24 2012 No.4634412

>>4633043
Now those are seriously good books (at least 1,2, haven't read the third one). Maybe not ideal for learning though, Peskin and Schroeder is better for a first course, Srednicki is good as well.

>>4633016
>popsci garbage
I take it you haven't tried reading it. That book isn't really popsci, it contains more math concepts than an undergrad math degree.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:28:07 2012 No.4634484 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:39:28 2012 No.4634509 apostol > spivak

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:50:39 2012 No.4634527 if you have trouble with spivak, just read a small set theory primer and maybe how to prove it by velleman first and then sell your copy of spivak and buy apostol as suggested here >>4634509 >>4634509

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:55:19 2012 No.4634544 >>4633146 >>4633091 Wade here, you both suck.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 02:58:43 2012 No.4634549 >buying any study book why? once you understand the material, it's useless to have

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 03:05:23 2012 No.4634559 >>4633006 what? Ravi Shankar is a suitar legend, is this a joke?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 10:59:16 2012 No.4635437 File: 79 KB, 647x354, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't even solve some questions on the functions chapter... I was supposed to know this already... ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:00:23 2012 No.4635439 >>4635437 On the last question, how can g = h if g is a number and h is a function? Or am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:03:39 2012 No.4635447 >>4635439 I don't know man, I've read the chapter twice but still can't see how to answer these...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:04:48 2012 No.4635454 >>4635439 g is a function

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:05:55 2012 No.4635459 >>4635454 Isn't f º g = f(g) Or is it rather f(g(x))

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:06:04 2012 No.4635463 >>4635459 its a function composition, so think of it as f(g(x))

>>	Anonymous Tue May 1 11:07:11 2012 No.4635470 >>4635463 Silly me. You're right! The º means composition of functions. Meh, I did these things ages ago. Good luck OP

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