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Anyone else majoring in pure mathematics?

When I hear my old HS friends talk about how difficult their engineering or finance homework is I laugh so hard right in their face.

>feels good man

>> No.4591229

I'm majoring in applied financial math

UMAD that I'm learning pretty much the same stuff but can actually use it in the real world? UMAD that I'm gonna make way more money than you?

>inb4 HURR DURR I don't care about money

yeah, umad

>> No.4591232

Math is just applied philosophy.

>> No.4591235

>>4591218

Pure math is applies psychology because everyone who studies it has aspergers.

>> No.4591243

Anyone able to help me?
Solve Cot-(x)•Cos(-x) + Sin(-x) = -Csc(x)

>> No.4591248

>>4591218
Anyone else majoring in philosophy?

When I hear my old HS friends talk about how difficult their math homework is I laugh so hard right in their face.

>feels good man

>> No.4591252

One of my majors is Mathematics. I’m just an undergrad at a school that does not specialize specifically in the sciences.

My mid is still full of fuck. But good fuck. Like sex on a cool spring night on a grassy, flowered knoll under the stars.

>> No.4591254

>>4591218
Are you laughing because you are glad you don't have to take those hard classes like they do?

>> No.4591385

Relations between pure and applied mathematicians are based on trust and understanding. Namely, pure mathematicians do not trust applied mathematicians, and applied mathematicians do not understand pure mathematicians.

>> No.4591733

Chemistry rules them all

sorry to disappoint you faggots

>> No.4591740

>>4591254
Probably. Pure math undergrad is easy.

>> No.4591745
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>>4591733
>chemistry ruling chemistry

>> No.4592483

Sociology major here
Enjoy not understanding how the world works you autistic virgin

>> No.4592485

>>4592483
It's as though you're not even trying.

>> No.4592489

>>4592485
Are you denying the fact that you're a virgin?

>> No.4592503

>>4591235
HA
>>4591218
Math = applied genetics amirite

>> No.4592515

>>4591218
OP, I'm a pure math major. I want you to know that you're a fucking snob.
Pure math is really not harder than other fields. It's so far afield that its difficulty really can't be compared anymore.

>> No.4592527

Your pure math won't help you when peak oil leads to the downfall of society, OP.

>> No.4592532

maths is just applied philosophy

>> No.4592553

>>4591218
I just dropped psychology and going to study physics. I hope natural sciences/mathematics students aren't this much retarded.

>> No.4592583

>>4591218
Math isn't that hard. Also you can't solve any real world problems, leaving the hard tasks for engineers. And everyone else.

>> No.4592602

>>4591218
>When I hear my old HS friends talk about how difficult their engineering or finance homework is I laugh so hard right in their face.

You are a bitter person and nothing but sorrow awaits in your future.
You'll "laugh at their face", at their happiness, at their simplicity, at their children, family and friends, at their BBQ with their neighbours, their wedding, their trip around the world, their jokes, their culture and their customs.

You will then run out of time, and die alone.

>> No.4592666

Well, I'm in EE, but I'm really bored and unsatisfied and want to change to math.

>> No.4592722
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Chemistry is not only a fantastic Experimental Science, it is a Mathematical Science, AND it can be an Art--just ask any synthetic organic chemist.

Chemistry FTW!!!

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4592765

Deal with it lads
Phylosophy the master of all knowledge

>> No.4592772

>>4592765
Come back when you've produced some knowledge or understanding besides the Cogito.

>> No.4592778

>>4592772
Philosophy regulates what is the knowledge, what can be known. Everything is philosophy, boy. Everything you know, what you believe, what you are.

>> No.4592787

>>4592778
>Philosophy regulates what is the knowledge, what can be known.
LOL, you really think that what philosphers say or do CHANGES what can be known? Get over yourself.

For all your wanking over what "counts" as knowledge, you sure haven't provided any tools for getting it.

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It's just a giant circle jerk you fags.

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how much aleph is aleph 1 divided by aleph 2
thanks

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>>4592792
nobody? thats a real question, i want to know

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>>4592787
no tools? how about science?

>> No.4592825

>>4592811
why fuckers are bothering the black ant? cuz he is a nigga?

>> No.4592828

>>4592483
So... How's working at mcdonalds?

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>> No.4592832

>>4592792
Not defined.

>> No.4592836

>>4592828
I believe that would be considered 'field work'

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>>4592825
ants are pretty much blind

>> No.4592844

>>4592836
I regard this post as humorous

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>>4592832
damn, there goes my idea of comparing infinite models

>> No.4593341

Oi hay, biology here, without me most of you would be dead, suck a dick

>> No.4593397

>>4593341
o hai, phd in ditch digging here, without me most of you would be drowning in your own sewage

> implyign that is not already what we are doing on 4chan

>> No.4593400

>>4593397
If you do not like it here, then leave.

>> No.4593437

I always asked myself if the ones who continuously say math/science/anything is just applied philosophy are just troll or really believe that.
Philosophy is about playing with semantics and prove whatever you want.
I am quite familiar with some mathematicians (I'm doing a master in math), and I know absolutely none of them is sensible to philosophy. I'm almost certain this the same for the scientists. Philosophy is considered at the same level as painting or music, and you can't expect to be considered seriously as long as you don't have a formal framework. If your work is subject to subjectivity , then it's just horse shit, you have to deal with it.

>> No.4593441

Mathematics doesn't even get hard until fourth year.

>> No.4593459

>>4593437
are you not familiar with Gödel's completeness theorem

>> No.4593469

>>4593459
>implying this means that math is a matter of opinion
LOL

You can pick your axioms, but you can't pick what those axioms imply. And you can't pick which axioms produce implications that match the kinds of things we see IRL.

>> No.4593473

>>4593459
Gödel was good and well when it stayed in mathematics. Somewhere the philosophers jumped on it, and it's lost a lot of its appeal.

>> No.4593487

why can't there be any fucking discussion on 4chan that doesn't degrade into "mine's better than yours, and i'm righter than you. you're also wrong. i'm better"?

I don't want to generalize, but fuck, i'm in a shitty mood...

captcha : difagreement rigurma
>difagreement

captcha failed

new captcha :difdainful, esupiece
>difdainful

where did the s's go?

>> No.4593489

>>4593487
That's what the thread started with. Just look at the OP's pic. You should have expected this.

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>>4593487
Look at you, how level headed and intelligent you are, only people such as yourself could sustain a conversation without resorting to childish retorts, if only... if only everyone in the world was like you.. imagine.

>> No.4593511

>>4593489

i guess one could argue that it IS the path of least resistance, currently...

>>4593497

ohmigosh how polite, thank you :3

>> No.4593518

>>4593511
> :3
All respect has been lost. Please kill yourself.

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>>4591218
LOL at people mentioning the difficulty of a major without naming the institution in which they study.

Sorry, a math major at Cal State Chico is not the same as a math major at MIT.

>> No.4593533

>>4592722
You're an embarrassment. Stop that.

>> No.4593536

>>4593527
The funny thing is that that isn't necessarily as true as you think it is.

>> No.4593538
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>>4593511
>ohmigosh how polite
wooosh.flac

>mistakes mocking for compliments
go get your meds

>> No.4593541

>>4593536
The funny thing is, you go to a shit school.

>> No.4593543

>>4593538
The autism is strong within this one.

>> No.4593545

>actually thinking that IMO medalists wouldn't be able to do engineering/phys/chemistry/comsci/physics with ease

>> No.4593558

>>4593545
I bet /sci/ has some IMO medalists here
>autist as fuck

>> No.4593562

>>4593536
Should I interpret your use of "necessarily" as acknowledgement that the distribution of talent would have a higher mean amongst a maths class at MIT thanthe same maths class at some low-ranked college?

>> No.4593564

>implying you had friends in high school

>> No.4593566

>>4593558
>SOMEONE IS SMART OMG MUST BE AUTISTIC BECAUSE LOL I DONT WANNA BE WORSE THAN SOMEONE ELSE SO I MUST HAVE ALL THE STREET SMARTZ LUL

>> No.4593574

>>4593527
it may be true, but you really made a bad choice with math in your example, this is one of the only subject that can be perfectly well studied in MIT or in mozambique.

>> No.4593584

>>4593545
>Smart people could probably do another subject with years of learning.

Yes, this is true of any field.

>> No.4593597

>>4593566
from now on, i'm going to post responses like this whenever someone talks about 'steets smarts vs. autists'

>> No.4593612

>>4593574
The point he was making isn't about teaching, it's about talent.

Some shit univeristy somewhere will have a small proportion of talented, strong people, much like the general population. Prestigious universities that are difficult to get into will have a much greater concentration of talent.

>>4593584
Not in the same way it is with maths. If you have talent at maths then the other considerations that physical science-based subjects have are basically remedial.

On the other hand if you tried to get a bunch of chemistry students to do a maths course somewhere difficult, far fewer of them would be able to do well.

People with talent at maths are basically super humans.

>> No.4593616

>>4593562
More an acknowledgement of the vagaries of the education process. Places like MIT destroy as many promising minds as they help form. Being damn good at something carries absolutely no implication that you're worth a damn at teaching it (assuming that the professors can even be bothered to teach). As a matter of fact, often the truly amazing talents in any given field are the absolute worst teachers because they cannot relate to someone who has to put more effort into it to understand it. And no, this also does not necessarily mean that they're any better at relating to someone that the subject comes to more naturally. Incidentally, I'm not saying that the profs at the top institutes are necessarily bad at teaching, just that they're not necessarily good either.

When you add into this how personalities play a huge role in the learning process, Southwest Bumfuck State University could easily become a far more enriching learning environment than Cal Tech, Stanford, MIT, or whereever.

This is not as true for fields other than mathematics that require massive amounts of equipment (imagine trying to learn chemistry without a fully equipped lab), but math? Shit, you need a notebook and a pencil.

>> No.4593645

No offence to those who do Maths but your IQ will generally be higher than those who are not due to the fact you are basically making a living doing said tests (stop stroking your own ego)

>> No.4593650

>>4593616
>reply to post about talent
>yatter on about teaching quality

>> No.4593669

>>4593487

An odd looking f is most likely an olde English s.

>> No.4593672

>biological systems are the most complicated systems in the universe

>> No.4593683

Majoring in both mathematics and physics.

I find the latter to be the more difficult subject. I think it's because in pure math courses, you know precisely what you can and cannot do when trying to solve a problem/prove something, which is not the case with, say, thermodynamics.

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>> No.4593709

>>4592602
you worded that beautifully

thank you

>> No.4593721

>>4593650
He asked why I used the word "necessarily".

Additionally, "talent" is most certainly not limited to mathematics. Being around people who are good at something doesn't necessarily help you be good at it because if they can't communicate what it is they do, then you're left on your own to figure it out.

Additionally, emphasis in talent on the ability to impart knowledge should be one of the prime factors of a student picking an institution to learn in. Who gives a damn if institution A has a professor that is in the middle of publishing a paper proving a connection between the topological analysis of Persian chainmaille weave styles and the rhythm structure of modern Turkish pop music that possibly four other people on the planet have a hope of following if he can't help you figure out linear algebra or understand the intricacies of the partial derivative?

>> No.4593735

>>4592602
IMAX quality projecting.

>> No.4593740

>>4593735
>IMAX quality projecting

I lol'd.

1 golden ticket for you, good sir.

>> No.4593744

>>4593721
What you aren't getting is that the person you originally replied to implied that MIT maths students are better than maths students at cal state chico.

This is true on average because MIT attracts more talented students to it.

>> No.4593751

I understand numbers are infinite but mathematical problems always have a solution. You just have to find it. Physics on the other hand is more complicated, because it deals with physical laws where the universe came from etc. ex nihilo latin for out of nothing cannot be explained by the tools that modern science incorporates therefore leaving you in the dark without anyway to find the solution to the problem.

>> No.4593760

>>4593751
>mathematical problems always have a solution
You should be able to solve this
x - 7 = 19 + x

>> No.4593770

>>4593616
But most people who are good at math have to teach a lot of it to themselves anyway. Its not really something you can be taught, you just have to study it deeply until you actually understand it.

>> No.4593801

>>4593672
>aproximate model of biological systems are the simplest systems in the universe.

>> No.4593805

i'm guessing anyone 'majoring' in something is still in undergrad and taking their math courses alongside english 101 and philosophy 101 and like 40 electives

>> No.4593813

>>4593751
Nope godel proved there are some proposition that can't be proved true or false nor can be their contraposition

>> No.4593853

>>4593683

This is true. I'm an engineer who takes courses in pure mathematics whenever possible.

In engineering, mostly a problem is solved using techniques not in-and-out understood by the engineer.

When in maths classes though, there is time to go through all the details and present the material in an intuitive yet rigorous fashion.

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CHEMISTRY FOR THE WIN!!!!

>> No.4593953

>>4593813
You are incorrect. Within a given system (that satisfies some minor requirements) there will always be questions which cannot be answered by the system itself. But which maybe answerable in a different system which can be used to model the first system.

>> No.4594135

>>4593801
>approximate model
Lol, thats like me saying you're 3years old approximately, what good does that do?
The LHC is simpler than a fruit fly