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Live out the rest of your life on Mars, or Undersea? Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:48:09 2012 No.4556304 [Reply] [Original]

Before you answer, here's the stipulation: This isn't about which is more vital to the future of mankind, I think that would be Mars hands down, at least in the long run.

Instead, it's about which place you personally would rather live out the rest of your life, from an enjoyment perspective. Red frontier or Blue frontier. Canyons or corals. Assume colonies of equal size with perhaps 100 families living in each and that you must commit to being a permanent resident of one or the other for the rest of your life. If you choose Mars you get to take part in terraforming but not live to see it completed. If ocean you can visit land periodically as well as other colonies. In both cases you can do EVAs as frequently as you like and have access to the various vehicles appropriate for each setting. Consider also the diet available on Mars versus Undersea.

Of course you'd make the sacrifice for your species to go and settle Mars for the sake of our future, but in this case, make the selfish choice. Which place would you be happiest, in the long run? Which would "get old" quicker? What would the quality of life be like in one versus the other?

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:50:26 2012 No.4556306 File: 96 KB, 720x480, marscolony.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dumping Mars/Ocean colony pics

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:50:34 2012 No.4556309 File: 79 KB, 532x299, cityunderthesea.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:51:34 2012 No.4556312 File: 18 KB, 399x296, mars2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:52:42 2012 No.4556315 File: 290 KB, 993x1600, undersea.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:52:42 2012 No.4556316 File: 151 KB, 1103x886, marshabitat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:54:58 2012 No.4556319 File: 62 KB, 720x416, cityunderthesea2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 01:55:58 2012 No.4556322 >>4556304 >which is more vital >no agreement Lrn2stipulation, faggot

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:55:58 2012 No.4556323 File: 26 KB, 300x225, marscity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:56:13 2012 No.4556328 File: 558 KB, 1280x610, underseafuture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:56:13 2012 No.4556329 File: 62 KB, 468x370, mars semi direct.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 01:57:22 2012 No.4556331 File: 261 KB, 1100x450, underseaindustry.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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Anonymous Mon Apr 9 01:58:22 2012 No.4556334

Mars by far actually, I've thought about it for years, but living under the ocean is something I never considered until this thread and it still doesn't interest me. But to not only live on a planet other than my species has evolved on, but be among the first to do so... That's so exciting I can't pass it up. I'd go no matter how bad the living conditions were, or how hard the work demands. To be able to look up at the stars at night and stare at the blue dot I was born on is something that fills me with wonder to imagine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 01:59:30 2012 No.4556335 Mars. The amazement that I'm on another world and having no ecological ramifications for mining/farming etc. wins me over.

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Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:00:37 2012 No.4556338

issues with going to mars

physical effects of exposure to high-energy cosmic rays and other ionizing radiation.
physical effects of a prolonged low-gravity environment, including eyesight loss.
physical effects of a prolonged low-light environment.
psychological effects of isolation from Earth.
psychological effects of lack of community due to lack of real-time connections with Earth.
social effects of several humans living under crowded conditions for over one Earth year.
inaccessibility of terrestrial medical facilities.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:02:53 2012 No.4556343
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>>4556334
>But to not only live on a planet other than my species has evolved on, but be among the first to do so... That's so exciting I can't pass it up.

>>4556335

Mars. The amazement that I'm on another world and having no ecological ramifications for mining/farming etc. wins me over.

I'm sure it would be amazing for a while, but for how long would it remain that way? Do you find the desert beautiful and desirable to live in full time on Earth?

Pic related, what you're signing on for. 50+ years of this.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:03:02 2012 No.4556352
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I know it's hard to leave it out but the idea was to set aside the romanticism and wow factor of being on a different planet and look objectively at how comfortable and beautiful either location is as a place to potentially live for the rest of your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:04:09 2012 No.4556353 My shit would get all wet if it was underwater.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:05:09 2012 No.4556355 >>4556352 The quality of the undersea operation would be better if only because of gravity Weird shit happens to us in different gravities

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:08:33 2012 No.4556363 >>4556353 My shit would get all dusty on Mars.

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Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:09:41 2012 No.4556366

>>4556343
I understand that I'm probably going to hate it. I'm just simply so captured by the romanticism of it that I'd be unable to resist the opportunity.

The reality here though is that I don't really have the qualifications of someone they'd need on a Mars colony. So it will probably not happen for me. Plus by the time they do it I'll be old or dead.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:10:49 2012 No.4556372
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>>4556366

Fair enough, and honestly anyone willing to do it already has the most important qualification, although psych tests should be done to see how serious they are about it. I just got done living in a Mars sim for two weeks and it's no pleasure cruise.

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:11:57 2012 No.4556374 File: 95 KB, 470x353, poseidonroom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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Spacer !!cX+kk1U+qKv Mon Apr 9 02:12:57 2012 No.4556375
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Neither, living in a gravity well is no fun. When you live in space, you can easily delta-V yourself into orbit around a planet and 'beam down' to it. And by 'beam down,' I mean teleoperate robots in said gravity well in real time. SPACER ALL THE WAY!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:13:13 2012 No.4556380 Undersea. Cause of differing gravity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:13:13 2012 No.4556381 >>4556304 Lifetime of zen meditation on motherfucking mars?! Fuck yea.

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:14:13 2012 No.4556384 File: 61 KB, 720x566, marshabitat2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:15:21 2012 No.4556389 File: 31 KB, 400x300, h2ome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:16:30 2012 No.4556395 File: 45 KB, 450x360, marsbase.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:17:37 2012 No.4556400 I want to say Mars because I have this creeping feeling that I'd live under constant fear of being crushed by the ocean.

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:17:37 2012 No.4556399 File: 57 KB, 550x366, underseabedroom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:18:46 2012 No.4556404 File: 54 KB, 516x387, marsbase2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:18:46 2012 No.4556405

>>4556372
Well I'm not sure how psychologically fit I am for service there, but I am serious. Except for the higher work demand and the discomfort I don't think life there would be much different than life here. If anything it should be more interesting.

My main problem though is that I'm very awkward and asocial. Not violent or uncooperative in any way, just very solitary and not easy to converse with or like.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Mon Apr 9 02:21:02 2012 No.4556412
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>>4556400

If you live in the shallow ocean you can keep the base at ambient pressure, so there's no differential between the air pressure inside and the water pressure outside. Your ears pop when you dive down to it or surface, and you will need to decompress for one day when you want to go up, but other than that it works great. There's also a constant, mild intoxicating "martini effect" said to be very pleasant at those pressures, such that you're very slightly euphoric all the time and heal three times as fast/sleep more deeply due to triple the atmospheric oxygen.

Of course in theory a Mars base could get the same effect by increasing internal pressure and tweaking the gas mixture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:23:17 2012 No.4556415 >>4556412 I get that effect every time I go to sea level, but then I live at 11,000 feet up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:24:25 2012 No.4556417 And thus the great mars-ocean wars began

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:30:13 2012 No.4556423 Ocean. I can go outside in a swimsuit and flippers with a scuba tank. On Mars I can only go outside in a full space suit and never feel the soil between my toes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:41:26 2012 No.4556448 File: 78 KB, 588x813, newtsuit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4556423 Lol nice try, if we have to wear suits so do you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 02:43:41 2012 No.4556452 >>4556448 That only depends on how deep you are and if you want to come up (decompression). If you don't care about waiting ages to decompress before you come up you don't need a suit like that, as long as you stay at depth your body is fine.