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Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:42:21 2012 No.4494002 [Reply] [Original]

i know /b/ isn't the place for this, but fuck it. ignore it if you want.

i speak 3 foreign languages fluently and I'm learning 2 additional. i'm interested in linguistics and literature. i'd like to study extinct languages (latin, old english, ancient greek). also i like philosophy and sociology. i'm overall an excellent student at the moment. which field of study is for me /b/? what should i study at the university?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:44:36 2012 No.4494012 sorry for /b/ thing, they redirected me to here so i just copypasta'd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:44:36 2012 No.4494013 >>>/lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:44:36 2012 No.4494014 >>4494002 I think you're lost. Follow me. >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:50:15 2012 No.4494043 I minor in Classical Studies. We study latin and greek language, culture and religion. also study some other barbarians in same time period. Its required we study 2 semesters of dead language - latin and/or greek.

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 16:52:32 2012 No.4494053 I only speak too languages american and english but I hate english ;\| _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:57:04 2012 No.4494075 File: 20 KB, 582x358, 13693458.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4494053 stop tagging that spam onto every single fucking post you're pissing me off

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:59:19 2012 No.4494085 >>4494075 stop using that slut as an avatar

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 16:59:19 2012 No.4494087 >>4494075 what spam? do you mean my signature? you probably never heard of anonymous. its an hacker group from a very secret board ^^ _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:05:24 2012 No.4494119 >>4494085 she isnt a slut! asshole! >>4494087 >'le oldfag' >5 line spam signature at the end of every post just fucking die...

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:10:40 2012 No.4494142 >>4494119 u just jelly of me being cool secret internet guy ;p _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:11:40 2012 No.4494145 >>4494119 Well she isn't as much of a slut as you, I'll give you that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:12:48 2012 No.4494151 File: 242 KB, 474x357, 0129843084.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4494145 which is 'not at all' oh good, we'll both take that compliment, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:12:56 2012 No.4494154 >>4494151 She's a slut, face it. As bad as >>4494142 So fuck off.

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:13:56 2012 No.4494156 >>4494151 is dat u in da pic? can u poast tits? pls ^^ _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:13:56 2012 No.4494157 >>4494151 No I'm afraid you misunderstood. You are a tremendous slut. Multiple fuck buddies, don't know how many people you've fucked, etc/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:14:03 2012 No.4494160 File: 213 KB, 393x349, 126550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4494156 no its ot me >poast ...sagan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:14:03 2012 No.4494161 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 >>4494087 It's A hacker group, A HACKER GROUP, not an hacker like you say it...sheeesh

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:14:03 2012 No.4494163 >>4494154 hay I are not bad but I can be bad becuz I'm l33t uber h4xxor >: _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:15:11 2012 No.4494166 >>4494161 watcha sayin? we r haxx0rs but pls dont tell any1 ;) _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:16:20 2012 No.4494169

>>4494157
> Multiple fuck buddies
that doesnt make you a slut if you regularly see them and they are long term friends!
oh fuck you, im not having this conversation

>don't know how many people you've fucked, etc
[sarcasm] well sorry for not fucking counting! [/sarcasm]
its not like it even matters, but its not a huge number, probably about average

fuck you anyway, judgemental cunt

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:16:20 2012 No.4494170 >>4494160 lol wats sagan? :\ _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:18:36 2012 No.4494179 >>4494170 hes a tripfag he posts 'SCIENCE!' a lot, and spells it 'poasts'

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:19:36 2012 No.4494182 >>4494012 Oh my. You should've said /b/ sent ya. anyways, the best field of studying for you is suckniggerdickandswallow

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:19:43 2012 No.4494184 >>4494169 ololol u talk bout fuckin here? can I join? xD _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:19:43 2012 No.4494185 >>4494169 >that doesnt make you a slut yes it does. >its not like it even matters It does if you don't want to be a slut.

>>	le oldfag !9kbJjvwmwE Thu Mar 22 17:20:51 2012 No.4494190 >>4494179 i don't liek tripfags they are all dumb ;) _________________ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:21:00 2012 No.4494197 >>4494185 what fucking definition are you using? sluts fuck strangers! i dont

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:23:15 2012 No.4494201 >>4494197 Sluts don't know how many people they've fucked. Sluts have multiple fuck buddies. Sluts don't have a grasp on how many sexual partners the average person has had. EK is slut and slut is EK.

>>	the chemo that is curing /sci/ Thu Mar 22 17:27:40 2012 No.4494209 >>4494201 +1

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:29:55 2012 No.4494215 >>4494201 w/e, if you wanna use that definition then go ahead. i see no point in counting, its not a fucking competition! and having multiple fuck buddies is totally fine, monogamy isnt mandatory!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:36:44 2012 No.4494232 >>4494215 spoken like a true slut

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:39:59 2012 No.4494247

>>4494201

>I'm going to insult people with a better sexuality history than I because I am inadequate

I'm a virgin and even I can figure out how retarded you are

who care's how many individuals someone fucks?

am i being trolled

besides the obvious other trolls

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:40:08 2012 No.4494250
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>>4494232
erm, by the way, historically humans were never meant to be monogamous (cavemen fucked whoever the hell they liked for thousands of years). it was religion and the whole tradition of pair bonded marriage that started that shit (marriage is a totally un-necessary tradition by the way, humans are the only animals that do it)
and most species in the animal kingdom are not monogamous either!
so i suppose the majority of all animals in the world are 'sluts' then, hmm??

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:42:24 2012 No.4494261 >>4494250 >cavemen fucked whoever the hell they liked for thousands of years CaveMEN, that's right. Not caveWOMEN.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:42:24 2012 No.4494264

>>4494247
for some FUCKING STUPID reason, theres this retarded double standard where apparently some stupid assed morons think that guys are supposed to fuck as many women as they can, and women are supposed to fuck as few as they can (as in, stick to just 1 guy forever)
which is just sexist and retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:43:31 2012 No.4494270 >>4494261 i mean cavePEOPLE they fucked each other

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:44:40 2012 No.4494273 >>4494264 No. The reason is because there are people who have moral standards. One of these standards is to keep sex an intimate act between married couples. Wildly fucking around is simply disgusting, no matter if it's done by men or women.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:45:47 2012 No.4494275 >>4494264 Shitty lock, master key.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:52:35 2012 No.4494300

>>4494273
how the fuck does sexuality have anything to do with morality??
are you one of those christfag conservitards?
"HURR! HOMOSEXUALITY ARE SIN! BURN IN HELL! GOD WATCHES YEW MASTERBAYTE! MURRIKA! FURRK YERR!! CERMIN AGEN TER SAYV THER MUTHAFERKIN DAY, YER!"

its not immoral at all, it doesn't hurt anybody

>>4494275
false analogy
locks and keys have practical purpose, that is nothing to do with sex
sex is just for pleasure (and also baby making, if your inclined)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:57:07 2012 No.4494318 >>4494273 I'm going to have a BDSM orgy with 6 random strangers and there is nothing you can do about it how does it feel? are you visibly agitated?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:57:16 2012 No.4494319 [DELETED]

>>4494300
Any act involving orifices of the body is for good evolutionary reasons considered disgusting, which resulted in the cultural representation of said disgust in morals. There's more than "hurr durrr atheist vs christian" in our society's history, even if I can say for sure that your uneducated mind won't bother to think about it. Your whole person is nothing but the archetypal anti-intellectual.
I hope that helped. Have a nice day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:58:16 2012 No.4494325 >>4494318 As long as your BDSM orgy involves no sexual intercourse, I see no problem.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:59:24 2012 No.4494328

>>4494318
he shouldnt care, if its not rape and they all want to do it, its just 7 people all having a good time together.
its none of his business.

>>4494319
>good evolutionary reasons
oh please! we pissed all over 'evolutionary reasons' when we invented the fucking condom!

>>4494325
google 'orgy', retard

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:01:40 2012 No.4494336
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>>4494319
>Any act involving orifices of the body is for good evolutionary reasons considered disgusting
wait a sec, that emans you find ALL SEX to be disgusting then?
even 1 man 1 woman consensual missionary position etc?

hate to break it to you hun, but most people dont find that disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:02:40 2012 No.4494337 >>4494336 >emans *means

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:04:03 2012 No.4494346 >>4494319 every time you post I'm going to introduce my phallus to a consenting individual's mouth and anus not necessarily in that order

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:05:11 2012 No.4494347 [DELETED]

>>4494328
An orgy is an act of immoderate or frenzied indulgence. As I would expect from your dumb person, you are lacking etymological knowledge as well.
The invention of the condom doesn't change the ubiquitous connotation of sex, degeneration and corruption.

>>4494336
Of course it is naturally disgusting. This disgust can only be overcome by love and the will to pass on genetics.

>>4494346
Dream on. You're probably a virgin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:08:28 2012 No.4494355 >>4494347 >An orgy is an act of immoderate or frenzied indulgence. still not seeing the downside

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:09:36 2012 No.4494358
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>>4494347
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgy
"In modern usage, an orgy is a sex party where guests freely engage in open and unrestrained sexual activity or group sex."
moron.

>The invention of the condom doesn't change the ubiquitous connotation of sex, degeneration and corruption.
It means it can just be about pleasure, without worrying about the unwanted possibility of baby making (yes i know connies arnt 100%, but still...)
>degeneration and corruption.
the fuck is this?
you're just spouting buzzwords, theres nothing wrong with sex you fucking prude.

>Of course it is naturally disgusting.
not to everyone else

> This disgust can only be overcome by love and the will to pass on genetics.
you're retarded

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:12:59 2012 No.4494362 [DELETED]

>>4494355
Whatever you mean by downsides, fact is an orgy does not always include penetrations of any kind.

>>4494358
How old are you, if I may ask? From reading your post now I get the impression I'm talking to a highschooler who has never had sex and dwells in absurd fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:13:59 2012 No.4494364 >>4494358 >you're retarded You know, there are these things called trolls...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:14:08 2012 No.4494367 >>4494364 No trolling in here. This EK person seems to be genuinly retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:14:08 2012 No.4494371 >>4494362 >How old are you, if I may ask? 21 >>4494364 he might not be, some people genuinely think this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:14:16 2012 No.4494374 >>4494358 >ad hominem >ad hominem >opinions >opinions >hurr >durr Can I see some arguments, please?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:15:16 2012 No.4494375 >>4494362 suppose all of my orgy's end in penetration of the three main orifices (two for males) >still not seeing the downside

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:17:32 2012 No.4494382
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>>4494374
>Can I see some arguments, please?
...fine

for most people sex is just for pleasure.
its a private activity between (usually) 2 consenting individuals, both of which enjoy it, and nobody gets hurt.
And it's nobody else's business.

therefore, unless you can come up with proper arguments about why that is a bad thing, then it is an acceptable and good thing by default

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:19:47 2012 No.4494390 [DELETED]

>>4494371
So you are 21 and you still have neither developped an understanding of morals nor did you learn basic debating skills. I know there are people like these, but usually their condition correlates with severe impairment and lacking the mental abilities to use a computer.
What does such a person do on a science board?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:19:47 2012 No.4494393 >>4494375 Go back to /b/, underage retard.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:21:03 2012 No.4494396

>>4494390
we are debating, and i do have morals, its just my morality as far as sexuality goes is pretty liberal. i have no problem with people doing whatever the hell they like. even if its really fucking wierd fetishes that gross me out, i believe they have the right to do it with each otehr if they both really want to, i just wont do it myself, and its none of my business.
my morals mainly revolve around not causing pain to living things.
consensual sex doesnt cause pain, so its fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:22:03 2012 No.4494399 >>4494393 enjoy stoicism oh wait, you can't

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:23:19 2012 No.4494403 >>4494390 phd here. i have morals based roughly on the harm principle. sex is delicious and fine and not disgusting.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:23:19 2012 No.4494404
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>STOP DOING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

This conversation reminds me of that one time I had a threesome with two hookers. Not even kidding, shit was so cash.

You're missing out, bro. But whatever makes you happy, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:24:19 2012 No.4494405 >>4494396 My consenting partner has a vore fetish so I decide to cut him up and eat him, discarding only the bones he enjoyed every conscious second of it moral or immoral?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:24:19 2012 No.4494406 [DELETED]

>>4494382
>for most people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

>And it's nobody else's business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

>unless you can come up with [...] good thing by default
I like this kind of fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Sorry, none of your statements properly addresses my point. You avoid talking about morals. Probably because you lack any understanding of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:25:28 2012 No.4494409 >>4494403 >the harm principle. what's that please?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:26:35 2012 No.4494411 >>4494405 i wouldn't consent to it, but i believe he can end his life if he wants to, though it would hurt

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:27:44 2012 No.4494414

>>4494405
erm, that isnt how vore works, hun
they want to be swallowed whole, they want to still be alive.
its not just about being hacked to death and then cannibalised in pieces!
i say immoral, because it does cause suffering, he wouldnt really enjoy it, it isnt possible. being cut hurts

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:27:44 2012 No.4494415 >>4494409 >The harm principle holds that the actions of individuals should only be limited to prevent harm to other individuals there's this magic thing called google

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:27:44 2012 No.4494416 >>4494409 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+harm+principle

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:28:51 2012 No.4494422 [DELETED]

>>4494396
Them having the right to do so is a strawman. I didn't say it's illegal. But it is morally disgusting.

>>4494399
I see what you did there.

>>4494403
A PhD doesn't make you an authority. Fallacy dismissed.

>>4494404
Another person without morals. Purely appalling.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:29:59 2012 No.4494424

>>4494414

>because it does cause suffering, he wouldnt really enjoy it, it isnt possible. being cut hurts

You've never met a masochist

You've also never met someone who really, really enjoys being eaten

There's at least one case of a two individuals which ended with the consensual cannibalism of one of them for sexual purposes

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:30:59 2012 No.4494426 >>4494422 >not an authority of course not, it was a response to this silliness >usually their condition correlates with severe impairment and lacking the mental abilities to use a computer anyway, same old troll

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:31:15 2012 No.4494430 [DELETED]

>>4494415
>>4494416
The harm principle is the most primitive expression of morals one can think of. If your understanding of what is right and wrong doesn't go beyond the harm principle, then you are stuck on the level of toddler.

>>4494426
No trolling in here. It's your incomplete education, when you can't properly read my post and confuse correlation with causation.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:31:15 2012 No.4494431

>>4494422
>I didn't say it's illegal. But it is morally disgusting.
what you find disgusting is just your opinion
most people dont find consensual vanilla sex disgusting. some people find various fetishes disgusting, but then its easy enough to just NOT DO THEM YOURSELF

>>4494422
you still havent explained at all why its immoral. it clearly doesnt cause suffering, and thats what most people sense of morality takes into account.

>>4494424
well, i personally would refuse to kill or eat a human, but if its 2 other people, and one wants to be eaten, and another person complies, well, i dont really give a fuck. they wanted to die, so im not gonna be sad that they're dead or anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:32:23 2012 No.4494434 >>4494430 trolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:33:23 2012 No.4494436 >>4494422 Why would you assume that I'm without morals? A persons moral fibre isn't just constituted by his view on sexuality, you know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:33:23 2012 No.4494438 >>4494430 >J S Mill >A toddler

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:33:23 2012 No.4494440

>>4494431

>well, i personally would refuse to kill or eat a human, but if its 2 other people, and one wants to be eaten, and another person complies, well, i dont really give a fuck.

Good, because the correct answer was it's perfectly acceptable

German law seems to think otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:34:32 2012 No.4494441 >>4494436 please don't feed the troll

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:37:56 2012 No.4494451 >>4494440 there is no 'correct answer' morals are subjective http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571#Anthropophagy i find it immoral to eat people in most circumstances ...MOST

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:37:56 2012 No.4494452 [DELETED]

>>4494431
Bodily orifices and fluids are among the things that are commonly seen as disgusting by most people. Do you often see others eating shit?

As for the immorality: I did explain that it is correlated with general lack of morality in every other aspect, e.g. criminality, corruption, drug abuse etc. (I know this is gonna pull a lot more trolls in the thread who intentionally misinterpret what I wrote.)

>>4494434
Nope.

>>4494438
I don't know JS Mill, but when he says there is nothing beyond the harm principle, then he has the maturity of a toddler.

>>4494436
Sexuality and your view upon it are important representatives of your morality. If you lack them there, you are very likely to lack them in the rest of your life as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:38:04 2012 No.4494456 >>4494452 >trolling

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:38:04 2012 No.4494457
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>>4494436
morality just means 'what humans consider to be right and wrong' in completely basic terms.
but obviously that's subjective, so morality can basically be whatever the hell you want it to be
like jihadis killing innocent people genuinely think its the right thing to do and it's what god wants.

if this guys morality is different and he doesnt like se or promiscuity or whatever, then fine, thats his morality, but he cant make the rest of us follow it

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:39:12 2012 No.4494463 >>4494457 don't give attention to trolls EK if you must please sage

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:40:12 2012 No.4494466 >>4494457 *sex

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:40:20 2012 No.4494468 >>4494463 he might not be a troll, and seems to be putting more effort into a post than most trolls would

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:41:20 2012 No.4494471 >>4494452 you acknowledge "harmless wrongdoing"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:42:27 2012 No.4494473 >>4494468 no, he's this clever and annoying troll that's been around for a few days now. he just likes to argue basically. and he will wriggle around and waste your time.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:43:36 2012 No.4494479

>>4494463
>if you must please sage
sorry, will do.

>>4494452
>Bodily orifices and fluids are among the things that are commonly seen as disgusting by most people.
that's because of an understanding of hygiene.
what people commonly find to be 'disgusting' are actions that are likely to make you ill
(eating shit, licking someones snotty hanky, drinking vomit, etc)

if your sexual partner(s) have good hygiene, and are clean down there, its not disgusting at all.

>criminality, corruption, drug abuse etc.
if you can link that to sex/promiscuity in any way, then maybe you'll have a point.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:44:44 2012 No.4494486 [DELETED]

>>4494457
Wait a sec, are you trying to cheat me again? It's a whole bunch of trolls who currently wants to force their faulty opinions upon ME. And it's not like are not treating opinions as facts all the time.

>>4494463
The one who yells "troll" the loudest is usually the troll.

>>4494471
There is no such thing.

>>4494473
Nice try. I am seriously discussing. You on the other hand have provided nothing but /b/-esque perturbations.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:46:00 2012 No.4494495 >>4494486 >There is no such thing. you just casually confirmed you, in fact, do follow the Harm Principle (contradictory statement to what you proposed earlier)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:46:00 2012 No.4494497 >>4494486 >trolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:48:07 2012 No.4494502 >>4494497 You are aware that saging just for the purpose of saging does nothing right? It's not going to magically counter his post

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:48:07 2012 No.4494503
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>>4494486
>It's a whole bunch of trolls who currently wants to force their faulty opinions upon ME. And it's not like are not treating opinions as facts all the time.
im not trying to force you to do anything, all im saying is, you dont have the right to force other people to obey your own particular brand of morality if they are not hurting people.
they can do what they like, and have as much promiscuous sex as they like, etc, and its none of your business.

and in return, you can be a prude, stay a virgin forever (if you desire) and i will not have a problem with that. you arnt hurting anybody either, so you're free to do as you like

saging, just coz the general consensus seems to be that you're a troll
this is probably my final word here anyway

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:50:25 2012 No.4494516

>>4494479
Don't listen to the troll who tells you to sage. My reply will bump anyway.
And once again: Disgust has evolutionarily developped over a long time. The recent inventions regarding hygiene do not annihilate millions of years of evolution.

>if you can link that to sex/promiscuity in any way, then maybe you'll have a point
I hope you are aware that hookers are known to steal, take drugs and be antisocial in general.

>>4494495
Of course I do follow the principle of harm. It is the most basic principle. But a mature person has more than just that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:50:57 2012 No.4494515 >>4494502 saging is also a form of self expression

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:52:39 2012 No.4494524 >>4494516 >trolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:52:39 2012 No.4494525 >>4494503 take your pills

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:53:47 2012 No.4494529 >>4494503 I'd like to remind you that the whole discussion started with another anon calling you out for being morally degenerate and you responding by confusing opinions and facts. Now please don't pretend you are innocent. >>4494524 >shitposting

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:54:55 2012 No.4494531 >>4494529 >trolling

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:56:04 2012 No.4494537

>>4494516
hygiene isnt something thats 'invented', hygiene is the result of our evolutionary disposition to find unsanitary conditions disgusting.

>I hope you are aware that hookers are known to steal, take drugs and be antisocial in general.
some do, some dont
theres no direct link, i mean sure, a liberal lifestyle with regard to sex (choosing to be a hooker) might imply a liberal lifestyle with regard to drugs and things, and perhaps disregard for the law as well (so stealing) but they arnt directly linked.

>>4494525
shush, i already did like half an hour ago. i dont need reminding here, i can look after myself thanks. (not /sci/s business anyway)

>>4494529
and as i said, that is his OPINION that i am 'morally degenerate'

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:58:20 2012 No.4494543

>>4494516
>I hope you are aware that hookers are known to steal, take drugs and be antisocial in general.

Now this is just downright wrong. If they're at the low end of the price spectrum, then yeah, you may have a point - but expensive callgirls (200$ + per hour) are usually quite well mannered and educated. Most of them are either hedonistic and have adapted to making huge amounts of money in one night, or they simply enjoy sex without the emotional bullshit. At least that's my experience. And yeah, I've had quite a few of them in my time until I've found my current gf. See, I have morals, I wouldn't cheat on her. That has to account for something.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:00:35 2012 No.4494552

>>4494537
Modern hygiene relies on inventions that were made in the 20th century. You should know this.

>theres no direct link
A very high correlation exists. You can't deny.

>>4494543
>people who would do anything for money
>having morals

Do you see how ridiculous your post is?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:00:35 2012 No.4494554

>>4494516

>But a mature person has more than just that.

Now you are defining harmless wrongdoing.

You cannot accept Harm Principle without discarding harmless wrongdoing as inane

no one is getting hurt

there is no moral crime which is being committed

too suggest otherwise is harmless wrongdoing

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:01:44 2012 No.4494555 >>4494537 Could you explain your understanding of morality?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:03:00 2012 No.4494562

>>4494543
>they simply enjoy sex without the emotional bullshit.
well so do i, but i'm still not a whore. i kinda think its immoral to charge for something that should be free. people should just choose their partners.

otherwise its kinda like you dont really want them, but you'll put up with it because you are rewarded.
so its kinda like 'consenting to rape' if that makes any sense, because they wouldnt actually be into it.
or even if they are, seeing as our both getting pleasure, its a bit unfair and unbalanced that one should be paid as well. if you both enjoy it, why is he paying her rather than the other way around?
should be totally equal MO

but thats just my morality

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:03:00 2012 No.4494563

>>4494554
Complete and utter bullshit. There are a lot of wrongdoings that don't harm anyone but are still to be considered wrong. Do you want to derail this into some kind of philosophy, hoping that I don't know about it so you can feel superior and claim to have won the debate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:03:51 2012 No.4494561 >>4494552 They don't do 'anything', they have sex. Don't start shitting up this discussion by being imprecise. Also, I've said that some of them just do it for pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:04:00 2012 No.4494565 >>4494552 >trolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:05:07 2012 No.4494571 >>4494561 A very small minority does it for pleasure. The rest would do anything for money, including actual crimes.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:05:16 2012 No.4494573
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>>4494543
>I've had quite a few of them in my time until I've found my current gf. See, I have morals, I wouldn't cheat on her.
>'cheating'
you find polyamoury to be immoral? or just dishonesty?

>>4494555
erm, its mainly just this: >>4494403
A little more complex, but avoiding suffering is the core of it, and apart from that im all in favour of absolute freedom for everybody.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:08:33 2012 No.4494582
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>>4494571
>The rest would do anything for money, including actual crimes.
oh please!
everybody wants money
the fact is that whoring yourself out is extremely fucking easy, and probably pretty lucrative (if you're hot at least...and that takes no skill anyway, just luck)
in some places its illegal, in some places it isnt.
some women take it up (pun intended =p) as a completely legit profession.
it doest automatically mean they will resort to crime to get money, anymore than anyone else in any other legit profession would.

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:08:33 2012 No.4494587 >>4494573 Well well well. So many implicit implications. Now you have to define "harm" and "freedom" and since these are defined subjectively , it would be insufficient to link to wikipedia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:08:33 2012 No.4494589 >>4494563 >There are a lot of wrongdoings that don't harm anyone but are still to be considered wrong. >>4494486 >There is no such thing. Stop contradicting yourself, you silly goose

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:09:39 2012 No.4494592 Computer Science + Linguistics = Computational Linguistics, Cryptography and codes, Natural Language Processing, Machine Learning, Text to Speech/Speech to Text, OCR

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:10:47 2012 No.4494601

>>4494582
Why the fuck do you think it's justified to project your reasoning into hookers at general? Just because you're a slut, doesn't mean that all of them think like you. Criminality in that kind of business is a well accepted fact.

>>4494589
>implying I am contradicting myself

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:12:56 2012 No.4494607 >>4494592 Hey, don't you dare to post on-topic. This thread isn't OP's anymore. Don't you disturb our troll fest. /irony I feel sorry for OP.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:13:03 2012 No.4494613

>>4494587
'harm' i count as any kind of suffering
especially physical pain, but also restricting freedoms, restricting movement, emotional torment, etc.
'forcing another individual to experience any feeling that they do not like'

'freedom' - lack of restrictions, people not forcing you, bribing, you, or blackmailing you into performing actions you dont want to, or not performing actions you do want to.

>>4494601
>Criminality in that kind of business is a well accepted fact.
no it isnt
some people whore themselves out illegally, but its legal in some parts of the USA, and also in the netherlands i think.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:13:13 2012 No.4494615 >>4494601 Care to explain how you are not contradicting yourself?

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:16:27 2012 No.4494622 >>4494613 You are using "restrictions of freedom" to define suffering, while defining freedom via "lack of restrictions". Your definitions are circular and thus meaningless. Try again.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:18:44 2012 No.4494627

>>4494613
Can you please stop this idiotic babble of hurr durr some people do, some people don't? Ancecdotal evidence is bullshit and a fallcy. Back up your nonsense or admit your defeat.

>>4494615
>shifting the burden of proof
Nope. You better explain HOW I'm contradicting myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:19:51 2012 No.4494629 hey what's going on in thre-- >what the fuck man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:19:51 2012 No.4494632 >>4494629 We're having a nice and civilized discussion about linguistics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:20:51 2012 No.4494633 >>4494627 >trolling

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:22:07 2012 No.4494637

>>4494622
actually it makes sense in my understanding of morality that the 2 would be linked.
if you have absolute freedom to do what you want, and feel what you want, then you would never suffer.
it would be perfect.

>>4494627
>Can you please stop this idiotic babble of hurr durr some people do, some people don't?
i dont think prostituation should be illegal. I think people should have the freedom to run it as a legit business anywhere in the world if they are willing to sell it, and people are willing to buy it.
I personally wouldnt have any involvement, but i dont think it should be banned if 2 people consent to buy and sell the service of their own free wills.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:22:17 2012 No.4494640 >>4494637 >strawmen, nothing but strawmen Where the fuck are your arguments?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:24:23 2012 No.4494644 >>4494640 what? where? what strawman?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:24:23 2012 No.4494646

>>4494627

I already did. I posited that you acknowledged "harmless wrongdoing" In
>>4494471

You responded by acknowledging that such a concept is impossible, in
>>4494486

You then went on to claim
>>4494563

which is a clear contradiction of previously held-beliefs

you were doing pretty well until everything fell apart due to contradictory claims.

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:25:31 2012 No.4494649

>>4494637
You haven't yet properly defined suffering and freedom. Using them as words doesn't give them meaning and building up circular dependencies between your definitions makes the whole thing pointless. Don't you disappoint me. I expect you to have a clear understanding of what you believe in.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:27:47 2012 No.4494657

>>4494644
What you posted didn't address my post. You cannot avoid the point. Well, you can, but that only shows how you lack debating skills.

>>4494646
I fully and consistently explained my point without any contradictions. It's your fault, when you're unable to resolve pseudo-contradictions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:29:03 2012 No.4494660 >>4494649 suffering - process of experiencing the biological response of pain freedom - the ability to make choices morality - expressing "freedom" to the highest extent without in turn causing "suffering" to other individuals

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:32:20 2012 No.4494665 >>4494563 >There are a lot of wrongdoings that don't harm anyone but are still to be considered wrong. By who?

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:37:59 2012 No.4494679

>>4494660
Let's see. According to your definition of suffering there exists only physical pain. Any kind of mental discomfort, like for example depression, is not suffering to you then?
Your definition of freedom begs for defining "choice". Are you implying free will here?
"Morality" stays very vague in what you posted. What is "the highest extent"? How do you measure the extent of freedom?

Let me also draw some conclusions from your definitions. Since losing money is not physical pain and the opportunity of taking it is possible, it would follow that stealing is completely compatible with your defintion of morality, or even is encouraged as it would be an expression of your freedom.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:39:16 2012 No.4494681

>>4494649
for suffering, i mean any kind of undesirable biochemical affect in the brain triggered from external stimuli. e.g. pain receptors, but also things like fear, lonliness, desperation, feeling trapped, helpless etc.

for freedom i mean that you have the ability to persue your desires without being impeded by other humans.

this isnt circular, you must understand this.

>>4494657
there is no strawman, that was your only point to my last post, and you're wrong.

>>4494679
btw, you're arguing against 2 different people here. i'll address that last one in a sec

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:41:24 2012 No.4494685 >>4494679 nvm, this post isnt directed at me

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:43:39 2012 No.4494691 >>4494681 I hope I'm not arguing "against" anyone. We can all learn from debating. (Except for me. As a genius I already know everything.) Would you mind setting up a tripcode, if you plan on further participating?

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:44:48 2012 No.4494692 >>4494685 You're welcome to talk your about your morality as well.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:45:55 2012 No.4494698

>>4494679

Pain can be interpreted as emotional or physical

mental suffering is experienced by the brain in the same fashion as physical pain

>implying free will here?

Yes, or at least the neurological illusion of the concept

>"Morality" stays very vague in what you posted.

thats

thejoke

Morality is wholly subjective and cannot properly be defined objectively

>It's moral to me, because I believe it is

EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Thu Mar 22 19:46:55 2012 No.4494699

>>4494691
>Would you mind setting up a tripcode, if you plan on further participating?
sure, i can use my old one for now (dont reli care if i get impersonated)

>I hope I'm not arguing "against" anyone.
sory, slip of the tongue, i mean 'debating with'

>>4494692
i have been doing, im the other anon

>>	EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Thu Mar 22 19:47:11 2012 No.4494703 File: 132 KB, 686x686, Thisiscorrect.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4494698 yeh, i agree with this guy

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:50:27 2012 No.4494718

>>4494681
Okay, I see you improved your definitions and managed to separate them. Yet your "freedom" remains vague. What "desires" are you allowd to have? How can you "persue" them and how can this be "impeded" by others?

>>4494698
Morality is subjective. If that's what you say, then your definitiion shouldn't be vague at all. You should be able to formulate what constitutes your morality.
By including non-physical pain into suffering you managed to cancel my above conlcusion regarding theft. But how about lying? Are lies morally correct to you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:54:51 2012 No.4494728 >>4494718 >Are lies morally correct to you? It is if you think it is If you agree Morality is subjective, why are you attempting to get a concrete definition?

EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Thu Mar 22 19:56:16 2012 No.4494736

>>4494718
i was intentionally vague because theres like infinite different ways it could happen, ill just provide some examples i guess.

>What "desires" are you allowd to have?
so, i might desire to eat some food or something

>How can you "persue" them
erm, getting the food, putting it in my mouth

>how can this be "impeded" by others?
someone else taking the food and running away, shitting on the food, smashing up the food, or holding me away from it.

or:
wanting to smoke weed
persued by buying weed
impeded by other humans who will lock you away for trying to do it.

wanting a gay marriage (if i was a dude, and also gay...its just an example)
persued by finding some consenting engineer who wants to get married as well, choosing a date, making plans for the ceremony etc
impeded by religious arseholes who dont want you to do it even though it doesnt personally affect them and they dont know you and have never met you

3 examples, probably enough, you get the idea

>>	mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 19:57:16 2012 No.4494737 >>4494728 A concrete definition doesn't contradict subjectivity. On the contrary subjectivity implies that everyone should have his own concrete definition. You should be aware of yours.

EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Thu Mar 22 20:01:48 2012 No.4494750

>>4494736
oh, one more thing i wanted to add, i mean that these things are impeded just by humans (or other conscious animals at least) for it to count in my morality.
so acts of nature, or just bad luck, arnt affected
you dont have the right to not die in some freak accident, or get cancer, or to be hit by lightning, even though you will suffer.
morality doesnt really apply if there isnt other conscious beings affecting or being affected in some way.

im pretty sleepy and i have early lectures tommorow, i'd better go.
nice talking to you though
:)

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 20:03:05 2012 No.4494761

>>4494737

Mine is defined by the aforementioned harm principle

I also acknowledge that my personal interpretation of morality (designed by neural networks and their best representation of my environment in the way it suits me and my species) may vary heavily from someone else's, and neither of us is right, because right and wrong are relative

I could write out every conceivable action that I consider to be "moral" and "immoral" but...why?

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 20:03:56 2012 No.4494757

>>4494736
>probably enough, you get the idea
Sadly no. Your examples are too similar to each other and too simple. They are depicting a conflict between your person are your environment. Morality is most interesting as an inner conflict instead of something being forced upon you. I'd be more interested in the border cases of what YOU think is allowed to be desired and what isn't. Where you and only you are the one impeding yourself.

EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Thu Mar 22 20:09:44 2012 No.4494787

>>4494757
erm, i dont impede myself at all, other than my own human nature making me more or less likely to do things. (im likely to desire and seek pleasure, food, sleep, sex, company etc) while avoiding pain (fire, drowning, ice, sharp things)
also the laws of physics, i cant sprout a third arm even if i want to.

>I'd be more interested in the border cases of what YOU think is allowed to be desired and what isn't.
anythings allowed to be desired, theres no thoughtcrime, its just that its not always morally correct to put those desires into practise.

so like, if i desired the death of another human, its fair enough wanting them to be dead in my opinion, but actually making efforts to kill them is immoral.

anyway i really have to go, but if his thread is still around tommorow i might pick up any of your other posts and respond later.

goodnight.

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 20:09:44 2012 No.4494789

>>4494750
I addressed that in my other post. See above (if you come back tomorrow)
Well good night then.

>>4494761
The point here is not being right or wrong. What I'm on about is the difficulty of precisely formulating something that you subconsciously consider to be self-evident. Why is it that you can decide for a given situation what would be your moral decision, while it is hard for you to give a finite set of rules how to make such decision?

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 20:16:32 2012 No.4494812

>>4494789

>actions of individuals should only be limited to prevent suffering (use previous definition from earlier in this thread) to other individuals (people who are not you).

If you have difficulty understanding any of the terms involved, may I suggest a dictionary

not sure how much straightforward it gets

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 20:17:39 2012 No.4494818

>>4494787
As I understand your post, you're saying that your morality is entirely defined by the physical and human laws. It doesn't exist inside of you, but is created by others. That means if hypothetically all human laws were abolished, there is nothing to impede you from commiting what was previously considered crime. Think about it. Is that what you wanted to say?

mathgenius (not trolling) !!Ceavr+zDPUk Thu Mar 22 20:21:03 2012 No.4494838

>>4494812
>not sure how much straightforward it gets
Not enough. I think we can agree that it is always possible to construct border cases in which you'd have to trade off your own potential suffering against other persons' potential suffering. Your harm principle doesn't give you a rule on how to quantify or to weight different forms of suffering.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 20:36:47 2012 No.4494885 >>4494838 >is always possible to construct border cases in which you'd have to trade off your own potential suffering against other persons' potential suffering. that's easy if forced to choose, I come first

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 02:45:15 2012 No.4495901 What the fuck guys. Did anyone even read the Op. This thread is a total shit storm.

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