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4292107 No.4292107 [Reply] [Original]

If space can be altered by the gravity of a planet, wouldn't that make it a physical thing. If so, what is it made of?

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4292110

"if your hair can be altered by the wind around you, wouldn't that make it a physical thing. If so, what is it made of?"

...twat

>> No.4292115

space is made of time

>> No.4292118

>>4292110
>>4292115
Does it have mass?

>> No.4292124

>>4292118
Does time have mass?
What do you think? It pushes all that is. Electricity and light and bodies in motion move only because time. Without time, it wouldn't move at all. There would be no heat. Nothingness.

>> No.4292128

>If space can be altered by the gravity of a planet, wouldn't that make it a physical thing.
What.

>> No.4292133

>>4292110
reported for ek enjoy your ban

>> No.4292135
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4292135

Pic painfully related.

>> No.4292137 [DELETED] 

Are you implying there is something non-physical in our universe?

>> No.4292141

>>4292118
Is mass important for gravity? I don't think so.

>> No.4292146

>>4292137
What is thought?

>> No.4292149

No guys, I mean like.. is space a thing like an atom is a thing or like not a thing

>> No.4292151

inb4 neutrinos

>> No.4292156 [DELETED] 

>>4292146
Thought is that way
>>>biology 101

>> No.4292162

>>4292149
A thing or not a thing? Isn't it quite close-minded to assume only a dualism of things and non-things?

>> No.4292163

>>4292151
The neutrinos were inb4 the thread started.

>> No.4292172

>>4292156
Good luck explaining thoughts by means of biology. It will never happen

>> No.4292174

>>4292162
But like, is space made of something? Becauses things are made from somethings. Maybe nothing doesn't exist.

>> No.4292177

>>4292135
>>4292135
Could someone actually answer that question?

>> No.4292180 [DELETED] 

>>4292149
You exist in space, so it is physical because you 'interact' with it.

Take this analogy:
Fish(you) in water(space).
You exist in it.

It might not look "physical" but in the grand meaning of things, it is.
Don't take this analogy seriously, i was just making a point.

>> No.4292181

>>4292177
No fuckwit, since we don't know the nature of space or gravity.

>> No.4292185 [DELETED] 

>>4292172
Am 100% convinced that you're a kid.
Go back to highschool.

>> No.4292188

>>4292180
You don't interact with space, you interact with objects in it.

>> No.4292190

>>4292174
Maybe something and nothing are actually the same while being different. Who knows?
Well, I know, since I'm a genius. But the truth is too complicated for you.

>> No.4292194

>>4292190
So, is uh, space made of something?

>> No.4292196

Holy fuck this thread. I hope these posts are all satire.

>> No.4292197 [DELETED] 

>>4292188
Well, in this context it is sufficient.

>> No.4292201

>>4292180
Oh look, it's this troll again.

Your logic:
Masses interact through gravity. Therefore gravity has to have mass. But then gravity is affected by gravity, leading to infinite recursion. Therefore gravity can't real.

>> No.4292203

>>4292107
It's an analogy moron, just a way to "picture" what we think is happening because of what the math suggests.

>> No.4292204

>>4292185
You haven't defined "kid". Maybe everyone is a kid according to your twisted definition. In order to troll the maximum, you deform logic in a nearly painful manner.

>>4292194
Is something made of nothing?

>> No.4292205

>>4292194
Do you know why neutrinos are faster than light?
Because they are made of space time. We are made of light and energy and matter, these are what holds matter in place, including gravity.

>> No.4292206 [DELETED] 

>>4292201
No.
Gravity and mass are interacted and gravity is interacts on is own level with space.

Its definitely not "nothing" but something that interacts with the "physical" world.

Now go to sleep kid.

>> No.4292207

>>4292181
This.

>> No.4292208

>>4292204
But things are made of something. Nothing is made from nothing.

>> No.4292212

>>4292206
>Gravity and mass are interacted and gravity is interacts on is own level with space.

wanna try that one again tough guy?

>> No.4292213

>>4292206
Unfortunately you failed to post a coherent reply. You should feel embarrassed for your stuttering babble.

>> No.4292215

>>4292208
What are ideas made of?

>> No.4292217

>thinks gravity is real with no evidence

>> No.4292218

>>4292208
By nothing do you mean nothing or the thing of nothing, which would be something?

>> No.4292236 [DELETED] 

>>4292212
Are you saying that gravity and space dont interact in any way?
Ofc you dont.

In THAT *context* space is "physical".
Am just saying this in a sort of way cause OP made a case and made it look like space was "nothingness".

I hope you get my point.

>> No.4292242

>>4292236
I hope he doesn't get your point, because your point is wrong.

>> No.4292248

>>4292236
When you use an analogy to describe something that actually happens, you don't then use the analogy to define said event.

>> No.4292252

>>4292177
We don't know. There's a theory there's dark matter but I really don't know enough about the subject to get into this deeper. Just let the scientists do the thinking regarding this topic

>> No.4292286 [DELETED] 

>>4292248
Can you be more clear?
Am just stating the obvious.

That space is indeed affecting/affected (by) matter/energy.
OP seemed to doubt this.

Earlier i just used a different word ("interaction") for this, if you read the posts you'll see i explained how.

>> No.4292294

>>4292286
>dat troll logic

Doesn't it leave permanent damage to contort your natural reasoning skills so bizarre?

>> No.4292298

>>4292107
Of course gravity is "a physical thing". What else would it be? A chemical thing?

>> No.4292301

>>4292298
Hold some in your hand then.

>> No.4292303

>>4292298
A biological thing

xD

>> No.4292306 [DELETED] 

>>4292286
Also, in that context one could say that it is physical (unlike something mystical or whatever OP thought).

Not ofc in the strict definition/sense but given the accompanied description that would be sufficient to justify the meaning of 'physical'.

>> No.4292308

>>4292177
The answer is "Gravity". No, that isn't an explanation. Even the equations are only descriptions.

>> No.4292321

>>4292306
You retard don't even know what "physical" means. Go on and define it.

>> No.4292324 [DELETED] 

>>4292308
Why time slows down where gravity is bigger?

>> No.4292326

>>4292306
You are either
a) high/drunk
b) not a native speaker
c) a fucking moron

None of these choices preclude your knowing not one fuck of what you speak.

>> No.4292332 [DELETED] 

>>4292321
Do you play vidya?

>> No.4292337

Gravity? LOL. The only known source of gravity, scientifically speaking, is the earth. Anyone telling otherwise is either a troll or a biologist.

>> No.4292340

>>4292332
Of course not. A genius has better things to do than indulging in the activities of autistic man children.

>> No.4292342

But I thought Gravity and Space were two different things

What is space?

>> No.4292346 [DELETED] 

>>4292326
Either troll or your understanding is a maggost infested toilet.
Pick one and stick with it, its gonna be a long ride, not a pleasant one.

Brb, ripping your fetus brother from your mother's cunt and grind it to a cup, make a coffee and make you drink because you gotta WAKE THE FUCK UP AND BEFORE THAT YOU SHOULD SMELL THE COFFEE, ITS NO SUGAR AND ALL FETUS.

But yeah.

>> No.4292347

>>4292342
Space is defined by the absence of gravity.

>> No.4292354

>>4292346
Oh cool, you're also 12.

>> No.4292360 [DELETED] 

>>4292347
>earth has gravity
>therefore space is absent
>known physics breaks down
Lets invent a new one and call it Bonnie.

>> No.4292361

>>4292346
I'd like to remind you, my dear sir, that this place is dedicated to the exchange of scientific information.

>> No.4292365

>>4292347
So the earth and the area affected by its gravity isn't in space, it's surrounded by it. Neato.

>> No.4292366

>>4292360
Are you disagreeing with SCIENCE?

>> No.4292368

Fortunately we now have 2 idiot namefag trolls, so they can continue the discussion without need of outside assistance.

>> No.4292370

Guys, I thought space was like a fabric...

>> No.4292371 [DELETED] 

>>4292361
>implying i didn't gave that guy a good dose of stem cells and probably saved his life

No need to thank me.

>> No.4292375

I understand what OP is asking.

If space is a physical thing then what is it made out of?

I'd like to know too. Ive seen the "fabric of space-time" thrown around so much. So what's the fabric made out of?

>> No.4292381

>>4292371
Seriously, your thought patterns are horrific. I can't understand how you justify your logic. Truly a miracle.

>> No.4292385

>>4292368
I will assist anyway, because I feel urged to defend SCIENCE.

>> No.4292384 [DELETED] 

Think about it.
If space is a fabric and it is stretched here and there then what is it made of?

What is the smallest piece of a fabric?
A string...STRING THEORY.

Therefore i proved that space is made of strings.
QED'd

>> No.4292388

>>4292384
But you forgot to prove it was a fabric.

>> No.4292391

>>4292388
What exactly is it?

>> No.4292392

>>4292385
>implying you are not one of the two

>> No.4292396

>>4292392
How can I be an idiot? I am a SCIENTIST.

>> No.4292397

>>4292391
nobody knows

>> No.4292399

Gravity is simply an illusion, just like everything else around you, just accept you will never know the truth and move on

>> No.4292402

>>4292375
It is made of v4t5ncv, the substance that composes spacetime.

>> No.4292422

Space is made of anti-matter?

>> No.4292424

>>4292422
matter is made of anti-space

>> No.4292425

>>4292422
YES THAT IS WHY YOU ARE EXPLODED

>> No.4292441 [DELETED] 

>>4292381
Hmm, you're still sleep, i thought fetus coffee will make you more vivid.

But here you are, looking right in my eyes, me, standing, tall, proud, having all the answers of the universe in my left pocket, i move my ankle, tension, i teleport to Mongolia, i punch a female botanist and make a living out of selling wool, that wool, so white and gray, like the moon.
Gotta make amends with the family, a long gone family of an ever-threatening existence, a far away existence, such is the path of the lime, the building blocks of building blocks, have you ever wondered why they are existence building blocks? because they block the builders to block a flock a stroke in the forehead and there you are...standing looking in my eyes again, i shoot you down you die, i win but regret i pile up the death threats of pale nark, but no more cause cardcaptor sakura never forgets, dare, care, sinister lair, preposterous indigenous bear.
Most of the days.

>> No.4292442

How would anyone know?
Go into space and collect a sample?
LOL

>> No.4292446

is there only one space? if not - can we define space of all spaces?

>> No.4292450 [DELETED] 

>>4292441
Quantum randomness was typing that post.

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>>4292441

>> No.4292455

>>4292441
lulz so randumb XD ~~penguin of science

>> No.4292457

>>4292446
global vs local space

>> No.4292458

>>4292441
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>> No.4292462 [DELETED] 

>>4292455
There is no such thing as randomness, the soon your accept it the sooner you'll accept it.

>> No.4292474

>>4292462
Physicists rarely mention the concept of superdeterminism and how it solves the problems of Quantum Mechanics. They do not mention it partly because it contradicst with the Big Bang theory since it makes no sense that a Big Bang Universe can have superdeterminism. John Bell lived under the Big Bang Theory, but if he had lived into the 1990s there arose a rival theory to the Big Bang, called the Atom Totality theory.

The problem John Bell had with Superdeterminism is that there is no mechanism in the Big Bang theory to make Superdeterminism work. In the Atom Totality theory, there is a mechanism in that the Nucleus of the Atom-Totality does all the ordering up of every event that takes place in the Cosmos. The Nucleus pulls the strings of every event that takes place in the entire Universe. The year that John S. Bell died, 1990, is the year in which the Atom-Totality theory was born. And that too, was superdetermined.

Further Reading:

Internet Book: "ATOM TOTALITY THEORY REPLACES BIG BANG THEORY IN PHYSICS", Archimedes Plutonium Internet book published 1993-2007(assimilated in Jan-Feb 2007 in sci.physics,sci.math)

>> No.4292504

>>4292474
Archimedes Plutonium (born Ludwig Poehlmann in 1950, raised as Ludwig Hansen, legally changed his name to Ludwig van Ludvig, then Ludwig Plutonium, then later changed it to Archimedes Plutonium) – noted for his many posts about his own theories of physics, mathematics, and stock market investing, and in particular his "Plutonium Atom Totality" theory, which posits that the universe is a giant plutonium atom and that galaxies are "dots" in the electron dot cloud of this atom Plutonium also believes that science is biased towards the Jewish religion.

>> No.4292527

>>4292504
wow
I had that kind of 'self repeating fractal-like universe' ideas when I was about 9 yo... Ima write a book about it now! derp

>> No.4292561

Finally the shitposter got banned.
I find it interesting that EK's post got deleted simultaneously.
Coincidence?

>> No.4292572

>>4292141
>I don't think so.
wat

>> No.4292589

>If space can be altered by the gravity of a planet, wouldn't that make it a physical thing.
yes

>If so, what is it made of?
space-time
fields carry some energy even a tiny amount

the simplest example would be if you have a capacitor
with very large flat parallel electrodes
the field between them is constant
but if you move them apart you're creating new electric field and because of that the voltage between the plates becomes higher

explaining it in terms of general relativity would involve explaining it with stress-energy tensors
which is beyond my current knowledge

>> No.4292626

Lets change the way we describe gravity for a moment. Gravity is expressed as a waveform abiding entropy diverges from an otherwise linear path.

If we remove perceived deviation of linear entropic propagation, we find that space itself contains localized curvature. Yet that cannot be because the most common observable waveform may defy this curvature relative to the property of its amplitude.

Thus not all waveforms can be created equal.

The electromagnetic waveform behaves as an entangled helix in motion. The principles of entropy draw the pair but the boundaries of elasticity relative to the wave amplitude define constraint.

The entropic electromagnetic wave represents the cool electrical force interaction. The kinetic force represents the warm electrical force interaction. The thermal force is a function of the electrical nuclear force interaction. The nuclear force can be described as the curvature of space.

cont.

>> No.4292631

When the electrical force exists in entropy it is electromagnetic as an elastic waveform. When the electrical interacts with nuclear the compression weakens the magnetic force which reduces the elastic property of the cool electrical entropy interaction.

The thermal capacitance of a given point of nuclear force defines the transition of phase from strong cool nuclear force to weak thermal nuclear force, at which point the interaction of the thermal nuclear force achieves equilibrium with the electromagnetic force, forming an electromagnetic cloud.

The draw of entropy and the elastic electromagnetic interaction is insufficient to escape the weak thermal nuclear force but sufficient to prevent thermal assimilation of the electrical force.

The thermal force itself decays sporadically as a result, creating weak magnetic points in the electromagnetic surface of the body. These magnetic weaknesses at points thermal radiance elevate cool nuclear force permit the consumption of additional electromagnetic force in excess to equilibrium, resulting in photo-emission as the dispersing surge wave collides with itself.

Thus, gravity is a consequential interaction of sub-thermal nuclear and electromagnetic forces.

>> No.4292632

>>4292561
intredasting.jpg

>> No.4292637

>>4292626
>Lets change the way we describe gravity for a moment.
The previous way of describing gravity was with equations.

>Gravity is expressed as a waveform abiding entropy diverges from an otherwise linear path.
The new way of describing gravity is with word salad.

I like the old way better.

>> No.4292673

>>4292637

Try to follow along, I guess:

Electromagnetic elastic constant:

rt^2=nh/8πM-eƒp

The electromagnetic thermal nuclear interaction:

G/c^2 2r(p) dp/dt = GM-e/(2rp)2

The photo-emission exchange:

ct=±h/2Mv

>> No.4292676

>>4292626
>>4292631
8/10
made me lol

>> No.4292687

>>4292673

Thus:

λd=h/Mv