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Hey /sci/, do you consider psychology and sociology (and other social sciences) to be science? Or are they more pseudo-science?

>> No.4277209

They are hard sciences. Only a troll or a biologist would disagree.

>> No.4277259

Of course they are, at least parts of it. It is no natural science but as long as it makes falsifiable claims and uses statistics it will be considered science.

>> No.4277261

Psychology is not science.

Sociology is.

>> No.4277280

they are of course both sciences. But less hard than meat science. Duh.

>> No.4277281

>>4277207

they are about as much of a science as astrology is

>> No.4277283

>>4277261
Parts of statistical psychology go in the direction of sociology and are considered science.

Anyway do not tell a psychology bitch you meet, that it is not science. Bitches do not like that.

>> No.4277288

>>4277281

Alchemy maybe.

>> No.4277290

>>4277281
you mean astronomy, right?

>> No.4277298

To my knowledge there is only one hard science.

Alchemy.

All the other sciences are like pillows.

>> No.4277300

>>4277207
So do you man that, because it doesn't involve mathemathic models, they wouldn't be science, but pseudo-science?
Science doesn't mean math, as far as I know.
and the main objective of science, I understand, is utility

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>>4277290
>astronomy
>a hard science

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4277312

>physics
>hard science

Math is just an abstraction. None of it is real.

>> No.4277322

>>4277300
Utility isn't the objective of science. Knowledge and understanding of the world is the goal of science.

>> No.4277325

>>4277300
Not exactly, homeopathy and traditionalChineseMedicine have utilities in our society (at least for some people) but they are not science.

Science is a system of adopting and falsifying theories using certain methods (experimental, statistical (which applies to both psy. and soc.), argumentation).

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4277339

>chemistry
>hard science

It just deals with liquids. Liquids aren't hard.

>> No.4277341

>>4277302
I did not mean that. I only assume that he mixed the words up.
Astronomy is no "hard" science because many of its claims are not falsifiable. Many of the theories and models are not testable

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4277351

>science is a hard science

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4277356

>science
>hard science

You can't use science to prove science.

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>>4277356
>>4277351

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4277364

>2012
>scientific method
>inductive reasoning
>implying any of these is logically consistent

>> No.4277365

>>4277356
prove science? what you mean?

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>>4277365
Exactly.

>> No.4277379

>>4277300
>Science doesn't mean math, as far as I know.
Any science is as much science as it is math.

>> No.4277382

There is social science and then there is humanities pretending to be social science. It is perfectly possible to use scientific modelling in social science, and many social scientists do use it, but unfortunately people like to believe they're special and so we get postmodern faggotry about why society can't be treated like every other phenomenon.

Retrodictive modelling is an example of how the scientific method can be used in studying history. The idea is to formulate a theory, then test it against the results that history has already provided us. Peter Turchin has obtained some interesting results using this (he calls it cliodynamics). It's also been picked up by military strategists, just recently I was invited to a conference hosted by the MoD (British Ministry of Defence) on the topic of how strategy can benefit from retrodictive models. Retrodictive models in political science can be (and in fact have been, successfully) applied to predict forwards in time as well, like a normal scientific experiment.

This tends to be overlooked by many academics who are innumerate and who pontificate about methodology instead of settling down to actual research, but there are also plenty who are interested in genuine scientific research.

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>>4277382
>implying your comment is worth reading

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>>4277378
>implying

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>>4277389
>2012
>science
ishiggydiggy

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>>4277393
>2012
>still being in 2012

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>>4277400
>temporal continuity
>hard science

>> No.4277410

Its like im really on /sp/

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>>4277410
>sports
>hard science

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>temporal differenciability
>ice, a hard metal science
>2013
I seriously hope you guys do think this

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>>4277416
>time travel
>h..rd sc..n-AAARRRRGGGH

>> No.4277422
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4277422

>Race
>A Social Construct

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>>4277422
>race
>hard science

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>>4277427
>Evolution
>Not Hard Science
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5L5CCo0kgw

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4277432

>hard
>penis
>science
pick two

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>>4277432
>penis science
>hard

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>>4277433
>youtube
>hard science

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>>4277437
>Youtube
>Not hard Science

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>4277207
>a hard Costanza thread

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>>4277444
>trips
>hard science

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>>4277445
>be on /sci/
>not supporting costanza threads
ISH...

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>>4277453
>Costanza
>soft science

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>>4277455
>costanza
>pop-science

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>>4277458
>pop science
>hard science

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>>4277463
>hard-science
>hard-science

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>>4277472
>...
>...

>> No.4277477

Everything revolving math is science, A good way to start is with language. Realizeing your own potential towards others and aplying it, then evolve. dont forget to eat faggots

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>>4277475
>science
>hard

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4277482

>green text
>hard html

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>>4277477
>This comment
>hard science

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4277489

>SOPA
>hard censorship

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>>4277481
>scientia
>dura

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>>4277477
>2012
>still answering OP

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4277497

>jacob barnett
>hard 12 year old

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>250x250
>a hard size

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4277505

>electromagnetism
>hard gauge boson exchange

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>>4277503
>2012
>50x48

>> No.4277515

>>4277298
what is a hard science

>> No.4277519

>>4277515
what is a hard?

>> No.4277520
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>>4277515
>science
>hard alchemy

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4277522

>that feel when no gf
>a hard feel

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>a hard feel
>hard enough to break diamond

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>>4277531
>diamond
>a hard metal

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4277536

nope

>> No.4277538

science appeals to objectivity to determine facts. Psychology is people (not rational objective

thinkers), appealing to subjective accounts of reality to verify (often at times) biases on behalf

people who feel intellectually superior to others for believing that there is motive behind peoples

actions other than their own random freewill and experiences culminating into an observable action.
Psychologists prove what they want to prove because when dealing with people (who are not objective

but subjective) to determine truth instead of an objective reality you cannot define what you are

doing as science. its got the scientific method in there but defies the very definition and

philosophy behind science. Its not science its bullshit. gathering information through surveys is not

science just because you call it science and it includes the appropriate methodology/ when dealing

with the human brain, mind, and human condition and then trying to comprehend behavioral anomalies

maybe you shouldnt search with "science" .

>> No.4277539

the motivation behind psychologists studies are ridiculous

and are not the study of actual phenomena but personal percieved variances in behaviour not relevant

to the universe or even all of humanity but only those interested in making sure that their child

focuses in a boring classroom. They diagnose any behaviour that isnt desirable as an illness. and

then prescribe any assortment of medication that hasnt been proven to help in any fucking way with

getting rid of the so called disease, but instead treat the imaginary symptom. Fuck you so hard if

you think its ok to dope up children for being children. fuck you so hard if you cannot see how the

whole process carried out by psychologists is nonsense. A real scientific question would inquire

about the state of the world all around us and asks the WORLD/REALITY how. Psychology asks PEOPLE why

the people around them are so fucking annoying. A psychologist is a magician conducting a survey

asking a dozen ignorant uneducated people if magic is real. Just all the way around its loaded

bullshit ready to blow. and then they actually publish the results and say "HEY THIS IS REAL, BELIEVE

THIS"
You cants science magic.

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>>4277538
>>4277539
>tl;dr
>a hard science

>> No.4277545

Can something be both? For instance, sometimes my penis is hard and other times it is soft.

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>>4277533
>metals
>hard conduction band electrons

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>>4277539
>>4277538
reported for seriousness

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>>4277546
>electrons
>a hard particle

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>>4277550
>particles
>hard physical description of reality

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>>4277554
>reality
>a hard social construct

>> No.4277558

We both know that physics is a hard science. Diamond hard. I like to think of it is a wall because it's like the barrier to our understanding of the universe. Chemistry is also a hard science. Diamond hard. I like to think of it as a car because it is always racing toward new discoveries?
What happens if the diamond car of chemistry crashes into the diamond wall of physics? I think it could yield the hardest science ever

>> No.4277559

They're relatively useless hard sciences.

Remember that anything is science as long as it uses the scientific method.

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>>4277559
>being reasonable
>a hard science

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>>4277557
>social constructs
>hard neuronal algorithms

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>>4277566
>neurons
>a hard social construct

>> No.4277570

why are there so many pics of costanza again?

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>>4277566
>ponies
>hard cartoon

>> No.4277575

Doubles is science

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>>4277569
>social constructs
>hard social construct

>>4277571
>cartoons
>hard childhood psychology

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>>4277570
Because the "is psychology a hard science?" thread appears like twenty times a day, and a lot of fags don't understand what science is and think that only math makes something scientific.

But also because
>/sci/
>a hard science

>> No.4277588

>>4277580
LOLOLOLOLOL! Please post at least a couple for future use.

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>>4277584
>psychology
>not a soft science
pick ONE AND ONLY ONE

it is a SOCIAL SCIENCE

SOCIAL SCIENCES ARE NOT EMPIRICAL

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>>4277597
>being a retard and/or troll
>a hard science

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>>4277596

>yume nikki
>a hard game

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the parts that of psychology which use biology as their starting point are science.
The parts of psychology which do not are pseudoscience.

>> No.4277621

>Psychology
>Not a social study

>> No.4277624

study of diamonds = hard science

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>>4277598
>being a troll
>not knowing what 'hard science' means
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_envy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_science

>> No.4277644

>2012
>confining yourself to learning knowledge from one field due to immaturity and bigotry
>physics major btw

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>>4277644
>thinking that other fields cannot be derived from physics and mathematics
ISHYGDDT

>> No.4277661

>>4277653
>thinking that mathematics and physics cannot be derived from logic and philosophy

>> No.4277665

>>4277653
sorry i did not realise you had a 4 digit iq. Continue thinking about everything in terms of sub-atomic interactions instead of using useful simplifications.
I would have thought it was a waste of your cognitive resources but what do i know?
My iq is only 119...

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>>4277661
>thinking that logic and philosophy cannot be derived from abstract critical thinking skills (psychology) in our species

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>>4277666

>> No.4277671

>>4277665
Sure, keep bragging about your internet IQ test score.

>> No.4277678

>>4277671
119 isn't that high...

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>>4277666
>psychology
>not just applied neuroscience

>> No.4277684

>>4277680
>neuroscience
>not just applied complex biological interactions

>> No.4277688

>>4277684
>biological interactions
>not just applied cells

>> No.4277690

>>4277688
>cells
>not just applied chemistry

>> No.4277692

>>4277688
>cells
>not just applied chemical processes

>> No.4277695

>>4277692
>>4277690
>chemical processes
>not just applied molecules

>> No.4277711

>>4277695
>molecules
>not just applied physical chemistry

>physical chemistry
>not just applied physics

>physics
>not just applied mathematics

>mathematics
>not just applied logic

>logic
>not just applied philosophy

>philosophy
>not just applied psychology

WOW, it's fucking nothing.jpg

>> No.4277885

ITT: Costanzas! Costanzas Everywhere!

>> No.4278414

yes, and no, i am not flooding...again