/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.4186425]

After countless hours of debate on forums and real life with people knowledgeable in the area i have concluded that the universe is deterministic.

tl;dr the universe is deterministic.
Physical laws are deterministic.

[снайпер No.4186427]

So, how does the universe end?

[Anonymous No.4186429]

>>4186427
With a bang. Not a whisper.

[Anonymous No.4186443]

Bullshit.
The universe is not deterministic.
Everything is random.
Therefore physical laws are random.
Therefore gravity sometimes work sometimes it doesnt and sometimes it changes completely into something else.

[Anonymous No.4186446]

so how did you manage to get through Bells theorem?

[Anonymous No.4186448]

Neither stance seems falsifiable.

[OP No.4186452]

>>4186429
FALSE.
Fact: heat death occurs
Therefore you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.4186456]

But OP, i have a soul, so the universe can't be deterministic.

[Anonymous No.4186457]

>>4186443
If everything is random why is there a cause-effect? Cause-effect is not a random phenomena, but rather a conditioned response.

[Anonymous No.4186461]

>>4186446
>doesnt understand shit about Bell's theorem.

Actual physicist here, that theorem is a huge insult for the rational scientific mind.

[Anonymous No.4186462]

Schroedinger's cat?

[Anonymous No.4186471]

>>4186457
But we have proof that everything is random, therefore if everything is random nothing is deterministic.
So if i drop an apple it might fly away or explode since physics are random.

[Anonymous No.4186472]

>>4186425
Sure is early 1900s in here. We can't measure the velocity and position of a small particle at the same time. We can't determine where they will be in the future since we can't get numbers to plug into the equations of motion; its indeterminate.

[Anonymous No.4186481]

ITT: People not realizing that the schroedinger's cat thought experiment relies on the possibility that there exist no-energy vacuums in space where the unpredictable nature of particles occurrs.
>pro-tip: dedt>/=h/2pi
tl;dr all processes still occur according to causality due to energy existing everywhere and everytime, the universe is deterministic.

[Anonymous No.4186488]

>>4186471
>"we have proof that everything is random"
>proof that everything is random
>proof of random
Nigga do you realize how proofs work?

[Anonymous No.4186499]

>>4186461
please enlighten me
how is it wrong?

[Anonymous No.4186502]

>>4186481
This
Graduate physics here and i completely agree.

[Anonymous No.4186505]

>>4186499
Just read the wiki article.

[Anonymous No.4186508]

>>4186472
The future is unpredictable because we cannot know the initial conditions.

I posit that even though we cannot measure the initial conditions, there /was/ an initial condition, and the laws of physics will hold strong for those initial conditions such that all events which are destined to happen will end up happening. The words I am typing right now are the effect of the big bang, and it was bound to happen, just as whatever events will take place three years from now are destined to happen.

[Anonymous No.4186509]

>>4186502
the future is good then, I (the person that wrote that post) am only a second semester freshman in undergrad maths hoping to do grad physics.

[Anonymous No.4186513]

The problem is choice.

[Anonymous No.4186516]

>>4186513
>presenting a settingless condition
yeano.png, if you want us to discuss something, give an example of your argument.

[Anonymous No.4186521]

>>4186513
Blue.
Red.
FUCK CHOICE. GOD DAMMIT.

[Anonymous No.4186558]

There is free will but there is no agent. There is conditionality as well though.

[Anonymous No.4186580]

>>4186516
Someone took the blue pill.

[Anonymous No.4186598]

>>4186516
>There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005.
Red light, stop,
Green Light, go.
35 mph, three car lengths behind the next car
Cause and effect.

>the problem is choice