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4170912 No.4170912 [Reply] [Original]

If numbers are imaginary concepts, then why basis does it have over the "real" reality? If numbers only describe the reality that we perceive, then the reality we perceive is nothing more than imaginary concepts.

>> No.4170918

You don't know this for certain.

>> No.4170922

frodo stay away from my pipes!

>> No.4170925

>>4170918
The description I'm giving is also imaginary, thus I'm describing the imaginary reality as well.

>> No.4170932

Imagination is imaginary.

>> No.4170935

This is the 4th troll thread dealing with numbers within the last hour.
Is some samefag trying to make trouble?

>> No.4170938

>>4170935
No, this idea is derived separately. Not a samefag.

>> No.4170940

>>4170935
>This is the 4th troll thread dealing with numbers within the last hour.
You don't know this for certain.

>> No.4170942

>>4170940
Fuck you, I do know it for certain.
I've seen them.

>> No.4170944

>>4170935
GL neither believes nor disbelieves in trouble

>> No.4170947

>>4170942
Your eyes could have been fooled.

>> No.4170951

math exists from observation. The ideas of equality, repetition and a natural order are all observable.

>> No.4170954

Numbers are 2nd order quantifiers. They quantify predications, which in themselves are groupings we make of our own perceptions of the world.

>A number itself is not a 'concept' in the sense that it applies to any particular object.

You don't need numbers to spiral into idealism, but as nice an idea it is to ponder, it often spirals further into solipsism which is not very practical.
Read up on phenomenalism, at least conversations and arguments with others may then at least have some worth.

>> No.4170956

If words are just imaginary concepts, then what basis does logic have over the "real" reality?

Math is a language, a tool for communication, just like english.

>> No.4170958

Does this thread even exist? I cannot be certain.

>> No.4170965

>>4170958
It exists in imaginary reality.

>> No.4170969

>implying concepts must be imaginary

>> No.4170982

>>4170965

now we can be a family again.

>> No.4170986

>>4170956
Now you are confusing the symbols and notation we use to represent mathematics with mathematics itself.

Just like "dog" represents a physical meaning in any language, that is what numbers do, independent of our notation for representing them

>> No.4171018

>>4171015
so god exists?

>> No.4171015

>>4170986
When you write numbers backwards, they are still numbers which implies they have physical meaning. Thus writing "dog" backwards also refers to a physical meaning.

>> No.4171035

>>4171018
We don't know this for certain.

But yes.

>> No.4171040

>>4170986
The symbols and notation ARE mathematics. Mathmeticians think math is "discovered", its not, its created. Math is not a characteristic of the universe, its a language we created and use to describe and predict behavior.

>> No.4171046

>>4171015
Don't confuse meaning with reference (or any other semantic ambiguity).

You run into Russell's problem:
'What is the truth value of, "the current King of France is bald."?'

>> No.4173457

Answer: Read Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and essentially everything by Nietzsche and debate that instead.

>> No.4173465

>>4170912

making things more complicated than they really are is sooo 2011..