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>2011
>having any religious stance other than agnosticism

ISH...

>> No.4137034

yup.

>> No.4137037

>>4137028
Don'tWorry-IDDT

>> No.4137044

Theist: I believe there's a god
Atheist: I believe there's no god
Agnostic: HURR U CANT KNOW!

>> No.4137047

> agnostic

> too pussy to say there is no god because what if there is and he gets mad at me

>> No.4137051

>>4137044
surely you meant: Atheist: I don't believe there is a god

>> No.4137052

>>4137051
that's the same thing you troll, antisage

>> No.4137053

>>4137051
Same thing, different wording.

>> No.4137058

>>4137047
If there is one, you're as fucked as any agnostic.

>> No.4137061 [DELETED] 

>>4137058
wut

>> No.4137062

>>4137044
>blind faith and belief in something you can't prove.
>blind faith and belief
>blind faith

2011 ISHYGDDT - some of us are better than that.

>> No.4137066

>>4137062
there is no faith that is not blind, shut the fuck up already and delete this thread

>> No.4137073
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4137073

>Implying agnosticism is a religious view, rather than gnoseological

>> No.4137080

>gnoseological
fkn saved

>> No.4137097

>>4137058
Simple: If there does turn out to be a god, atheists are in as much trouble as agnostics.

>> No.4137119

>Rational person
You have to be rational because rational is the only way to be ration because its only rational to think that way.

>Faith person
Faith is the only logical position given that logic requires faith.

>> No.4137121

>>4137097
nice paraphrase

>> No.4137125

>>4137097
No we're not. Don't you suppose God would have more respect for those who stand up to and question his existence than those who kneel before him slavishly?

>> No.4137129

>>4137125
no? duh

>> No.4137134

>>4137125
No. Imagine you owned slaves. Who would you have more respect for:

- The slaves you owned that did everything you asked without question, took care of all your belongings, worshiped you, loved you, and never harmed you or stole from you.

OR

- The slaves you owned that always tried to escape, defy you, disrespect you, and pretend that you were nothing to them.

>> No.4137140

>>4137125
>>4137129
>>4137134
It's equally possible that Christians are all cast into Hell and only atheists are taken into Heaven.

tl;dr an infinite number of possibilities exist, all as likely as any other

>> No.4137145

>>4137140
Not all possibilities exist, especially the ones that are paradoxical. You're an idiot. You're going to the lake of fire regardless of your worldly views. God fuck up big time making you.

>> No.4137166

>>4137145
Why do you think atheists are atheists? Because we recognise that there's an infinite number of things that can happen to you after death. We could spend eternity with Willey Wonka swimming in a giant vat of chocolate for all anyone knows. My point being that we choose to suspend belief until some satisfactory proof materialises.

>> No.4137176

>>4137166
But there's only one thing that will happen to you after you die, not an infinite number of things. There is only one answer, and you've chosen to ignore it, for which you will pay greatly.

>> No.4137185

>>4137125
yeah, rebel against God. that always works out well.

>> No.4137187

>>4137134
i would adopt the former, and destroy the latter

God doesn't care if you are free or a slave, so long as you know that He is God

>> No.4137199

>>4137028
>implying an agnostic can be a position that isn't theist or atheist

>> No.4137198

>>4137166
and if that proof comes too late to do you any good? what then?

>> No.4137206

>>4137198
So be it. I get shot tomorrow when I walk out onto the street, but I still live today like im not gonna get shot.

>> No.4137208

>>4137044
I'm agnostic. But it's not out of fear or doubt. I'm very certain of my views. They are quite simply this: It is possible that a god or gods exist, but I can not and will not proof or know this in my lifetime. It is also possible that no gods exist. The latter is infinitely more likely to me. But it cannot be proven. I like science, because you make assumptions based on probability and come to conclusions that are very likely to be true. What you don't do is say herp derp derp i used my giant atheist brain and decided god probably doesnt exist so i proved it so you're all cunts.

>> No.4137212

>>4137176
Depending on what happens (keeping in mind that there are infinite possibilities), you might not pay at all.

>> No.4137214

>>4137208
you're not believing in god. You're an atheist. :)

>> No.4137218

>>4137212
Keeping out of your mind all the self-delusions you use to console yourself, you will stay pay when the one thing that ultimately always happens to everyone upon death, happens to you, too.

>> No.4137222

>>4137218
>implying you know what happens after death

>> No.4137227

>>4137206
so, your plan is to procrastinate

>> No.4137235

>>4137044
>>4137052
>>4137053
One implies you hold a belief, the other implies you lack a belief. They're distinct.

>> No.4137236

>>4137222
We all do.

>> No.4137243

>>4137235
there is a distinction without a difference; both atheists and agnostics fail to recognize the truth, and without that knowledge, you are damned

>> No.4137249

>>4137236
No we don't. Unless you've been dead and come back, you can't. Hence we atheists choose to suspend belief pending evidence.

>> No.4137250

>>4137227
We all are. it's all we can do. No matter how much you convince yourself otherwise.

>> No.4137254

>>4137249
someone did die, and come back, which is why i am a christian

that's kind of the whole point

>> No.4137256

>>4137249
Yah we do, brah. You're just tunin' it out, brah.

>> No.4137259

>ISH...

You don't continue thinking Agnosticism isn't a veil for those afraid of Atheism's baggage? I sure hope that, as well.

>> No.4137261

>>4137254
>someone did die, and come back

Yeah that's kinda of what the *belief* part is about. Belief does not imply truth. While you believe one thing, anything else could be true.

>> No.4137262

>>4137250
i don't have to convince myself of a single, solitary thing. my future is set in stone more solid than this universe. my salvation is conditioned upon God and God alone, and by His mercy and His grace, i am saved. i didn't deserve it, don't deserve it, and indeed, if i got what i deserved, would be damned.

Jesus is the author and finisher of my salvation, which is why i can proclaim that He is God, and that i am His

>> No.4137267

>>4137262
>i don't have to convince myself of a single, solitary thing.

Then you're not interested in self-improvement or self-criticism. Good day.

>> No.4137269

>>4137261
a man claiming to be the Son of God died, and rose again from His grave, on the third day, and was seen by thousands of people, the very same people who witnessed His execution. His resurrection changed the world. it is true whether or not i believe in it; it is true whether or not i was ever born.

>> No.4137271

>>4137261
> While you believe one thing, anything else could be true.

Not if you believe in the only truth.

>> No.4137277

>>4137271
you don't know. you can't know

>>4137269
>People say it. Therefore it's true.

yeah there's nothing wrong with that line of reasoning...