Traveling the word with Hot Air Balloon house

[Anonymous No.4075667]

I want to create/purchase/modify a hot air balloon and make it a pretty livable house, and then travel the world using it and living in it.

Is this possible? How could I do it? Any designs? How much money? Is it feasible/viable? Where could I stop and land for supplies and such, what about the legalities?

One big balloon or a cluster? A small cubicle or rooms? How could I control it and such, would it even be possible to navigate back home?

I've seen people do house balloon things but that's only with clusters, and you cannot really control where you go but I don't know what would be best.

[Anonymous No.4075678]

I think everyone has dreamed about that at some point.

Maybe when vacuum filled graphene spheres become a reality.

[Anonymous No.4075681]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitling_Orbiter_3
Will this do?

[Anonymous No.4075686]

>>4075678
>Implying vaccuum airships will ever surpass the payload ratios of gas-filled envelopes

[Anonymous No.4075694]

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-lifting-house-balloons

[Anonymous No.4075705]

>>4075681

> Solar panels suspended beneath the gondola recharged the onboard lead-acid batteries that provided electrical power. Satellite-based systems enabled the crew to navigate via GPS as well as communicate.

Yes. YES! THIS WILL DO

Actually, that doesn't seem so comfortable, It seems like they did everything just to scrape by and go around the world, I'd gladly sacrifice knowing where I'm heading for more comfort and space and heating and etc etc.

[Anonymous No.4075731]

Bring a parachute, so you're not completely fucked if you run out of food, water, oxygen, too cold, going to far etc.

[Anonymous No.4075787]

OP, I'll come with

[Anonymous No.4075798]

>>4075705
>>4075667
JUST BUILD A FUCKING BLIMP.

Why do we put up with this crap?

I don't know how hard it is to actually research this shit so you idiots know what the fuck you're talking about

[Anonymous No.4075814]

>>4075798
Balloons (well, helium/hydrogen and Roziere balloons, anyways) have a higher payload fraction, are cheaper, have much simpler structural/aerodynamic constraints, etc.

A blimp is not the ideal solution here. Even with a very large balloon flying at low altitude, you will be hard-pressed to meet your weight limitations with anything resembling a house.

[Anonymous No.4076461]

>>4075814
>>4075814

this

[Anonymous No.4076481]

Do a comprise and make an inflatable house.

[Anonymous No.4076486]

Balloons can't lift up hundreds of tonnes of concrete.

[Anonymous No.4076500]

>>4076486
Ever heard of a Cloud 9?
It's a city inside a giant Buck Fuller sphere filled with air at least 1 degree warmer than the surroundings that floats in the air.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_nine_(Tensegrity_sphere)

that being said balloons have good volumetric scaling laws.

[Nuka-Cola !dbLFTRZqOI No.4076502]

>>4076500
i'm not one for crazy projects, but i kind of want to try something like this on a small scale, just to see how much lift i could get in a large volume using a high temperature heating element

[Anonymous No.4076509]

>>4076502
Not more than 1.25 kg/m^3.

[Nuka-Cola !dbLFTRZqOI No.4076515]

>>4076509
guess i'll need a big ass air pocket for the heating element
or just make it black and use solar power
or both

[Anonymous No.4076518]

>>4076515
>or just make it black and use solar power
Been done many times.

[Lunatic !!IE/X7lbCDOY No.4076526]

>>4076502
>>Heating element
Forgot to put that cloud 9s are passively heated by the sun. They're giant solar thermal airships.

As far ae making one goes find some garbage bags ~ 16 um thick or less. Tape and cut into surface area minimizing shapes, fill with air and watch it shoot up into the air.

It's quite easy to make big ones, just need garbage bags, a large flat space, and time.

Also, airships don't scale down very well.

[Nuka-Cola !dbLFTRZqOI No.4076525]

>>4076518
yes, i believe there are little kits to do this?
i'm just saying it might be fun to push the boundaries with a heating element suspended in the center, just to see if, say, 150 degrees above ambient temperature will allow significant buoyancy.

but then again i know absolutely nothing about these things so i'd probably just be using experiments to confirm a few easy-to-use equations that were developed decades or centuries ago

[Anonymous No.4076536]

>>4075667

I imagine the FAA (or whatever local authority you have if you aren't in America) will have quite a bit to say about your balloon house.

[Anonymous No.4076541]

>>4076525
>150 degrees above ambient
Using air, this would provide about 0.4 kg/m^3 of lift at sea-level in standard conditions, presuming you mean celsius steam would offer somewhat more, and hydrogen/helium even more, but no matter what gas you use, you are inherently limited by the density of ambient air (which is typically 1.2 kg/m^3). This stuff is actually rather easy to calculate.

[Lunatic !!IE/X7lbCDOY No.4076547]

y>>4076525
>>150 deg above ambient
check out steam balloons:
http://flyingkettle.com/
pic related

As far as designing goes you can calculate surface areas and use wolfram alpha to look up air densities right?

Also, just from some in head calculations, think you're going to have trouble making an electrically heated free airship. If you have a tether that's a different story.

[Anonymous No.4076557]

>>4076526
>Also, airships don't scale down very well.
What? Sure they do.

[Dino-Fag; Already on the floor No.4076563]

>>4076557
consider how much helium is in that thing, and how little that gondola weighs

[Anonymous No.4076579]

>>4076563
The same proportion applies to full-sized airships. Air density doesn't magically increase as you scale things up. The Hindenburg was almost as long as the Titanic, yet there are even helicopters now that have a greater useful lift capacity than it did.

[Lunatic !!IE/X7lbCDOY No.4076582]

>>4076557
As you scale down your surface area to volume ratio increases. More surface area per unit volume means more envelope weight per volume of lifting gas which means less lifting capacity.

[Anonymous No.4076601]

>>4075667
>Where could I stop and land for supplies and such

Where ever. It's a balloon.

[Anonymous No.4076613]

>>4076582
Doesn't matter. A blimp must still hold a certain amount of positive pressure to maintain shape, and the envelope must get thicker (and heavier) as you scale up as well to maintain this pressure.

[Anonymous No.4076633]

>>4076613
Not when you have a zero pressure balloon

[Anonymous No.4076643]

>>4076633
"zero" pressure still isn't truly zero pressure, due to pressure gradients presented simply due to aerostatic lift. The relationship still applies, though the threshold at which these pressure stresses surpass those of general handling is much higher.

Also, good luck making an airship out of one.

[Anonymous No.4076664]

>>4076643
>>4076643
Hot air balloons are for all intents and purposes zero pressure airship

though I do wonder if pressure necessary to maintain shape does indeed scale linearly.

[Anonymous No.4076672]

>>4076664
Also, is a zeppelin not a zero pressure airship?

[Anonymous No.4076829]

>>4076664
There is still stress in the envelope, and for all intents and purposes it is still directly proportional to the amount of buoyancy/weight you are using. You can't just "get around it" by using the square-cube law, except at small scales where handling becomes a bigger issue than flight stresses (due to that factor sort of necessitating a constant bare-minimum envelope thickness).
>>4076672
That's a slightly different story, and it follows the scalability laws of rigid aircraft more than that of inflatable airships... but ultimately it still ends up showing almost benefit from the square-cube law. Additionally, they have much poorer payload-fractions than that of their soft inflatable counterparts.

[Anonymous No.4076849]

What are you going to do when there's a storm or high winds?

[Anonymous No.4076880]

>>4075667
You'd need an immense amount of fuel. Hot air balloon trips are usually really short for a couple reasons, one of them being that they burn fuel like ass-hats.

If you're lifting living quarters with this thing, instead of just a wicker basket..

Plus you really wouldn't be able to balance that weight easily with temperature. You'd have to be operating on some kind of crazy-ass alien jet-engine technology.

[Anonymous No.4076881]

>>4076849
JUST GO WITH THE FLOW, MAN. IT'S ALL GOOD.

[Anonymous No.4076885]

>>4076880
>You'd need an immense amount of fuel. Hot air balloon trips are usually really short for a couple reasons, one of them being that they burn fuel like ass-hats.
I don't think it's that they burn so much fuel, so much as that they don't carry much in the first place. Also, they usually have to be on the ground before the afternoon winds pick up.

But using a Roziere balloon should resolve that problem rather nicely, as well as helping significantly with the issue of lift capacity.