Any non-prescription drugs like Vyvanse? Vyvanse made my speech much much much more fluent and made it easier to connect and talk with people.

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Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:35:06 2011 No.4074729 [Reply] [Original]

Any non-prescription drugs like Vyvanse?

Vyvanse made my speech much much much more fluent and made it easier to connect and talk with people.

>>	Sage goes in one field Sun Nov 27 17:37:10 2011 No.4074733 Meth

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:37:15 2011 No.4074736 >>4074729 Is that oral lube?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:39:23 2011 No.4074740 File: 20 KB, 289x287, placebo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4074729 Why does no one know about Placebos, in this day and age. Son, I am disappoint.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:40:34 2011 No.4074744 >>4074740 It's definitely not a placebo. I took it the first time without knowing the effects of it. Shit felt like a very mild but no-downside version of adderall first time I took it. However, I stopped after the first week since it stopped working.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:43:55 2011 No.4074757 im seriously considering trying piracetam, but many report that the effects stop working after like 2-3 weeks

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:44:08 2011 No.4074763 >>4074757 Stopped working after a week for me.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:46:14 2011 No.4074764

Piracetam is pretty much as effective as fish oil, but with more side-effects. I tried it for a while and it impaired my memory and wide-recollection. I browsed through pubmed to find evidence of its supposed effectiveness, but there really are mixed results. Mixed doesn't mean good. It's most effective on rodents, but doesn't seem improve human cognition.

Don't waste your money on it. There's a lot of hype about Piracetam, but it's mostly people who have enormous powers of self suggestion. They would get the same results from calcium tablets...

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:47:21 2011 No.4074770 >>4074763 how the fuck can it just stop working? maybe its still working, but you just dont appreciate the effects as much as you did when you first used it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:47:21 2011 No.4074772 >>4074764 *word recollection Fucking mobile phone

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:48:28 2011 No.4074776 >>4074764 >piracetam >side effects Choose one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:48:28 2011 No.4074777 >>4074764 so are there any nootropics that actually work long term? or is it all just a bunch of bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:50:50 2011 No.4074783 >>4074776 >piracetam >placebo Choose one, and you chose the other.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:51:56 2011 No.4074785 >>4074783 Just cause it didn't work for you doesn't mean it's a placebo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:52:02 2011 No.4074794 >>4074785 ,,...what? Isn't that the generally accepted definition of a placebo?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:54:07 2011 No.4074799

>>4074777

Is placebo bullshit?

There is very little evidence of it working on humans for other purposes than a form of epilepsy despite being known for many decades now. Many studies find it has 0 effect on cognition and the studies where there appears to be some positive effect are tiny and apparently aren't up to all modern standards (the older studies).

So yea it's bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:57:36 2011 No.4074807 >>4074785 I offer anecdotal evidence only, so you may interpret it as you will. However, you can't refute the objective evidence of its effects (or lack thereof).

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:58:50 2011 No.4074819

>>4074799

I noticed strong effects from pramiracetam but Piracetam either is supposed to have a long-term effect or it doesn't work on me. But from user ancedotes, it seems to work stronger on other people than others which might be as you said, power of suggestion. But my own usage of pramiracetam has definitely increased my focus, motivation, and mental energy.

Expensive as fuck though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 17:59:50 2011 No.4074822 >>4074729 >Vyvanse made my speech much much much more fluent and made it easier to connect and talk with people. Where can I get this?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:06:39 2011 No.4074845

>>4074819

I don't know about pramiracetam, but the other racetams like piracetam seem all a bit...meh.

I use mph daily to treat my add and it's just on another planet in terms of effectiveness. Even a cynical btard like me can't deny its power. I've also taken modafinil and that too is really effective. You can stay awake on it for a week, though I slept very well while on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:11:10 2011 No.4074862 >>4074822 from the amphetamine shop

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:23:44 2011 No.4074909 only drugs which actually help concentration / intelligence / learning are amphetamines these can only be gotten if you are stupid or have ADHD what a fucking catch 22 also more then half of students in med school use amphetamines illegally

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:30:34 2011 No.4074942 >>4074909 >also more then half of students in med school use amphetamines illegally I've heard this as an urban legend, but I have yet to see it at my (pretty competitive) school.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:31:34 2011 No.4074945

>>4074909
They need to inject some chemical with a long half life in with vyvanse and drug test med school students for illicit use. I'm serious. These are our future doctors and I want them held liable for anything they ever do wrong in life. Plus they're always fucking pricks.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:34:55 2011 No.4074967

>>4074942
talking with people at med schools (here and in germany) it's pretty common. maybe not 50% but sizeable

>>4074945
You actually are smarter on amphetmaines. (Well, you're more concentrated which is an aspect of intelligence and learning)

I think it's a good thing - the only bad part is that not everyone has equal access to it

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:35:04 2011 No.4074973 >>4074942 it's most likely an excuse drug addicts/sci/ uses to convince themselves tthat the risk is worth taking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:37:12 2011 No.4074979 File: 100 KB, 461x683, paul-erdos.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4074973 >not using amphetamine to be the best you can be typical intellectual drug user.jpg

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:44:01 2011 No.4075007

>>4074979
>using rumors and innuendos to confirm your risk taking choices

Stay classy /sci/ and don't worry about your lack of scientific explanation for your personal choices.

Remember, science should only be conducted on other subjects, not yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:46:27 2011 No.4075023 i wish i had access to amphetamines :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:48:32 2011 No.4075030 >>4075023 >>4074822 You can get them from certain online indian pharms but be prepared to pay out the ass for them lol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:49:41 2011 No.4075031 >>4075007 Are you disputing the fact that adderall / Vyvanse directly result in the ability to focus & concentrate, and thus result in better learning?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:49:41 2011 No.4075035 >non-prescription drugs >drugs that work Pick one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:50:50 2011 No.4075041 >>4075030 Why can't you post the url? how much are we talking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:52:05 2011 No.4075054 >>4075007 the only downside to amps is possibility of addiction and possibility of cardiovascular damage properly used neither will occur

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:54:18 2011 No.4075063

>>4075031
>Are you disputing the fact that adderall / Vyvanse directly result in the ability to focus & concentrate, and thus result in better learning?

It depends on the person. It's normal effect is to induce ADHD in non-ADHD people. I've experienced this first hand.

In ADHD people, it somehow increases their ability to concentrate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:54:18 2011 No.4075062 >>4075041 Like $60 for 30 x 10mg and $360 for 360 x 10mg. ($2 a pill down to $1 a pill)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:58:45 2011 No.4075081 >>4075062 that's EXTREMELY cheap. i was thinking at least 1000$ for a years supply

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 18:59:51 2011 No.4075086 >>4075081 ah nevermind - didn't see the dosage. is that vyvanse or adderall?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:04:26 2011 No.4075102 >>4075054 >onlyl downside ... >if properly used... >Addiction... Stay irrational /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:07:50 2011 No.4075123 >>4075063 Wait.. so does this mean that if you don't have add/adhd when you take it then you will act hyper and shit? Cause when I took it, I felt really chill and I could focus. Does that mean I might have add/adhd?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:08:57 2011 No.4075128

>>4075063

Because in ADHD, the dopamine in the brain is absorbed faster, and there is also less blood flow throughout certain areas of the brain. What the ADHD amphetamines do is slow down the reabsorbtion of the dopamine (it acts as what is called a 'dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor'). it also increase blood flow, and thus brain activity in the desired parts of the brain.

Now, I don't know how it induces ADHD symptoms in non-ADHD people though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:38:33 2011 No.4075252 >>4075123 bump for answer

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 19:46:24 2011 No.4075273 >implying add/adhd is real

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:09:08 2011 No.4075336 File: 105 KB, 1024x685, 1321066011916.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bump

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:20:25 2011 No.4075381 So if you take adderall or vyvanse and it works... does that mean you have add or adhd? I felt very mellow and in the zone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:33:58 2011 No.4075423 File: 57 KB, 474x604, 1322181296976.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4075128 >thinks adhd is a real disease

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:33:58 2011 No.4075420 anyone know where u can get this stuff online or tor?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:37:19 2011 No.4075433 >>4075063 >In ADHD people, it somehow increases their ability to concentrate. Stimulants STIMULATE, amphetamine increases concentration in everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:39:38 2011 No.4075442 >>4075336 I can't for the life of me remember her name. Anyone help?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:46:32 2011 No.4075453

>>4075128
ampheytamines are not dopamine or norepinephrine in hibitors and you are wrong about what they do they inhibit reuptake which means that the dopamine sticks around longer before being reabsorbed so as more dopamine is released you have more stuck to receptors than you normally would
>>4075123
>>4075063
063 is an idiot hes probably underage b& who tried adderall and acting like an idiot because hes 12 years old amphetamines increase concentration in EVERYONE

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:48:40 2011 No.4075465 >>4075433 Right, that's why people smoking methamphetamine have a very easy time concentrating on anything. Because methamphetamine is a stimulant and stimulants stimulate, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:54:17 2011 No.4075479 >>4075453 He did say they were reuptake inhibitors you illiterate fuck. Time to get your ritalin from mommy and get off this board.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:55:29 2011 No.4075481

>>4075465
the meth horror stories you hear are about overdoses , over dose as in a very high dosage more than the daily recommended amount (for you because i know your knowledge of pharmaceuticals is completely fucked) methamphetamine is the same chemical as amphetamine but with a methyl group so its more easily dissolved in water which brings up its bioavailability and makes it easier to pass the blood brain barrier i dont feel like looking up the bioavailability of meth and speed so lets just say oral for ampethamine is 60% and oral meth is 90% that means you only need ~20mg of meth to equal 30mg of speed (these numbers arent real) so its alot easier to get to the point where you are completely out of your mind

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 20:56:36 2011 No.4075487 >>4075479 yeah i know thats why i told him that they ARE NOT reuptake inhibitors you illiterate fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:01:16 2011 No.4075515 >>4075128 >>4075453 woops sorry for the explanation i read your comment and mixed it up with another one but amphetamines dont inhibit reuptake they just make your brain release more than it normally would like cocaine does

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:04:33 2011 No.4075528
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>>4075481
>>4075487
But they are. And if you had studied any real pharmacology beyond an internet meth cookbook, you'd know this.

Seriously dude, listen to yourself. You can't even write a coherent sentence.

You're the perfect example of why NOT to use drugs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:08:04 2011 No.4075541 File: 64 KB, 800x558, 1320814773546.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4075465 Right, meth addicts disassemble household electronics because it decreases concentration.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:11:20 2011 No.4075546

>>4075528
do you realize that picture proves me right?
they put amphetamine under a bold title of AMPHETAMINE LIKE which they explain in the first paragraph as the classification of amphetamines that DO NOT inhibit reuptake but rather "enter the sympathetic nerve ending and displace the stored satecholamine transmitter" maybe you should stop trying to prove a pharmacist

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:12:35 2011 No.4075552 File: 137 KB, 888x1468, amphetamines2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4075546 Being a community college graduate with a meth lab in your basement doesn't make you a pharmacist. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:13:35 2011 No.4075555 >>4075546 prove a pharmacist wrong*

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:13:35 2011 No.4075557 >>4075541 I'm glad someone pointed out that everyones arguing about whether or not they should take meth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:14:45 2011 No.4075562 >>4075557 >>4075541 >>4075465 >not realizing the people who smoke meth are unintelligent feral animals of human beings erdos would have done just as many proofs on meth as he did on amphetmaines same way that hemingway and joyce were drunks

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:18:18 2011 No.4075580

>>4075552
there is a difference between a reuptake inhibitor and a drug that completely blocks reuptake a reuptake inhibitor reabsorbs a drug something like cocaine or amphetamine completely blocks reuptake which is the reason depression and anxiety are common side effects alot of drugs block reuptake of the transmitters they effect AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS CONSIDERED A REUPTAKE INHIBITOR

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:18:18 2011 No.4075581 >>4075562 Thou shalt not cite anecdotes as evidence of general outcomes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:21:28 2011 No.4075590 File: 51 KB, 915x486, amphetamine3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4075580 Maybe you should stop trying to argue with Katzung's Basic Principles of Pharmacology, Mr. Pharmacist. You aren't going to win.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:29:27 2011 No.4075616

>>4075590
maybe you should work on your reading comprehension that says it inhibits transport not reuptake
seriously this is getting old real fast if you are in school for this stuff i suggest going to your local pharmacy and asking the pharmacist or your teacher if it acts as a reuptake inhibitor you arent going to prove yourself right with pictures that are telling me things i already know and proving MY point more

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:30:57 2011 No.4075625 ITT: No references

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:37:24 2011 No.4075649

>>4075616
>inhibits transport not reuptake
>transport not reuptake

Haha, this clearly reveals that you has having no formal training in pharmacology whatsoever.

>asking the pharmacist or your teacher
>your teacher
>teacher

And this clearly shows you've never completed any education beyond high school.

>seriously this is getting old real fast if you are in school for this stuff i suggest going to your local pharmacy and asking the pharmacist or your teacher if it acts as a reuptake inhibitor you arent going to prove yourself right with pictures that are telling me things i already know and proving MY point more

And this long rambling sentence clearly shows it's time for you to put down the crack pipe before you smoke yourself any more retarded.

I'd love to stay here all day to play with you, but I can't waste any more time on this thread, so I'll let you get the last word in. Do your best to impress me.

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 21:48:44 2011 No.4075679

>>4075649

you somehow make yourself sound dumber and dumber everytime you post

english isnt my first language but somehow i understand it a whole lot better than you do

maybe you might have heard your teacher (because that is your professors profession) say dextroamphetamine acts as a reuptake inhibitor and got confused

bye bye sexii call me 6O9-385-8...496

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:05:44 2011 No.4075732 File: 40 KB, 500x375, meth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys, I just started Adderall 40mg (legit script from doc) and now this keeps happening. Wat do?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:07:01 2011 No.4075737 File: 24 KB, 333x500, methwebmontana.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4075649 >>mfw I received my pharmacological training on the streets, where it counts

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:11:34 2011 No.4075746 >>4075732 stock up on cookies

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:21:44 2011 No.4075760 >>4075649 haha there is so much TOLD in this post I almost shat myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:40:54 2011 No.4075803 I've got abour 40 5mg dexamphetamine tablets left after my exams. might just rail some and read wikipedia for 12 hours or something. LEARNING!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 22:49:58 2011 No.4075827 >>4075803 take them all and try to learn LISP won't regret it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 03:09:33 2011 No.4076523 I started an ADHD thread of /b/ once if anyone wants to read it. I asked people's ages, genders, and what their lives are like. It's pretty interesting. Also, so many trolls #_# http://www.mediafire.com/?2i4y4l1m40p8po4

Official nootropics power ranking Anonymous Mon Nov 28 03:22:01 2011 No.4076546
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GOD TIER
Cocaine

TOP TIER
Amphetamine (Adderall)
Methylphendiate (Ritalin)

MID TIER
Vyvanse
Ephedrine
DHA
Aricept

PLACEBO TIER
Piracetam
Other racetams
Ginkgo extract
All vitamins (they are good, but aren't nootropics)
All herbs (lol)

WHITE TRASH TIER
Methamphetamine

Anonymous Mon Nov 28 05:59:32 2011 No.4076848

ok.. lemme ask /sci/ this.. After reading this whole thread, whats going thru your mind?

Serious question.

I read the whole thing. Understood it (for the most part), Got what I needed from it (The bickering back and forth I will leave out since I couldnt quite tell who I should take as correct)

... but i just cant remember WTF i read.

so... A guy with ADHD just asked you if you can walk away from your computer and take what u just learned with you (and remember it after 5 minutes)?

BTW on concerta 36 Bumping up to the next higher dose soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 06:01:39 2011 No.4076852 shameless bump.. Trying to go to bed but i wanna know

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 06:25:28 2011 No.4076883 Fuck you /sci/ gnite

Anonymous Mon Nov 28 06:51:31 2011 No.4076909

>>4076546
>GOD TEIR: Cocaine

Haha you fucking moron

It goes like this:

God Tier: Methamphetamine,

High Tier: Amphetamine, Dextroamphetamine, Mephedrone, Lisdexamfetamine

Medium Tier: Ephedrine, Modafinil, Methylphenidate

Hilariously Expensive and Worthless Teir: Cocaine

Medium Teir

Anonymous Mon Nov 28 06:56:11 2011 No.4076913

>>4076909
I agree. Except I'd swap meth and amp if we're talking about study aid.
Meth's just too 'good' (I'm not saying it's a worthwhile drug, just a very euphoric one) to study on.

Also, for those interested in buying stims online, check out King of Pharma - they sell ritalin for reaosnable prices.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 07:01:44 2011 No.4076919 How is amphetamine better than dextroamphetamine?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 07:03:00 2011 No.4076927 >>4076919 It's not. In fact Adderall contains a mixed salt of both Amphetamine and Dextroamphetamine. Dexedrine is all Dextroamphetamine

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 07:07:24 2011 No.4076934 >>4076919 Nope, dex is the more potent stereoisomer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 07:12:04 2011 No.4076940 >>4076913 Have you ever tried a threshold dosage of meth? Perhaps it would be more appropriate of a study-aid if you took a more moderate amount.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 09:41:31 2011 No.4077083 >>4075649 transport is the neurotransmitter entering the synapses uptake is it leaving

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 28 09:53:00 2011 No.4077102 File: 29 KB, 396x400, 2093_1273102265554.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4077083 Reuptake is just retrograde transport.

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