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Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:24:52 2011 No.4067022 [Reply] [Original]

>Principal of Locality

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:25:58 2011 No.4067024 File: 30 KB, 492x341, men-women-laugh-out-loud-01-af.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >quantum gravity

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:26:07 2011 No.4067027 File: 42 KB, 250x250, 1449686-1249214_what_the_fuck_am_i_reading_super_super.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >higgs mechanism

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:26:07 2011 No.4067030 File: 14 KB, 350x263, ,L-I-263862-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ftl neutrinos >real

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:27:13 2011 No.4067031 File: 51 KB, 361x354, 59595995.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >biology envy

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:27:13 2011 No.4067032 File: 12 KB, 251x251, 1313010077385s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >biology >hard science

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:28:25 2011 No.4067035 File: 6 KB, 320x240, 1322165059955.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >english majors >having a job or a life

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:29:30 2011 No.4067038 File: 89 KB, 660x480, 04 your argument is invalid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >string theory

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:31:39 2011 No.4067042 File: 17 KB, 251x251, 1322025525115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >holographic principle

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:32:46 2011 No.4067045 Why do people bash String Theory when Susskind is one of its founding fathers?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:40:44 2011 No.4067071 File: 3 KB, 251x216, fuckin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067042

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:51:02 2011 No.4067095 File: 22 KB, 300x257, haha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >determinism

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 17:53:19 2011 No.4067104 >>4067045 Because it hasn't made a single novel interesting prediction yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:01:15 2011 No.4067126 File: 19 KB, 212x200, Zauberfee[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >free energy

>>	Atwill !kelPcGZQlE Fri Nov 25 18:02:20 2011 No.4067131 File: 83 KB, 336x352, 742201.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067095 Don't cross that line, dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:04:29 2011 No.4067133 File: 3 KB, 126x117, 1318600804374s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >more than 3 spatial dimensions

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:05:38 2011 No.4067134 >>4067131 What line? Determinism has been disproved mang.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:06:53 2011 No.4067138 >>4067134 No. It has not. Basic description of Bell's inequalities http://www.stat.physik.uni-potsdam.de/~pikovsky/teaching/stud_seminar/Bell_EPR-1.pdf

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:07:53 2011 No.4067141 >>4067134 >Determinism has been disproved mang. full fucking retard.

>>	Atwill !kelPcGZQlE Fri Nov 25 18:08:03 2011 No.4067143 File: 41 KB, 312x330, vlcsnap-01010215.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067134 SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP

Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:11:25 2011 No.4067147

>>4067138
locality and hidden variable theories have nothing to do with determinism

the fact that a star a couple billion light years away has the potential to be entangled with us does not change that fact that elementary particles behave in deterministic fashion and do not 'decide for themselves' or undergo 'randomness' at the fundamental level.

free will does not exist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:15:49 2011 No.4067151 >>4067022 Oh my God, I can't believe I spelt "principle" wrong.

Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:17:07 2011 No.4067157

>>4067141
>>4067138
>>4067147

Implying that I ever said anything about "free will"

You're right, free will doesn't exist. That doesn't really make determinism true though. Statistical probabilities exist, but definite causality does not. You cannot determine by any means, even with that fantastical machine larger than the universe which knows the position and momentum of every particle in existence, the exact time it will take for a neutron to decay. It just doesn't work that way.

Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:18:15 2011 No.4067158

Motherfucking god.
Why people here are so stupid?

FREE WILL CAN'T EXIST IN ANY WAY.

Deterministic universe: you are preditermined, no free will
True Random universe: you are random, you dont have a free will, let a alone a will of any kind.

In other words, Determinism is closer to "free will" than non-deterministic universe.

Fucking deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:21:30 2011 No.4067163 Randomness doesnt cancel out determinism. Without determinism you wouldn't have physical laws of any kind. People always misinterpret physicists words. Uncertainty Principle, Entanglement doesnt have to do anything with determinism.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:23:45 2011 No.4067168 >>4067157 So, what you really mean is that hard determinism doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:24:57 2011 No.4067171 >>4067163 Statistical probability is NOT the same as randomness, and it DOES contradict determinism. You are the one misinterpreting words here.

Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:47:34 2011 No.4067236

>>4067147
>locality and hidden variable theories have nothing to do with determinism
Not entirely correct, but sure. Anyway, the point was the guy made an idiotic claim, and I attempted to link him to a source that would hopefully clear up any misunderstanding he had about quantum theory.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:50:59 2011 No.4067247 >>4067236 >Not entirely correct, but sure. how so? as stated previously, randomness/inability to measure does not imply that determinism is false.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 18:52:15 2011 No.4067260 >>4067171 >and it DOES contradict determinism no, it does not. does 'statistical probability' in actuality exist? it is a mathematical abstraction and tool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 19:00:11 2011 No.4067291 >>4067247 The universe may be deterministic with a hidden local variable system. Ergo, they're not entirely unrelated questions. You can have one without the other, of course.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 19:05:12 2011 No.4067308 >>4067291 how can hidden variables prove the existence of a deterministic universe? are you sure you know what local hidden variables are?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 25 19:14:45 2011 No.4067338 >>4067308 You need better reading comprehension, bro. I said that you can have one without the other, and thus hidden variables do not imply determinism.

Anonymous Sat Nov 26 04:05:08 2011 No.4068709

Is determinism related to: If I threw a ball into a chamber with no gravity and 1 billion balls, and let them bounce around for a thousand years. Then, I repeated the experiment with the exact same number/position balls and threw one in just like the first, same momentum, direction and all, and let those bounce around for a thousand years. Would the final placement of EVERY ball be the same? Why or why not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 26 04:07:23 2011 No.4068715 >Dean of Causality

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