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>> No.4049927

>Big Thinkers - Daniel Dennett
Isn't he the one who believes in free will?

>> No.4049939

>>4049927
Free will does exist in way or another.

>> No.4049951

>>4049939
in the non-free way?

>> No.4049969

>>4049922
>>4049951
its a illusion but still existing just in your head

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>>4049939
Here we go again...

>> No.4049992

>>4049975
Free will as magic superseding reality obviously doesn't exist. Defining it like this is the only way to define as not existing. This is unnecessary though. No one besides the free will denier uses this definition.

Free will as in the expression of choices within a causal or deterministic mechanism, definitely does exist and it is the only way to think of free will because it is the only reality we live in.

>> No.4050016

>>4049992
>No one besides the free will denier uses this definition.
Every single dualist uses precisely this definition. No need to lie just to lend an air of legitimacy to your otherwise completely argument-free position.

>Free Will totally does exist when defined as Not Free Will.
Go fuck yourself.

>> No.4050029

Determinism provides for probabilities in what you will choose.

Both determinism and free will exist.

>> No.4050050

>>4050029
At which point in the causal chain does free will kick in? Or more interestingly, *how* does it manifest? What does the "free will" mechanism and decision-making process actually entail?

>> No.4050143

>>4049992
>I have to listen to this bullshit?
Look, I see where you are coming from. It's perfectly healthy to pretend to have free will, even to go as far as assigning moral responsibility to others; but it is just as healthy to not pretend. That being said, I cannot imagine a valid, acceptable, coherent definition of free will that is possible. Under what circumstances could you possibly, honestly say that "I could have done otherwise." If you were to have done otherwise, you would have to go back and do otherwise. But if you went back and did otherwise, you would have no way of being able to do what you initially did. So you may go back to when you decided to go back, but decide not to go back. Same situation. You may argue that you did do otherwise in another world, in another hypothetical. But the you in this hypothetical is not you. The you that you are clearly made one choice, and the other you, distinct from yourself, made another. Neither is free insofar as neither could have done otherwise; neither could be the other.