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Why do people like doctors and engineers on average make much more money than people who are clearly more intelligent and talented? Like physicists and chemists.

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>> No.3994262

Define intelligent. And elaborate the context of this definition.

>> No.3994265

no one wants to pay someone to sit back and be smart

people pay money to get shit done now

>> No.3994269

>>3994262
>responding to the most obvious of trolls in a serious manner

Intelligent certainly isn't you.

>> No.3994270

>>3994265

>> No.3994267

scientists are only book smart, they know the material but don't know how to do anything with it because they are all nerds without actual street smarts

Engineers, however, are street smart and know how to use their knowledge, so they make more money

>> No.3994273

Because they actually solve problems that help people rather than just sit in labs experimenting about bullshit that furthers our understanding of the universe but has no effect on the wellbeing of society.

>> No.3994277

If doctors are so fucking intelligent, when why are they so susceptible to drug and alcohol addiction? Even the more limited definitions of "intelligent" exclude addicts.

>> No.3994286

Because scientists and stuff don't do anything more than pursue intelligent hobbies.
There's not enough demand for the stuff they do.
They are only really good for teaching people to apply their knowledge, or for research which can further be taught to be applied.
Even just a couple hundred years ago, all the chemists/physicists/mathematicians were either:
1. People so rich that they had nothing else to do or the money to buy books and study all day because they didn't have to work (Cavendish, Newton)
2. So poor but smart that they had nothing to do but study (George Green, Ramanujan)

In either case, BEING a scientist made them no money at all. And why should it? Who do you expect to get money from for doing science?

Think about it.

>> No.3994290

>>3994277
They get stressed out from removing hamsters out of the asses of brilliant people like you.

>> No.3994297

>>3994286
>Who do you expect to get money from for doing science?

>Ph.D in Math
>300k starting
>any bitch I want

>> No.3994299

>>3994286

weapons research for the gubmint

>> No.3994301

zs is the absolute worst shit i have ever "discovered" because of /mu/

>> No.3994302

>>3994277
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201010/why-intelligent-people-use-
more-drugs

>> No.3994303

>implying a chemist is more educated than an engineer.

>> No.3994306

>>3994303

some with a bsc in chemistry is not a chemist

>> No.3994311

>>3994265
This is quite accurate, though it is a sad reality in our results-based society. Apparently understanding the world is not important.

>> No.3994313

I designed and informed my schools business center about a weapon. Three weeks later read about it in the paper. Funny I feel terrible about wish I hadn't done it.

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3994315

Why do people like athletes and actors on average make much more money than people who are clearly more intelligent and talented? Like scientists and engineers.

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>> No.3994318

>>3994297
Median annual wages of mathematicians were $95,150 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $71,430 and $119,480. The lowest 10 percent had earnings of less than $53,570, while the highest 10 percent earned more than $140,500.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos043.htm

>> No.3994327

>>3994315
Athletes and actors provide excitement and general entertainment to people from all walks of life.

If a scientist or engineer got on tv and started flapping their gums about something hardly anyone would care. (Unless it was two engineers doing a homosex porno)

>> No.3994328

>>3994315
Why do people like CEOs and stock investors on average make much more money than people who are clearly more talented? Like actors and musicians.

>> No.3994330

>>3994297
Math isn't science.

>>3994299
That's what I said.
SOME scientists get paid to research weapons or other things - but then, the people who design/build the weapons, manufacture & sell them always get paid more.

>> No.3994343

>>3994330
it definitely is

math: looking at numbers trying to find patterns
science: looking at numbers trying to find patterns

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>>3994313
"Science will save humanity!"
mfw when scientists like you build weapons

>> No.3994357

Practical skills pay more.

>> No.3994362

>>3994303
A chemist is DEFINITELY more educated than an engineer. A 30-second research could tell you that.

>> No.3994363

Why does Lindsey Lohan make more in 2011 for a single nude photoshoot in some magazine than doctors, engineers, physicists, chemists...janitors... earn annually? than people who actually contribute to society somehow through their jobs?

>> No.3994364

>>3994343

>Doesnt know what Science and Mathematics are.

Gtfo of my /sci/ you dirty peasant

>> No.3994369

>>3994343
math is not science

>> No.3994372

>>3994363
Economic models of supply and demand are the answer.

>> No.3994373

>>3994363

>Implying you guys need to stop arguing about which is the more worthy science when there are greater injustices at hand.

>also implying that arguing about which science is more noble or involves more education is illogical and achieves nothing.

>> No.3994376

>>3994369
>>3994364
please, then, define both mathematics and science for me

>> No.3994379

>>3994362
>get a ba in chem
>not a chemist
>get a ba in physics
>not a physicist
>get a ba in math
>not a mathematician

0/10

>> No.3994387

>>3994369
Yes it is. Mathematics is the scientific study of quantity, space, structure, and change.

>> No.3994392

>>3994372

so what you're saying is that people want naked Lindsey Lohan more than they want anything else in life that science has provided them including their shelter, food, clothing and healthcare?

That washed-up whore isn't even worth a $10 blow job and has just landed herself more jail time and I don't know about you but when she went nude for the movie Machete it was HORRIBLE and should never be repeated.

>> No.3994393

>>3994379

Titles like chemist and physicist are generally reserved for those who earn a Ph.D

Grad school determines if people are capable of contributing good, original research to their field, whereas undergrad studies determines not much other than the ability to read some books and learn.

>> No.3994396

>>3994379

this, a hundred times this!

>> No.3994416

>>3994379
>ba
>scientific subjects

0/10

>> No.3994738

Engineers get paid more than chemists, because they actually build shit and they're better at math.

>> No.3994748

the work of one is guaranteed to be more valuable or more in demand than the work of the other

>> No.3994769

Scientists tell the engineers what to do

>> No.3994771

Dude physical engineer and chemical engineering. Attach whatever science is going on add reality into the element call it engineering. Thats why. And guess what theoretical/pure ists do make good money when things have real world impact.

>> No.3994800

>>3994362
I'm a chemical engineer. I learn pretty much all the chemistry chemistry majors learn, minus Achem and some of the more advanced reactions in Ochem. While it would be easy for me to pick up a book and learn more complicated reaction mechanisms if I wanted to, most chemists have zero experience in process control or development, or industry scale-ups.. What I'm saying is that it is easier for a chemE to become a chemist than it is for a chemist to become a chemE

>> No.3994814

>>3994800
I would generally agree with this.

Assuming the engineer is competent and didn't get through college by simply memorizing, it wouldn't hard for an engineer to become as knowledgeable as a scientist in his/her field of engineering. This is especially evident in the professors of engineering courses in engineering universities. There's a lot of professors in my university that did engineering in undergrad and switched to something like physics or chemistry in grad.

I'm not sure if the same can be said about scientists.

>> No.3994821

>>3994259
because money is a real world entity, thus it makes sense that application is what makes it acquirable. Engineers make a lot of money because their studies are actually applicable, same for Computer Scientists. A mathematics major has more potential to be successful on wall street--yet instead it is filled with finance and applied economics majors because their work is actually applicable.

>> No.3994833

Values are easily distorted.

Advertising agrees, don't bother it about it.

/thread

>> No.3994851

>>3994814
>I'm not sure if the same can be said about scientists.

eh, ive met quite a few people who found out grad school wasn't for them doing post-bach engineering work

>> No.3994866

Engineering has a more immediate impact on society than science.

There are scientists making more than doctors or engineers, but they typically are in corporate research positions or running their own companies. Most scientists are not motivated strictly by money or the ease of coming into it (they would have chosen engineering if both of those factors came into play)

>> No.3994879

Because when it starts making money they call it engineering? Engineering is the effect of the cause of making money?

>> No.3994894

because they do something actually useful
stay mad pure math fags

>> No.3994891

So, no one has thought to mention the insurance policies that medical professional need?
To put it simply, it's a bit more than your car insurance.
Most engineers don't need such types of insurance, due to typically being part of a team and thus not individually responsible for something that may fail. Though I will add, they do have expenses of their own. Some professional programs costing several thousand a year to use, which typically gets added to their pay as a business expense, but is money they're not really making.