/sci/ - Science & Math

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3987717]

Daily reminder.

[GL !Bgpe2HycPk No.3987730]

What's that thing in the upper right corner?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3987731]

Optimism thread?
Optimism thread.

[Anonymous No.3987740]

Yes, I am in serious need of some optimism right now. Will keep an eye on this thread.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3987741]

>>3987730

RepRap.

[GL !Bgpe2HycPk No.3987754]

>>3987741
That's fucking interesting. Why wasn't there any thread about it on /sci/?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3987756]

>>3987754

Maybe you'll get some discussion out of /diy/, which seems to me would be more interested in open manufacturing than all the aspies in /sci/.

[GL !Bgpe2HycPk No.3987764]

>>3987756
I was on /diy/ in its first days and it seemed to become just another troll board.
Well now I'm gonna have to have a look at it again.

[Anonymous No.3987765]

Here's some emerging technologies.

[Anonymous No.3987768]

Are we now done with the optimism? Can I go back to hating?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3987770]

>>3987764

/diy/ doesn't seem like much of a troll board... It's just shipping containers and steampunk. It seemed pretty friendly.

[Anonymous No.3987790]

>>3987756
>>3987754
We've had some threads about the RepRap in the earlier days of /sci/.

When there was some vote for the best something-or-other, /sci/entists arranged to send a few hundred votes their way.

I think we forgot about the small awesome when the half-year wall of shit hit.

When it mostly passed, there has been so much large-scale awesome stuff to talk about that RepRap and others like it were sidelined.

I was going to start building one myself, but got into some months of trouble.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3988925]

Open manufacturing bump.

[Judge Fang No.3988983]

"Disperse ten, medium pattern" he said.

[Anonymous No.3989228]

You live to see tech singularity.
No homo.
Also a puzzle:
If 1 is like a coffee in the morning of dense stash of cash then how to brash the lash while you dash?

Possible answer:
-4
-station of ification (stationification)
-indefinite finite abyss
-i cc BP
-correct answer
-false premises
-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 (a chain of potatoes)
-darth invader
-i was i was two straight lines in a crooked world

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3989239]

>>3988983

>mfw

[Anonymous No.3989272]

>transparent diamond domes make vast natural landscapes possible undersea
>children born in subsea settlements who have known nothing but corridors and capsules suddenly running free across grassy hills dotted with flowers, climbing trees, flying kites under a flickering blue glow
>subsea becomes more lush and green than increasingly arid surface

[Anonymous No.3989302]

What I can't wait for is genetic engineering so all homosexuals are eliminated from humanity.

[Anonymous No.3989310]

Have you guys heard about the flawless diamonds coming out, that only cost $5 to make?

Shit is going to be cash.

[Blackman !medz1J/1Ok No.3989311]

>>3989302
>genetic engineering so all homosexuals are eliminated from humanity.
>genetic engineering so all homosexuals
>homosexuals
>genetic engineering
>homosexuals
>genetic engineering
>engineering
>all the homosexuals

[Anonymous No.3989314]

>>3989302
>Eliminate traps
I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.3989317]

>>3989272
>Mad Scientist
>Unlimited Hampture Works

[Anonymous No.3989325]

>>3989310
>deBeers bankruptcy is going to be so cash
FTFY

[Anonymous No.3989341]

So when do you think you'll be able to put your brain in a robot body? I wanna get in on those carbon nanotube muscles.

[Anonymous No.3989356]

>>3989302
So that we all look generic like you, brown haired, brown eyed, married to a bitch, and have children you don't even want to care for?

Yeah fuck your shit. Its cash to be gay and a pretty boy.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3989399]

>>3989317
Hamsters? With diamond dome technology we can achieve so much more. Think bigger, man! Ferrets, cats, even chimps someday!

[Anonymous No.3989406]

>>3989399
I can see this developing into a global abyssal war between uplifted small animals.

Let's do this thing.

[Anonymous No.3989411]

>>3989406
Why isn't Pixar making this exact movie RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.3989418]

>>3989411
Because they're busy making a movie about the OWS movement and mocking it with justice.

[Anonymous No.3989421]

YOU WERE BORN AT THE RIGHT TIME TO BE GRACED BY CARL SAGAN.

A daily reminder.

[Anonymous No.3989430]

>>3989411
Because it would be filled with feelgood moments and sympathetic characters and the ending would be touching and have some sort of moral lesson.

If you want furry animals going at it with weapons, check out short film Catshit One.

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujekAaoVVxY

[Zoologist !!d1rrJ+p+/nz No.3989463]

>>3987741
>mfw those machines are named after famous BIOLOGISTS

<3 CCM

>>3989325
I was under the impression that science could already manufacture flawless diamonds, but no one wants them, because the diamond industry has convinced everyone that it's the minor flaws in the diamonds that make them valuable. It's called cubic zirconia.
My friend's gf has told him she wants a man-made diamond, not an earth-made one, and she sent him to the wikipedia page for them.

>>3989399
Some day...
*manly tears*

[Anonymous No.3989464]

THORIUM IS THE FUTURE!
Or cold fusion...

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3989539]

Zyvex has patented the means to grow <span class="math">\it{atomically-precise}[/spoiler] Silicon crystals, layer by layer, using a scanning tunneling microscope. They're scaling it up to a million atoms per second.

>mfw

[Anonymous No.3989541]

>>3989463

>My friend's gf has told him she wants a man-made diamond, not an earth-made one, and she sent him to the wikipedia page for them.

Now THAT's progress right there.

[Zoologist !!d1rrJ+p+/nz No.3989554]

>>3989539

If you've got a decent citation, you could add it to their Wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyvex

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3989563]

>>3989554

Yeah, the Wiki page is pretty shit. The only subdivision that has a decent one is Zyvex Technologies, and there's no article at all on Zyvex Labs.

Time to get a Wikipedia account.

[Zoologist !!d1rrJ+p+/nz No.3989571]

>>3989563
Oh man, I can only imagine how you're going to improve the articles about undersea colonization. (Hint: there are none)
And "undersea colonization" redirects to Dennis Chamberland.

[Anonymous No.3989584]

Was I born in time to live in a virtual reality world where I am god?

[Anonymous No.3989593]

YOU WILL LIVE TO SEE THE DEATH OF RAY KURZWEIL

[Anonymous No.3989615]

>>3987765

>mfw I'm gonna live forever.

Suck it older generations!

[Anonymous No.3989618]

>>3989463
Pretty sure cubic zirconia is chemically different from diamond, due to the presence of zirconium. Besides, I would think a similar argument could be made saying that the flaws in industrial diamonds could make them valuable as well.

[Anonymous No.3989639]

>>3989539
>patented

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3989640]

>>3989571
>>3989571
That's because Dennis is a NASA veteran who founded an organization to establish the only undersea colony since Conshelf 2 in the sixties. Every other subsea facility has been a single cramped laboratory and not much else, although for a decade or so there were hundreds of them worldwide. Today only 4 remain in permanent use with Aquarius being the only one large enough to accommodate more than 2 people. There's sadly not much to write about except the temporary home built habs like biosub 1 and 2. Atlantica will change that in 2013 with a 4 man outpost (which I will be one of 152 to inhabit for 24 hours) in 25 feet of water as a prelude to a 16 person expandable colony hub to be sunk in 2015.

[Anonymous No.3989686]

>>3989463
>I was under the impression that science could already manufacture flawless diamonds, but no one wants them, because the diamond industry has convinced everyone that it's the minor flaws in the diamonds that make them valuable. It's called cubic zirconia.
Nope. Cubic zirconia are zircon. Diamonds are carbon. They have completely different physical properties.

>My friend's gf has told him she wants a man-made diamond, not an earth-made one, and she sent him to the wikipedia page for them.
I want to give your friend's gf a present.

[Anonymous No.3989716]

>implying i don't cry at night because of this

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3989734]

>>3989716
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-10-rejuvenated-stem-cells-coaxed-centenarian.html

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/drugs-may-let-us-live-to-150-20111016-1lrm5.html

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

http://www.ted.com/themes/might_you_live_a_great_deal_longer.html

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/07/sierra-sciences-working-towards.html

http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-biologists-yeast-cells-reverse-aging.html

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-dna-reverse-premature-aging.html

[Anonymous No.3989747]

>>3989639

Better than keeping it a company secret.

[Zoologist !!d1rrJ+p+/nz No.3989752]

>>3989686
>>3989618

Ahh. I see. Well, I guess that's kind of obvious. Still, though, if you search for artificial diamond, you're not necessarily going to expect that what comes up isn't going to be made of carbon, are you?

[Anonymous No.3989758]

>>3989716
fuck that shit I'm dedicating my life in pursuit of immortality

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3989790]

>>3989784
Use biological immortality to survive in good shape until transhumanism allows such an endeavor.

[Anonymous No.3989784]

>>3989716

>biological immortality

FUCK THAT

What if you could be a super powerful robot that can have your brain stimulated to feel like you're eating delicious food, or like you're having an hour long orgasm?

The way of the future.

[Anonymous No.3989793]

>>3989790
my gut is telling me transhumanism will come first

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3989827]

>>3989793
My wall of links says otherwise.
>>3989734

[Osiris No.3989872]

>>3987765
Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.3989873]

>>3989827
>>3989793


You guys are splitting hairs.

We are going to hit both nearly the same time... As soon as we can "upgrade" we will be immortal; Likewise, as soon as we become immortal, we will start designing upgrades.

Bio Immortality is the first step of Transhumanism: We will have beaten our limiters. Likewise, Transhumanism is the first step to Bio Immortality: We will need to become the Cliche "more than human" to become immortal

[Osiris No.3989888]

Transhumanism has already started.
Have you guys never heard of cochlear implants, prosthetic limbs and pacemakers?

[Anonymous No.3989900]

>>3989888
They Do not even fully restore natural function much less enhance it.

[mars No.3989910]

>>3989900
are you mentally disabled?

[Osiris No.3989914]

>>3989900
They still make you transhuman in that you could have your arm blown off and still be able to use a knife an fork.
Alternatively you could just have someone put some dead persons arms on you.

>The discovery that electrical stimulation in the auditory system can create a perception of sound occurred around 1790, when Alessandro Volta (the developer of the electric battery) placed metal rods in his own ears and connected them to a 50-volt circuit, experiencing a jolt and hearing a noise "like a thick boiling soup".
Fuck.. where did those people go?

[Anonymous No.3989919]

>Transhumanism's singularity = nerd's rapture
>mfw all of you are wishful-thinking closeted religious faggots

[Anonymous No.3989921]

There's too much unwarranted optimism in this thread. Time for a daily reminder of reality.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3989932]

>>3989921
Oh shut up RedCream.

[mars No.3989940]

>>3989921
I see a goldmine looking at this pic. Shame that FUCKING ASSHOLE US politicians have done nothing to combat this though.

[Athanasia !!V2kt52fS3o0 No.3989958]

>>3989919
>implying transhumanism is the same thing as Singularitarianism
>implying all rhombi are squares

[Anonymous No.3989972]

>>3989921
When you can't pray to jesus, you must pray for technology.

[Anonymous No.3989976]

>>3989921

No, we've had non-optimism in other threads already. Besides, it IS optimistic, it's showing the decline of oil supply as less steep than the rise.

[Anonymous No.3989982]

>>3989921
It's simple economic substitution. The more painful getting energy from oil is, the more incentive there is to adopt alternatives. This spurs even more investment and development of alternatives and after time we live in a new technological paradigm.

[Anonymous No.3989993]

>>3989982
It's simple logistics curves, the more people who demand oil and have no other means of production, being that they're poor, can't substitute expensive technology and kill you.

>It's simple economics.

[Anonymous No.3990000]

>>3989919
Some people simply observe the great achievements made by science and technology, and conclude even more progress can be made as more people and more resources (from globalization/growth) are invested into new technologies for problems. This provides hope for those who arrive at such an idea.

[Anonymous No.3990007]

>>3989993
Those who can afford the oil will also have the incentive to adopt more economical alternatives. Since there is vast and growing wealth in emerging economies like China, India etc. their significant demand for alternatives will propel investment and development as well.

[Anonymous No.3990012]

>>3990000
Most of them however turn it into a religion, and go around telling people that their religion is the right religion.

[Anonymous No.3990020]

>>3990007
No, it'll propel them to war over securing the cheapest source of oil/coal.

Economics doesn't have a right solution, because it's not math or science, it's applied sociology and political science.

The market is efficient only to the extent that efficiencies have non-unique solutions.

If killing half the world will solve the oil scarcity as well as switching to alternative fuels, the market has a 50/50 chance of doing either.

You're waving a magic wand, indistinguishable from magic.

[Anonymous No.3990019]

>>3990012
>Non_sequitur.jpg

It is within the realm of possibility for technology to reach a point where we live indefinitely from medical advancements and experience great material luxuries from automation of highly advanced manufacturing technology. Obviously nothing about the future is absolutely certain. But it seems like a laudable and worthwhile goal to pursue, at least from my perspective.

[Anonymous No.3990033]

Are you people seriously letting this same cut-rate troll derail yet another thread?

[Anonymous No.3990034]

>>3989982
You assume that viable alternatives even exist. There's no evidence that any of the alternative sources of energy being developed today are even scalable to match current oil consumption. Alternative energy is just a religion as much as Christianity is a religion.

[Johnny !fxX/jFc8nM No.3990043]

>>3990012
>>3990012
What is funny though is that majority of Apple products are made FIRST before other competitors start to copy and/or outright steal their ideas. (See iPhone & Android, iPod then Zune, etc.)

I do find those funny however.

[Anonymous No.3990044]

>>3990019
So uh, how many people are worth killing for this goal?

Just gimme a ballpark, 100k, 1m, 100m, 1bn.

kk thx

[Lunatic !!ExOSVaqYfl/ No.3990045]

>>3987717
Not so fast there Colonel, we don't even know if diamonoid mechanosynthesis is even possible. There's a lot of work that needs to be done to figure out if it's possible. This work involves simulations that use cpu-years of computational effort and incredibly tedious lab work.

As far as development goes, we're probably at the same level space exploration was before Goddard.

Bootstrapping is going to be difficult too. The necessary tooltips are incredibly reactive and have a finite lifetime in even the best vacuum we can attain.

Also, most nanotechnologist are INCREDIBLY against an opensource approach to nanotechnology. Even going so far as to erase the history of how nanotech was bootstrapped so people won't be able to build nanofactories without DRM. And DRM means you can't build anything on your own nanofactory without it getting approved by a nanofactory type app store.

Oh and not to mention said DRM cannot be cracked. PERIOD

If we don't do these experiments or accept nanofactories made by DRM-nazis, we could be in for a terrible future.

DO NOT WAIT FOR THE FUTURE, MAKE IT.

pic related.

[Anonymous No.3990050]

>>3990020
>the market has a 50/50 chance of doing either.

I don't think you understand probability.

The very fact that we discuss alternatives like LFTRs, solar, wind etc. are evidence that the market knows of possible solutions. Just look at when oil was reaching new highs before the Global Financial Crisis. Green technology and alternative energy stocks were taking off like crazy. Just look at the historical data on Google finance if you don't trust me.

Solutions exist. They simply require investment and deployment just like any technological infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.3990054]

>>3990044
You so silly.

[Anonymous No.3990070]

>>3990050
I don't think you understand the market.

The market only cares in so much that any choice reduces the current cost and future rewards.

The efficiency is a goal with arbitrary solutions.

Therefore, if the greatest efficiency is reached by killing 1 billion people fighting a war for the cheapest energy source, the market will choose that.

Obviously, in my scenario there were two equally efficient routes, in the real world, theres many more.

The point however is the same, the market does not care about your hippy motivations. If it can get away with blood diamonds or foxconn suicides in the pursuit of efficient market solutions, it will do so.

The market does not care for what you deem the efficient solution.

[Anonymous No.3990078]

>>3990070
Adopting alternative energies when oil becomes increasingly more expensive reduces their costs and thus increases their profit.

It's a purely self-interested choice. No hippy inclinations or lofty ideologies required.

[Anonymous No.3990094]

>>3990078
Convincing governments to secure dwindling supplies of energy also increases their profits without all that nagging R&D.

>two people can play this imaginary market efficiency game

[Anonymous No.3990106]

>>3990094
Conquest of securing oil is a very dramatic and ultimately temporary band-aid to the underlying problem. Eventually dwindling supplies will dwindle away and run out. Governments are largely rational organizations and see this problem. That's why many developed countries are transitioning/have transitioned to different sources of energy like Germany (solar), France (nuclear), Denmark (wind) etc.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.3990115]

Hey, colonel. I am now a Marine, viewing this from my iPhone(4s). Glad to see this thread on front page on my return.

[Anonymous No.3990124]

>>3990106
Shut up, we're not playing this imaginary game. We might as well argue about whether christian law is better than sharia law.

The market only cares about what it can get away with.

[Anonymous No.3990178]

seriously can't wait for sentient robots.

[Osiris No.3990192]

>>3990178
Please specify.
We already have humans.

[Anonymous No.3990220]

>>3990192
regular robot robots, not the human looking ones

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3990225]

>>3990115
I disapprove, simply because you're putting yourself in harm's way and have a real chance at missing out on the future if you get shot by durkas.

[Lunatic !!ExOSVaqYfl/ No.3990253]

Fuck it this thread's gotten off topic, let's talk about RepRap and Additive Manufacturing(AKA 3d printing).

Pic related, it's an Arcam Electron Beam Melting machine, it makes 3d parts out of FUCKING METAL!

Video related, it's how FUCKING METAL is raster-scanned into parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqa3TMxje14


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_beam_melting

[Anonymous No.3990444]

>>3990253
Shit, nigra, gimme one of those that doesn't have any problems with heating etc, and alot of materials to 'print', and I'll be rich in one year, and wealthy in 5.

Assuming it won't have some DRM, where I'd need to buy permission to print shit, and I'd need to DIY -_-

[Lunatic !!ExOSVaqYfl/ No.3990509]

>>3990444
Do you want to build parts with different materials in the same machine?

Most 3d printers support a wide range of a materials, you just have to change out the materials in the machine. Usually you have different colors, different plastics, strong plastics, flexible plastics, fire retardent plastics, 2-step metals, clear plastics, etc.

But if you want to print different materials in the same print you want an Objet. It's a 3d printer that can print in different materials, rigid, opaque, transparent, rubbery and mixtures there of. Which is pretty frickin' awesome Pic related was made on an Objet. Objet's are pretty expensive though.

Currently, I'm trying to get my boss to get one.
see how awesome they are here:
http://www.objet.com/Rapid-Prototyping-Applications/Connex_Applications_Overview/

[~ No.3990534]

>>3989686
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Synthetic_diamond

Diamonds have been manufacturable for around half a century. Modern techniques can create diamonds with as many or as few impurities as are desired.

I don't know about the cost of creation though. Maybe it's not commercially viable.

[Anonymous No.3990557]

>>3990509
Yeah, while printing one 'material' at once would be helluva useful for parts etc (I usually need ones just slightly different that are readily available.. *sigh), but I'd rather wait a bit so that I can get multi-material one, so I can do pretty much anything with it. Too much of a poorfag to afford one of these multi-material, though.

Oh well, in 2 years or so I'll probably save up for it, and the prices should go down a fair bit anyway.

[Lunatic !!ExOSVaqYfl/ No.3990558]

>>3989310
Well, if diamonoid mechanosynthesis works, diamonds could cost far less than $5. It's likely that if diamonoid mechanosynthesis works. Soda bottles will be made of diamond, with deliberately induced 'flaws' in it so said diamond bottle won't shatter. Now how's that for crystal pepsi?

[Lunatic !!ExOSVaqYfl/ No.3990577]

>>3990557
>>anything
just curious, what do you have in mind? You don't have to be richfag to make stuff on the machines. You can buy 3d printing service from companies that own the machines. Because of economies of scale it's a bit cheaper than owning one too.

>>Oh well, in 2 years or so I'll probably save up for it, and the prices should go down a fair bit anyway.
patents won't expire in two years.

Though, there are rumors of 'China - only' 3d printers that don't care about patent law...

[Anonymous No.3990609]

Well, Simion guy is at it again, but trying to be a bit more stealthy.

Anyways, I have high hopes. I was actually discussing with my grandfather about the mineral deposits located near geothermal vents. He used to believe that the rapture (he's pretty religious) is not too far away, but seems to slowly drifting away from that train of thought.

[Anonymous No.3990719]

>>3990557
Why not build yourself a RepRap?
The project is constantly improving, and they've recently been debating about how to build conductive structures.
http://reprap.org/wiki/File:Assembled-prusa-mendel.jpg

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991636]

Oh my God this thread.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991709]

>>3990045

See here: >>3989539

>>3990115

Boomer! You're here! I was getting worried already!

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991802]

'Ello Coffee.

Bumping interesting thread.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991820]

>>3991802

/sci/ OC time?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991834]

>>3991820

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991838]

>>3991834

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991840]

>>3991834

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991846]

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991847]

>>3991840

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991854]

[Anonymous No.3991855]

>>3987717
>>3991834
>>3991834
>>3991834
>>3991834
This makes me so sad.... I literally cannot believe it. Still hasn't sunk in...

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991860]

>>3991854

[Anonymous No.3991862]

>>3987717
THE HARDEST AGE KNOWN THE MAN!

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991874]

>>3991855
I'm thinking Zubrin's being a little paranoid. NASA's budget is getting downsized, which is a colossal tragedy in and of itself, but I doubt they'd scrap it. NASA has netted the US Treasury something like eight times more than all of NASA's funding ever, just off the profits of patents they hold.

Question, would having a really outspoken president in massive favor of increasing funding to science, infrastructure, education and healthcare (single-payer) and anti-war improve or fuck up America's economy? My notion is improve, but I'd like to hear any arguments.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991875]

>>3991854

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991877]

>>3991875

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991883]

>>3991875
Perhaps I should start making guides and infrographs again?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991886]

>>3991883
infographs*

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991887]

>>3991883

Again? You made infographics?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991896]

>>3991887

[Anonymous No.3991894]

>>3991874
lol at the idea of an outspoken science advocate making it into the senate in the US let alone the presidency

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991898]

>>3991896

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991902]

>>3991887
I once made an entire site dedicated to technology-related infographs for /g/, before /sci/ existed.

This is one of the older ones, but nowadays it just makes me cringe a little.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991908]

>>3991898

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3991916]

>>3991908

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3991924]

>>3991902

>This is one of the older ones, but nowadays it just makes me cringe a little.

Yeah, especially that part about... You know, everything.

[Anonymous No.3991927]

>>3991874
Considering the mining potential outside of our atmosphere, it could be great. However, aside from that I can't really see how it would help the economy. It just crushes me to think that they might stop funding. I grew up on Sagan and Arthur C Clarke. But I'm not an economist - honestly I don't know how it would affect the current situation.

Inurdaes, slightly unrelated, but your SteamGroup is up and running. Dunno what you wanted to do with it, if anything, but I'm there

[Anonymous No.3991994]

>>3991902

Inurdaes, I'm hoping that it bothers you that you can be so smart and yet totally miss the point.

The point is that once Humans reach a common presence in space, that there's no need to seek once again the shackles of gravity wells. O'Neill and his students properly concluded that planetary surfaces are not the optimal places for an expanding technological civilization.

When I was studying all that terraformation crap, I didn't realize that the major controller element was cheap petroleum. I understand all that now. Do you?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3992024]

>>3991994
>When I was studying all that terraformation crap, I didn't realize that the major controller element was cheap petroleum. I understand all that now. Do you?

Hello RedCream.

>O'Neill and his students properly concluded that planetary surfaces are not the optimal places for an expanding technological civilization.

It's not a zero-sum situation, we can convert asteroid mass into billions of rotating space habitats and have three extra terraformed garden worlds.

[Anonymous No.3992041]

>>3989302
If anything, I would like to be made bisexual and able to turn my sex drive off at will.

Fuck, let's make it pansexual. I don't want to be left behind when banging robots become the new hot stuff.

[Anonymous No.3992061]

>>3991994
>there's no need to seek once again the shackles of gravity wells
That's the point of limitless possibilities.
We won't be FORCED to live on planets.
We can CHOOSE to live on planets.

Also, as a planetary ecology is one of the most complex interconnected systems we know of, terraforming could come to be seen as a goal in itself.

For it to become a home for some types of people would be just a happy bonus.

[Anonymous No.3992085]

Hey CCM, I just recently found out that the CEO and founder of Zyvex was an alum at my university, and he donates shit loads of money to fund our nanotechnology department.

How does that make you feel?

[Anonymous No.3992091]

fuck biological immortality, i just want to upload myself into a robotic body. from there on... to the heat death of the universe!

> I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air. I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to - I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to - I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! I can experience so much more. But I'm trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3992093]

>>3992085

Pretty good. James Von Ehr seems like an awesome guy from what I've read and the interviews I've seen. I watched his talk at last year's Foresight Conference where he discussed the Piranha boat but didn't pay much attention, because I didn't know the magnitude of the work Zyvex was doing.

[Anonymous No.3992189]

>>3992061
> That's the point of limitless possibilities.

You won't have limitless possibilities. True, space does provide a vast amount of resources, but look at how fucking reluctant anyone is to actually go there and work for decades in the Big Empty.

We can imagine all we like. ECONOMICS is what ultimately determines what happens, and there's no compelling economics case for space. Our capitalists are only willing to do satellites (hence never requiring the leaving of Earth orbit), and our governments no longer have the money to pursue "expansion of the Human condition" (which was a just a LIE to begin with; it was all theater during the Cold War between Slavic capitalists and Euro-Western capitalists).

> We can CHOOSE to live on planets.

You won't be choosing to terraform compared to the much cheaper economics and time scales (i.e. economics) of habitats.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3992196]

>>3992189
Your trolling has to be far more subtle RedCream.

[Anonymous No.3992221]

>>3992189
>arguing semantics
>under-estimating technological progress
>lolitrollu.jpg
You don't say?

[Anonymous No.3992449]

>>3991896
>Deorbiting Phobos

expect complications

Q: What are Mars' moons?
A: Disguised bases.

http://www.cass.h1.ru/sessions/941007.html

[Anonymous No.3992881]

>>3991896
An in-spiraling trajectory would require a constant decelaration, doesn't it?

Not that that's an insurmountable obstacle.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.3992952]

>>3992881
The Phobos thing is just Inurdaes running gag. It will provide no benefit and cost tremendous energy and the loss of a natural sattelite.

But, for an in spiral, only a single sufficient burst to brake the stable orbit would be enough.

[Anonymous No.3992979]

>that feel when I have a passing interest in /sci/ence but come to /sci/ so I can get ideas of companies to invest into.

[Anonymous No.3992991]

>>3992979
LIke FliBe energy?
I would like to know who else.

[Anonymous No.3993005]

>>3992952
Sure, a sufficient burn would drop it straight down, but that would waste a whole lot of ΔV, not to mention shake off any loose stuff, causing a navigational hazard.

I'd think a lower-powered deceleration, possibly with mirrors and/or solar sails would be preferable, unless time was against the project.

[Anonymous No.3993012]

>>3992991
follow public money, that's all I'm going to say.

[Anonymous No.3993015]

>>3987765
that picture is so dated.

[Anonymous No.3993055]

>>3989716
more like born a too different species amirite

[Anonymous No.3993069]

>>3993012
What's 'public money' and how do i follow it?

[Anonymous No.3993167]

>>3993069
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending

(Follow lobbyists in Washington DC, the money they use to influence politicians towards R&D/investment can be used as a metric for the direction of innovation)

[Anonymous No.3993436]

>that feel when biological immortality will only be achievable by those with ungodly amounts of money

[Anonymous No.3993442]

>that feel when biological immortality will only be achieved by those with an ungodly amount of money and power

[Gilgamesh !!JNVkU2/omZB No.3993458]

>>3993442
>That feel when indoor plumbing will only be available to those with an ungodly amount of money and power
>That feel when a motor vehicle will only be available to those with an ungodly amount of money and power
>That feel when computers will only be available to those with an ungodly amount of money and power

Oh, wait.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993460]

>>3992952
>>3993436
>>3993442
>that feel when that's false and the free market which libertarians usually love to worship will lower the cost of the treatments to widen their customer base so pharmaceutical companies get the most profit possible

[Anonymous No.3993462]

>>3993442

>that feel when "money" becomes obsolete

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993470]

>>3992952
Originally 'Smack Phobos into it' was a serious proposal. Now I realize it's far more effective to manufacture orbital solar mirrors to reflect extra solar radiation on the planet and to import dry ice from a frozen-over Venus than to cause a two-decade-long duststorm by crashing Phobos into the south polar cap.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993474]

>>3993460
>that pic
erm, no
you could put
"why the cure for [fucking anything] wont be expensive"
>same reasons

just because people want something, doesnt mean they are definitely gonna riot
i mean granted, fucking eternal life will be prized slightly higher than a fucking flu shot, but still....

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993480]

>>3993470
>mfw you thought 'Smack Phobos into it' was a 'serious proposal'

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993491]

>>3993474
Aging affects everyone on the planet.
AIDS does not.
Any nation to adopt cure-for-all policies will see improvements in their economy as far less money will be required for the healthcare of old and diseased people, as they'll be virtually nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.3993499]

>>3993491
People will oppose raising retirement ages.

[Anonymous No.3993507]

>>3989539

Slap my ass and call me Susan, but this sounds as if it'd go nicely with 3D Printing tech.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993511]

>>3993491
overpopulation will still royally fuck the entire country in the ass after a couple of decades or so...but say 'la-vee'

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993517]

>>3993499
'Grrr, they'll raise retirement age on me! That's why I'm fine dying old and decrepit in a few short decades!'
Perspective, man.

Also, this is assuming the current system of work is in place even 30 years from now, which seems increasingly unlikely.

[Anonymous No.3993521]

>>3993517
It's not what I think, but people will oppose it.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993526]

>>3993511
The faster you bring up every nation to first-world status with sex education and contraception, as well as some mild population control, the sooner you can stop worrying about immediate overpopulation. And don't forget an entire universe is out there.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993527]

>>3993517
+1

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993540]

>>3993526
as far as earth is concerned, people still breeding by the millions, with people hardly ever fucking dying, WILL become a problem, but i cant argue with:
>don't forget an entire universe is out there.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993555]

>>3993540
Well obviously people love sex. It's not hard to think of governments instituting a rule where if you want to get the treatment, you must be sterilized right after.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3993573]

>>3993555
i'd be fine with that.
then again...what is stopping one from having a fuckton of kids, and THEN having the treatment?
(i dont ever want kids, this is just a thought)

[Gilgamesh !!JNVkU2/omZB No.3993598]

http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2005/02/superlongevity-without-overpopulation-1.php

"The share of the global population accounted for by the developed nations has fallen from 32 percent in 1950 to 20 percent currently and is projected to fall to 13 percent in 2050. [2] If we look just at Europe, we see an even more remarkable shrinkage: In 1950, Europe accounted for 22 percent of the global population. Currently it has fallen to 13 percent, and is projected to fall to 7 percent by 2050. [3] To put this in perspective, consider that the population of Africa at 749 million is now greater than that of Europe at 729 million, according to UN figures. Europe's population growth rate of just 0.03 per cent will ensure that it will rapidly shrink relative to Africa and other developing areas.

In Eastern Europe, population is now shrinking at a rate of 0.2 percent. Between now and 2050, the population of the more developed regions is expected to change little. Projections show that by mid-century, the populations of 39 countries will be smaller than today. Some examples: Japan and Germany 14 percent smaller; Italy and Hungary 25 percent smaller; and the Russian Federation, Georgia and Ukraine between 28-40 percent smaller. [3]

For the United States (whose population grows faster than Europe), the bottom line was summed in a presentation to the President's Council on Bioethics by S.J. Olshansky who "did some basic calculations to demonstrate what would happen if we achieved immortality today". The bottom line is that if we achieved immortality today, the growth rate of the population would be less than what we observed during the post World War II baby boom. [4]"

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3993609]

>>3993573
>then again...what is stopping one from having a fuckton of kids, and THEN having the treatment?
Government limit of two/three kids even without treatment?

[Anonymous No.3993634]

>>3993609
I'm not sure government limitations would be the ideal solution. Neither would a tax on further children, because that could lower their living standards significantly which isn't fair. I'm just gonna think for a minute, I'll get back to you soon.

[Anonymous No.3993668]

>>3993634
Haven't thought of anything fair so far. Giving all men vasectomies and only using the highest quality sperm for reproduction, which must be obtained from government clinics with approval, is one solution.

[Anonymous No.3993705]

>>3989539
>million atoms per second
>atoms

So, after about an hour it would still be too small to see? Excuse me if that question was derptarded, I usually just lurk in these parts.

[Anonymous No.3993815]

>>3993526
sam jones approves this message

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3993840]

>>3993705

Yeah, pretty much. But ten atoms a second is with standard scanning tunneling microscope tips, ten of them. They can be made smaller, more precise (Atomically precise, as the process implies) and parallelized even further in two dimensions, and later in three.

[Anonymous No.3993897]

>>3993840
Sounds interesting. What exactly is/would this be used for?

[Anonymous No.3995123]

How will the average person, that knows nothing about the details and such of what scientists know, be effected by what will come?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3996933]

>>3993897

[Anonymous No.3998855]

You are now aware that Alexander Chung-Sik Finkle McGraw was inspired by James Von Ehr since he was described as 'selling these little newish devices called scanning tunelling microscopes'.

[Anonymous No.3999032]

>>3990045
>uncrackable DRM
laughing_pirate_girls.jpg