/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3953584]

Sup /sci/

Poorbro here going to a local community college soon. Going for a computer science degree, because I'm good with computers and there are many careers for that degree. Should be easy I think right?

What do you think about this? Advise against it?

laughing at op general

[Anonymous No.3953587]

community college are pretty underrated op, I say go for it and have fun

[melli !T8qg9.rOwg No.3953592]

Well at least you won't be burdened with crushing debt after you graduate.

[Anonymous No.3953599]

Are you planning on an associate's or to transfer into a uni for bachelor's?

Certification and associates and stuff like that should be pretty straightforward for comp sci. If you're planning on a bachelor's, it'll get a lot less computer-related and a lot more mathematical.

If you go for a graduate degree in comp sci you'll probably never see a computer again in your life

[Anonymous No.3953606]

a legit plan op, just make sure you dont pay for it with your own money

renew your pell grants every year

[Anonymous No.3953608]

experience will be your teacher :) hard to say wether it's easy or not, depends on prof and the structure of teaching. I study computer science and we are talking aboutthe fastest algorithms and communications between machine and human :) you know 0100100 etc^^ It's wasy but some people just dont understand anything there :)

[Anonymous No.3953612]

Good for you OP. I'm going back to community college for my second bachelors degree. I might major in computer science, or maybe engineering.

[Anonymous No.3953622]

>>3953606
>pell grant
>not living in California and getting that sweet Cal grant

I seriously hope etc

[Anonymous No.3953623]

>>3953599

Transferring to a uni for a bachelor's probably. They don't have a graduate degree in Comp Sci? What would be a good thing to branch into then, programming?

[Anonymous No.3953635]

>>3953623
They have grad degrees in computer science. It just gets to be very distant from any actual computers. It's all maths

[Anonymous No.3953639]

>>3953622
tell me more about this grant....

[Anonymous No.3953642]

>>3953584
Non-American fag here. What exactly are community colleges? And to OP any education is good education, go for it.

[Anonymous No.3953644]

>>3953623
They are graduate degrees in Computer Science. His point is that the material gets more and more conceptual the higher in education you go, and more removed from actually programming.

[Anonymous No.3953648]

>>3953639
Talk to your financial aid office and be sure to file your FAFSA. If you are working or lower middle class California will give you a shit ton of money for school that you don't need to pay back.

[Anonymous No.3953650]

>>3953635
Sometimes, but this is not going to be the case for the vast majority of CS grad students. Many if not most of them will still be involved in SW both in class and in research.

[Anonymous No.3953657]

>>3953635
Maybe I should just stop at associate and start a different degree later then....

[Anonymous No.3953663]

>>3953648
>mfw I live on the cali border in nevada, and if I went to cali for school the out of state expenses would probably cancel out the grant money

[Anonymous No.3953665]

>>3953657
Grad degree is masters/phd

You'll be in good shape with a bachelor's

[Anonymous No.3953669]

Do it, technical degrees are at an all time high demand right now. Refreshing to see that you're not one of those dumbass liberal arts majors who thinks they can get a job with an MFA.

I'm proud of you OP. I mean that.

[Anonymous No.3953671]

>>3953663
boo hoo, give up your entitlement complex, get a career oriented degree, get headhunted by several multi-national corporations whom have an enormous demand for experts in certain fields, pay off your student loans in like a year and start your life

[Anonymous No.3953672]

>>3953642
Community colleges are affordable two year institutions that do not award bachelors degrees. Students complete general education courses and lower division major requirements, then transfer to colleges and universities to complete their upper division coursework and earn their degree. Community colleges often offer technical certifications and job skills classes for working adults trying to change careers or gain skills necessary for promotion.

They are not prestigious, but they really are amazing institutions.

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953680]

>>3953669
>thinking that a computer science is a technical degree

[Anonymous No.3953684]

don't insult my dual phd's in women's studies and art history. I worked hard for those.

[Anonymous No.3953688]

>>3953684
that's too retarded to be true

[Anonymous No.3953691]

>>3953680
>Thinking that it isn't

[Anonymous No.3953695]

>>3953672
That sounds like a good set up. OP should definitely go to community college, then consider transferring to complete a bachelors. Start saving.

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953700]

>>3953691
It's certainly not an applied degree, though. It's a glorified math degree.

CompE > CS

[Anonymous No.3953705]

>>3953695
Yeah. OP, also try to get onto a guaranteed transfer program if your CC has them. Many California community colleges have agreements with UCs and CSUs where if you fulfill a set list of requirements with a certain GPA, you are guaranteed admission.

[Anonymous No.3953708]

>>3953642
Community colleges are the poorer colleges that are just classes basically, maybe a library, kids drive there, go to class, and then leave

Much different from Uni where school has a huge campus, a football stadium, stores and restaurants, dorm rooms, in some cases planetariums and museums

Tuition at a community college is way cheaper so often times if someone is planning on going to Uni they spend the first 2 years at community college, and then switch over

Universities have a higher requirement too, you need a high GPA and sometimes need to be right out of high school

Community colleges accept anybody, any age, you don't need a gpa requirement, so you'll see old people, middle aged people in community colleges often, they stop by after work to attend classes

No real difference beside Uni is more "prestigious" and Uni degrees look better if you're aiming for a high important career

pic related is a typical community college

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953710]

>2011
>worrying about paying for college
>not being an underachieving spoiled Jew neckbeard with multimilliionaire parents willing to fund your education (and everything else) up to and beyond the Ph.D. level

ISHYGDDT

Seriously, though, I do empathize.

[Anonymous No.3953711]

>>3953700
Right

ANY math major > Art major

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953715]

>>3953711
Math majors are dirt poor. Even ones with fucking Master's degrees. One instance where rigor of degree doesn't correlate with payoff.

[Anonymous No.3953719]

>>3953715
It pays off if you are smart enough to aim towards a career in finance right off the bat.

[Anonymous No.3953727]

>>3953710
I am happy for you, but I prefer the struggler experience over the spoiled one

Makes me appreciate things more

If your parents ever went broke and you had to eat ramen noodles you'd be hit a lot harder than if that happened to me

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953734]

>>3953719
Then why not major in finance right off the bat?

Better yet: Major in CompE or EE. You will have more than enough math to succeed in finance, and you will always have a fall-back degree in case the economy turns to shit.

[Anonymous No.3953739]

>>3953700
They're both good bro

My dad has a computer engineering degree and he does basic blueprinting and designing stuff

Not a huge difference as many jobs will take either

[Anonymous No.3953744]

>>3953734
finance careers are becoming over saturated like law degrees now, and it depends more on the prestige of your university, those factors don't apply to science degrees

[Anonymous No.3953755]

>>3953727
>implying I don't eat ramen noodles already

[Anonymous No.3953758]

>>3953744
>prestige
>doesn't apply to Science careers

[Anonymous No.3953761]

>>3953744
>prestige
>science jobs
choose both

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953771]

>>3953727
My parents started out as middle class, but they worked their way to the top tax bracket.

Remember: Be ruthless (no Mr. Nice Goy) and innovative. Remember to defer gratifications. Work first, pleasure later. It also helps to be smart, which I will wager you are, but it actually isn't very much necessary (case in point: my dad has a master's in physics, but he works as an investor).

[Anonymous No.3953786]

>>3953734
>8 years learning math
>can't get a job because no hard experience
>by the time you finish your degree, computers will be around that can do your job better than you can
>PHD useless

[Anonymous No.3953788]

>>3953771
>go to school for science degree
>end up doing something completely different

[Anonymous No.3953794]

>>3953788
because fall back degree

[None !genesi1Q6c No.3953799]

>>3953727
My parents started out as middle class, but they worked their way to the top tax bracket.

Remember: Be ruthless (no Mr. Nice Goy) and innovative. Remember to defer gratifications. Work first, pleasure later. It also helps to be smart, which I will wager you are, but it actually isn't very much necessary. Get an advanced degree in something rigorous. It will help even if you will not work in the field: My dad has a master's in physics, but he works as an investor (doesn't even really require much of an education).

[Anonymous No.3953805]

>>3953606
Pell Grants and TAP.

I decided to the same for the same reasons OP. Though I transferred from a community college to a 4-year when I decided it as my major.
Let me just say that, in my experience, the amount of arrogance in the CSC department is very hard to deal with. And I don't know your level of expertise with computers, but I went in with an "i'm good with computers attitude," based on the idea that I could help people out with basic shit, remove viruses, and simple shit like that. Upon transferring, I found a LOT of these students have been programming and shit for years and already know 100 times more than I do. So even though I have a 4.0, I doubt I'll be able to compete with all these kids in the job market.

[Anonymous No.3953828]

Thank you OP for making this thread. Thank you /sci/ for coming through with the info. I am going to school as well and this is important.

[Anonymous No.3953853]

>>3953708
This

I recommend everyone to go to a community college over a university just because of how positive my experience has been. If you have questions or are confused, the teacher at a community college will help you out in a 1 on 1. It's a more personal education route and I think it works better overall.

When I went to university it was very pompous and the professor couldn't be bothered to repeat himself or explain anything. If you weren't already on the level he wanted, he looked down on you as nothing and thought you didn't even deserve to be here. He didn't care if anyone passed his class or not. It's a much harder system for me anyways, and I learned much more from cc than uni.

If you transfer over to a university my advice would be to learn everything about the courses before you get there, and just do the work. Go through the motions of uni because if you expect to learn anything, you're out of luck.

[Anonymous No.3953870]

>>3953805
most of them know a lot of useless information about computers though that will never apply to careers

so they're good at programming and designing vidya from their basement, often times those skills have nothing to do with computer science, in my experience anyways, so if they're trying to impress everyone by writing secret messages in binary, they're just being autistic

[Anonymous No.3953872]

>>3953853

Yup, sums up my experiences with cc and university too. Although I had a couple pompous fuck professors at cc too.

[Anonymous No.3953901]

>>3953870

Not these ones. Know all about designing web apps, programming complex programs, syntax of various programming languages, you name it really. All stuff that definitely relates to careers. Many of them are already working for different companies, or do projects for companies on the side, while they finish their degree... ultimately gaining even more experience.

[Anonymous No.3953903]

>>3953853
not to mention the kids at a uni are spoiled brats/teachers pets ... its hard to tolerate them if you're not used to such douchebaggery

[Anonymous No.3953911]

>>3953901
and then theres the ones like you, op, me and some of the others in this thread who'd start with basic computer info

of course in every education environment some will be ahead of others, some were prob behind you too

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3953929]

Community colleges are also a great way to get into good schools. Many schools have guaranteed admissions for transfers from their local community college.

[Anonymous No.3953942]

>>3953761
>>3953758
He said science degrees, not careers.

>>3953734
That would be one way to get into finance, but if you want to go towards quantitative analysis you need a highly quantitative Ph.D. Maths is an all around good choice. Furthermore if you want to go the more traditional financial route you're better off with undergrad maths than almost anything else, preferably combined with finance.

[Anonymous No.3953953]

>>3953903
lolwut, give me an example of this douchebaggery

[Anonymous No.3953991]

>>3953903
agreed, very hard to tolerate.

>>3953911
true, there are many behind me who struggle too. thanks for pointing that out.

[Anonymous No.3954015]

>>3953953
>"lool science degree? thats stupid, only poor scumbags and chinks get that huehuehue, I went to a private school all my life and my dad bought me a new mustang when I was 12, problem? enjoy your shitty math degree pleb, while I get a job in music, im gonna be a rockstar, u mad?"

[Anonymous No.3954034]

CS is always a good choice
Myself, I went to a school well known for music and am majoring in drums
I got a scholarship when I came in though so ill only be graduating 60k in debt

[melli !T8qg9.rOwg No.3954046]

>>3953953
"liek omg I was on facebook all day and this ugly man said he didn't have a job, lol what an idiot! xD why work when he could go to a school and become a scientist liek me. what a stupid idiot lmao. ppl who arent a this school r gross! ewww"

You'll be dealing a lot with that, and then the extremely rich kids who laugh at less fortunate people and say their degree is worthless.

>biology
>a hard science, ishyddt

[Anonymous No.3954051]

>>3953953
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNuyDZevKrU

[Anonymous No.3954069]

>>3953786
>by the time you finish your degree, computers will be around that can do your job better than you can
This would require AI which is significantly more clever and creative than humans to be commonplace. Not likely to happen in the near future, and when it does mathematicians will be the last to go. Anyone who believes a computer can do a mathematician's job has never had any involvement in mathematics.

[Anonymous No.3954092]

>>3954069
>Anyone who believes a computer can do a mathematician's job has never had any involvement in mathematics

o hi

[Anonymous No.3954098]

>>3954092
Your underage is showing.

[Anonymous No.3954100]

>>3954092
Oh shit man, there are mathematical tools now? I didn't realise.

Looks like we're going the way of the carpenter, replaced by the hammer, or the musician, replaced by the guitar, or the painter, replaced by the paint brush....

[Anonymous No.3954106]

>>3954092
Yeah, its not like calculators use riemann series or anything...

[Anonymous No.3954112]

>>3953786
lol I think by the time we have AI that can replace PhD level mathematicians, everyone is fucked (except for the .001% who own the companies ran by robots)

brb AI robots controlling everything from accounting and programming to fruit picking and burger flipping

[Anonymous No.3954114]

>>3954100
Or the biologist, replaced by monkeys. No seriously we should do this.

[Anonymous No.3954120]

>>3954034
>majoring in drums

[Anonymous No.3954134]

>>3953700
Depends on where you study. My school has a huge focus on applications and very little on theory:

CDA 3104 Computer Org & Assem Lang Prog (3)
CDA 3200 Digital Systems (3)
CDA 4150 Computer Architecture (3)
CEN 3031 Software Engineering (3)
CEN 4935 Sr Software Engineering Project (3)
CNT 4104 Computer Networks (3)
COP 2006 Introduction to Programming (3)
COP 2001 Programming Methodology (3)
COP 3003 Object-Oriented Programming (3)
COP 3530 Data Structures (3)
COP 4610 Operating Systems (3)
COT 3400 Algorithms (3)
ISM 3212 Database Concepts & Admin (3)
MAD 3107 Discrete Mathematics (3)

Select 12 hours from the following:
CAP 4730 Computer Graphics (3)
CAP 4830 Simulation & Modeling (3)
CDA 4170 Data Acquisition & Control Systems (3)
COP 2550 Programming Systems (3)
COP 4908 Independent Study (3)
COP 4931 Special Topic in Computer Science (3)
ISM 3238 Advanced Business Programming (3)

I asked one of my professors why they didn't offer Theory of Computation as an elective when so many other schools did, and his answer (other than the fact we have no money) was that it was more of a math course.

So yeah, computer science gets very math-y as you get more theoretical, but that doesn't mean all schools treat it that way.

[Anonymous No.3954137]

>>3954120
>majored in drums
>60k in debt

99%

[Anonymous No.3954153]

>>3954034
>majoring in drums
>60k in debt

[Anonymous No.3954164]

>>3954134
so which of those degrees are actually practical in getting a job

or does it really even matter

[Anonymous No.3954187]

>majored in drums
>60k in debt

[Anonymous No.3954194]

>>3954164
>can't into course catalogs.

[Anonymous No.3954196]

>>3954164

You're looking at this process from the wrong perspective.

On top of it, you're asking an image board that knows nothing besides the information you've posted what you should do with your life.

The IT sector is all about what experience you have with specific systems. If all you're looking for is a job, go through open application requirements for jobs you're interested in and start learning those skills.

[Anonymous No.3954258]

>>3954164

You're new to the process of college, those were all different courses in the curriculum. Don't be turned off by arrogant dicks like >>3954194.

>>3954196
Listen to this guy.

[Anonymous No.3954286]

>>3954196
>>3954258
the 3 is the number of credits you get from each .. class then?

is that the entire course of 4 years? how does this work

also yes I would go to a technical school but I'd rather take advantage of community college classes before grant funding disappears

[Anonymous No.3954317]

>>3954286
Yeah, 3 is the credits you get from the course. All universities have different requirements on what you need to take for your major. There's the required courses for the major which you need to take (based on the university) plus a number of electives. Electives are courses you can choose based on your interests. Just make sure you have enough upper division credits (300 level and up) to graduate based on your school's "rules."

[Anonymous No.3954364]

>>3954286

Let me just simplify things for you. "3" means "3 credit hours per week" which means "3 hours in class each week." You need a certain amount of credit hours to graduate, and there are required courses (which depend on your major) + a certain amount of "elective" courses in your major + general education requirements you need to fulfill to graduate.
You will also need a total amount of x credits to graduate depending on where you go and a percentage of x must be "upper division," meaning 300+ level courses. Community college only offers up to 200 level course so keep this in mind.

[Anonymous No.3954390]

>>3954364
This is speaking in terms of a bachelors degree (4-year, non community college university). You can take all general education and some major requirements at a community college and then transfer, which is the best way to do it if you want a bachelors.
Or you can just get an associates or certification.

[Anonymous No.3954435]

My advice is don't go for a CS degree unless you like both actual programming (have you ever actually DONE it before or are you just going "I like using computers, therefore I should like programming them"?) and theory (at the very least, Big Oh notation is important)..

The major is saturated enough with idiots who can barely manages Java. It makes the rest of us look bad and causes people to make erroneous claim about the CS job market being over-full when really, 80% (pulled that number out of my ass, but I am allowed a bit of hyperbole) of those people are effectively unhirable and don't count.

[Anonymous No.3954442]

>>3954435
Please DESCRIBE the 20% who are employable.

[Anonymous No.3954461]

>>3954442
They make use of good documentation practices for code. They are concerned with making the code both efficient and, where practical, modular (thus saving time down the road through re-use).

They need to have at least a grasp of theory and should be able to provide a Big Oh notation for any given programming task provided to them.

If they want to manage projects, they need to understand how to properly divide coding work in an efficient manner (more people can often result in a longer time and more a worse product. You can't throw people at programming projects and expect it to go faster).

Specialized knowledge is needed as applicable, whether that is good understanding of computer hardware or physics, etc.

[Anonymous No.3954472]

>>3954461
Thank you for the informative post.

[Anonymous No.3954488]

>>3953942
That's strange. I've always thought science degrees are held in high regard, especially the more "pure" ones (theoretical physics and pure math, except math isn't science but you get the idea)

[Anonymous No.3954501]

Man, I dunno what the fuck is wrong with your universities. The professors and my fellow students at my Uni are generally bro tier (or retard tier, I dunno how some people manage to pass classes. Even then, it's not an attitude problem, they're just.. .not very bright)

[Anonymous No.3954510]

>>3954472
If you're interested in the project management aspects in particular, There's a book that gets used in a lot of Software Engineering courses that's fairly compact and in-expensive that I would recommend, having read it myself.

It's called "The Mythical Man-Month" by Frederick P. Brooks, Jr.

[Anonymous No.3954515]

>>3954435
Don't listen to this double nigger

CS doesn't just apply to fucking programming despite what people say, it literally helps with EVERY job nowadays

From working at a bank to working as a cable guy or a clerk or working for the government, CS is a fit all degree

Hell if you want to become an FBI agent you can get the job with a CS degree

[Anonymous No.3954518]

>>3954510
At what point would you recommend reading that? I'm in my second semester.

[Anonymous No.3954523]

>>3954461
Addenum: It constantly amazes me how few of my fellow students don't have good documentation. Often, they don't have any at all.

This is really important and I cannot stress it enough. Your code may run, but it's trash if people's eyes melt out of their skull when they try to look at it.

[Anonymous No.3954526]

>>3954518
Whenever. It's not really about programming and doesn't deal with any concepts you wouldn't already know.

It's about project organization, how to arrange teams, etc.

It will let you tell a well run company from a badly managed one.

[Anonymous No.3954740]

>>3954051
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNuyDZevKrU
Do yourselves a favor,l, mute it and turn on Transcribe Audio.

[Anonymous No.3954750]

CS is like physics or maths. It is humanities degree but you learn science instead of history and political science.

It will help you tremendously if you want to pursue an academic career or chase degrees forever, but if you hope to get a job someday which pays more than 50k. You are far better off doing something applied like IT or EE.

[Anonymous No.3954754]

>>3954435
I bet you're just another shit-tier code monkey from a community college, who doesn't know what real Computer Science either.

You make the rest of us feel bad.

[Anonymous No.3954787]

>>3954754
Perhaps you could justify your statement in some manner that doesn't seem to amount to "I'm ass frustrated"?

All I said was that people who don't actually have an interest in what they'll be doing in the major (CS will involve both application and theory to varying degrees depending on the college, but they'll both be there) are not going to succeed. And even among those that do, there are bad standards abound everywhere (see: documentation) that really should have been weeded out back in college.

[Anonymous No.3954797]

switch to math and then kill yourself for even considering something as plebeian as CS. You might as well have considered Biology.

But seriously though, Math. Imagine.

>phd in math
>any job you want
>300k starting

[Anonymous No.3954803]

>>3954797
Fuck you assholes who think the majority of folks who even bother with college have the self-diligence to do that much math.

Even CS is preferrable, because you at least can get tangible results from your work, and even make nifty stuff on your own for you own sense of self satisfaction and improvement.

[Anonymous No.3954808]

>>3954803
>>3954803

http://www.quantfinancejobs.com/jobs/hedge-fund.asp

u jelly?
>he jelly

[Anonymous No.3954814]

>>3954808
No, because going into finance would make me an asshole. I'd prefer to be something more than what amounts to a parasite, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3954816]

>>3954808

>1-4 years experience in optimization

Good luck getting that.

[Anonymous No.3954819]

>>3954814
>going into finance would make me an asshole
I've always wondered, does accounting really turn you into a soul-eating monster?
Or is it just the jobs you do require the destruction of lives and dreams on a daily basis?

[Anonymous No.3954821]

>>3954814
>>3954816

confirmed for retards with no ambitions in life

I'll be making bank while you guys struggle to find a meaningful lab position somewhere, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.3954825]

>>3954821

>i'll be making bank

Don't get bitter when you end up marking term papers for people who will probably earn more with their first job than you do with your senior position.

This is not 2005, the quant field is closed for anyone who isn't there already. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.3954827]

>>3954819
finance isnt accounting
accounting is looking at numbers and making sure they all add up right
finance is looking at numbers and the imperfections in how they add up and exploiting those
the financial sector is the reason for the recession and most quant work is just moving numbers around to take a profit off the system while contributing absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.3954828]

Good luck OP.

I got my associate in programming at the end of this summer.
I suck at programming though so now I don't know what I should do.

[Anonymous No.3954830]

>>3954825

and when they all die off or retire who would take their place? Check and mate faggot.

>mfw a Biology major was buttmad near me

[Anonymous No.3954833]

>>3954830

>when they all die off

The field was started in the mid 90s. They have a long, long way to go before they die off or retire.

By that time, it can be certain that the huge money salaries they are earning will be pulled down as there will be entire schools set up to teach what they do to everyone.

>biology major

Nope.

[Anonymous No.3954840]

>>3954833

lol get a load of this cumslurper

>noap field closed off lol no1 can get in
>But what about the very real prospect of those who are currently in the field retiring or passing away? Who else do you expect to fill those positions other than new and fresh talent?
>HURRR NOAP NOAP NOAP THEY WILL ALL BE FILLED WITH FAGGOTS FROM 3RD RATE STATE SCHOOLS WHO SPENT 2 YEARS LEARNING SHIT FOR A JOB MARKET THAT DOESNT EXIST. UR WRONLOLOLOLOLOLO

[Anonymous No.3954846]

>>3954840

You are insecure as fuck.

I just hope you can stomach your pride and admit that you are wrong here before your eventual suicide tears your family apart.

[Anonymous No.3954852]

>>3954846
>denying the possibility that people can study the same thing as you and end up with a higher salary 5 years from now than you will make in your lifetime
>calling others insecure

[Anonymous No.3954853]

>>3954827

That's not what finance is at all...and there are many fields of finance.

Frankly, I doubt you're intelligent and driven enough to be a quant.

HFTs are questionable though.

[Anonymous No.3954855]

>>3954853
Definitely intelligent enough, we'll see about driven but I don't have much else going on in my life so I can put the time in.

[Anonymous No.3954857]

>>3954846
>LOL U WRON I RITE LOL U MAD DEAL WITH IT FAGGOT LOLOLOLOLO

But seriously OP, Mathematics is the way to go. Basically every field worth studying is backed by math. Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science, if you know the mathematical principles behind them, you can easily learn the concept. Why bother with any other degree when Math gives you the most flexibility and the most insight into any science?

[Anonymous No.3954861]

>>3954797
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mathematics-phd#.TqfBk3LDCqc

>implying I'll believe anything you say now

[Anonymous No.3954866]

>>3954861

>implying it isn't true

see >>3954808

[Anonymous No.3954872]

>>3954808
>380k starting for CS
>plus benefits
>plus bonus

u mad? he mad

[Anonymous No.3954876]

>>3954852

Good Luck. Maybe in 5 years you can come here and boast to the forum about how you have the job that every academic dreams about.

[Anonymous No.3954881]

>>3954808

the jobs on offer there require 10, 15 years + of experience.

certainly not "starting" positions.

[Anonymous No.3954883]

>>3954808
>>3954808
>>3954808
>>3954808
all I see in that are jobs requiring PHD in Computer Science

>High performance computing- PhD Computer >Science- US Hedge Fund- $250K++ Bonus
>NY, Chicago, LA, CT, Massechusettes - $250K
>COMPUTER SCIENCE

is this some sort of reverse troll?

[Anonymous No.3954886]

Job posters tend to post the highest requirements possible, but a lot of employers will take people with less qualifications if they are the best they can get or will work for less.

[Anonymous No.3954888]

>>3954883
>>3954872

>cherry picks job postings
>LOLOLOLOLO TRUE FOR EVER JOB DEAL WITH IT
>implying CS = programming
>implying a solid PhD level Mathematics background isn't more useful for this field

[Anonymous No.3954898]

>>3954888
>says Computer Science is a pleb degree
>switch to Math because it can get you 300k careers
>links page with 300k careers
>majority of links mention Computer Science PHD required
>the rest mention required programming
>mfw you made yourself look like a complete and total idiot, while making the rest of us feel better about ourselves

[Anonymous No.3954901]

>>3954898

he doesn't even do maths, he's probably in high school

[Anonymous No.3954903]

>>3954876
>the job that every academic dreams about
While every academic dreams about it, I'll be working on actually do it, which I think will get me a bit farther.

[Anonymous No.3954904]

>>3954888
Just wanted to let you know someone with a PhD in CS or IT or any computer related degree with learn as much math as you, plus a shit load of other skills

enjoy your 6+ years of theoretical math that will make you overqualified for every job imaginable while you are forced to compete for a job as a middle school math teacher to pay off your debts because it's the only job your degree will get you

[Anonymous No.3954910]

>>3954903

You don't think that academics aren't shooting off their CVs to hedge funds and doing any research they can which can be even remotely relevant to this field?

[Anonymous No.3954915]

>>3954910
While they're doing that, I'm applying for financial internships, learning programming (admittedly starting out behind, did zero programming before college) and applying for field-specific masters programs with their own career placement offices.

[Anonymous No.3954917]

>300k Hedge Fund jobs
>BSc/ MSc requirement
>C++/Java
>Engineering
>programmer needed
>High Performance Computing
>Highly Technical
>systematic trading/computer science major needed

So where exactly does the PhD in math come in?

Sounds like they need someone with a Bachelor's in Computer Science for ALL of these jobs

>mfw you're overqualified
You mad?

[Anonymous No.3954924]

>>3954808
>240 jobs in the entire world
>minimum 4 years experience
>getting a degree in the wrong field

Good luck

[Anonymous No.3954930]

>>3954915

>internships

Everyone does this.

>learning programming

Everyone does this too.

>field specific masters with their own placements

At best they can give you a list of companies and tell you to shoot your CV off. They won't give you a job, regardless of what they tell you.

You really need a lot more time at university before you can try to be so certain with your options.

[Anonymous No.3954949]

>>3953584
the whole world's financial markets are going to implode in about 6 months. there will be public beheadings and lots of other perp walking. this will no doubt provide a chilling effect on any possible job openings in the financial sector

whaddya gonna do for a job then, wise guy?

[Anonymous No.3954954]

>>3954949
OP here

are you talking to me? I prob won't even have started going to school in 6 months

I don't want a job in the financial sector...

[Anonymous No.3954962]

>>3954930
>http://mfe.berkeley.edu/
>Number of Student Looking for Job: 66
>Number of Total Students Placed: 65
>http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x33128.xml
>Number seeking full-time jobs: 36
>Number of full-time placements: 31
both T1 but not top 5 schools, both are public and not in NY
I have plenty of confidence in my ability to get into a top 20 program and absolute confidence in being able to be in the top 80% of the class.

[Anonymous No.3955347]

ITT: Middle schooler trolls everyone

[Anonymous No.3955580]

>>3954883
>>3954898
>>3954872
I just thought I'd chime in here, programming does not necessarily mean computer scientist. Mathematicians program, and its mostly mathematicians who work in quantitative analysis, though plenty of comp sci and physics guys are around as well, you need a very solid mathematical background to even be considered and its much more common for a mathematician to program than for a programmer to understand stochastic calculus. I'm working on my Ph.D. in mathematical finance right now, a few of the guys doing masters at my university come from comp sci backgrounds but maths is the majority.

If any of you are genuinely interested in mathematical finance there're great opportunities for the more comp-sci oriented guys (machine learning in particular) in algorithmic trading, comp sci people actually have the upper hand fairly substantially in algo, for more traditional quant roles you might consider enrol in a masters program at a well reputed university in your country in quant finance to bridge some of the gaps in your mathematics. You'll need a fairly complete knowledge of deterministic calculus and differential equations before you can get into a lot of these programs, but some cover those as well. If you have a lot of C++ experience you've got a good advantage, this is where a lot of maths students have to supplement their learning (I self taught C++ between semesters, you could consider doing this with mathematical finance.) In fact practically every quant finance student has to do a lot of self directed learning because no undergrad course will cover anywhere near the entry level material realistically.

More to come...

[Anonymous No.3955587]

>>3955580
To those studying mathematics you should try to take as many numerical based classes as you can, get good knowledge of MATLAB and C++ if possible, consider taking operations research type classes as these often go into monte carlo simulation which is big in derivatives trading as well as touching on stochastic calculus (if not they at least introduce you to stochastic processes), you'll want to do your honours in a highly numerical field if possible. Take analysis (think measure theory, real and complex analysis, functional analysis to some extent, though not so directly)

For a few references for books you might consider for self teaching here're the books I enjoyed;

For C++
First book was Thinking in C++ by Bruce Eckel
Then I worked through the 'Effective C++' series by Scott Myers
Between these you should get a pretty decent grasp of programming in C++

...

[Anonymous No.3955596]

>>3955587
For Mathematical Finance
- An Introduction to the Mathematics of Financial Derivatives by Salih N. Neftci - This one will be excellent for you comp sci guys as it assumes fairly little mathematical knowledge
- Financial Calculus: An Introduction to Derivative Pricing by Martin W. Baxter
- Stochastic Calculus for Finance (I and II) by Steven Shreve - great books which combine solid theory with intuition and readability in a way which makes for an excellent introduction
- Martingale Methods in Financial Modelling by Marek Musiela and Marek Rutkowski - You won't want to try to tackle this without a good deal of maths under your belt.
- Financial Modelling with Jump Processes by Rama Cont and Peter Tankov - A little lacking in theory, but good none the less
Monte Carlo Methods in Financial Engineering by Paul Glasserman

For those of you who need the mathematical background for all of this I would recommend Kryzeig's Advanced Engineering Mathematics. A lot of people talk the book down for being dry and what have you, but if you work through it you'll have the basics by the time you're done.

Anyway I'm sure no one is actually interested enough to care, but in case someone is I'll say this much - its both hard and competitive, be sure you like it before you get in too deep. Books provide a good means to do just that, the ones I mention are the ones I liked, there are many others.

[Anonymous No.3955597]

>>3955587
> numerical methods
> recommend a programming language without built-in bignums
oh wow, C++ goons are more high-larious erryday

[Anonymous No.3955631]

>>3955597
Its the industry standard, you will never find work in quantitative finance without good C++. Also don't be such a dick, you're not as good as you apparently think you are.

[Anonymous No.3955658]

>>3955631

You call it arrogance, I call it confidence. I'm sorry if I'm not a beta like you are bro.

[Anonymous No.3955674]

>>3955658
While I appreciate the bumping (deep down I do hope someone intelligent actually reads my posts and takes something away from them) I don't really care about your beta and alpha games - it makes for very low quality trolling.

[Anonymous No.3955738]

>>3954112
That is one of the most dumbest thing I've ever heard.