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*BOOM*

*BOOM*

*CRASH*

That's all it takes for a burglar to break into your house with the intent to rob and kill you. Why don't you own a gun?

>> No.3948037

I do.


Th...Thanks /k/

>> No.3948042

0/10

>>>/k/

>> No.3948050

You have to give credit to a basic need for self preservation. Burglars don't want to tangle with police or other citizens. So making a lot of noise to alert everyone, just isn't their game. They just don't know WHO is armed, and they sure as fuck know the POLICE are armed.

You're actually in greater danger from the suiciders who say "fuck it" and just start killing and car-jacking and taking hostages. Those guys are looking to end up shot dead by police, hence they don't care about subtlety.

>> No.3948066

because i live where i'm more likely to be struck by lightning as be a victim of crime

>> No.3948069

Colt Python.

>> No.3948076

we have >>>/pol/ now for this shit

>> No.3948084

1. Not legal here.

2. if they were, the robber would have a gun as well so I would hold no advantage.

3. I'd probably be tried for murder or manslaughter if I used it even to defend myself or my property because the judicial system is imperfect nowhere where or who you are

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3948085

Because I'm asking for it.

>> No.3948091

>>3948066
where?

>> No.3948092

>>3948084
guns are not illegal. get a license and stop being a bitch

>> No.3948093

>>3948084
*no MATTER where or who you are

>> No.3948095

>>3948092
>hur dur everyone lives in the same jurisdiction

>> No.3948098

>>3948091
a gated community

>> No.3948099

>>3948092
do you even know what country the anon is posting from?

>> No.3948103

>>3948098
no, the scilly isles

almost no crime

>> No.3948107

Because I myself am a burglar and we don't break into each other's homes. It's called the broglar code.

>> No.3948123

if you have a gun for self protection the chances are you will never use it.

more fun to have one for killing randoms.

>> No.3948131

>>3948095
where do you live then kid? i bet with a simple google search i could tell you exactly what you need to do to get one. stop being a victim.

>> No.3948134

Everyone here has armoured doors. I always found it idiotic how Americans have those flimsy pieces of shit despite having a ridiculously high crime rate.

>> No.3948157

>>3948131
singapore. be my guest.

>> No.3948158

>>3948131
UK

Even if i got a gun with ome hunting licence, intruders would be able to guess I'd never use it on them. If it's just for hunting, I can probably be prosecuted just for brandishing it in front of them

>> No.3948165

>>3948134
why do americans have a small gate in front of their actual door? is forsecurity against crime or weather?

>> No.3948169

>>3948158
dont be a lazy faggot and go get a license

>> No.3948173

Only in retarded Amerika where doors open inwards.

>> No.3948184

>>3948032
>>>/pol/

>> No.3948190

>>3948173
Wat?

>> No.3948201

>>3948165
It's for the weather. When it's nice you can open the real door and let air in, but the screen keeps out bugs.

>> No.3948203

Never got why stupid Americans insist on making houses out of plywood and drywall, in a country infested with Hurricanes, Tornados, Floods, Earthquakes and Niggers.
If someone tries to kick my door in, the only thing he'll do is break his foot.

>> No.3948213

>>3948169
I just told you why it would be useless to do so. And i have no interest in hunting

>> No.3948214

>>3948203
are americans that poor??

>> No.3948279

Because I don't live in a shitty neighbourhood, don't trust myself or my acquantances to be responsible with a gun, and realise the probability of me killing myself with the gun when I otherwise wouldn't is higher than the probability of an armed gunman trying to get into my house, let alone successfully rob me.

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I've got this mother right here. It's in my nightstand and always loaded, but no round chambered.

That being said, I never expect to use it. My state's castle laws say I can only use it if someone breaks in, which I will if it comes to that unlikely scenario.

>> No.3948316

>rob and kill you

don´t you mean, kill and rob you?

If he decided to rob you first then kill you, you would have the time to call the police before he kills you.

>> No.3948318

my house is not made of shitty wood and has a steel door.
try doing that and tell me how it works out.

murrikans build shit houses then complain that they need the guns.

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>>>/pol/

*BOOM*

*BOOM*

*CRASH*

That's all it takes for a bassist to break your house with the guitar. Why don't you own an instrument?

>> No.3948344

>>3948203
Pretty much this

>> No.3948354

>>3948203
You get what you pay for. America has shit houses and they're dirt cheap.

>> No.3948363
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3948363

*BOOM*

*CHICK CHICKY BOOM*

*CHICK CHICKY BOOM*

That's all it takes for Cuban Pete to rhumba into your house with the intent to make you dance and sing. Why don't you own a Mask?

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3948365

>>3948203
>>3948354
I guess that's why they call it the housing bubble.

>> No.3948369

>>3948365
We had one in the UK too, I lost £170,000.

Badum tss

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3948387

*BOOM*

*ROASTED!*

that's all it takes for Melanie Lee Baker to break into your house and take the piss outta stephen hawking...

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>>3948369
I lost everything I got. Now borrowing my parent's old car to get to work. Ba-dum TSSS

And I still find the whole debacle hilarious.
Mind you, I did spend a month crying and drinking myself to stupor.

Such is life.

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>>3948387
>mfw EK makes a funny.

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>>3948418
thanks hun!

>> No.3948454

>>3948415
:(

was fortunate enough to not actually suffer beyond the financial loss, fuck the recession.

>> No.3948475

>>3948415
>has a job
>complaining

>> No.3948499

>>3948354
America does have shitty houses, but they aren't cheap. Some of them cost a million dollars and are really crappy.

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3948500

>>3948454
Yeah, well. I blame myself for trusting people who get paid for lying to me.

>>3948475
>had an almost-paid off house
>had a better job
>had a good pc
>had a car
>has $60k debt to pay off
>has $500 laptop
Yeah, you're right. I got nothing to complain about.
Except that the company I had my retirement fund in is no more.

But besides that, everything is fine.

>> No.3948506

>>3948499
Yeah, and some houses here cost 20 million.

My three bed suburban home cost me £500,000. Find me an average american 3 bed in the suburbs for as much as half that, even.

>> No.3948530

>>3948506
> My three bed suburban home cost me £500,000.

1. Nobody forced you to sign that mortgage.

2. Nobody stopped you from renting small or cheap living space as an alternative.

3. Borrowing an unpayable amount of money is just like spending like a /\/igger.

>> No.3948540

They make flimsy houses because they can build them fast and sell them at a huge profit. The cost of the building materials is a small fraction of the actual price of the house.

>> No.3948543

>>3948530
No, they didn't. Did I say they did?

No, they didn't. Did I say they did?

I can pay it, and in fact I've paid about £260,000 in the past two years. Did I say that I couldn't?

>> No.3948544

>>3948032
> implying there are burglaries in my firearms-free country

>> No.3948553

>>3948500
Is that from a webcomic? If so, what's the name or link? Thanks.

>> No.3948557

12 gauge + rock salt rounds = win

>> No.3948558

>>3948543
> I can pay it, and in fact I've paid about £260,000 in the past two years. Did I say that I couldn't?

What's the median household income for your area, punk?

I betcha it's less than 1/5th of that 500 thousand Euros. Let's see, shall we?

>> No.3948559

my door is solid steel.
i have a hunting knife two feet from me, and a very sharp home forged sword within reach. and as an enthusiastic /k/omrade, i have a minefield separating me and the burglar.

>> No.3948560

Goddamn some people are paranoid as fuck.

>> No.3948565

>>3948560
>Family owns business near rough neighbourhood.
>Robbed annually
>Twice this year alone
>Cops don't give a fuck
>Finally convince my dad to hire an armed guard
>Ex-policeman on the clock
>Waiting for some faggot to start some shit

>> No.3948567

>>3948506
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/115-39th-St-Newport-Beach-CA-92663/25465866_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-m
ap-bubble-address}

3 bedroom for 3 million

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>>3948559
Hey this is /sci/. Rock hammer or gtfo.

>> No.3948575

>>3948558
Not sure, but it's a fuck ton lot lower than that (probably about £20,000?). I'm self employed.

Stop trying to start arguments.

>> No.3948586

>>3948567
>There is no better place to relax and enjoy the unique lifestyle found only in Balboa Peninsula of Newport Beach. This posh, top of the line duplex

>average
>in the suburbs

>> No.3948592

>My country's rate of of burglary/murder combos is at about 1 per year.

>My door isn't made of plywood, it doesn't open inwards and there is no way in hell that you are kicking it down.

>A victim of a burglary is more likely to die if he has a gun than if he doesn't. Why? Because an armed criminal will open fire and shoot to kill if someone comes at him with a gun.

Take your pick.

>> No.3948595

>>3948553
I forget the name, but it's a sketch comic.
google: rule63 organization xiii

The artist has a deviantart page IIRC, but I can't find it right now.

>> No.3948601

>>3948575
> Not sure, but it's a fuck ton lot lower than that (probably about £20,000?).

So, the comparison is over 20-to-1. That's the very definition of TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE PRICING. You're in for a property crash that will be marked in your history books for eternity, along with the subsequent Human suffering.

> Stop trying to start arguments.

You have no authority here. And there's no such thing as "trying to start arguments" on a board where discussion is supposed to take place.

>> No.3948603

>>3948592
>A victim of a burglary is more likely to die if he has a gun than if he doesn't.

Nope.

>> No.3948610

>>3948586
it is suburbs

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=newport+beach&hl=en&ll=33.61914,-117.93364&spn=0.01400
9,0.019033&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Newport+Beach,+Orange,+California
&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6

>> No.3948614

>>3948592
>slightly increased (still very very low) probability of being killed in an extremely low-probability event
>almost completely removed risk of being robbed without being physically injured
ill take my chances, thanks

also, lol at you faggots actually viewing home invasions as a serious threat, you are either children, you are completely dickless or you live in the fucking ghetto and need to move to a civilized place

>> No.3948615

>>3948595
Thanks.

>> No.3948621

>>3948592
Furthermore, if a large minority of the population have guns it becomes more ecconomical for thieves to both carry guns and shoot to kill, whereas if none of them do both acts are too much positive effort.

>>3948601
Says the guy supporting the American market.

It's completely sustainable, we have lower rates of eviction than you do. Houses are just more serious investments here, and they're still totally voluntary.

Property crash? Come at me. I didn't buy my house so I could make money on it, bought it so I could fucking live in it.

>You have no authority here

There's that go getting attitude.

>And there's no such thing as "trying to start arguments" on a board where discussion is supposed to take place.

This is /sci/ and you want to argue sustainable housing markets with me despite not understanding my housing market? Grow up.

>>3948610
-It's not average

- In between a harbour and a beach in the continent's top tourist location is not suburban in any real sense.

>> No.3948625

>Own a .357 Magnum
>Frequently go to the range

I have genuine admiration for the engineering that goes into firearms.

>> No.3948626

>>3948131
>>3948131
>>3948131

i live in hong kong. go google and tell me where to get a gun u fucking retard.

>> No.3948631

>>3948603

Correct! There is a great and often unreported stat in the USA whereby the mere brandishing of a weapon by a resident causes the attacker or invader to FLEE. No death or injury report follows. That happens at a large multiple of the shooting and injury numbers.

Naturally the gun-grabbers hate that truth and avoid mentioning it.

>> No.3948634

>Why don't you own a gun?
Because I can already defend myself with my wits and barehands. Only brainless, trigger-happy, and armchair /k/ommandos need guns.

>> No.3948635

>>3948032
Why would he intend to both rob and kill me. Clearly if he does both, one was the priority and the other was incidental.

>> No.3948641

>>3948634
You've never been robbed, have you?

>> No.3948644

>>3948631
>Implying that just showing your face isn't enough to make 99% of burglars try to flee

>> No.3948646

>>3948621
> Says the guy supporting the American market.

LIE. I never said or implied that.

> It's completely sustainable,

FALSE. There is no economic means to justify 20:1 ratios when the USA long proved that 2.5:1 is the only one that works in the long term.

> we have lower rates of eviction than you do.

Your government is only producing free cheese to stop that. That's what's ALSO unsustainable.

> Houses are just more serious investments here, and they're still totally voluntary.

Houses are not investments.

> Property crash? Come at me. I didn't buy my house so I could make money on it, bought it so I could fucking live in it.

The property crash that's still building in the Euro-shit and similar zones is gonna school you so hard that I don't need to come at you.

I'd show you the pic of a big Jewish dick, but it looks like you've been sucking one of those for a time, so it would be redundant.

>> No.3948647

>>3948641
no, because both times it was attempted i prevented it. with my wits and my bare hands

>> No.3948652

>>3948631
yeah, burglars arent some pure evil monsters who want to inflict as much evil on the world as possible, they want to steal your shit and get money, nobody is going to seriously risk getting shot just to bring you down with them if you come at them with a gun and stop them from stealing your shit

>> No.3948657

>>3948631
It's not just brandishing, which is effective. Homeowners have an advantage because they know the layout of their home, while the invaders don't. But whatever the reason, homes with guns are better protected and the numbers show this.

>> No.3948662

>>3948641
Close. The burglar tried breaking in through a bathroom window, but fled as soon as he saw lights being turned on.

>> No.3948672

>>3948662
which brings us to the real truth, it doesn't matter if you have a gun or are just standing there with your dick in your hand, most robbers will run when confronted at all.

Also its not legal to kill a man for stealing your tv.

>> No.3948675

>>3948657
I think it's safer and more effective to just have alarms installed. I doubt burglars would want to go into the house after hearing the sirens. As for guns, if the owner confronts a burglar with a gun, there's no guarantee that the owner will win. Brandishing is ineffective if you're killed in your sleep.

>> No.3948677

>>3948646
Yes you fucking did. You're arguing against me for buying a home in a more expensive market than the US'

>FALSE. There is no economic means to justify 20:1 ratios when the USA long proved that 2.5:1 is the only one that works in the long term.

Because, obviously, the US has never had a housing bubble, and has had a housing market for much longer.

>Your government is only producing free cheese to stop that. That's what's ALSO unsustainable.

LOLWUT

>Houses are not investments.

LOLWUT<span class="math">^{2}[/spoiler]

>The property crash that's still building in the Euro-shit and similar zones is gonna school you so hard that I don't need to come at you.

etc etc.

I'm sure, it's a horrible problem that you can uniquely predict, and that despite me knowing my financial situation and you knowing very little beyond I own >0 homes and have a high income, you can tell me exactly how flawed my financial strategy is. I will be drafting a letter to my lawyers phrased entirely in memes asking them to hire you so I can pay you for your intelligent, not-bullshit-at-all advice

>> No.3948873

Because according to Arthur Kellerman, a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.

>> No.3948876

Because I have a burger's alarm, fingers of steel from playing wow (for calling the cops), and I have a dog. I don't like guns :/

>> No.3948878

>>3948873
We call that a win for Darwin.

>> No.3948892

>>3948878
because in darwinian terms, the best thing to do is not keep a gun

>> No.3948896

>>3948873
>dont be retarded with guns
>have friends who arent retarded
yeah, i will definitely take my chances on that one, honestly if i manage to fucking shoot myself with my own gun in my house i probably dont deserve to live anyway
>>3948672
>Also its not legal to kill a man for stealing your tv.
Depends on where you live but most states have some form of castle doctrine, basically you have no legal responsibility to back down or use limited force if threatened in your own home, and many states have full legal immunity for shooting intruders even if they are attempting to flee.
>>3948675
>Brandishing is ineffective if you're killed in your sleep.
well NO SHIT but the debate in this thread is concerning burglars not assassins, obviously if someone breaks into your house with the intent of murdering you in your sleep a gun isnt going to do shit but youre pretty much fucked anyway in that situation

>> No.3948901

>>3948892
only if your analysis is LOL I IGNOAR ALL OTHER DATAS PEPL WITH GUNS DIE MOER

>> No.3948904

>>3948896
burglars don't tend to wake people either

>> No.3948908

>>3948901
how gun ownership affects your chances of your genes survival is the only data that matters

the evidence is it affects it negatively

>> No.3948909

>>3948904
burglars invade when you're not at home, not when you're asleep. also they avoid homes that are gun owners if they have that information.

>> No.3948911

>>3948677
>no housing bubble in US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble

>> No.3948913

>>3948904
Not intentionally, no, although it is a whole lot easier to accidentally wake someone up by stealing their shit in their house in the middle of the night than to accidentally murder someone in their sleep.

Was there a point to that post, or are we just stating irrelevant facts? In the latter case, carrots are originally from Afghanistan and until the middle ages were purple or white depending on the variety.

>> No.3948920

>>3948909
Sometimes they invade any home that have their lights off because they assume closed lights = nobody home.

>> No.3948924

>>3948909
how would gun ownership help if you are not at home?

>>3948913
if you are asleep owning a gun doesn't help against burglars or assassins, unless they are incompetent

like others have said, evidence suggests gun ownership is more dangerous than non-ownership

>> No.3948926

>>3948908
That's a completely unsubstantiated statement.
I don't know any data but even assuming the likely event that there is a solid correlation between gun ownership and increased risk of death, that fails to account for a huge number of factors from education and firearm training to criminal background and involvement. Whether or not it is in the darwinian interest of a particular individual to own a gun is much harder to calculate.

>> No.3948929

>>3948032
What if they broke in with the intent to love and marry me?

>> No.3948933

>>3948929
Then you could still have a gun battle.

YEEEEAAAAAAH

>> No.3948936

>>3948929
There's no correlation between good intentions and illegally breaking into homes.

>> No.3948938

>>3948924
I think I'll trust my personal experience that most people, especially most people with an interest in guns, are so incredibly fucking hopelessly retarded that them hurting themselves when using dangerous objects is pretty much inevitable, and I am not a fucking idiot and know basic gun safety.

I honestly don't even own a gun, my parents never did either, but if your reason for not owning one is because you are literally afraid of fucking shooting yourself, fuck.

>> No.3948942

>>3948936
Care to give me one instance of an ultimately bad intention?

>> No.3948943

my door has a metal frame and my house isn't made of sticks (i'm not american) so actually it would take a fuck of a lot more than that to get into my house. in fact my brother once threw a dining chair at our front window and it bounced off the triple glazing so i'd say we're pretty fucking secure.

and remember; your house doesn't have to be impregnable, just harder to get into than the houses next door.

>> No.3948965

if you have a gun and you get robbed/mugged you're 3.5 times more likely to be killed. also if you have a child and a gun; over 7 and a half thousand american children are hurt or killed by guns PURELY ACCIDENTALLY each year.

having a gun for safety is a placebo. it actually makes you and your family dramatically LESS safe. you may now commence your irrelevant anecdotal stories about how your uncle jed fought off 10 angry negros with his service revolver.

>> No.3948971

>>3948938
There are risks associated with gun ownership other than the Cobain/Hemingway/Private Pyle mentality.
*You could be disarmed by the intruder, and shot.
*A family member/friend could find the gun.
*A shot fired at an intruder could ricochet.
*You could mistake a friend/family member for an intruder and kill them.
*You could kill an intruder and end up in jail (if in UK).

Isn't it just wiser to move out of Compton, do some push ups and keep a baseball bat by the bed?

>> No.3948972

*BOOM*

*BOOM*

*CRASH*

*BOOM*

*BOOM*

*CRASH*

BUDDY YOU'RE A BOY MAKE A BIG NOISE

PLAYING IN THE STREET GONNA BE A BIG MAN SOMEDAY


That's all it takes for Freddie mercury to rock you,why don't you won a gun?

>> No.3948998

>>3948972
"Put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead"

OH GOD IT'S TRUE

>> No.3949012

>>3948965
>if you have a gun and you get robbed/mugged you're 3.5 times more likely to be killed.
critical thinking here, what type of people are most likely to carry guns while walking in the street?
>over 7 and a half thousand american children are hurt or killed by guns PURELY ACCIDENTALLY each year.
thats tragic but its a combination of poor parenting and poor gun safety. i dont have a child so i cant say how i would feel if i did, but i would certainly not leave a loaded gun lying around the house, i would carefully explain to my kids that if they ever try to touch or play with my guns i will beat the living fuck out of them, and i hope by the point at which my kids can figure out how to load a gun on their own they will have enough common sense not to play with it like a toy. fuck common sense, ill tell them how idiotic it is.
>>3948971
>*You could be disarmed by the intruder, and shot.
the chances of my home being invaded by an intruder with enough balls and fighting ability to disarm me and then shoot me are so infinitesimally small that to seriously consider that scenario is ludicrous.
>*A family member/friend could find the gun.
>*You could mistake a friend/family member for an intruder and kill them.
gun safety is not hard
a lot of people are fucking retards and do not know or care about gun safety
these people should not own guns
i am not one of these people
>*You could kill an intruder and end up in jail (if in UK).
in US
>*A shot fired at an intruder could ricochet.
wtf, ricochet directly back and hit me? no, just no

nothing wrong with a baseball bat its obviously nowhere near as effective as a gun for anything except hitting baseballs

>> No.3949023

>>3948971

actually in the uk if you kill an intruder you will be arrested automatically while they investigate, but if all you did was kill someone who broke in (in other words it's not a story to cover up an actual murder) then you'll be released without charge. you don't get put in prison for defending your home and killing someone in the process.

it's similar to what happens with firearms police; they're automatically suspended during an investigation to ensure that the killing was justified, then when the investigation is over they go back to work.

>> No.3949028

>>3949012
> me me me

this isn't about you, it's about advocating gun ownership for others