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1. There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all of its citizens.2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.3. A home is considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home.... Gaddafi’s father died while him, his wife and his mother were still living in a tent.4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 83%.6. Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,00014. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.1515. 25% of Libyans have a university degree16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country." Makes you think, doesn't it?

>> No.3940493

All that education must have been shit if they decided to pointlessly uprise against this helpful leader.

>> No.3940494

>There are no electricity bills in Libya
The citizens still paid it with taxes.
>There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned
The citizens still paid it with taxes.
>Education and medical treatments are free in Libya
The citizens still paid it with taxes.
>free
>free
>free

Not to digress too much from your point, but nobody was giving free labor to the government and its citizens

>> No.3940499

Too bad he antagonized the west.

I for one am glad that he's gone.

>> No.3940503

Any fact check on this copypasta yet?

>> No.3940511

Where'd the money to hand out come from?

>> No.3940514

>>3940465
>Makes you think, doesn't it?

Makes me think you dont know what "free" means...

>> No.3940516

Poshy Gemini
They had rights to be pissed off, and it is probably good he is no longer leading the government, but this is exactly what we saw with Iraq and then later found out 1. half the photos were not about the people being happy and 2. it was not the majority, just the same clips being repeated. He did have bloody hands, just like Bush has just like many western rules have. That doesn't justify how he was treated and what happened. If they are so against what he stood for and what he did or didn't do, why do the same? Thats just hypocritical. No pictures of Osama but pictures of Ghaddafi all over the world in graphic content.
Yesterday at 8:08pm

>> No.3940524

>>3940511
oil royalties I guess.

>> No.3940539

>>3940524
>$50,000 to all newlyweds
They don't have THAT much oil.

>> No.3940544

Geez, with all that awesome stuff it makes you wonder why he needed to brutally repress his citizens, and why they staged a popular uprising against him.

Probably because this shit was promised but never delivered, and the asshole preyed off the hopes and dreams of his countrymen.

>> No.3940550

Are you fucking serious
admit it, the only reason you're feeling sorry for the opressive dictator fuck is because america got involved, thats it.

If any other country had pitched in, you'd all be saying good riddance to gedaffi

You people are petty as fuck

>> No.3940560

>>3940550
France did take the lead on this one bro.

>> No.3940561

>>3940544

this.

>> No.3940578

>>3940503
i just checked the exchange rate and 60k LYD (libyan dinars) is about 50k USD. other than that i have no clue

>> No.3940583

I really wish Gaddafi would rise on the third day, that guy is cool. New Libya will be crap.

>> No.3940612

R.I.P. Gaddafi. You will be sorely missed. You've donated to Africa more than all of the Western countries combined. People will regret killing you once Libya starts descending into chaos from another civil war between secularists, Islamists, and ethnic factions.

>> No.3940645

Might have something to do with this dipshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#Elimination_of_dissent

>> No.3940648
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3940648

Nobody be fact checking up in this thread

>> No.3940653

"If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found."

This can't be right.

>> No.3940659

>>3940560
Major part in ending it too.

Air strike that took out his convoy was french.

>> No.3940735

ITT: mostly baseless opinions

Most of you don''t know anything about Gaddafi, what he did or did not do for or to his people, etc. Western governments, the same ones who have been smiling and shaking his hand for decades, finally decided it was in their best interests to eliminate him, and then went into full-spin mode to get the public support they needed to do it.

You have no idea to what degree the reports of popular uprisings are true. It might be the vast majority. It might be a minority. In either case the dissenters may have been incited by foreign forces through direct incentives and/or astroturfing. Or maybe it was authentic.

What you have seen is mostly what someone has wanted you to see. Unless either you or people you know live in Libya, you have no idea what the truth really is.

The only thing I'm fairly sure of is that the NTC will have the "liberators" balls-deep up their arse for years to come as they exploit Libya for all that they can (exclusive oil deals, etc). After all the money they've spent on "protecting civilians", they need to recuperate some of the costs.

>> No.3940744

Housing in Libya:
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/4032/World/Region/Libya-protest-over-housing-enters-its-
third-day.aspx

>> No.3940768

It's funny that the Western governments never mentioned anything about liberating Somalia, despite the obvious bad shit that's happening in there. Obviously, there's nothing much there to exploit: no gold, no oil, no diamonds. It's always about money.

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3940927

Everybody line up Alpha male body in the house

>> No.3940940

>>3940927
Those women got raped by the rebels.

>> No.3940954

>everything free
>money comes out of thing air

Strong European logic ITT

>> No.3940992

>EVERYTHING IS FREE OMG
>MONEY AND LABOR JUST COMES OUT OF NOWHERE OMG
Europeans/10

>> No.3941008

>laundry list of socialist policies in Libya
>Libya was a failed state that couldnt even provide enough to placate its own people
yep, sounds about right

>> No.3941009

>the government has to pay for all my stuff
>but its all free of course! that money isn't coming from me in any way!
Wow, surprised Libya hasn't joined the EU yet

>> No.3941018

>Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally
THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING
IF YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING AND DO NOT HAVE AT LEAST A BA IN ECONOMICS, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS AT ALL

>> No.3941019

So who's the next "despot" that the US will fuck over? Any bets?

>> No.3941033

Video extremely related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

>> No.3941035

I know he was framed and executed for trying to unite Africa, but sauces for >>3940465 ?

>> No.3941070

I can confirm its all 100% real. The country is just so rich that they were able to afford all this. Its not just free labor. There is only like 6 million people as well

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>>3940954
>you pay for it with your taxes

I'm pretty sure most people who argue in favour of government programs know this. I know I do when I argue in favour of a government program.

Take paying the average salary to unemployed people, for example. You get nowhere by attacking people who believe this money comes from nowhere, this a a straw-man. It reduces the debate to a facepalmingly basic tutorial about how taxes work.

I believe that a society where people gain or lose large amounts of money based on chance is bad. So distributing the random loss caused by unemployment amongst the population is good.

Now if you argue that unemployment is only random enough to justify paying <span class="math">half[/spoiler] of the average salary, or that any amount of compensation will encourage laziness, then you are getting somewhere.


Anyway, I'm not listening to you pro-gaddafi conspiracy theorists until I see some sources. I hate how conspiracy theorists enjoy alternative beliefs, and as a result, lower the standard of evidence. Beliefs are usually alternative because they are improbable, which should demand a <span class="math">higher[/spoiler] standard of evidence.

And finally, check'em.

>> No.3941182

>>3941161
>government will pay 50% toward my car
>gas stupidly cheap
>I can take out a loan and start a business
wtf this kicks the shit out of my country.

>> No.3941191

It must be nice to have a lot of oil and a small population.

>> No.3941205

>>3940768
Um, maybe there would be some talk of liberating Somalia if there existed some sort of government or central authority from which to liberate the country.

Yeah, installing an actual democratic government (LOL) would probably be good for Somalia but calling it "liberation" would be a misnomer.

>> No.3941240

>>start spouting shit about turning libya into a direct-democratic state of the masses

>>nope, just kidding, that's just a rubber stamp

I wonder if Gaddafi tried the system and found it inefficient, didn't like the idea of losing his control, or was just throwing a cynical populist sop to the lefties.

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>>3941191
Or a lot of stolen oil and a large population

>> No.3941257

>>3941247

Who the hell was it stolen from, the rocks in the desert?

>> No.3941259

>>3941240
If his approval rate was higher than most gained through a democracy, and the same freedoms were present, it's technically a better system.

But I can't find his approval rates, or if they exist.

>> No.3941264

>>3941257
>Things that are left in Iraq

>> No.3941269

>>3941259

No way in an autocratic police state to tell if they are genuine or coerced.

I still find the use of authoritarian methods combined with libertarian socialist rhetoric to be pretty disgusting.

>> No.3941281

>>3941259
>country just forcibly overthrew its government after a months-long civil war sparked by a violent crackdown on protests calling for its end
>approval rates
I think it's time you stop posting.

>> No.3941295

>>3941269
bank controlled media in a democratic police state

It sounds counterintuitive, but it could work. Puppet governments and empire building under the guise of security are comparably appauling.

>> No.3941308

>>3941295

>democratic
>police state

pick one.

The entire point of democracy is so people can get rid of shit like police states, and the entire point of police states is to silence dissent.

>> No.3941314

>>3941281
>country
>including the NATO funded rebel forces
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14712841

>> No.3941313

If you have to bribe an official to get something, it isn't free.

>> No.3941331

>>3940744
>The Libyan government has run subsided housing projects for poor families in several cities for years. However local authorities in some projects postponed the delivery of hundreds of housing units to the owners who have already signed contracts and paid most of the installments.

sounds like some corrupt stuff on the local government not gadaffi

>> No.3941338

>>3941314
Who funded whom and how the war ended is completely irrelevant. You just stated that you were unable to form an opinion without knowing the APPROVAL RATE of a country that just had a VIOLENT FUCKING CIVIL WAR. As the civil war was not between ethnic groups, it is obtuse to the point of absurdity to believe that a country's approval rate is more significant to literally anything than whether or not they have had a FUCKING CIVIL WAR in the last five years.

>> No.3941354

sure is science up in here

>> No.3941363

>>3941338
>Pay men to kill anyone who doesn't support glorious new government
>Call it civil war

>> No.3941410

>>3941308
You don't need to silence it if you just cover something else.

>> No.3941427

IR major here.

back in its day Libya was a huge welfare state, wouldn´tbe surprised if most of the things in the OP were true at some point or another, 2nd largest oil exporter in Africa with a population of just about 6 million people, a really fucking big part of them immigrants from sub sahran Africa and the arab world .

things to consider

-if you watch the news you might notice that a lot of the rebel fighters are black, with little north african characteristics, it is possible that the immigrants played a big role in overthrowing ghadafi since recently the government was starting to crack down on ilegal immigration when it started to become a problem for the nations economy (more than one in every six people in libya are immigrants)

-clearly the welfare state system was starting to decline, as proof of this, the fact that even though Gadafi had a technologicaly decent and numerically huge air force and mechanized cavalry (tanks) we rarely saw any action from them in the recent conflict

-oposition to the regime in Libya was fairly small and was due more to tribalistic beliefs rather than political ones, political opposition abroad was vocal but minuscule

dont want to make hazty generalizations but I guess I´ll do

-about a year ago I checked groups on facebook about ghadafi, for every anti gadhafi group there were a shitton of pro ghadafi groups

-on a recent phone interview with one of the protesters on Bahrain the interviewer asked her what they were rioting about, her answer, "we´re not sure but we hope we can overthrow the government soon"

-I have some north african arab relatives (not lybian though) who do nothing but whine and complain about how horrible their country is, yet, I as a latinfag know that things in my country are way worse and I know that they have it better back there but for some reason it just seems arabs are exagerated as fuck and love to complain about anything.