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http://www.marxist.com/capitalism-versus-science.htm

>> No.3930763

> marxism
> .htm
I lol'd, someone has to be so pissed every day.

>> No.3930760

> marxist.com

stopped reading there

>> No.3930803

not a bad article actually.

It basically tells us what we already know, it doesn't go so far as to sell marxism as an alternative; it's up to society to determine how to replace devisive competition, but marxism is at least a few steps further in the right direction than capitalism.

Inb4 ihaytmarxism because my mommy and daddy's mommy and daddy fought in the war for freedom and apple pie

>> No.3930809

I tend to agree. Healthcare shouldn't be for profit and it hinders progression to an extent, especially in an already established market. I don't really see a viable alternative, but it sure isn't communism.

>> No.3930821

>>3930803
>my mommy and daddy's mommy and daddy fought in the war for freedom and apple pie

I was under the impression that the existence of the 'Liberal Arts' degree indicates we lost the war against Marxist Communism?

>> No.3930828

>>3930809
the solution is some sort of fascism

>> No.3930841

>>3930821
It is. We don't call it Communism anymore though. We call it legislated equality now.

>> No.3930879

>>3930763I don't get it. Are you implying that the private industry motivated by profit developed the technology and standards needed for interlinking computer communications?

>> No.3930892

>private industry motivated by profit developed the technology and standards needed for interlinking computer communications?

>Implying it couldn't have been developed in another system of economics if that is what we had been using at the time

>But, capitalism gave us EVERYTHING!

No, humans gave us all this technology working within the capitalistic system. They would have given us all this technology within communism and they would have probably given us the same technology under feudalism.

>> No.3930905

the technology used for the internet was developed by government funding and initiatives. Not for profit, but as a collective defense project.

>> No.3930909

>>3930740
You should try to live in eastern Europe in 1950s or 1970s and we'll see how healthy and free your life would be, smart ass. It was kinda Orwell's 1984, at least in Czechoslovakia. You'll never know what suffering is until you try some Marxism realized by current real mankind. Marxism is nice in theory but totally impossible in reality.

>> No.3930916

Oh yeah, keep pretending that it was capitalism that gave all this stuff, and not CHEAP OIL. You delusional asscocks.

>> No.3930922

>>3930909
>implying marxism is nice in theory
>implying ussr was attempting to put marxism in practice, and not just using marxism as an excuse for dictatorship

>> No.3930924

>>3930909

>Marxism is nice in theory but totally impossible in reality.

Right there. Past failures of imagination =/= complete impossibility.

Marxism can work. It just needs a group of passionate intelligent legislators to bring it about that use technology to coordinate resources. Most of the former problems with marxism is that the government used 'hurr durr marxism' as a cover for totalitarianism. Which marxism doesnt have to be. True marxism is anarchistic.

>> No.3930925

Oh yeah, keep pretending that it was capitalism that gave all this stuff, and not HIS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. You delusional asscocks.

>> No.3930934

>>3930924

Socio-cyberneering...aka the Venus Project. It will solve everything.

>> No.3930935

>>3930922
This. It was socialism, not communism.

>> No.3930945

>>3930879
.htm is a common extension from Microsoft tools.

>> No.3930938

>>3930909
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, the United States has practiced Marxist ideas since the 50s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQoGMtE0EY

Ya niggas got subverted and shit yo!

Just because you are given the explicit freedom to pursue your own personal consumption at all costs, doesn't mean you are free.

Run a stop sign in front a a police officer at 2 in the morning without another person to be endangered by that situation and see how free you are.

Another good exercise in freedom is trying to exist on a piece of land that was bought and sold long before you were even born to be consulted on the decision.

>> No.3930948

>>3930924
>'hurr durr marxism' as a cover for totalitarianism
Also a lot of 'hurr durr, lets kill everyone vaguely intelligent or successful in the past system.'

>> No.3930950

>>3930924
Marxism doesn't work. Nothing marxist works. Look at social marxism. It always leads to disaster.

>> No.3930955

>>3930938
>implying the united states has had practices to make it a stateless, classless society with common ownership in the last 60 years

>> No.3930957

I like marxism but i hate when people try to make entire countries adopt it.

You want a socialist marxist utopia? Start one. Get a bunch of people, buy some land, start a commune.

STop fucking acting like starting a revolution will do anything more than legitimize the power you're fighting against. The way to dissolve capitalism and society's current structure is an evolution of human thought. This can only occur through action, through creating communes and stepping outside of the capitalist rat race.

>> No.3930965

>>3930924
They did that because if they were to install a democracy people could vote against communism and everything they vote for, It's a huge flaw.

>> No.3930970

>>3930945
what the FUCK

are you smoking?

>> No.3930973

>>3930957
Tell that to Marxist Leninists. They have been incredibly successful here in America.

See 'Affirmative Action' for an example.

>> No.3930975

>>3930950

Communes have existed in the world for years and are thriving. What is this 'not work' of which you speak? There are some very old communes out there.

>> No.3930980

It's true that just about every enterprise requires an initial start up investment from a publicly controlled institution that couldn't possibly hope to recoup that never-mind profit. But the profits, if the enterprise is successful, more than pay that back indirectly.

Sitting on capital with various strategies described and those including obsolescence just hold back progress.

This is all just more evidence for that fact that we can't function without a publicly controlled mediator and regulator.

>> No.3930986

>>3930965

>if they were to install a democracy people could vote against communism and everything they vote for, It's a huge flaw.

I dont like democracy. We understand that children sometimes need to be forced to do things for their betterment. Forced to do homework, forced to stop eating sweets. Where did this idea come from that humanity knows whats best for it? That a massive group of people, socially stratified, with different religious views and different skin color and culture, can come together, vote, and execute a consistent intelligent policy?

It doesnt work folks. Democracy is mob rule and its stupid. People need to be in small groups, unified by a common creed, skin color, heritage, and mythology.

I like city state - tribal political/economic theory

>> No.3930989

>>3930980
Which is the entire point of capitalism. To allocate and de-allocate capital. However, as the system progresses it seems to incur difficulties as the capital becomes more and more centralized by companies that have, through luck or skill, accumulated enough capital to make more capital just by using the capital they already have.

Hence the mess we are in as of 2008.

>> No.3930991

Why are professors marxist?

>> No.3931004

>>3930924
Hell yeah! Marxism can work but not with people! There was this testing group of people a hundred years ago in USA (or England, now sure right now). Few dozens of chosen honest people were place in closed community and their job was to live in Marxism way. Few months later these people robbed everything from this place and run away.

>> No.3931006

>>3930991
Because our education system was subverted by Marxists a long time ago. See Yuri Bezmenov on youtube if you are interested in how this happened. Motherfucker is smart ( and disappeared so he must have been on to something ).

>> No.3931007

>>3930965
Yes if those living under totalitarian regimes were spontaneously given the right to vote, they would vote against a totalitarian regime. What's your point

>> No.3931012

one problem of marxism is its extreme view of markets, similar to the unrealistic view of austrians

you can't completely control markets and prices and wages...and you shouldn't let them be totally unregulated

the right balance is a mixed economy

>> No.3931018
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3931018

>>3931006
>(and disappeared so he must have been on to something )

>> No.3931021

>>3930938
You're confusing meanings of freedom and anarchy.

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3931023

>>3931012
>as we can see nowadays, everything is fine and it couldn't have be any better

>> No.3931024

>>3930991
>Why are professors marxist?

They're not, in general. The real trend is for educated people to be liberal, which conservatives call "marxist."

>> No.3931025

>>3931007
They would vote against everything they "were" for I meant, it was a typo. As in they could vote against the revolutionaries and everything they fought for.

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3931038

>>3931018
>1939-1997?

That leads me to believe no one willing to discuss it has any clue what happened to him. He just fell off the face of the planet in 1997.

>> No.3931049

>>3931038
If you read the discussion section of the wikipedia article, he apparently died in a car crash. But he heard it from an acquaintance of Yuri and no one knows for sure

>> No.3931064

>>3930970
Just the way it is.

>> No.3931067

>>3931049
Car crashes are a favorite of the intelligence forces to eliminate people. I believe William Cooper discussed numerous attempts in this manner to eliminate him.

So either way the equation doesn't add up. My money is on certain people wanting him to shut the fuck up.

>> No.3931082

>>3931064
yeah, no
.htm is short for .html which is just a standard for hyper-text markup language. It's a fucking standard. If anything, Microsoft has attempted, to the misery of any web-designer, to stray away from the standard.

>> No.3931092

>>3931082
I think he might be thinking of .CHM which is generally formatted using the same principals as HTML.

>> No.3931097

>>3931082
".htm" is ".html" in three letters for extension because of FAT file system

>> No.3931111

Let me help you folks along.

Politics are practiced philosophy. In philosophy, views differ from individual to individual, and the only right answer is the answer each one of those individuals are to believe is true. When you introduce a new political outlook into a foundation based entirely upon one that differs, you're going to get what we have in America today, and what we had in America during the 30s and 60s. A bunch of righteous people thinking theory way is the best way which will end up leading to civil unrest.

To succeed in a world of these different prospective we need to understand they are just ideas; none of which are correct to the mass, but may be correct for the individual. To treat each political ideology like its the only way this are going to succeed in itself is a righteous practice of fascism which will always breed discontent--this goes for everyone; stop being pretentious.

>> No.3931116

>>3931111

Excuse the autocorrect typos, posted from my phone at class.

>> No.3931124

>>3931097
Since when did FAT not support 4 letter extensions? Wouldn't that mean that FAT could only support 8bit Word sizes? I thought it was capable of 16bit word sizes?

>> No.3931129

>>3931111
Humans need a common goal to work towards. All this 'to each his own' bullshit is destroying us.

Let the fucking aliens invade already.

>> No.3931137

>>3931124
It's called "8.3 filename"

>> No.3931141

>>3931129

Funny you mention that. I've always toyed with the idea of creating a world enemy in which everyone could unite and come together in order to thwart, thus creating a brothership which would put these petty squabbles to rest. I'm onboard with the alien idea.

>> No.3931145

>>3931141
>I'm onboard with the alien idea.

you will be one of the first people to die

>> No.3931147

>>3931137
Thanks! I didn't have a fucking clue. You just added to the cumulative knowledge base of humanity.

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3931157

What does /sci/ think about Technocracy?

I like the idea, but my friend says the logically based system ends up evolving into nazism..

>> No.3931186

>>3931111
>>3931111
>>3931111

quads speak truth and wisdom.

>> No.3931190

>>3931157

>Technocracy
>my friend says the logically based system ends up evolving into nazism

Your friend is retarded.

>> No.3931191

>>3931157
And what does your friend think nazism is? Isn't he from USA?

>> No.3931199

>>3931191
>>3931190
He thinks that it doesn't take into account emotions or something along those lines. I kind of ignored him, but wondered if that was the general concenses, it seems not though, which is good.

>> No.3931214

>>3931157

Having read quite a bit on technocracy, I can safely conclude its essentially like Marxism. Great, idealistic theory, but no information on how to implement it or how to solve a lot of fundamental problems (particularly human nature). Looked more like a thought experiment than a viable plan -- I mean, even Marxism at least addressed how to transition governments. Traditional technocracy (the 1930-50 movement) doesn't even touch basic things like that.

>> No.3931220

>>3930763
>>3930945
>>3931064
>>3931124
>>3931147
noobs? in my /sci/?

>> No.3931223

> marxist.com

And you think that this is in some way, NOT biased... interesting... do you somtimes see flashes of light at night when there are no lights on aswell? Any strange sounds coming and going aswell?

>> No.3931226

>>3931214

Also, same problem. The crippling issue with the Soviet Union was never intelligence -- they had tons of scientists who could work fairly freely so long as they avoided certain taboos. No, the crippling issue is corruption. There's no reason to think meritocratic dictatorships would be any less corrupt than proletarian dictatorships

>> No.3931231

>>3931214
>particularly human nature

Good thing we don't have to solve that problem because it doesn't exist.

Human nature is what we make it. Our environment shapes our nature.

Thousands of years ago it was human nature to throw our feces at each other. Do we need to solve that problem today because it is 'human nature'? No. Our nature is toilets now.

>> No.3931233

>>3931157
Two years ago Czech politics were like: "Well, we really fucked up this time. Time to establish government of people who know, how to deal with this shit." So they took really educated intellectuals. That was nice and peacefull six months.