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Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:46:50 2011 No.3905052 [Reply] [Original]

If the universe had a definite beginning and all matter was focused at one point in time, and this point was 13.7 billion earthyears ago, the universe can't be much bigger than 27.4 billion lightyears in diameter (Implying it expands in every direction) Let's have a fair discussion without flame wars. Some know more than others, that's okay. Calm down before you post.

Right or wrong? Why/Why not? Interesting discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:47:50 2011 No.3905057 File: 15 KB, 300x207, george-costanza.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2011 >thinking neutrino spaceships cant reach outside the universe

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:47:50 2011 No.3905055 maybe

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:48:50 2011 No.3905059 >lightyears I'd like to point out that we should say "c-years". Never mind the word light. Just think of it as the distance anything travelling at exactly c would reach in an earth-year.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:50:50 2011 No.3905068

>>3905057
Outside the universe is an undefined quantity. What is "outside" everything? If something exists, then it is part of the universe. If something is outside the universe then it is outside the set of things which exist, so by definition it does not exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:51:50 2011 No.3905070 File: 24 KB, 445x445, 131431979278.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2011 >thinking that speed of light wasn't an evolutionary mechanism for survival of species

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:52:50 2011 No.3905078 Oh you mean known or observable universe. Sorry, I was just reading one of those religious arguments.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:52:50 2011 No.3905082 >>3905059 I'd like to point out that ur a faget.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:53:50 2011 No.3905085 OP, I find this interesting because I've read a lot on the internet that the observable universe seems to be 150 billion lightyears. So what the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:53:50 2011 No.3905086 Damnit /sci/ the circular logic is unfathomable...The Sun is always....ALWAYS aligned with Ophiuchus.....

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:53:52 2011 No.3905087 File: 172 KB, 300x384, 1310671941714683.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905068 >2011 >Claiming all that exists must only be contained within the universe without ever having left mom's basement. >ISHYGDDT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:55:50 2011 No.3905098 god is just one way of looking at things

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:56:50 2011 No.3905104
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>>3905082

okay christfag, the burden of proof is on YOU to provide proof because the burden lays on the proof claimer. if i say spaaghetti leprocan unicorn exists i must provide burden of proof. its the null hyperthesis. you must not know how to use logic or your brain. you should die while i become a transhuman and live forever

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:56:50 2011 No.3905103 >If Your mental picture of the big bang and expansion is completely wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:57:50 2011 No.3905106 neutrinoes mean is can be infinite because 13.7 bill * c++ = infinitey

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:57:50 2011 No.3905108 >>3905085 Space itself is expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light, or it did at one point. As its space, it obviously does not violate the limit of the speed of limit. I'd like a source for that 150 billion figure, though

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:57:50 2011 No.3905110 >>3905108 What is space?

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:58:50 2011 No.3905113

>>3905068

Our definition of universe is just a concept created to quantify a set location of known matter. What you're suggesting is little more than philosophy. You fail to understand that we have no final answer, thus the realm of possibility is currently an exponent on a scale of theories and intuitive reasoning.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:58:50 2011 No.3905114

>>3905087
1/10 for making me respond.
"The Universe" is defined as the set of all things which exist. The universe isn't a box with an inside and an outside. Saying something is "outside" the universe is like talking about a positive integer less than 1. By definition, it doesn't exist.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:58:50 2011 No.3905115

>>3905108
http://www.universetoday.com/37409/how-big-is-the-universe/

>Recent measurements reveal that the Universe is at least 150 billion light-years in diameter. For comparison, its age is estimated to be about 13.7 billion years. Doesn’t make sense does it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:59:50 2011 No.3905118 >>3905104 I fail to see the connection between your post and quoted post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 07:59:52 2011 No.3905117 File: 106 KB, 461x403, 9711284.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2011 >Thinking that FTL travel isn't possible when we have transhuman quantum-neutrino sagan computers >ISHYGDDT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:01:50 2011 No.3905129 >>3905114 Hey bro, that's great your arguing semantics and all... but we have terms observable and unobservable universe for a reason. Put done the dictionary and get on the same page.

Cosby Sat Oct 15 08:01:50 2011 No.3905127

Okay christfag, the null hypothe burden of is on YOU to use logic or your brain. you should die while i because logic or your brain. you should die while i say christfag, the null hypothe burden of become a transhuman and live forever. Okay spaghetti leprovide burden of claimer. it's the burden lays on YOU to use logic or your brain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:01:50 2011 No.3905128 File: 81 KB, 500x688, 1314561720807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905114 "Saying something is "outside" the universe is like talking about a positive integer less than 1." >2011 >0 is a positive integer less than 1 >ISHYGGDT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:02:50 2011 No.3905137 > thus the realm of possibility is currently an exponent on a scale of theories and intuitive reasoning. Wut? Does this sentence make sense in your head?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:03:50 2011 No.3905145 >>3905128 Saying something is outside the universe is by definition an oxymoron, like "there's too much white in that black", or "closing a closed door".

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:04:50 2011 No.3905146

>>3905127

1/10

Ok you clearly don't realize what it means to be burden claimer of proof. Have you ever even read Dawkins? He knows (because he scientist) that life came from singularity of universe and then exploded into self replicating molticules that formed into monkeys and humans. Jesus is obviously wrong because Dawkins says he is because Dawkins knows everything about how life started and universe began. Religion is just cancer to society and atheism is for peace love degrasse. All christfags should die because ahtiem is about knowing all and love

>>	Cosby Sat Oct 15 08:05:50 2011 No.3905153 File: 320 KB, 800x600, Cosby-Flawless-Victory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905146

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:06:50 2011 No.3905156 File: 11 KB, 452x66, WTFCaptcha.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905128 0 isn't positive. It's non-negative. Unrelated: How do I enter a captcha in latin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:06:50 2011 No.3905167 >>3905156 ya dont

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:07:50 2011 No.3905168 >>3905146 >He knows because he believes scientists. ftfy

>>	Cosby Sat Oct 15 08:07:50 2011 No.3905170 File: 95 KB, 620x350, Bill_Cosby_braindamage2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:08:52 2011 No.3905177 >>3905156 That might be greek. And the magic accepted word that captchas accept whenever the code is made of weird letters is "nigger". Try it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:09:50 2011 No.3905178
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>>3905156

"0 isn't positive. It's non-negative."

That's like saying "my mom isn't a whore, she just likes to suck black dicks while sitting on two dildos."

If it's not negative, it has the positive dawg. Learn to numbers.

Pic related, its nortie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:10:50 2011 No.3905183 >>3905177 Fuck greek, not latin. well there goes my credibility...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:10:50 2011 No.3905184 >>3905178 omg so tru

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:11:50 2011 No.3905188 >>3905156 Hint: You don't have to get any letters of that second word, correctly... you just need an equal amount of digits. goeapli happy ...would work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:11:50 2011 No.3905190 >>3905184 true* christfag detected, learn to grammer

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:14:50 2011 No.3905208 File: 85 KB, 838x627, trolling.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905190 >christfag detected omg so tru, i lyk ur pesistense

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:17:50 2011 No.3905226
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>>3905208

okay you just mad that you lost argument of athiesm vs christianity. all because u can memorize what carl sagen says doesnt mean your the next dawkins. learn to come up with a non-regorgititaed argument. u just mad because i goto MIT and im alpha and your beta

>brb geting blowjob need a cum kllenex

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:25:50 2011 No.3905271 >>3905226 Honestly, brah, I feel sorry for you that'd you'd go to such lengths to troll.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:26:50 2011 No.3905276 File: 10 KB, 365x280, jay-leno-close-up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3905271 0/10. calling me a troll is a bad trolling attempt

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:30:50 2011 No.3905292 >>3905276 Oh, sorry. It's hard to tell legit posts from troll ones because of how much trolling that goes on here :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:31:50 2011 No.3905298 Atheists: 0 Christians: 0 Trolls: 10000000000000

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:33:50 2011 No.3905307 >>3905298 It's OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDD

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 08:39:50 2011 No.3905325

Didn't read the whole thread, but it seems to have devolved into some form of /b/ faggotry.
To anyone that hoped to actually learn something from this thread please follow this link for a layman's explanation of the big bang model: http://msowww.anu.edu.au/~charley/papers/LineweaverDavisSciAm.pdf

Hope it helps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 10:07:50 2011 No.3905502 >>3905128 uh no its not 0 is not positive.

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