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Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:40:58 2011 No.3903704 [Reply] [Original]

Lets say I take a person and destroy them, right down to their atomic bonds. Simultaneously I create an exact duplicate that is indistinguishable from the original by all conceivable methods of measurement. This copy looks, acts, and thinks exactly like the original. Can it really be said that this isn't the same person?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:41:58 2011 No.3903712 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:41:58 2011 No.3903715 >>3903704 No. End thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:41:58 2011 No.3903710 why does it matter. admins please ban

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:42:58 2011 No.3903718 no cuz theres no soul in the second one and wont live

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Fri Oct 14 22:46:58 2011 No.3903740 It's another instance of that person. Just like how instancing works for software.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:50:58 2011 No.3903760 >>3903704 The person in question is not strictly the same from one moment to the next. So an exact copy is also not the same person. But the question is irrelevant. Grow up, disregard philosophy and acquire currency.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:52:58 2011 No.3903770 >>3903704 Say I print out a document, they I burn it. While I am burning it, I print it out again. Is it the same doucment? YOUR REASONING IS SHIT.

>>	sage sage Fri Oct 14 22:54:58 2011 No.3903773 File: 93 KB, 485x563, you_fail-12825.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3903718 >soul 0/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:55:58 2011 No.3903774 >>3903770 Yes. It contains all the same information.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 22:59:58 2011 No.3903782

I always wondered about this is the teleporter is KILLING everybody that uses it but the copies dont know any different so to them its all fine but the original did of course die horribly IT FREAKS ME OUT MAN Kirk #95643 gets green bitches in space and original me can barely get my wife to blow me shit is not fair

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:01:58 2011 No.3903791 File: 56 KB, 525x790, 1312509884235.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3903774 Ok, if that is your reasoning, then the "copy" of you is actually the same person. That is the right answer. Your prize is tits! \thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:04:58 2011 No.3903803 The copy is you to the observer. But for you yourself, being the original, from your point of view you are gone. You cease to be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:06:58 2011 No.3903812 >>3903791 Insomuch as the copy thinks it is the original, yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:48:58 2011 No.3903889 >Can it really be said that this isn't the same person? Not the same person. Don't worry, though. The concept you're trying to understand is a non-issue. You technically aren't the same person you were a moment ago either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:54:58 2011 No.3903895 Same person.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:54:58 2011 No.3903896

How do you know it doesn't disassemble them down to the atomic level and then transport the atoms over a space @ or faster then the speed of light through the use of a worm hole? Maybe atoms have the innate ability to pass through space time?

Perhaps in a De-materializing, worm hole extension gate?

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:56:58 2011 No.3903897

>>3903782

The Star Trek teleporters clearly just kill the person and then produce a perfect duplicate on the other end. Watch the episode of TNG where they go to the abandoned space station where Riker used to work. It turns out theres a clone of Riker still there where the teleporter was able to transmit Rikers data about but malfunctioned before it obliterated the original.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:59:58 2011 No.3903900 Unclear definition of "the same". Yes, it is identical to and "same" as the original, no it's not "the same" individual, because his conciousness vanished when you destroyed him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:00:58 2011 No.3903903 >>3903791 work safe board .jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:10:58 2011 No.3903924 >>3903896 The mechanism is unimportant. All that matters is that the original is destroyed and a perfect copy is made.

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 00:17:58 2011 No.3903938

>>3903704
I'm tired of seeing this shit. Clones aren't you. That's it. Stop making these threads you samefag. You do this every month, stop it. If you "destory" something, it doesn't exist. If you create a copy of the thing you destroyed, it is literally a copy. That's it. It's a copy of the thing you destoryed. It isn't the same person, its a copy of the person you destroyed. A copy, not the same, the other one was destroyed. For a conscious to be kept, you must take it apart slowly and leave at least more than half because a brain cannot operate without at least 51% of itself existing. Not that hard people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 14:19:58 2011 No.3906566 ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!! †

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