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3902194 No.3902194 [Reply] [Original]

Do you think a city like the one in my pic will exist in year 2050?

>> No.3902196

2050, no
maybe 2100

>> No.3902197

no

>> No.3902199

The potential is there...we just have to find a sufficient energy resource that's sustainable...i.e Higgs-Boson..

>> No.3902202

No thats stupid we dont even have anything like that in 2050.

But in 2051 I bet everything will be exactly like that image.

>> No.3902207

>>3902199

nigra you delusional

>> No.3902208

No, it won't happen, OP. Peak Oil will happen in 2050, and from that point on, human civilization will decline.

>> No.3902214

Why would cities look that different? We don't tear down buildings for the hell of it, we keep using them until they break down to an extent where they are too costly to maintain. It's why cities have a mixture of old and new, mostly old.

>> No.3902218

>>3902208

Peak oil or not, it might mean that fewer people will have access to energy.

>> No.3902219

Reminds me of Tokyo at night

>> No.3902232

>>3902207

So basically you're saying you've never questioned your existence or why your here then...you just magically popped out of nothingness didn't you?

>> No.3902233

>>3902214
>We don't tear down buildings for the hell of it
Yes we do. Properties that change hands often get torn down or heavily remodeled.

>> No.3902245

>>3902232

I do everyday but I feel extremely pessimistic

>> No.3902247

The city looks too organized. Too many of the buildings "fit" together, as if the whole area had been designed and built from scratch at around the same time.

Other than that there's several things that are plain ineffective. They look good in a picture but you wouldn't find them in reality.

>> No.3902292

>>3902233
That's not "for the hell of it". My point was, whole cities are never aesthetically homogenous like that. It's always a mixture of old and new.

>> No.3902357

>>3902292
Have you ever been to Saudi Arabia? They've had areas go from desert to megatropolis in under fifteen years. All the buildings are new.

>> No.3902367

... how depressing. Not a single tree in that picture.

>> No.3902392

>>3902357
And now many are crumbling. Read up on what's happening to Dubai. And don't pretend that kind of growth is normal or sustainable.

>> No.3902398

>>3902392
You seem to be under the false assumption that I'm supportive of Saudi style urbanization and ignorant of it's flaws.

>> No.3902409

We might see this city only if they find a cure for AIDS first.

>> No.3902413

>>3902398
Just saying that as a counterexample to the claim that in general cities are a mixture of old and new structures, yours is a statistically insignificant one.

>> No.3902416

>>3902409

The genome has already been cracked by Gamers try again bro...

>> No.3902495

>>3902416
>>3902409
I read recently that a cure for AIDS is not possible, in the same way a vaccine for the common flu is impossible.

Of course, AIDS would be long gone if people stopped fuckign strangers, but nooooo. It seems the prospect of a slow, undignified, painful death doesn't stop them.

>> No.3902500

OP, have you ever been to Russia?

>> No.3902529

>>3902495
Show me an instance where dignity ACTUALLY stopped fucking forever.

>> No.3902553

>>3902495
There has been lots of strides on a cure for AIDS and there isn't a vaccine for the flu because it isn't the same every year.

>> No.3902636

>>3902529
You missed my point. Dying of AIDS is a really, really bad way to die. You just don't want anybody to slowly waste into a pus filled, disease ridden bacteria bag.

>> No.3903983

>>3902495
A premade cure. Eventually machines will have the basic aids template down and find a way to counter each and every mutation based on the person its examining.

The future is coming, and instead of custom drugs, it'll be custom treatment as a recurring service.

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3904585

By 2050 maybe we'll have something like pic related.

>> No.3904602

No, we won't have the energy. Unless the thoriumfags are right.

>> No.3904603

I fucking hope not.

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3904608

are you fucking kidding me, god you are such a fucking dumbass.

>> No.3904614

Radiation powering vehicles would be awesome Radiation powering radiated vehicles...it's motherfucking brilliant...thorium..ftw win...

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>>3904585
are you kidding, or just fucking stupid?

>> No.3904620

>>3904614

You just need to make a sensor just like that video of that another faggot OP posted a while ago about the Binary Radio Transmitter.

>> No.3904621

>>3904616
If you ignore the weaboo shit in the pic, what's wrong with it?

>> No.3904633

>>3904621
If I did that all I'd see are a few reinforced concrete pylons and steel struts which would be considered a safety hazard.

>> No.3904637

>>3904633
>steel struts
>concrete pylons
>2050

>> No.3904641

>>3902214

>We don't tear down buildings for the hell of it
Eurofag detected

>> No.3904648

Our cities will look exactly the same as they do now.. Maybe street lights will be using LED's and cars will look different, but the buildings will still be the same

>> No.3904653

>>3904637
You have your fantasies of carbon nanotube skyscrapers now but as the great peak oil depression, climate change, wars and various comings and goings roll by you will wake up 39 years later as an old man and remember when you used to live a comfortable middle class existence in a 1st world country, your thoughts will drift to this moment on the internet when you said there would be no reinforced concrete and steel pylons in major cities, then as you get up to look out of the window of your shanty town hovel you will see the short stubby skyscrapers of the super-rich in the distance that are almost as old as you are.

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3904658

I'm hoping for something like this.

>> No.3904659

I'd go with well thought out high rise housing and sky scrapers. Spaced out so they don't cast shadows on one another, the larger free space areas could be used for parks, utilities etc. Transport would be mostly automated with 'smart' grid management. Local Thorium reactors to provide electricity and excess heat used for heating for local buildings naturally

Just spending more than 30 seconds designing high rise housing would be a good start. Pre moulded concrete and ass designs really set us back in the UK's mindset

>> No.3904660

>>3904621
Too many sharp curves for the highways. Will slow traffic and dangerous too boot.

>> No.3904661

>>3904658

That's more like it

>> No.3904664

>>3902194

Earth will never look like that. By the time we're able to build shit that big and heavy we'll be on other planets. Cities won't get much bigger than they are now

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in hurr durr year we will have this hurr durr. pic related

>> No.3904667

>>3904665

Hilton Hotels circa 2300

>> No.3904673

>>3904665

The only real problem I can see is that it's not structurally sound.

>> No.3904676

>>3904665
That looks a bit... bulky. Is such a structure even possible?

>> No.3904682

>>3904653
>global warming

ahahhahhahahahah

>> No.3904687 [DELETED] 

>>3904653
I swear this is the same fucking nigger lurking here posting from africa.

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Decent amounts of glass (because light and openness is good) and concrete (for cost effectiveness) is how I'd imagine it. Though I can't see a city ever having too much green and open spaces because the land is worth too much.

I think the Halo universe is the closest guess at what the future city may look like*. Bright, clean and automated....space elevator would be nice, one can dream I guess

*If the morbid mother fuckers in this thread have nothing to do with it that is

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>>3904658
This is probably the best of these future cityscapes.

>> No.3904696

Think of the cities we have now with Maglev trains instead of subways. LFTR with desal plants next door and maybe farm towers.

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I think you gentlemen are forgetting an important fact.

Every city is going to look like This in 2012.

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>yfw this is the future

>> No.3904702

>>3904699

Oh right.. Thread over

>> No.3904710

>>3904688
>2500's

I think the developers of Halo were a little conservative. I think we can do better than that. I personally think the reason the buildings in halo look so modern and Generic, is to make distinguishable contrast between the alien technology.

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>> No.3904718

it took more than ten years just to build the Freedom Tower

what makes you think an entire city like the one in the picture can be made in less than fifty years?

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>> No.3904720

>>3904714

>Earth, circa. 4500.
>Earth is the center of commerce and trade in the middle of a quadrant wide civilization

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>> No.3904724

>>3904718

They actually didn't start building the Freedom Tower till 2006. And it took 6 Years to build the worlds tallest tower

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3904728

>yurope, circa 2300

>> No.3904731 [DELETED] 

>>3904728
>>3904728
>mfw i believe this

Wheres all the mosques though!? lolol

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Small cities circa 2050.

Every day the future looks a little bit brighter.

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>> No.3904735

>>3904728
Well maybe not uoorope but I can see this sort of image in our lifetime

>> No.3904736

>>3904734
Maybe in a Galaxy far far away

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most realistic scenario

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>> No.3904746

>>3904742
>>3904742
I actually dont mind this. This seems so peaceful, like getting back to nature.

A man can dream.

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>>3904742
luddite gonna luddite

>> No.3904750

>>3904749
Luddite? He's arguing that the Ewoks will invade, enslave humanity and colonize the earth with their own ecosystem and culture. He's on the other extreme of the spectrum.

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>> No.3904757

>>3904749
No kings or gods? Only Man?

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>>3904728
>mfw

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>meanwhile, earth circa 2050

>> No.3904770

>>3904759
>Revealing dress
>Trying to hide explosives

Bitch is going to look like block man coming towards them, still women engineer in electronics......that's just going to short out and she gun get raped

Fucking TOO DEEP FOR YOU types...

>> No.3904773

>>3904755
>>3904755
zomg sauce on thii~s please!!

>> No.3904779

>>3904767
>>3904767
>west philedelphia circa 2009

>> No.3904782

>>3904773

its just artwork i think

http://www.zerochan.net/Isai+Shizuka

>> No.3904806

Dubai looks closest to all these pics

>> No.3904807

>>3904782
>>3904782
Super thanks.

>> No.3904813

>>3902196
more like 2500

look at the world 50-100 years ago
it didn't change that much.
(Good example == european metropols).

This pic is showing a massive change.
I believe that certain elements already reached their "evolutionary peak"
for example the door handle, it didn't change since 200 years. You can't
make it much better or more efficient and same time CHEAPER. this is why
it probably will not even change even in 1000 years. U mad sci-fi fags? face it.

>> No.3904815

No. All those "future city" artworks ignore the fact that WE WON'T BE DEMOLISHING THE CURRENT CITY FIRST

>> No.3904817

>>3904767
>>3904767
>>3904767
THIS

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>>3904813

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>Implying the future will be dominated by anything other than massive, monolithic structures -- monuments to the coming resurgence of malevolent fascist empires.

ISHYGDDT

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>>3904813
>space race
>advanced material sciences leading to vastly stronger, lighter building materials
>LFTRs/Space-based solar/Fusion power
>life extension leading to growing populations and need for new cities

So, NOPE.

>> No.3904824

>>3904821
>all that in 2050
HaHaNOPE.jpg

>> No.3904826

>>3904824
The technology:
http://techland.time.com/2011/04/06/spacexs-falcon-heavy-most-powerful-private-rocket-ever/
http://www.universetoday.com/73536/nasa-considering-rail-gun-launch-system-to-the-stars/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43451526/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/nasa-selects-new-heavy-lift-r
ocket-say-sources/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/24/skylon_esa_report/

The will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bIQLiKi3g
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/lord-british-wants-to-take-you-to-space-and-hes-closer-th
an-you-think.ars/3
http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2011/04/26/elon-musk-we-can-put-a-man-on-mars-in-10-years/
http://www.gamefront.com/john-carmack-helps-make-space-travel-more-affordable/
http://www.virgingalactic.com/

>> No.3904827

>>3904813
60 years ago, planes still needed propellers to fly. Now we fly in space. 40 years ago, it took 3 years to build a bridge. now it takes 6 months. 20 years ago Dubai was a desert. 7 years ago, the bay in dubai was just water, now its a huge hotel resort.

>>3904815
Who're you to say that NEW cities wont be constructed? You assume that people wont want to live somewhere ELSE other than an established industrial/urban area? Hell, China is building cities out the fucking wazoo for no reason, and is popping them up in the most unlikely places.

We could build a megalopolis in the middle of nebraska if we wanted to. and it could only take a 4-7 years to get a few high rises and some urban eco-friendly walkways and railways in the surrounding area.

I think you two are terribly skeptical of what we are able to do, simplly dont have the resources and funds to do so.

>> No.3904828

>>3904821

2050 is only 39 Years away

>> No.3904829

>>3904824
The time (and one of the main kicks in the ass to get it started):
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029
http://www.ted.com/themes/might_you_live_a_great_deal_longer.html
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/07/sierra-sciences-working-towards.html
http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-biologists-yeast-cells-reverse-aging.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-dna-reverse-premature-aging.html

The economic benefits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining
>At 1997 prices, a relatively small metallic asteroid with a diameter of 1 mile contains more than $20 trillion US dollars worth of industrial and precious metals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_Earth_Objects#Near-Earth_asteroids
>As of May 2010, 7,075 near-Earth asteroids are known,[14] ranging in size up to ~32 kilometers (1036 Ganymed).[16] The number of near-Earth asteroids over one kilometer in diameter is estimated to be 500 - 1,000.

>> No.3904831

>>3904827
>60 years ago, planes still needed propellers to fly. Now we fly in space

WE WERE FLYING IN SPACE 60 YEARS AGO

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Here's my picture to sum up what 2050 will be like.

>> No.3904837

>>3904826
agreeing the fuck out of this with the force of a thousand solar panels

>> No.3904838
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>>3904824
http://www.iter.org/
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/china-thorium-power/
http://itheo.org/articles/congressman-calls-thorium-energy
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/02/stratosolar-for-concentrated-solar.html
http://www.energymatters.com.au/index.php?main_page=news_article&article_id=396

>> No.3904839

>>3904829
Fuck off with your propaganda

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Inurdaes attack

>> No.3904847

>>3904831
no, we werent flying in space 60 years ago. We were sending fancy fireworks out of the atmosphere.

jet fighters were using propellers though.

NOW were flying in space.

>> No.3904848

>>3904821
>>3904821
Space Race definitely must be the keyword here.
Since our earth does not even remotely have enough resources to build shit like in OP pics.
The current financial crisis is showing pretty much what problems we are already facing, the earth doesn't have enough wealth for us all.

The problem is, except for maybe Mars there is no other planet within our reach that we could realistically occupy.
by 2050, if OP is lucky, a single faggot will have visited Mars.
But for sure there won't be some cyber city like that there..

After all, if humanity really finds a wealthy planet within realistic reach that would allow for some fancy decadence like OPs pic, it won't be so quick to civilize it with millions/billions of peoples and build a rich city like in OPs pic.

Conclusion: OP's pic is a pie in the sky

>> No.3904850

>>3904826
>>3904829
>>3904838
i hope you die soon silly kiddo

>> No.3904854

>>3902194

Cities as we know them started due to the fact that factory owners needed large numbers of workers concentrated into a small area.

As travel became easier and cheaper, the density of cities went down and we started making suburbs.

Soon, a combination of technologies will not only make travel cheaper, they'll also make large concentrations of people unnecessary. Thus civilization will become more rural.

In 2050 you'll be lucky if you're left with historic sites.

>> No.3904859

>>3904854
nope.jpg

>> No.3904860

>>3904848
>forgetting the power of eugenics and mind control.

inb4 mindcontrol doesnt real

ELF brain wave manipulation. Keeps you calm and docile.

>> No.3904862

>>3904854
interesting opinion, but there still is a serious 'urbanization' trend (the big cities are still growing).
Still OP is a fag, because this >>3904848

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>>3904848
>But for sure there won't be some cyber city like that there..
Challenge accepted

Also, rotating space stations manufactured from asteroids. Much cheaper than launching payload up, with or without a space elevator.

>>3904850
I'm sorry, have I upset you somehow? If so that was not my intention.

>> No.3904866

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRsp6DhxLDU

Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid

>> No.3904868

>>3904854
That would be nice, but thats assuming that the power elite dont want to control the fuck out of you. Prepare for megacities to be the norm for everyday life, where grimey spoiled air seep into your lungs and you cant walk down the sidewalk without being shoulder to shoulder with a 10 people at once.

>> No.3904869

>>3904860
lol troll
this is a huge claim, and you have absolutely no basis or evidence for me that would make me take this big claim seriously.

>> No.3904870

>>3904863
> implying the 5-men-faggot-colony in your pic is even remotely similar to OPs cypercity

>> No.3904871

>>3904869
give me two minutes, ill get it for you.

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>>3904870
>implying I didn't pick the first Mars-related pic I saw

>> No.3904879

>>3904863
>plans for caching an asteroid
>plans to build a ship and take it to an asteroids
>plans for building a colony on an asteroids
>technology
>thats all you lack fuckface

>> No.3904881

from a scientific perspective Induraes might even have a point.
The problem is the economic perspective.

First, let's look at it from a more short therm (thus, more predictible) perspective:
The world has topo much real estate because of the housing bubble.
This is a global problem. There is too much property.
For the next 20 years the housing market lays flat.
The construction sector is fucked now in the US and this is why there is so much unemployment.
Nothing is being built, there is totally oversupply, housing prices are STILL falling.
==> So we can for sure that in the next 20 years there will be no change - AT ALL

Even if there is some serious scientific break-through, the housing market is seriously fucked for now.

>> No.3904883

>>3904879
also MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

>> No.3904884

>>3904866
>>3904866
>>3904866
I bet $10k this video was done pre-Global financial housing collapse.
This pyramid is such a facepalm considering the enormous housing oversupply especially in Tokyo right now.

>> No.3904886

>>3904869
>>3904869
dammit wouldnt ya know.. i cant find it right now. Probably because its 6AM and i havent slept all night..

If i knew where to find it, i would show you. But i am brain daed. I dont troll about shit man. There is a military project utilizing electromagnetic frequencies as a way to calm crowds. Its not the same as ULF or ELF weapons being used as crowd control, that causes damage to your body. Rather its aim was to be more passive, as as deterrent, rather than a weapon of dispersement. Bascially it doesnt make your ears and nose bleed. It just kinda makes you apathetic.

There was a small mention of it on wikipedia (and many conspiracy sites) Specifically referring to the name of the project. I think i found it under "electromagnetic radiation" on wikipedia. Cant seem to bring my brain to find it though. Most definitely not trolling.

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well figgits this is what dubai looks like now. So who knows. But remmember Dubai isn't very practical, it is basically a show of city.

>> No.3904965

Anyone watched the documentary "Future by Design"?

>> No.3904972

>>3904965
Yes, *puts on hipster glasses* way before Zeitgeist and resource-based economy faggots started flooding to it.

Here's a quick review: It's piece of shit.

>> No.3905142

>>3904965
Yes, I too thought it was a piece of shit.

>> No.3905412

this thread is /wg/ infiltration

>> No.3905451

>>3905142
Good. It's a start on course to healthy skepticism and cynicism.

I know all about the dunning-kruger effect and why scientists need to have more confidence and take more chances but unfortunately you lie more on the "dumb person with too much confidence" side of things.

>> No.3905461

>>3902194
definitely not in 2050
i think energy is the least concerning aspect
the most difficult thing would be the time it takes for this massive constructions to be built.

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>>3905451
>I know all about the dunning-kruger effect and why scientists need to have more confidence and take more chances but unfortunately you lie more on the "dumb person with too much confidence" side of things.
I can't even be offended as it's fairly true. I don't have degrees or any meaningful expertise in those areas (yet) but at least I want to learn.

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>>3905466
>I want to learn
do it, faggot, maybe you'll discover exactly what is involved with getting shit done

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>>3905472
Won't stop me wanting to get shit done.