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Was all Antimatter neutralized in the moment of creation, or does it still exist out there?

>> No.3876736 [DELETED] 

>the moment of creation

subtle religion troll

>> No.3876741
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3876741

Thanks for asking a question that hasn't been answered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics

>> No.3876771

>>3876722
Anti-matter, just like regular matter, is constantly being created. If you are interested you should pick up a book in Quantum Mechanics.

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>> No.3876775 [DELETED] 

>>3876771
>created

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>>3876775
The process where energy/matter transmutes into matter or antimatter is refered to as "creation of matter/anti-matter". It is common for particle physicists to speak in this manner.

Troll harder kid
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>> No.3876811

>>3876804
YOU are the troll, presenting particle physics as a religion.

>> No.3876823

>>3876736
You wouldn't call the Big Bang a moment of creation?

>> No.3876826

>>3876823
reported for religious trolling

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>>3876826

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>>3876826
So the Big Bang, the moment where everything was created from nothing, is not a "Moment of Creation"?

>> No.3876844

I think you will find this extremely interesting.

The Earth actually has a belt of antimatter around it. Once we learn how to collect it, it can be used as a source of energy.

>> No.3876848

>>3876844
Could you give me some further reading?

>> No.3876852

>>3876841

>nothing

creationist detected.

Singularity =/= nothing

>> No.3876857

>>3876841
>another christian troll

You can repeat it again and again, I won't let my atheism down.

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>>3876852
I'm an atheist. From where did this singularity arise? If you can answer that then you'd better fucking call Mr. Hawking.

>> No.3876867

>>3876858
>I'm an atheist.
>his post explains agnosticism

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>> No.3876868

>>3876857
>>3876852
>>3876826
>>3876736
/sci/ is better at trolling than /lit/ or /v/. /lit/ just sucks at trolling and /v/ trolls by calling every game shit.

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>>3876736
>>3876775
>>3876826
The term "creation" is not an inheritly religious term. Do you know how fucking retarded you sound?

In science there are plenty of times where you use the word "creation" or "created".

He created a new experiment.
He created a new isotope.
He created a new subtance.
He created a new life form.
He created a new theory.

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>>3876848
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/08/antimatter-belt-found-circling-e.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/08/07/antimatter-belt-detected-orbiting-the-earth/

>> No.3876871

>>3876722

No-one really knows the answer to this. It's a big question. We should, logically, see as much anti-matter as matter, but, of course, we don't.

So where did it all go? Are there anti-galaxies out there firing out anti-photons at us? No-one really knows.

One of the last deliveries to the ISS via the space-shuttle was an enormous magnet (fucking miracles) that is going to be used as a part of an experiment to try and detect antimatter particles that might indicate the presence of some of this missing antimatter.

No matter what the answer, it's an interesting question.

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>>3876858

>From where did this singularity arise

It's a singularity, I can't/don't have to explain shit

>> No.3876878

>>3876867
>his post explains agnosticism
The question I posed may be unanswerable, I doubt it was any deity.

>> No.3876888

>>3876875
>He created a new experiment.
>He created a new isotope.
>He created a new subtance.
>He created a new life form.
>He created a new theory.
>He created
>He

There's always a creator. No matter how you call him, speaking of the big bang it is a god.

>> No.3876895

>>3876878
You doubt, but you don't deny.

>> No.3876896

>>3876871

If Anti Matter still existed in the same state matter does presently, matter wouldn't actually exist and we would be the anti-matter.

>> No.3876901 [DELETED] 

>>3876896
>yfw from the anti matter's point of view we are the anti matter and anti matter is matter

>> No.3876899

>>3876888
I deny, but I may be wrong.

>> No.3876909

>>3876888
>A new experiment was created
>A new isotope was created
>A new substance was created
>A new life form was created
>A new theory was created
>Created
>

You can phrase a sentence that involves something being created without a creator.

>> No.3876908

>>3876901

Of course, but I would enter a loop if I pointed that out.

>> No.3876917

>>3876888

The term creator tends to refer to an entity; an intelligent, thinking thing. We might say that a volcanic eruption created a new coastline on an island, but we would never refer to the volcano as a creator.

English is a sticky language, like that.

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>>3876873
Many thanks

>> No.3876931

>>3876909
"was created" is just a passive form. It always arises the question "by who?"

>> No.3876934

>>3876931
The question may arise, but it is irrelevant from the viewpoint of any atheist.

>> No.3876943

>>3876934
It's not irrelevant for an atheist. An atheist answers by stating it was physical law and by rephrasing everything to keep "creation" out.

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>>3876909
Nope.

The "creator" can be a process, it doesnt need to be human or a diety.

The chemical process of _____ creates ____.
The biological process of _____ creates ____.
The weak and strong interaction created a quarks and antiquark from an electron and positron.

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>> No.3876953

>>3876943
Is the phrase is purposefully changed to fulfill a viewpoint, then any object that isn't brought into question is irrelevant. Is the idea of a creator isn't brought to the table, don't bring it yourself unless you believe in that sort of thing.

>> No.3876961

>>3876949
Our language doesn't have words yet to express any process or action that existed before existence.

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>>3876943
Nope

werid troll is werid

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>> No.3876972

>>3876949
The Big Bang transcends language

>> No.3876978

ITT: Atheists resort to pointing out flaws in language just to not admit they are wrong.

>> No.3876989

>>3876978
ITT: Athiests are called out for pointing out flaws in language as a defense against being objected by people who can't think of a retort

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>>3876978
What atheists? WTF are you smoking kid?

>> No.3876994

>>3876988
You're not atheists?
But why would a fellow christian troll other christians on a science board by pretending to be atheist?

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>>3876989
>>3876994

>> No.3877001

>>3876989
ITT: Atheists expecting a retort without having provided an argument themselves.

>> No.3877014

>>3877001
ITT: Athiests acting as Creationists using a persecution as proof that the other Athiests have no argument

>> No.3877033 [DELETED] 

ITT: christians predenting to be atheists

>> No.3877050 [DELETED] 

>>3876722
The strong, weak, and electromagnetic interation are capable of producing matter and anit-matter from energy/matter/anti-matter.

There is always matter and anti-matter being created by these interactions. The competing interactions, as well as what particles/waves are there to work with, influence what is actually created. The fundemental processes responsible for why the universe is the way it is today, are very very well know, and match observations near perfectly.

I would recommend The book by ryden. It deals and explains alot about how all the procees that lead to where we are today (including why we have galaxies, stars, atoms, etcs). It starts with the big bang and explains pretty much everything after that. It is at the grad level though, there is a free copy. Enjoy.

http://carina.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/extragalactica/Bibliografia/Ryden_IntroCosmo.pdf

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>>3876722
>>3876722
>>3876722
The strong, weak, and electromagnetic interation are capable of producing matter and anit-matter from energy/matter/anti-matter.

There is always matter and anti-matter being created by these interactions. The competing interactions, as well as what particles/waves are there to work with, influence what is actually created. The fundemental processes responsible for why the universe is the way it is today, are very very well know, and match observations near perfectly.

I would recommend The book by ryden. It deals and explains alot about how all the procees that lead to where we are today (including why we have galaxies, stars, atoms, etcs). It starts with the big bang and explains pretty much everything after that. It is at the grad level though, there is a free copy. Enjoy.

http://carina.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/extragalactica/Bibliografia/Ryden_IntroCosmo.pdf

>> No.3877078

>>3877067

He obviously means in nature, where it has only been detected hanging around earth.

>> No.3877077

>>3877072
ok

>> No.3877067

Anti-matter "still exists". We can isolate it in the lab.

>> No.3877080

>>3877067
CHECK MATE

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>>3876722
Anti-matter still exists naturally. It is created in elementary particle process all the time.

We can also use these processes to produce antimatter in the lab as well.

Light is actually matter and anti-matter at the same time.

>> No.3877101

>>3877078
>He obviously means in nature
Where else are you going to isolate anti-matter from? Fantasy land?

>> No.3877109

>>3877101

Ahem.

In interstellar space without human interaction involved in its creation.

If you want to be the goddamn pedant that you are.

>> No.3877121

>>3877109
>interstellar space without human interaction involved
tl;dr: GOD

>> No.3877137

>>3877121

Except it's not there.

So you're saying god removed it?

God's a jerk. Making everything symmetrical then removing evidence of the symmetry just to confuse us.

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>>3877109
>>3877101
There are a shit-ton of naturally occuring processes that produce anti-matter. Most fundemental processes actually produce anti-matter.

ALSO, LIGHT IT ANTI-MATTER.

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>> No.3877162

>>3877148

You realize everything that makes matter SHOULD make antimatter, right?

So while antimatter can be CREATED, it <span class="math">should[/spoiler] already exist, and be just as common as ordinary matter.

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>>3877121
>>3877137
>Not a religion thread
>Absolutly nothing to do with religion
>christians keep needing to mention god, and atheism

WTF?

>> No.3877183

>>3876961
http://www.google.com/search?q=Meontology

>> No.3877224

>>3877173
>atheist start to talk about creation and ask about origins of the universe
>christians kindly explain the truth
>not a religion thread

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>>3877162
>nope

Since, matter and anti-matter destroy each other, it is only possible for one form to dominate the universe. Once one "get's" the upper hand, then the universe will be dominated by that form for its duration.

Since alot of particles, can be anti-matter and matter at the same time, all you need it is the right set of interactions to cause matter to be favored, and break the initial matter antimatter symmetry. (ie the matter/anti-matter particles destroy more anti-matter particles then matter particles, in the early universe). This upsets the balance and causes a matter avalanche.

This will happen becuase the weak interaction is not symmetric when it comes to handedness.

>> No.3878690

>>3877224
>christians kindly explain their delusion
not-science.jpg

>> No.3879414

>>3878690
>atheists worried about their gaps in the explanation of creation
not-science.jgp

>> No.3879513

antimatter + matter =/= nothing

learn to fucking science, sci.
If the two merged, ENERGY WOULD BE RELEASED, and strictly following the formula E=mc^2

There was no creation. You don't just ask "Where did all this shit come from?" It doesn't fucking work that way, get it through your heads. Fuck.

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>> No.3879586

>>3879513
>There was no creation

And where DID all the shit come from?

>> No.3879688

>>3879586

You're assuming that there was nothing initially.

This is a very bold statement.

>> No.3879709

this is by far the biggest problem with supersymmetry, even though it seems so mathematically brilliant/accurate

a common hypothesis is that antimatter was 'torn apart' during some other episode of spontaneous symmetry breaking and incorporated within the matter we see today

another, less formal hypothesis includes the formation of early black holes (due to the insane amount of energy within the early big bang), in which antimatter was sucked into

another includes that antimatter was propelled on such a high angle/momenta (along with matter), that some sort of 'antimatter universe' exists in the distance.

and finally, supersymmetry is somehow bullshit (very difficult to believe) and photons/particle-antiparticle creation precursors behave differently at extremely high energies such as those found early after the big bang.

>> No.3879712

>>3879688
I'm not assuming anything. But that's what physicists/atheists usually say, "there was nothing".

>> No.3879722

>>3876741
My, that's a sexy Wriggle

>> No.3879737

>>3879712

They never said that.
The big bang didn't create anything. It is merely an expansion of a singularity. It doesn't explain how matter came to be. It is a MODEL, to explain how the stars got to where they are. An explosion, nothing more. There was never "nothing".

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3879816

What the fuck are christians doing on /sci/? shouldn't they be in /adultfairtytales/ or /ignorantdipshits/

>> No.3879859

>>3879816
Atleast they state a argument or claim. Most of the people here seem to be bitching about their beliefs..

>> No.3881371

>>3879816
Not everyone has company to be with, and it's good karma to contribute to the conversation of the low mobility people that frequent this site.