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>not fudging the data in your lab manual data tables so that your percent error is less

ISHYGDDT

My fucking moralfag lab partner prevented me from increasing our grade.

>> No.3861908

Why? Why did you post this thread? What's the goal? I don't get these George Costanza trolls...

>> No.3861909

Your grade depends on your measured data?
WTF?

Must be some shit tier university.

>> No.3861903

god damn i hate that. as long as you understand the experiment and go through the steps, make up ideal data and you're fucking set. "umm no let's just use what we got i don't want to get in trouble" fuck the fuck off

>> No.3861921

>>3861908
>Why did you post this thread? What's the goal?

So I can get /sci/'s opinion on it, and whether it is really that uncommon of a thing to do.

>> No.3861923

>>3861909
Yes. Our TA says more than around 150% indicates a failure to follow directions.

>> No.3861928

>>3861923
How can you fuck up an experiment so bad that your error exceeds 150%?

>> No.3861929

>>3861923
It probably does.

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>>3861903
Exactly.

>> No.3861947

>>3861929
>>3861928

Yes, of course it does. We fucked up the procedure (probably him), but we understand the concepts inside and out.

The main point is that I don't understand these people who are so dogmatically against "dishonesty" that they object to moving a few digits around.

>> No.3861965

>sophomore modern physics lab
>half of the time the equipment isn't functioning properly
>we only have about an hour to get results

If you're not working full-time in a laboratory, getting within an order of magnitude is completely reasonable.

>> No.3861969

>>3861947
cuz in uni you are pretending you are in real life, and in real life this is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Not that I am disagreeing, I would change shit too if I was sure it would still be write and my teacher was such a dick as to grade on measured data.

>> No.3861984

A lab notebook is a legal document. Faking data is forgery.

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>>3861984

>> No.3861990

>>3861947
Inability to take responsibility like an adult general?

>>3861965
Now see they just made us stay until we could get that shit to work. Fun times taking 4 hours to get done with an hour lab.

>> No.3862000

>>3861990
results are all that matter, if you can change something to make yourself do better without hurting anyone else, there is nothing wrong with your actions

>> No.3862008

Was doing a lab just the other day, I'm a senior now taking a lab I should have taken three years ago. I'm partners with this quiet Asian chick. I tell her that I've had co-ops in a few labs and this is all trivial shit to me, and she's just looking to keep her GPA up, so she lets me set everything up and do the lab while she watches.

The other day I had to fill vials with 4mL of "Unknown Compound A" using a pipette. I got about seven vials in and I'm talking to this chick - not paying any attention at all - while I perform this monotonous task, and I miss the vial completely for like half the pipette. She notices and looks at me, a little concerned, like "What do we do?" I shrug and say to her "Doesn't matter." and I eyeball the rest of this stuff into the vial and proceed to the next.

I was afraid she was gonna ask me to do again "just in case" but she didn't. Thank goodness, because I wouldn't have anyway. The best part is, she actually prefers doing all the calculations for the lab report, which leaves me with the Abstract and Discussion/Conclusion section.

I don't know, a pretty boring story, now that I have it all typed out. But it's kinda' relevant, eh? Whatever.

>> No.3862015

>>3862000
Yes results are all that matter.
The ones you got that show you can preform a simple task.

>> No.3862035

>>3862008
I also prefer doing the calculations than writing out those bullshit questions at the end. It is better practice for the exams.

>> No.3862036

Good. Your partner deserves to graduate. You don't, yet.
The truth is more important than what is desired. Otherwise you start going down that slippery slope where you decrease percent error for an increase in pay...

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>>3862036
>admitting to a slippery slope fallacy
>still apparently considers argument legitimate

ISHYGDDT

>> No.3862074

>>3862036
>implying it isnt immediately apparent to a rational person that fudging results on a learning exercise in school is vastly different from fudging results in the real world

>> No.3862083

>>3862035

Of course I'm not saying it like it's somehow mocking her, wanting to do the calculations. I'm just stoked that she -prefers- doing the calculations, which means I don't have to. This was just a simple density/error analysis lab, standard deviations and certainties in calculated data and shit. I've taken all those classes already, so I'm most excited that I don't have to spend the time doing these calculations and I can spend that time, instead, doing -anything- else more important. Not that I can't do them, I just really don't ever want to have to calculate arbitrary densities again....

>> No.3862108

>needing to fudge data for uni courses

ISHYGDDT

(>not knowing how to green text. >.<)

>> No.3862119

implying that it wasn't your fault for not making measurements carefully enough

>> No.3862121

Hold on. You get graded based on the results? It's how you conducted your experiment that's important, not the results.

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>doing experiment in chemistry during junior year in high school
>go through the procedure perfectly, but both me and my lab partner wrote an error in the directions
>7447.9% error, or something close to that
>teacher completely understands
>we get the highest grade in the class
Fuck, that teacher's a bro. I miss him.

Your professor must be terrible if he grades based on anything but procedure-following. Unless it's something like 200%+, then you seriously fucked up.

>> No.3862184

ghey

>> No.3862674

It's a matter of principle. Saying it's ok to do as long as you understand the core concept is something that everyone would say even if they didn't get it. And they're would be no way to tell the difference between who gets it and just fucked up somehow and someone who doesn't get it and also fucked up. A reasonable error rate is the proof that you get it. Scientists need to be held to a higher standard.