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so question...

really how much of apples "ingenuity and innovation" is attributed directly to steve jobs? all this press about him being the einstein or edison of our age is making me curious how much of this credit is actually due to him and how much to the huge design team he employs?

>> No.3857680

Could say the same thing about Einstein and Edison.

>> No.3857683

really? i could see edison possibly but einstein?

>> No.3857687

He's just a figurehead.

>> No.3857689

Steve Wozniak was the real genius. Jobs was just the salesman. Look it up.

>> No.3857691

Business man != Scientist

STOP THIS NOW!

>> No.3857699

>>3857689
So he is a modern Edison.

>> No.3857704 [DELETED] 

just makes me mad that the media portrays him as some incredible genius. my friend is a total apple whore and is actually upset over his death because he thinks apple will be over and done with since all the creativity and innovation died with jobs

MFW

>> No.3857709

>>3857704

Apple could potentially take a big hit, as Jobs was the main figure, the guy who called everything magical and made millions fooling people into buying overpriced shit.

No one will be able to top his marketing skills.

>> No.3857714

>itt i don't buy apple products because i play videogames with my pc

>> No.3857719

>>3857714

Because Apple only sells computers, right?

>> No.3857722

Shut up and take my money!!!

>> No.3857723

I don't buy apple because of faggots like Steve Jobs. Depending on how things go from now on I might look into them.

>> No.3857731

>>3857676
Anyone know when the new iCoffin is coming out?

>on 4chan?

>> No.3857735

they created an incredibly strong brand. people will literally buy their shit ONLY because others have already. Even if the consumer is aware the product is not the best in the market and overpriced for the hardware they will still buy it to be part of the "in" crowd. ridiculous but thats people and marketing for you

>> No.3857739

Soldiers fight and win the battles, Generals get the credit.

Most likely he did have some thing to do with the planning but overall...

He didn't do much.

>> No.3857740

>>3857735
I buy an ipod because it fucking works

>> No.3857743

>>3857735
Kind of shoots a huge gaping hole into Libertarian theory doesn't it?

>> No.3857747

>>3857740

You buy it because it's all you know, as you don't research before purchasing.

>> No.3857755

>>3857740
yeah but not any better than a host of other mp3 players on the market.

thats the first argument mac fags use when defending their gear. "it just works man"

>> No.3857764

>>3857709

Nah, I think they're on to job's strategy by now. They'll hire someone to emulate him; probably Reggie.

>> No.3857766

>>3857680

So Einstein had people who made up General Relativity?

>> No.3857780

>>3857766

Galileo

>> No.3857779

>>3857764

Jobs's, I don't know how I made that mistake.

>> No.3859000

>>3857676
He was the one who built that big, coherent picture. Without it, his eng, team might have build great things that wouldn't worok with each other or that just fits the engineer's needs/visions and not that of the end-user.

>> No.3859006

He was great at bringing nee technologies to the consumer world. Smart phones and tablet for example.

>> No.3859021

>>3859000
Which makes him more of an artist than an inventor...

Sage for liberal arts.

>> No.3859078

>>3857779
Jobs'

I still don't know how you made that mistake.

>> No.3859094
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3859094

what did Steve Jobs did before he died?
He changed his name from Steve to Blow

>> No.3859139

>>3857766

Einstein got his knowledge from esoteric sources, but he was wrong anyway. Nikola Tesla knew that already.

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3859150

>>3857709
and yet he still couldn't beat cancer
>mfw my dad has cancer

>> No.3859154

>>3859078
both ways are grammatically corrrect

>> No.3859156

OK, I hate to be "that guy" but he didn't 'innovate' a god damn thing.
Apple took existing technology and became wildly successful by marketing it brilliantly. Jobs didn't invent the tablet, Jobs didn't invent the smart phone, Jobs didn't invent the laptop, Jobs didn't invent the MP3 player.

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3859158

THEY TOOK'R JOBS

>> No.3859170

>>3859139
>but he was wrong anyway
I'm sure he was wrong about many things, but what in particular are you talking about?

>> No.3859172

>>3859150
It's only cancer, tell him to harden the fuck up and get over it. Those cancer cells will know he means business.

>> No.3859194

Entrepreneurship is rarely understood by the scientists. In fact, the all so intelligent scientists suffer from the fatal conceit and think the world would be better off if they were in charge of it.

>> No.3859210

>>3857740
Brainless zombie, what are you doing on our board? LADS, GRAB YOUR SHOTGUNS!

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3859229

>>3857676
Pic related. That's how an true innovator looks like. Incidentally it also reminds us what horrible marketing can do to a sure-fire product.

>> No.3859252

>>3859156
He was however a important figure in a company that took great ideas and reshaped them in a something that would actually sell. HP had a tablet in 2004 or so, yet it was not until iPad that we saw a new age of awesome tablets. I am by no means a Mac person, but if I had to chose, I'd chose Apple as a more important figure than HP in that event.

>> No.3859582

>>3857680
That is retarded. Edison was an inventor and then an entrapenour. You guys with your "tesla was betrayed" shit

>> No.3859656

>>3859582
Edison stole Tesla's ideas and got all the credit and money, just like Bill Gates stole all Steve Jobs's ideas and got all the credit and money.

>> No.3859675

>>3857699
Exactly.

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3859683

>>3859656
At least Tesla was on Edison's payroll at the time...

>> No.3859694

>>3859139

You are a Gentleman and a Scholar.
However, blind brainless followers of the current dogma will bast you out of /sci/.
Thinkers have no place.

>> No.3859700

Steve Jobs was competent, and in our society, that makes him virtually a demi-god

>> No.3859709

>>3859694
Third guy here.

I wouldn't necessarily say Einstein was completely wrong, but I think his description of our universe is rather merely a description of how we can PERCEIVE the universe using EMR as a medium of observation.

>> No.3859710

Ive been under the impression that he never mattered, much less apple. Shit machines + shit people who use them. Why should I give a fuck?

>> No.3859719

>>3859710
Without steve apple would not exist. He also came up with the iPad/iPhone.

>> No.3859733

>>3859710
Apple was the shit back in the day. Why else would Microsoft rip them off?

>> No.3859741

>>3859719
Which Ive never cared about either.

>> No.3859743

>>3859733
Microsoft has always ripped off apple. Look at windows 3.1

>> No.3859750

>>3859741
Then you are a fool.

>> No.3859755

>>3859710

I remember at one job we had apples. The towers had 4 scsi slots for hotswapping harddrives in enclosures. Very useful.

>> No.3859760

>>3859755
Mac pro 1.1?

>> No.3859807

>>3859710
Butbutbutbut they're so white and shiny!!!!

I once used a powermac at a job. Worst computer I ever had the pain of working with. Afterwards, with added perspective, my own 200MHz win95 machine seemed a lot better than it had. After all, I might have had to use a mac instead of that piece of unstable shit.

I once owned an iPod. It broke down and I exchanged it for a 20€ generic mp3 player after two weeks. Last iCrap I ever used. I got 100€ for the broken iBrick from a macfag.

Last year, a local "mac whiz" got his mac broken. He was unable to get his files from the old hdd to his new computer and the mac store said it couldn't be done. I copied the files from the old hdd after five minutes of tinkering onto a stack of dvds (his new mac was too precious to bring in). But he didn't know how to copy files from a disc to his mac. All in all, copying the files to the discs and then from them to the new mac alone cost him 200€

So far, the best use I've seen for Apple products is as a tool for moving wealth from the artsy and pretentious to others.

>> No.3859810

>>3859760
No these were some of the old 68040 workstations

>> No.3859829

>>3859807
I'm pretty sure half of those problems resulted from your own incompetence. Also it's not just "white and shiny" macs are a perfect balance of power and beauty, much like how OS X can be used by a person with no computer knowledge but is still the best choice for power users.

>> No.3859863

>>3859829
>macs are a perfect balance of power and beauty
That was a good one.

>> No.3859872

>>3859829 best choice

Thats subjective

>> No.3859874

>>3859863
Well it's true.

>> No.3859878

>>3859872
It's is. The second best choice would be Linux or puredarwin.

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3859890

>>3859874
Stop it, you're killing me!

>> No.3859891

>>3859829
OSX lacks a large portion of the tools I use in Linux.

>> No.3859932

>>3859891
I can compile any Linux program I want for OS X via terminal using homebrew.

>> No.3859938

>>3859932
Will that give it a proper package management system?

>> No.3859944

>>3859938
Homebrew is a proper package manager on par with portage. Their is also macports which I don't really care for.

>> No.3859964

>>3859878
Anyone I'd consider a "power user" likes to have the option of modifying/upgrading their own hardware easily. Apple products generally don't meet that requirement.

>> No.3859978

>>3859964
Look up the Mac pro.

>> No.3859980

>>3859944
Neat. Carry on then.

I have to say that my taste for open source probably has a lot to do with aesthetic and political opinions that aren't entirely based on utility. I don't however get the sense that when I'm using Arch or Debian or whatever that my experience would be improved by switching to OSX or another closed BSD variant.

Also Ubuntu in its most recent iteration has matched OSX in my opinion in nearly every way. OSX still has the advantage of being hardware specific, so there isn't that barrier to entry that new Linux users feel when their drivers don't work properly.

>> No.3860546

Edison? Edison was a loser, Tesla ftw.

>> No.3860550

>>3859878
You forgot to mention amigaOS

>> No.3860555

apple was a pile of shit, steve jobs just cached in on hipster chic, he's fucking worthless and he's rotting in the ground like everyone else, i hope he finds his i-coffin comfy

>> No.3860617

I don't think he was a big genius, but he was a visionary and knew how to sell his products. But most of the inovations came from apple's competent staff.

>> No.3860631

>>3857680
Einstein stole from Pointcare
Edison stole from everybody and their momma
Apple has lost quite a few patent cases in the past