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Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:47:16 2011 No.3836941 [Reply] [Original]

Some of Occupy Wall Street's demands:

>Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Combined with

>Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Are they trolling or are people legitimately that stupid?

Link to their demands:

https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:48:16 2011 No.3836945 >>3836941 Hippies cannot into economics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:49:16 2011 No.3836946 Nice. Combine those two, and you'll have a wave of freeloader migrants like you've never seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:49:16 2011 No.3836950 >>3836946 Pretty much the exact problem Australia has right now

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:51:16 2011 No.3836955

>raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
A nice thought, but it will end up doing nothing but causing inflation.

McDonald's has to pay all employees $20/hr, so burgers get expensive, same thing happens across the board and BOOM, inflation puts us right back where we were.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:52:16 2011 No.3836956
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>Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Cool, I agree. Maybe OP was just trolling.

>Demand seven: ...decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

NO!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:53:16 2011 No.3836958 these aren't official demands obviously, it's just some gibberish by an attention seeking lunatic. i hope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:53:16 2011 No.3836959 It's just a proposed list. But yes, all of those demands are retarded and reek of knowing nothing about economics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:53:16 2011 No.3836963 >>3836955 Not only that, but unemployment will increase since labor expense will increase massively causing more impetus to cut costs by cutting labor expenses.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:55:16 2011 No.3836968

Ok, I can understand and even respect where the protesters are coming from.

But

If you're trying to be in the national spotlight and gain the support of the population why the hell don't you research your demands before shouting them out to the world?

Anyone with even basic intelligence and a rudimentary education can see that several of these proposals are either impossible to implement or would be catastrophic to the economy and make things worse than they already are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:56:16 2011 No.3836972 >>3836968 >Anyone with even basic intelligence and a rudimentary education There you go. You see, the loud idiots have hijacked this protest movement now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:58:16 2011 No.3836974 >And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period. Oh god, they think they can make ALL countries forgive ALL sovereign AND PRIVATE debt?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 06:59:16 2011 No.3836975 >ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market >Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. Derp

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:00:16 2011 No.3836979

I actually like both of those demands. And I dont think they are that contradictory.

Well, I dont think we can feasibly provide everyone with living wage income, regardless of employment. Thats not really reasonable. What I do like, is the Negative Income Tax, which is a tax/welfare system that promises everyone some predetermined income. Which I dont think needs to be very big. Definitely far below "living wage" income.

Economically speaking open borders is just free trade of labor. Which, is really great. I dont think I have to elaborate. Free trade in general is just really really good.

I understand the criticism. That people will just come to this country for our welfare and then leave. This dont make sense for two reasons

1. It costs something to get here, and if the cost of coming here isnt worth the welfare people wont come. It might subsidize people coming here, but it doesnt imply some infinite loop of people coming and leaving. And certainly not because of my second point which is more important

2. People dont get welfare just for being present. You have to be a citizen to get welfare. Immigrants cant just come and get money, because they havent taken the time to become citizens.

Even then, I could imagine some of you believe that there will be some amount of people who over come the costs of leaving their homes to venture into America, and the costs of forging and cheating the system. At that point, I think the benefits of free trade and welfare out weight the costs of people rippin' us off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:00:16 2011 No.3836981 File: 61 KB, 299x223, 1242925554709.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why dont we just skip this shit and live in a moneyless society where everyone pitches in? Oh yeah all the rich people have the money and make those decisions don't they...

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:02:16 2011 No.3836987

Idiots.

The effects of mass economic migration of unskilled/low-skilled workers are twofold:

1. It Creates an inexhaustable supply of unskilled/low-skilled labour meaning that those at the bottom will be continue to be shitly paid because their power to demand a fair wage has been removed.

2. It keeps the wealth locked up in the west by bringing workers to the jobs instead of bringing jobs to the workers and thus feeding money into the economic cycles of poorer countries.

The only people who benifit from mass economic migration are the rich elite, and the state from a militaristic point of view (increased population= bigger army).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:02:16 2011 No.3836988 >guaranteed living wage regardless of employment WELL FUCK WORKING IM GONNA BROWSE 4CHAN ALL DAY

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:04:16 2011 No.3836993

>>3836974

>Forgive all debt
>The nation's tax revenue goes to hell as nearly every company is reporting a net operating loss
>The free healthcare, free college education, living wage for everyone regardless of employment in demands 2, 3, and 4 bankrupt the country

Way to think ahead, hippies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:04:16 2011 No.3836994 >>3836981 Tragedy of the commons. What you're describing won't work for as long as you're working with what we currently call "humans". The greedy and lazy will leech off the selfless and hardworking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:05:16 2011 No.3836997 This is a single post from a single poster, nothing more.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:05:16 2011 No.3836998

>>3836987

If the poor unskilled workers dont benefit, why do they choose to immigrate to begin with?

As for number two, I assure you, the workers who immigrate into America, are far better off than the workers in far away countries where American companies come to them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:06:16 2011 No.3837000 >>3836979 You're denying the first demand, and then saying you don't see the contradiction anymore. Exactly. The first demand (living wage regardless of employment) can't be combined with unrestricted immigration.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:07:16 2011 No.3837006 >>3837000 Okay fair enough. I mean I like their first demand, its just taken to a really unreasonable extent. Also I read in the link they want a minimum wage of $20. Which is totally not the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:08:16 2011 No.3837007 >>3836979Which I dont think needs to be very big. Definitely far below "living wage" income. Have you ever been needy at all?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:09:16 2011 No.3837010 >>3837007 He's talking about the automatic free welfare.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:11:16 2011 No.3837013 >>3836950 Pffft. Fucking hell, someone as stupid as you really shouldn't be posting on /sci/. Do you get your daily news from today tonight or ACA?

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:13:16 2011 No.3837016

>>3837007

No not really.

>>3837010

Yeah, and to be explicit. Its automatically entitled to X amount, and for every dollar you make you get a bit more welfare at a diminishing rate until the welfare per dollar rate hits zero. Then it becomes a tax against you.

Welfare amount - Tax rate (income) = -(tax)

If you make no income, your tax is -(welfare amount)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:13:16 2011 No.3837017 HOW DARE HUMANS BE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO SURVIVE. THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF LIFE! THE POINT OF LIFE IS TO SUBMIT TO THE MAN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:14:16 2011 No.3837021 >>3837013 Beat me to it. Good post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:14:16 2011 No.3837023 >>3837017 har har, you troll us. I'd support being more socialized, a little more welfare capitalism. But this stuff is full retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:15:16 2011 No.3837026 >>3836950 Oh my i really don't know what to say to that. I'm not sure if your trolling, ignorant or bigoted, or all three.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:15:16 2011 No.3837028 >>3836998 The "poor unskilled worker" benefit yes, but he wasn't talking about them. >[...]and thus feeding money into the economic cycles of poorer countries.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:17:16 2011 No.3837032 >>3837028 Whats wrong with money that flows into a poorer country?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:21:16 2011 No.3837045 >>3837032 Nothing. I was correcting his misunderstanding. By creating another one, as it were.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:22:16 2011 No.3837049 File: 2.69 MB, 500x281, 1308784121508.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] don't you faggots know what the real solution to this shit is? robot slaves. it will solve all of our problems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:24:16 2011 No.3837052 >>3837049 It's the same as saying "infinite energy will solve all of our problems". And your ass will still be owned by the people who decide to work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:24:16 2011 No.3837053 >>3837049 Until somebody hack them and infect them with individualism and ideas of freedom. (i will so do it, best troll ever. And i will have the moral high-ground. Not that i care)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:28:16 2011 No.3837059 >>3837052 infinite energy won't solve all of our problems because people need to work to use that energy to help society. if we had robot slaves to do that then yes it would solve all our problems

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:30:16 2011 No.3837064 File: 110 KB, 590x306, trillion-dollars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] about half of them seem reasonable policies, then the other half are batshit insane >one trillion dollars

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:30:16 2011 No.3837066 >>3837059 what You think "solving all of our problems" = "making human labor unnecessary"? You sound very lazy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:31:16 2011 No.3837068 >one trillion dollars for this, one trillion dollars for that... seems legit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:31:16 2011 No.3837069 >>3837066 it's true tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:32:16 2011 No.3837070 >>3837069 That you're lazy? 'Cause I'll tell you what - making human labor unnecessary won't solve all of our problems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:32:16 2011 No.3837072 >>3837070 it'll solve most of the occupy wall st problems

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:34:16 2011 No.3837074 >>3837072 True enough. Most of their proposals point towards "I don't want to work for a living".

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:39:16 2011 No.3837087 I think I lost some IQ points reading demand eleven.

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Sun Oct 2 07:43:16 2011 No.3837102

>>3836941
>Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
>decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Yep, confirmed for retards.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:43:16 2011 No.3837103

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

NO!! Are they crazy? We dont need more illegal criminals, spending trillions on "planting forests, reestablishing wetlands" and baseless antinuclear fearmongering.
Close the borders and start building new Gen. III+ nuclear power plants, while developing thorium power.

Fucking hippies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:47:16 2011 No.3837114 >>3837087 wow, now you've gone from 103 to 101

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Sun Oct 2 07:47:16 2011 No.3837115 I noticed the reddit style comment section and upvote/downvote system. It immediately clicked. So I went to reddit.com Those faggots would be all over this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:47:16 2011 No.3837116 >>3837103 Funny. one of your hippy statements belongs to wallstreet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:48:16 2011 No.3837117 >all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market >These demands will create so many jobs My brain has turned into shit.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 07:56:16 2011 No.3837129

>Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market

America imposes tariff on imported steel to protect its domestic steel industry
Foreign countries respond in kind with tariffs on American steel

Nice thinking there.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 08:15:16 2011 No.3837150

OK, I'm generally against theis new age capitalism where people are being forced into paying taxes that are later used for managers so they can maintain their lifestyles which was obviously not earned. But these demands are idiotic

And this is how it's going to go down. Because the system sucks so badly a new form will eventually come into power with a lot of terrible points but it will still be better than what we will have.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 08:20:16 2011 No.3837155

>>3837129
>>3837129

damn, that's pretty much basic economics, i bet some 12 year old wrote this "demand"

i support demonstrations, doing anything is better that sitting at home and bitching, but damn, make some plan before going all public with these retarded demands

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 08:25:16 2011 No.3837163 File: 125 KB, 382x276, japanesbirdeatingapig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Demand 11

EconPoser !nHKvW0t1cI Sun Oct 2 08:26:16 2011 No.3837167
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Guys...

Guys

Guys

Listen, guys.

I have the best idea

Seriously, just listen

Guys..

I'll take the entire field of Economics

Guys listen to this

The entire field of Economics...

Here it comes..

I'll take Economics, completely ignore it, and then FUCK OVER the entire country with stupid demands.

WHO'S WITH ME?!

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 08:40:16 2011 No.3837190

why do you idiots DEMAND to work labor that isn't even needed? do we need checkers at grocery stores? do we need gas station attendants? hell no. we work slave jobs for ... money? LOL idiots. you dont have to pay to live on a planet you were born on. you can only be tricked into doing it, so continue if you want. or we can be the generation that stops this SHIT hole from collapsing on itsself. we need (nearly) free energy with anti-carbon units that could power NYC for a year without matience. our space brothers can provide that. we need to quit deforesting our forests. we need to stop the coal/nuclear stone age of power. and burning fossil fuels? LOL idiots. comon get with the anti grav... vimana astras... look it up. we can go ahead and trash these roads and big dirty cities. everyone can pusue happiness in education, spirituality, sexuality, and the solar systems and galaxies in general. the technology is on the cusp of release, once we get it we'll never go back to how this is now. its such a joke it isnt even funny anymore. i for one WELCOME OUR SPACE BROTHER TECHNOLOGICAL OVERLORDS OF PEACE AND HAPPINESS.

(ps-if aliens were bad youd already be dead :) :o ;) )

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:11:16 2011 No.3837297 >>3837117 telling people why they can't have a medical procedure is a job? FU.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:16:16 2011 No.3837315 >>3837190 jou can go life in the forest, but then you don't get a free ipad. judging by how you type, are you the guy who sayd FTL =/= time travel?

>>	NavalAnon !!jz5JQZ1dN2Q Sun Oct 2 09:17:16 2011 No.3837323 >>3836987 This is an area where socialists AND libertarian types can both agree is bad!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:19:16 2011 No.3837330 Just ignore them.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:21:16 2011 No.3837337

>>3836941
>America's leftist policies aren't working and are setting us in a huge decline!
>How will we fix this?
>MORE LEFTIST POLICIES, MORE EXTREMITY, MORE MULTICULTURALISM!!!!!

Obangos and liberals are fucking retarded, can't wait for our Empire to collapse so the baby boomers and the brainwashed leftists are washed away because of their stupidity and inability to be self-reliant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:43:16 2011 No.3837407 File: 20 KB, 352x240, 1287092074349.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Demand 11 is fucking HILARIOUS

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:46:16 2011 No.3837415 File: 32 KB, 512x422, Obama-laughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not sure whats more hilarious; the demands themselves or the fact that they expect changes to come of standing around Wall St doing yoga and spouting memes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:47:16 2011 No.3837419 >>3837407 I am speechless. That is just... Fuck. How could anybody be as stupid as these guys?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:52:16 2011 No.3837434 >Look through list for End the Fed >See nothing >look again >still nothing How did they manage to forget the one popular thing that needs to happen? God I hate liberals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 09:57:16 2011 No.3837448 i wanna go there with a sign saying: >PhD in Mathematics >300k starting >any job I want

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:01:16 2011 No.3837459 File: 61 KB, 363x439, 1290438773484.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3837337 >>3837337 Try a litter harder when you troll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:03:16 2011 No.3837466 >>3837448 Yeah they should all get a PhD in mathematics. They are clearly intelligent enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:07:16 2011 No.3837474 File: 52 KB, 536x400, president-obama-laughing2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Were these demands written by kindergardeners?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:08:16 2011 No.3837479 ITT: >theyre so stupid >theys dumb >cant into economics >no one refutes a single point

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:09:16 2011 No.3837481 >>3836946 >freeloader >worker pick one

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:14:16 2011 No.3837490 >>3837479 Dude, most of these demands are economics 101 (ok, maybe little complex but nothing hard to learn) and he somehow managed to fail at every single demand.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:15:16 2011 No.3837496
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>These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Canadianfag here, but I'm sorry. This has got to be a troll site. No one can be this stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:16:16 2011 No.3837501 >Demand one: Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr. >demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. instant bankruptcy

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:16:16 2011 No.3837503 >>3836963 maybe it'd increase funding towards research in robotics and we can finally have full blown robotic everything.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:21:16 2011 No.3837527

>Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Don't they realize how many people would lose their jobs due to this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:23:16 2011 No.3837540 >>3837527 Do you realize how many people lost their jobs when the concentration camps were closed?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:24:16 2011 No.3837541 >>3837527 >These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy. That's the point. They don't understand shit about what they want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:26:16 2011 No.3837550 >>3837540 But their whole platform seems to be maintaining and growing jobs with higher minimum wage.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 10:29:16 2011 No.3837564
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>>3836941

> free college education

> mfw none of these demands are about wall street

> mfw when this will make college pointless and there will be new schooling introduced that is not free and that will be in demand

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:32:16 2011 No.3837568

>>3837550
Seems like that goal would be made easier by dismantling the bloated privatized system that costs people $7000 per person and switching to a system like... every other industrialized country on earth uses that, on average, costs ~$3000 per capita.

Source: http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/index.html

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 10:36:16 2011 No.3837588 >>3837568 The gubbmint accounts for 95 percent of the costs of healthcare. Remove the gubbmint for the true price of healthcare -- cheap.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 10:38:16 2011 No.3837592 >>3837550 The living wage is a myth, you cannot force it. When the prices react to the new wages they will get exactly the same spending power as before, and they will not have a huuuuur derp "living wage."

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 10:41:16 2011 No.3837596 >>3837540 Agreed, government jobs are a drain to the human population.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:42:16 2011 No.3837599 >>3837588 Source.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 10:46:16 2011 No.3837609
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Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

>mfw I have no debt cause I'm not a lazy nigger

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:02:16 2011 No.3837654
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Spread these demands inplace of that shit!:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=12xlsK17IdzIm6PvpikB9hQ1BRC-SI2nHXRei2883Gno

Lets hijack the hipster movement! For science!

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:05:16 2011 No.3837665

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Someone actually had a go at me for not reading their website before.
Now I have and my response is this.
They're full on retards. At least the bankers know they are parasites

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:22:16 2011 No.3837746
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>Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure spending now.

>Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO GET 2 TRILLION DOLLARS FROM!?!?!?

THE FUCK IS THIS!?!?!?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:23:16 2011 No.3837748 >>3837588 Sure. Just don't test drugs anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:24:16 2011 No.3837750 >>3837746 The government can just print the money, right? And that'll make a fuckton of jobs when it's put to work, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:25:16 2011 No.3837756 File: 202 KB, 500x379, 1271246087406.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3837599 So how bout that source bro?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:26:16 2011 No.3837762 >>3837756 Liberty is a troll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:26:16 2011 No.3837765 >>3837750 But then inflation will drive the price of Apple products and Starbucks coffee up and the hippies will protest some more.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:27:16 2011 No.3837768

>>3836958
> it's just some gibberish by an attention seeking lunatic
> Liberal Democrat Yuppie Morons

Well, obviously, but they are ALL the same lunatics. It's a gaggle of lunatics. And I'm sure that many of them have 401K and other such trading accounts, meaning they support Wall Street on the sly.

The protesters are whiny Liberals who can't obtain their dream jobs in academia or government. So they are doing this whining thing. FUCK THEM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:27:16 2011 No.3837771 It saddens me that the only people motivated enough to actually stand up are a bunch of morons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:28:16 2011 No.3837772 >>3837481 Did you forget this part? >Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment. >regardless of employment

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:28:16 2011 No.3837776 >>3837479 Nice try. Quite a few posts ITT say why a given point is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:33:16 2011 No.3837808 >Welfare states have highest quality of life in the world >Americans still don't realise this. What's it like still being in the 19th century luddites?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:35:16 2011 No.3837820 >>3837808 >welfare states >massive austerity cuts >not so-welfare states

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:38:16 2011 No.3837833 >>3837654 >hipster movement Economics is just too mainstream.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:38:16 2011 No.3837834 >>3837820 Austerity cuts due to increased economic global instability, caused by American banks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:39:16 2011 No.3837837 >>3837820 >American banks ruining global markets >Negatively effects EU >Blame EU instead of American banks Luddites gonna ludd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:41:16 2011 No.3837855 >>3837808 I couldn't care less about that. I refuse to live in a country where my wages are garnished to pay for a bunch of lazy fucks who refuse to work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:42:16 2011 No.3837865 Economists don't know anything, out of a several thousand, only a handful were able to predict an incredibly obvious ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.. you bastards don't know anything, and are a useless field.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:49:16 2011 No.3837914 >>3837834 Way to fall into the American's scheme.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:51:16 2011 No.3837934 >>3837855 Then leave

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:53:16 2011 No.3837947 >>3837865 If it was so obvious, lets see your investment portfolio.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:53:16 2011 No.3837948 If you want power. This is the perfect time. Exploit this revolution to your best interests!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:54:16 2011 No.3837959 >>3836987 ...the reason they are leaving their country is because it is poor, and it is poor because their country is not a good place to bring wealth to if you want to keep it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 11:57:16 2011 No.3837985 >>3837855 Your mom refuses to work.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:06:16 2011 No.3838052

>>3837865
> Economists don't know anything, out of a several thousand, only a handful were able to predict an incredibly obvious ECONOMIC COLLAPSE..
> you bastards don't know anything, and are a useless field.

They are not useless. They just don't work for YOU. Economists work for institutions and governments, therefore reflect the interests of institutions and governments, not individuals. Therefore they either love bubbles or claim they can't see 'em forming, then afterward they either love bailouts or claim they can't see 'em happening.

In short, economists work for the rich, therefore reflect the schemes of rich. And the rich are going full-bore now with stealing tax money. Therefore that's what the economists are for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:09:16 2011 No.3838083 File: 53 KB, 450x750, robot1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3837855 Your so-called "work" is meaningless when compared to the efforts done by the most trivial of my superbly glorious mechanisms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:09:16 2011 No.3838084 >>3837865 nice hindsight bias faggot. back in 2005 you probably didnt even know what a credit default swap was!

EconPoser !nHKvW0t1cI Sun Oct 2 12:12:16 2011 No.3838113

>>3838052
>>3837865

Huzzah, two more people who fail to realise what Economists do. Protip: The vast majority of them don't look at housing prices in the US or the complex system of securities, and those who *did* saw the bubble coming. Just because these Economists weren't heard doesn't mean they don't exist.

Now fuck off to some >Biology >Science troll thread, where you belong.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 12:12:16 2011 No.3838117 >>3837808 > americva > not a welfare state Pick one. >>3838052 > leftist "economists" did not predict the crash Um of course, that has been the argument of true economists since day one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:13:16 2011 No.3838122 >>3837947 I have all my money in warren buffet's stock, and I bought a lot of exxon when it was half the price it is now. It is so easy, economics is a kindergarten tier degree.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:13:16 2011 No.3838124 It's actually cute to have such kind of hope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:14:16 2011 No.3838130 >All debt must be stricken from the "Books." [...] I mean all debt on the entire planet period. Why am I not surprised Americans believe they can do that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:15:16 2011 No.3838139 REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER REVOLUTION IS POWER

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:16:16 2011 No.3838155 Is there really a 700 billion dollar bailout ?

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:17:16 2011 No.3838159

>raise rich tax to 70%, lower corporate tax to 10%
>no more oil subsidies or moneys to nations that don't support us
>end wars and overseas bases
>spend all of the moneys on infrastructure, space, and education
>america becomes #1

too bad republicants would never let this happen.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:18:16 2011 No.3838168

Let not forget that most economists are Keynesian and believe that depression and recessions are caused by unpredictable psychological forces. Unpredictability is built right into their theory as a way of giving themselves a pass when they are completely useless.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:18:16 2011 No.3838171
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>PhD in economics plays poker
>gets 2 shitty cards
>tears them up
>calls the shreded cards "triple AAA mortage security bundles"
>risk has been "spread out", goes all in with poker chips
>his face in 2008 when the bundled shreds are actually still really bad cards

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 12:19:16 2011 No.3838176 File: 53 KB, 510x370, george-costanza..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838159 > tax rate to 70 percent > america become number 1

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:21:16 2011 No.3838196 oh jesus christ, they had a chance to actually do soemthing good and they just turned this into a total derpfest

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:21:16 2011 No.3838199 >>3838122 >down market conditions >holding cyclical stocks like energy >commodity prices going down the shitter HAHAAHHAHHA

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 12:22:16 2011 No.3838207

>>3838171

This explains it better:

> gubbmint forces more loans to subprime people through law, and general mafia tactics
> the companies know they cannot make money this way so they bundle all of them
> they sell them
> they insure themselves for losses
> eventually credit dries up
> they get dumbass politicians (democrats were the majority in both the senate and the congress) to bail them out
> fascism wins again, and democrats are why

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:24:16 2011 No.3838213 >>3838199 >implying I didn't take warren's advice and sell when everyone is being greedy as hell in 2006 >implying didn't make a boatload of money

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:24:16 2011 No.3838214 The bailout is bullshit. You broke it, you bought it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:25:16 2011 No.3838228 But I believe in both those things

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:26:16 2011 No.3838233 >>3838213 >selling in 2006 >not waiting till mid 2007 when dow hit 14k to dump HAHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:26:16 2011 No.3838235

>>3838176
>in 1950, america was #1 in everything
>in 1950, tax rate for top tier earners was 80%
>in 2011, america is shitty
>in 2011 income tax for top tier earners is less then income tax for upper middle class, at a measly 17%

liberty, just because your parents were liberal, it doesn't mean you have to be a contrarian faggot

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:27:16 2011 No.3838239

>Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
>decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
>nuclear power plants.

ASHFGHFKDFKAJHFHFDKJGRJEN I SWEAR I AM THIS CLOSE FROM GOING DOWN THERE AND FLAMETHROWERING ANYONE WHO TRULY BELIEVES THIS.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:29:16 2011 No.3838249

>>3838214
the bailout was not capitalism. its the antithesis of capitalism. instead of letting the banks fail and forcing them to compete we subsidized them.

2 reasons

1.revolving door b/w corporate world and govt. guys like henry paulson (former goldman ceo) should not be allowed to become treasury secretary

2.america is slowly going towards crony capitalism/corporatocracy, where certain laws favor certain corporations

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:29:16 2011 No.3838250 >>3838239 I'd be okay with it, but only if we built brand new ones to replace those archaic pieces of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:29:16 2011 No.3838252 File: 2 KB, 126x126, 1313445602738.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Occupy Wall Street is the liberal Tea Party. >MFW

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:30:16 2011 No.3838264

>>3838233
>maybe because I don't take large risks, like you faggot economists have a bad habit of doing
>I made 70% profit instead of 100% profit, but atleast I didn't lost my fucking pants
>I've bought back a lot of shit after the collapse, and have made solid profits on everything
>in 2008, all the economists were suddenly pessimistic
>because all economists are retards, I knew it was time to buy
>made another boatload of money
>I bought boat with money
>I now live in boat

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:31:16 2011 No.3838267 >>3838264 >boatloads Stop lying, money doesn't come in boats

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:31:16 2011 No.3838269

>>3838113
> Huzzah, two more people who fail to realise what Economists do

Ha haa, cocks wander your face.

Economists do what their employers want them to do, or they will not be employed. You know what an unemployed economist is called? A BLOGGER.

Sine economists who are employed just do what their employers tell them to, then they serve the interests of those same employers. And those interests are pretty much just the destruction of the middle class to keep fueling the expansion of the rich and the corporations and the govt, all of which are the employers or economists.

You know what you call an economist who according to his calculations, insisted that his employer stop doing something? UNEMPLOYED. Then he either got with the program (returning to employment, and getting quoted in the media), or he became a blogger (who is ignored).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:33:16 2011 No.3838275 >>3838267 says the economist who hasn't predicted a single thing correctly in the past decade I could turn all my money into singles, and filled a small pool with it, and swim backstroke in it. I CAN RENT ANYTHING I WANT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:34:16 2011 No.3838284 >>3838264 >buying in 2008 >not waiting till march 2009 when the dow hit 6k to buy HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:34:16 2011 No.3838285 >>3838275 But... can you rent love?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 12:35:16 2011 No.3838288 >>3838235 > 17 percent > the tax rate for anyone in america Pick one.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 12:35:16 2011 No.3838290 >Demand seven: ...decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants. I lol'd

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:35:16 2011 No.3838291 >>3838285 What is love?

>>	EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Sun Oct 2 12:36:15 2011 No.3838297 >>3838291 INB4 baby don't hurt me

>>	EK !EKFQOBUFnQ Sun Oct 2 12:36:15 2011 No.3838302 File: 25 KB, 350x294, rageguy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838296

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:36:16 2011 No.3838299 wait i had something... ... hold on, give me a minute.. ..

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:36:16 2011 No.3838300 >>3838291 >he doesn't know what love is Don't you see what money has done to you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:36:16 2011 No.3838303 >>3838239 We are already decomissioning the nuclear powerplants in sweden. And it's going quite well actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:36:16 2011 No.3838296 >>3838291 Baby don't hurt me...

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:41:16 2011 No.3838324 >>3838303 The timeline is several decades and some people are predicting a complete decomissioning will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:43:16 2011 No.3838337 >>3838303 I suppose if America were to develop a LFTR and start up some of those.

insidious gODs Sun Oct 2 12:45:16 2011 No.3838350

>>3838324
Nope, not really. We have already shut down two of our 6 powerplants. And one of those (Barsebäck) was closed down recently 2005.

It's going quite well, and we are already having a bigger growth of wood than we are consuming. It's estimated that less than 45% of the power comes from nuclear plants today. Which is good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:45:16 2011 No.3838351 >>3838207 >says gubbmint >isn't even an oldfag $$$ COSTANZA.JPEG $$$

EconPoser !nHKvW0t1cI Sun Oct 2 12:45:16 2011 No.3838352

Big fucking [citation needed]. Go grab your tinfoil hat, while you ramble your goddamned conspiracy theories about how 'the rich control you'.

Also, never knew objective economic research (academia) was there to 'make the rich richer'. I'm sure you know best, though.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:48:16 2011 No.3838364

>>3838239
That flouride thorium shit... seems like it could fucking rock our world.
Decommission current nuclear with those in replace. Still nuclear, but efficient nuclear. If the efficiency is as good as they say, we could probably construct massive electrically operated transportation grids for fast and cheap travel. That would drastically lower vehicle emissions by providing an actual better alternative and save people a shit ton of money and time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:50:16 2011 No.3838369 >>3838364 It would also allow for industry to drastically reduce dirtier fuels. The video from google talks... what at the moment could power the US for what the next, 8000 years?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:51:16 2011 No.3838375 >>3838352 you don't need a tinfoil hat to see people are greedy as fuck.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 12:52:16 2011 No.3838381 >>3838364 That will probably happen when the price of oil passes the $300 mark.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:53:16 2011 No.3838384 >>3838352 Yes it is. If all the money suddenly disappeared and no one was rich, what would Economists study? Put another way, how many studies are done on Apple or Wallmart compared to the booze selling cornerstores or 1$ stores?

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:54:16 2011 No.3838390

>>Demand one/Demand three

You don't have to end "Freetrade" to acomplish this. Simply raising the minimum wage would ensure that every person in the country got the money they needed to live well. Inflation can be prevented by setting price limits (A certain % of manufactering/labor costs), thus forcing companies to either cheapen the quality of their goods or cut the salaries of executives. The free market will ensure that the cheapest highest quality product will win. Also countries like China are relying on us to put worth into their economy, if we stopped buying from them hundreds of millions would fall back into the lowest depths of poverty.

>>Demand two

You don't have to ban private insurers to make it work-they won't be able to compete with the prices of a none-profit insurance company.

>>Demand eight

What does this even mean? Everyone is, by the constitution, granted equal rights. This is a social problem that can't be fixed by laws.

>>Demand eleven

Whoever wrote this confirmed for retard.

>>	EconPoser !nHKvW0t1cI Sun Oct 2 12:56:16 2011 No.3838393 >>3838384 Since when do Economists only study 'money'? Money is a tool - without it, Economies would still exist (but would run a lot less efficiently)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:56:16 2011 No.3838395 >>3838390 >this is a social problem that can't be fixed by laws That's one of the reasons people said that outlawing slavery would be a bad idea

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:56:16 2011 No.3838396 >Demand four: Free college education. OHOHOHO

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 12:57:16 2011 No.3838398 >>3838390 > set wages > set prices Haha, commies try this always. And it ALWAYS ends in more fascism, more inequality, and more hilarity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:58:16 2011 No.3838406 >>3838398 >set wages >set prices say hello to the underground economy

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 12:59:16 2011 No.3838410 >>3838396 But Canadians and Europeans already get this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:00:16 2011 No.3838413 >>3838410 And that's why you need a master's degree to get a job at McDonald's there

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:01:16 2011 No.3838415 >>3838413 >implying

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:03:16 2011 No.3838420 Guys, if you are against these demands then you are part of a conspiracy. No, really: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/ky4yc/as_the_occupy_wall_street_protests_are_occurring/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:04:16 2011 No.3838428 >>3838396 Yeah. How are they going to pay the football team if they don't charge you 20 000$ a year? Catching balls is expensive as hell.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 13:05:16 2011 No.3838432 >>3838410 No they don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:06:16 2011 No.3838437 >>3838410 it's not free in Canada. Cheap, yes but not free. Tuition is ~$800/semester. And we still get hippies complaining it's too expensive

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:06:16 2011 No.3838438 >>3838428 >implying colleges pay their players >implying colleges don't make millions off of merchandizing

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:06:16 2011 No.3838442 >>3838432 It's subsidized to a tiny fraction of what it costs in the US. >>3838438 They pay in scholarships.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:07:16 2011 No.3838446 >>3838413 Naw man, we just replace em with robots. No joke, even the cheap-o-food stores the welfare people use have automated tellers now.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:07:16 2011 No.3838449
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>>3838437
>Tuition is ~$800/semester.
That's practically free compared to the thousands I have to pay for in state tuition every semester.

>And we still get hippies complaining it's too expensive
MFW

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:09:16 2011 No.3838452 Just look at this hipster, her profile says much about what kind of protesters they are http://www.youtube.com/user/SurvivalWithBushcraf

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:10:16 2011 No.3838458 >>3838449 Yes, but international students have to pay about 5 times more. So unless you're a Canadian, it's still gonna cost.

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sun Oct 2 13:11:16 2011 No.3838460
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>>3836956
>>3836941
>Demand seven: ...decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

OKAY WHAT THE BLEEDING FUCK, I HAVE HALTED ALL SUPPORT FOR THEM AS A MOVEMENT

I HOPE REALLY BAD RIOTS HAPPEN BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO SO SOMETHING CAN SHAKE UP

BUT NOOO THEY HAVE TO BE THE STEREOTYPICAL THICK-AS-MOLASSES HIPPIES EUUURGHH

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:13:16 2011 No.3838469 Holy shit, I really don't think these guys know how economy works. It sounds like they're not even trying to hide the fact they're asking for handouts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:15:16 2011 No.3838479 >>3838381 We could also probably implement universal battery standards and have 'charge' stations that allow you to exchange batteries an just swap it and you're read to go again for electric vehicles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:15:16 2011 No.3838478 These idiots need to get people like lawyers, economists, scientists, and others with an actual education to write their demands because this is just embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:15:16 2011 No.3838480 >>3838469 well the donate button on the website was kindof a give away

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:15:16 2011 No.3838481

>MFW demand eleven
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Holy shit, they really think they're having that large of an impact.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:16:16 2011 No.3838483 >>3838479 then african americans steal all the batteries

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:20:16 2011 No.3838503 >>3838437 try 800$ per class per semester and you'd be right. Though i'm still not complaining. 7000$ per semester of school really isn't that bad compared to most other countries.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:25:16 2011 No.3838520

>>3838483
Every box will have a negro theft repulsion device built in. A complex math equation to unlock the unit.

Eh, they could steal your shit anyway. If they keep the battery costs low it shouldn't be too bad, especially given that there should be enough of them so that they're relatively cheap. It would be better to just implement a sub five minute charging station though.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:26:16 2011 No.3838524

>>3838469
1 farmer with machines makes enough food for 1000 people. (Rural population is 4 for 100, but it's going down.)
1 doctor per 1000 is the ratio most govs aim for (But not in america. There aren't actually enough doctors to see every american.)
10 guys doing mostly automated crafting/baking
10 guys building houses
10 guys doing power and utilities

1000 - 32 = 968 surplus humans.

The rest can do telemarketing or work at Wallstreet I guess.

>>	Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:31:16 2011 No.3838537 Letting America's hegemony over the auto industry slip away was the worst mistake we ever made. Just throwing that out there.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sun Oct 2 13:32:16 2011 No.3838542 File: 93 KB, 779x610, 1304547801935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838537 Gotta start making Thorium-powered flying cars

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 13:33:16 2011 No.3838544 >>3838524 The surplus humans can be free labour.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:33:16 2011 No.3838545 >>3838537 Taxation that is too high in a state will make them leave said state. This is proven with Michigan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:36:16 2011 No.3838557 Tax all income past two million a year at 90% Make tax evasion punishable by death

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 13:37:16 2011 No.3838561 >>3838557 That's called tyranny.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:38:16 2011 No.3838563 >Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now. That is their only good demand. It seems like they're a whole bunch of left wing radicals.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:40:16 2011 No.3838576 >>3838557 Tax all income below twenty thousand a year at 90%. They now pay for their own welfare. Make tax evasion punishable by death/works camps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:43:16 2011 No.3838589 >>3838561 wasnt it jefferson who said "the tree of tyranny must be washed with the blood of patriots and libertarians"

>>	Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:43:16 2011 No.3838591 >>3838563 This. Spending money on infrastructure that is NOT HIGHWAYS is usually a pretty good idea, especially right now when we need it. Hell we could just spend it all on fixing bridges.

>>	Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:45:16 2011 No.3838601 >>3838561 That's called an ad hominem. When Eisenhower was president the top income tax bracket was 90% and the 50's were one of the best periods of growth in American history. Taxation has little or nothing to do with job creation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:45:16 2011 No.3838602 >>3838591 As an engineerfag that could only get a shitty $35K a year job, I agree.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:47:16 2011 No.3838607 Quite interesting, this event. Seems to be a second strike of the hippie movement of the 60's-70's. Built on a template of love and peace, but naive and childish at heart.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:47:16 2011 No.3838613 >>3838589 >>3838589 Haha, socialist detected.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:48:16 2011 No.3838619

In case you guys forgot, this is pretty much how the American Revolution started. A couple smart people want to work the system so they encourage the general population to make completely unreasonable and idiotic demands that the government cannot meet. Even though the government tries to reconcile, outbursts and polarization of the interested groups pushes them to isolated instances of violence. Eventually an occupying force is sent in, and no one knows who fires first, but the world will never be the same.

Yeah, they're being retarded. But they probably serve others who actually know what they're doing. Who the fuck benefits the most in the long run is questionable though, better watch out

>>	Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:49:16 2011 No.3838621 File: 191 KB, 1238x641, Palast_der_Republik_DDR_1977.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838613 You don't know what socialism is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:49:16 2011 No.3838622 >>3838542 As far as I can recall there aren't many games where Russia and America fight really and when in those games isn't it typically Russia invading the fuck out of us in a major way? Sounds like a lot of complaining for nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:49:16 2011 No.3838624 File: 1.98 MB, 352x290, 1317344419449.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the comments

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:51:16 2011 No.3838631 >>3838619 Wanting representation in parliament was unreasonable? That's news to me.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:52:16 2011 No.3838634 File: 13 KB, 460x276, Barack-Obama2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838601 > correlation is causation > name references science

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:53:16 2011 No.3838639 >>3838619 tin foil time Sorry but its just a bunch of retarded hippies. Dont have jobs? maybe they should have gotten something other than an arts, english, history, philo degree

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:53:16 2011 No.3838640 File: 130 KB, 811x768, 1293852232238.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dear America, Copy Finland. Regards, Scandinavia

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:54:16 2011 No.3838643 >>3838601 no...................America prospered because of the cold war. Everyone had a job building something in case of a war.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:55:16 2011 No.3838648 >>3838640 >furries no thanks

Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:55:16 2011 No.3838651

>>3838619
Although I agree with your point about the Revolution being at least partly directed by a wealthy, educated class, the demands placed by the general populace on the British government were not unreasonable. There is nothing wrong with demanding clarity in judicial institutions or a say in how revenue is collected and distributed. We might still be a part of the Commonwealth today if we had been granted real representation in Parliament, or if the Continental Congress had been recognized by George III.

Although Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton et. al. were instrumental in guiding the Revolution once it got off the ground, it never would have succeeded if the common people weren't already pissed off at the Royal Government. Decades of mismanagement and unnecessary brutality had created a simmering discontent that only needed a few sparks to touch it off. That, and the fact that George III didn't understand that Americans weren't really British people anymore.

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Sun Oct 2 13:56:16 2011 No.3838655 >>3838648 Yes please.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:56:16 2011 No.3838658

>>3838631
Congrats, you just proved yourself to be a pawn too.

John Adams knew representation in Parliament wouldn't do jack shit since the American delegates would always get fucked out of the vote.

Also:
>wah Britain go to war for us
>WTF why should we have to pay taxes for that war
>wah stamp tax
>wah they reduced taxes but they're still too high!
>only option is open rebellion, grab a musket errybody it doesn't matter that we're the minority in the colonies

As an American citizen you should recognize our history of retardation

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:56:16 2011 No.3838659 File: 42 KB, 600x500, 1294762681791.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838648 >America largest concentration of furries

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !btr76hqMa6 Sun Oct 2 13:56:16 2011 No.3838660 >>3838655 So here we meet again, my impersonator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 13:57:16 2011 No.3838663 >>3838619 The American Revolution was propagandist bullshit. >hurr durr no taxation without representation >oh wait Benjamin Franklin was our representative in Parliament >oh wait he voted for taxes on the colonies >hurr let's rewrite history

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:57:30 2011 No.3838661 >>3838621 Socialism of the German pattern. Pic related:

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 13:59:16 2011 No.3838672 File: 80 KB, 350x256, ebensee-subcamp-5-7-45-usarchives-pd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838621 Socialism of the German pattern. Pic related:

Sciontist !t73JkdmVlQ Sun Oct 2 13:59:16 2011 No.3838674

>>3838634
There is no correlation. That's my point.
>>3838658
A massive oversimplification that ignores the Intolerable Acts, the closing of Boston Harbor, the antagonistic attitude of the British government towards basically everybody, etc. Good job trying to impersonate an American though.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 14:01:16 2011 No.3838682 >>3838674 I am well aware there is no correlation with high taxes and prosperity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:01:16 2011 No.3838684 Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants. >all of my rage

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:06:16 2011 No.3838710
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>>3838684
About that...
why the fuck are we
>restoration planting forests,
Trying to fix other countries problems?
We take care of our shit and produce cycles for harvesting our forests when we're not buying it from Canada because we're already busy protecting our forest land.

deforestation, etc... that's a problem in countries where people aren't making shitloads of money of it an Joe schmoe are ripping it down for their use without replanting forests and cycles when they do. See south america for an example of this.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:09:16 2011 No.3838733

>>3838113

I read something on zerohedge that pointed out that even if you do see the bubble coming, you have no idea when it will burst. You can then loose your shirt betting against the market as the bubble inflates away, and loose your shirt again when it bursts later than you expected.

happy thought.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:12:16 2011 No.3838746 What we really need a single person who can take the blame and run the country into the ground, dragging the rest of the world with us, until someone kills him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:14:16 2011 No.3838756 >>3838733 >loose die

iranus Sun Oct 2 14:14:16 2011 No.3838760

You guys need to relax.

They don't actually expect all of this is going to happen, they just want to set a principle.

Generally you start by making ridiculous demands and then compromise your way down.
If you start reasonably you are going to get less than what you really deserve.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:17:16 2011 No.3838766

>>3838746

why not just a political revolution? Between the tea party and these wall street protesters, we are clearly in the middle of one. It is just too early to see the shape of what is coming, but there is no reason to think that anything violent will happen.

These are legitimately interesting times.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 14:19:16 2011 No.3838775 >>3838760 ....or you end up looking like a group of retarded hippies and nobody takes you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:19:16 2011 No.3838776 I like how perfectly the hat fits the guy in the picture.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 14:24:16 2011 No.3838810 >>3838760 They have nothing to bargain with. If anything it will get worse because of them.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:25:16 2011 No.3838815

>>3838643
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/05/23/russia-to-west-dont-defend-yourselves-or-well-start-
an-arms-race/

Technically, we're still kind of fighting that. We're constantly dealing with Russia in missile defense trying to keep them at bay. We just don't make a ton of noise about it.
I remember about a year ago or so they were discussing the missile defense acts and Russia taking it as aggression in congress.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:25:16 2011 No.3838816

in practice, Conservatards always are doing worse. In the United States, the Conservatives states are the shittiest. On a world level, Northern European Socialist nations (Germany, Scandinavian nations) are the best, or on par with australia and canada (both of which are much more liberal than the united states).

Consertivism is a failed system, liberty. Give up Liberty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:26:16 2011 No.3838821 >>3837865 >I like to argue by CAPITALIZING CERTAIN WORDS in a STATEMENT because I DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:27:16 2011 No.3838825 >>3838766 Violence is a perfect catalyst. A scapegoat everyone can agree on is a unifying agent. A bloodless revolution never stays, and it never solves anything

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 14:27:16 2011 No.3838826 >>3838816 I am not a conservative.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:29:16 2011 No.3838843 >>3838816 It's funny you mention Germany because you know what their plan for the bad economy was? They made it easier to hire/fire people, lowered wages, & lowered corporoate taxes. I bet we could do that in America if you want.

iranus Sun Oct 2 14:29:16 2011 No.3838846

>>3838766

maybe some of them are seriously reform minded but I think unfortunately without one single message or set of ideologies to rally around the tea party has become burdened by many people who simply have no clue what's going on but just want to take it out on someone, perhaps Obama, and others who have been totally deluded to serve the interests of powers that already be, believing government can do them no good and they must depend on private businesses.

Hey, maybe it started off as a conservative grass roots movement, but it is no longer that.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:29:16 2011 No.3838848

>>3838303
Nuclear power shows the most promise for an immediate replacement for fossil fuel.

Most people are worried with it being unsafe, but most of the modern designs, that would just take a slight upgrade to today's power plants, and they would be safe.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Sun Oct 2 14:30:16 2011 No.3838852 File: 52 KB, 575x415, ghd_billmurray_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838816 > mfw germany only got better because they dropped their corporate tax rate 20 percentage points over the last 20 of so years

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:32:16 2011 No.3838869 >>3838410 They also have huge taxes, which all the people at OCW would protest as well. They just want to be big and revolutionary after seeing all those Egypt and Libya protests.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:33:16 2011 No.3838874 I think these protestors would probably be very happy with a system like Sweden's. But, when you start negotiations you always have to ask for more than what you really want. That's why these demands might be a bit over the top.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 14:35:16 2011 No.3838883 >>3838848 Nuclear was safer than coal since when it was invented. It's only retards believing in the bullshit spouted by the oil lobbyists who are opposing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:37:16 2011 No.3838905 >>3838852 yes, I made that post, and I would support low corporate tax, but a high tax on the wealthy. I mean c'mon, rich people don't create jobs, but corporations do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:40:16 2011 No.3838924 Economics...whata pseudoscience...

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:42:16 2011 No.3838937 >>3838883 and by 'safer' you mean if a coal-fired powerplant explodes 20 miles from me, my milk will be contaminated?

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:43:16 2011 No.3838950

>>3838846

In the last congressional election, I really liked how the tea party folks broke out how everyone up for re-election had voted, and interviewed all candidates for their position on economic/conservative issues. There never was (that I saw) a stated tea-party candidate in the elections I voted in, but given the results of that election, many in the electorate all made the same sorts of decisions.

There was (and I think still is) a core collection of grounded and realistic philosophies behind the 'tea party', that perhaps the wall street protestors don't have (at least if those demands are real).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:43:16 2011 No.3838951 >>3838937 Coal contaminates you constantly.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 14:44:16 2011 No.3838958 >>3838937 Yes, but your milk will be contaminated regardless of whether if the coal plant explodes or not, since the fly ash it pumps out every day is greater than the combined of all nuclear reactors that have ever existed.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:46:16 2011 No.3838963

>>3838937
Well if you look at modern designs, it probably wouldn't do shit to you.
I'm unfamiliar with the terminology, but there are numerous safeguards in modern Nuclear Power Plant designs today.

Fossil fuels on the other hand, is constantly releasing smog into the atmosphere and not to mention all dat global warming.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:47:16 2011 No.3838972

>>3838937
If you're going to be retarded, get the fuck off /sci/. We don't need your bullshit luddite attitude, we don't want your "I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED" trolling, and we especially don't want people who have formed their opinion before even educating themselves. Nuclear Plants don't just "explode" but can face meltdowns in the event of a natural disaster (Fukushima) or misuse (Chernobyl). There is a downside of create nuclear waste, but compared to the shit that the alternatives offer it's much worth it

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:49:16 2011 No.3838987 >>3838950 Really? When I saw the Tea Party on television, their demands didn't make sense and was all rooted in blind patriotism. God knows that's the last thing anyone needs...

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:50:16 2011 No.3839002 File: 21 KB, 254x310, 1262921171945.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >free college education

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:51:16 2011 No.3839008 >>3839002 >something that civilized countries have

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:51:16 2011 No.3839009
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>>3838987
But, but, but, all these demands are stupid as hell except for maybe one or two, and most of their demands are rooted in uneducated/blind knowledge of how the economy works!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:52:16 2011 No.3839014 >>3839008 College education is not a right, it's a privilege.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:53:16 2011 No.3839019

>>3839008
>MFW the reason that most of the top colleges in the world are in the US is because they have the most funding/money.

Sure, other countries have a couple big schools, but that's only one or two, which all of the country's money goes to, rather than a bunch of schools having a bunch of money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:53:16 2011 No.3839025 >>3839014 This is actually what americans believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:54:16 2011 No.3839028 >>3839002 I'm down

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 14:54:16 2011 No.3839030 >>3839014 Why is universal education a bad thing again?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:54:16 2011 No.3839033 >>3839014 So is freedom of speech. What's your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:55:16 2011 No.3839039 >>3839008 If this happened, you would see the same people on Wall Street a week after the fact, because of the ridiculously high tax rates that would be imposed on everyone, including lower middle class to upper class.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:56:16 2011 No.3839044 >>3839030 It's not, the government pays for education all the way up to high school, and even makes it a law up to age 16, which is something many other countries don't even have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 14:59:16 2011 No.3839057 >>3839030 The rich still want higher education to be restricted to either people that can afford it themselves or to people they sponsor through scholarships.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:00:16 2011 No.3839067 File: 24 KB, 461x403, giorgio.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3839057 >This is what conspiracy theorists think

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:04:16 2011 No.3839094 >>3839057 why is higher education overly liberal and anti-capitalist and anti-establishment? higher education teaches us why this current society is bad

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:05:16 2011 No.3839096 Uninformed leftists general? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:06:16 2011 No.3839098 >>3839067 No conspiracy at all. That's how colleges actually worked a century ago. You either had your family pay for it or had to get someone rich and influential to sponsor you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:07:16 2011 No.3839110 >>3839098 Religion was also controlled governments a while ago, so what.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:09:16 2011 No.3839116

The European Left wants to make everyone middle-middle class no matter how much money you make.

The European Right agrees with everything the European Left support except they all want immigrants gone and immigration banned.

The American Left wants to make everyone equally poor.

The American Right wants to keep rich people rich and make poor people stay poor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:09:16 2011 No.3839118 >>3839044 But I think as a society we've gotten to the point where you need more than high school

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:09:16 2011 No.3839121 How do I join the power elite? Or join the Illuminati? I would love to be a part of masked orgies. masked orgies > street meditating. How do I do it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:09:16 2011 No.3839124 >>3839116 European Left seems like the best

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:10:16 2011 No.3839128 >>3839110 And they would love to do so again. Do you think we should simply roll over and let them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:10:16 2011 No.3839129 >>3837855 a 'bunch'... TANF 3.6 % ... 95% of who are women.. average payment 366 dollars a month..... How much did the 'war' in Iraq cost us?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:10:16 2011 No.3839132 >>3839121 You need to be Jewish to join the power elite.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:10:16 2011 No.3839134

>>3838987

The core of the tea party seems to be the limited government aspect. (that I would agree with). There is a lot of "America is great and special" among the tea party crowd too.

TV is worthless. Turn it off. The only way anything makes it on the news if it is sensationalist and intellectually byte-sized, with a suitably simple message. Anything that makes it on required extensive filtering to find something of low enough quality to be suitable.

I caught a glimpse of that process once, and it is nauseating.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:10:16 2011 No.3839125

>>3839094
If you actually believe this, you've never been to a real university and only base your opinions on what you read on 4chan. I have never had a professor announces their political stance except for economics, for which the said teacher was mildly conservative

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:11:16 2011 No.3839140 >>3839129 But you can't put a price on freedom! U S A U S A

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:12:16 2011 No.3839145 File: 86 KB, 256x256, 1315359920971.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3839096 Oh god, my sides, made my day, thanks for this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:13:16 2011 No.3839148 >>3839134 >The core of the tea party seems to be deregulate all business and get that nigger out of the White House. fixed

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:15:16 2011 No.3839158 >>3839132 I have an awfully big nose for a gentile..if i study and marry a jewish girl think that'll help? I think thats the plan. need to hang out at jewish singles places. im on my way to the top now

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:15:16 2011 No.3839161 I was watching Countdown with Keith Olbermann. They showed a segment of some disgusting hippie chick complaining that she was pepper sprayed and that the pepper spray hurt. Next time protest the people that passed the bailout bill instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:16:16 2011 No.3839163 >>3839158 >implying that Jewish girls will marry your uncircumcised dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:19:16 2011 No.3839181 >>3837479 >no one refutes a single point >see five to ten posts explaining why these are fucking stupid demands

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:20:16 2011 No.3839190 >>3839158 I wouldn't do that if I were you, there's a whole lot of bitching in Jew families. Also I've only met one hot (half) Jew chick

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:21:16 2011 No.3839206

>>3839148

well no. and perhaps yes.

Tea party is not big business oriented, that would be the traditional republican party, that is just as bad as the democrats.

Getting Obama out seems to be a pretty high priority. Given Obama's comment that these guys represent the 'old america' being run out of power, and all the tea party types I've seen are solid middle class and typically small business owners (i.e. the bedrock of the US), there is no love lost anywhere between these camps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:21:16 2011 No.3839207 >news media treats tea party as racist idiots >news media treats retards in masks asking for stupid things like they are social justice heroes

Jesus Sun Oct 2 15:25:16 2011 No.3839223

Dear OP, as stupid as giving everyone a basic wage sounds -- you can increase the base pay for working. Even if illegals were to get this money, the effect would be a transfer of taxes to local governments and a steady supply of money to local farmers/food places/grocery markets. Now, if this money is given on a card -- it can be appropriately controlled as to where it is being spent. Current social security needs reform so that this is possible.

If you make the difference between working and 'doing nothing' large enough, you will give people incentive to get off the dole. In any case, there is still value to allow people to do nothing as it will increase the amount of 'out of box' thinkers, if only slightly.

The largest problems with this plan is 1) greedy people, 2) energy production in the form of oil/gas, 3) uneducated morons.

Since General Electric owns your education system -- we can expect none of this to happen and your 'working slave to get useless objects so you can continue to work and have no freetime' system will continue.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:25:16 2011 No.3839226

"Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period."

Please kill these hipsters. They are too stupid to live.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:28:16 2011 No.3839233 I dont understand this talk about corporate controlled education. Do corporations prevent you from reading a book or something?

Jesus Sun Oct 2 15:32:16 2011 No.3839269

>>3839233
They do not encourage it, and instead, glorify stupidity on the media and brainwash you with garbage. GE also owns comcast and most of what you see.

Appropriate attention should be given to mathematics at an early age and not just "calculate this number", but understand what is really going on. History is manipulated and also fed to you by GE. They do nothing but feed fear and waste time with garbage programming instead of forcing it to be educating and boring -- the consequences of which would be to GET THE FUCK OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING.

Its absolute garbage -- everywhere I look -- and I despise it. Most people do not even understand what math can do.

Our education system should be teaching people how to balance check books, put out fires, repair roads at the very least.

Jesus Sun Oct 2 15:34:16 2011 No.3839280

There should be large rewards for becoming intelligent. You should get paid to study -- not go into debt.

Things are fucked up because they love slaves and the old farts in power can't think well enough to fix ANYTHING. I hate this planet and I hate most of you brainwashed people. *pissing into the ocean*

I still love you tho.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:35:16 2011 No.3839290

>>3839269
Actually, that's just what sells.

The American public glorifies all of this stupidity, as a response, keep that in mind, it's a response, they give them what they want because they want money.

Entertainment companies aren't going to give the American public what they don't want (and lose money in the process) to give the public what they think is "right".

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:36:16 2011 No.3839295 >>3839280 They do, they're called grants, scholarships, funding, etc. Most of it just goes to stuff that is actually useful though, such as engineering, science, vocational training, etc. Not to art and philosophy.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:37:16 2011 No.3839302

>>3839233

well it is setup basically to be day-care for kids, so mom and dad can go labor in the factory for near-minimum wage. Meanwhile you don't learn how to independently think and learn just as much skills as are necessary to replace mom and dad when they wear out. Oh and that whole stamping out any individuality and learning to take direction obediently and quietly from the 'teacher', later to be replaced by a manager.

Of course companies figured out how to automate and export jobs, so the average person is now pretty much useless.

You can become an independent thinker in the American school system, because you have the freedom of summer vacation to explore and become what you want to be. Of course summer vacation is in danger of being stamped out as an obsolete component of our pre-industrial past (as if we are not post-industrial)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:39:16 2011 No.3839311 Christ, I this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard

Jesus Sun Oct 2 15:41:16 2011 No.3839320

>>3839295
They are made difficult to get. People with little resources are at a bigger disadvantage than those with no resources. There is STILL a culture of stupidity that is a larger problem than funding. I understand that you can get a free ride if you are intelligent -- I am one of them -- but many are victims of a failed education system which is being made worse over time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:41:16 2011 No.3839321 >>3839280 what is your metric for people who are deserving of this though?

>>	Jesus Sun Oct 2 15:45:16 2011 No.3839345 >>3839311 Unfortunately, 'the dumbest shit ever' is your own ego. Follow the money and how it helps people. We have an unlimited supply. If we had federal money -- AND state money?

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:45:16 2011 No.3839346

>>3839320
I agree public school education should be better, I think most can agree with that.

However, I'll have to disagree with you saying those at a bigger disadvantage have it hugely difficult to get such grants.

I currently go to school in a community college near a really low-education environment (Detroit), and while I can afford to go to a better university in state (with some help from student loans of course, I just didn't so I could stay home and save money), a lot of these people can't, but the school has so many counseling resources and is constantly advertising (if you want to call it that) aid programs that come from the government and various organizations.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:47:16 2011 No.3839356

>>3839345
>unlimited supply
Oh, so this is why those protesters think that we can just throw away all of the world's debt and just grant student loan amnesty and live in a world where we debt doesn't exist and we don't have to pay for the things we want.

Sent from my iPhone.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:51:16 2011 No.3839377

>>3839295
As much as it pains me to says this, not just engineers and scientists deserve this. It is actually unfair to people with interests in those areas to deny them funding. Also there isn't nearly enough money in these programs to say that people automatically get a scholarship if they want to become an engineer. It's quite competitive and I know intelligent people who suffer for it. Physics majors, computer engineers and many others have had to drop out because of monetary issues, so yes we do need to mend this one

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:53:16 2011 No.3839391 >>3839356 We could always just topple the government and establish a new currency. There's a lot of potential fun to be had here

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:54:16 2011 No.3839399

>>3839377
I was using it as an example.

The point I was making was that philosophy and art graduates shouldn't be getting so angry that they can't find a job in that field that pays accordingly.

They should know that the job market for that field is already small, even before the recession.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:55:16 2011 No.3839406

>>3839391
Yes, there's also a lot of potential set back with that.

All advancement as a society and scientifically would be halted for decades while we try to get our shit together.

It's not as simple as just saying we don't want to use the dollar and bringing in a new currency to replace it. All the current values on thing would need to be reset and reestablished and so on.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:58:16 2011 No.3839418

>>3839377
public money should really only go to things that benefit the public. there isn't a shortage of people with hobby degrees like art and philosophy, but there is a shortage of qualified STEM people in certain fields. this obviously varies by location, but it's hard to make a case that there is an artist shortage like there is a nurse/doctor/whatever shortage.

honestly, to take a step back, education funding is something that should be done at a state and/or local level in the US. that way if you want to live in a state that subsidizes and produces more sociology/art/women's studies/philosophy majors you can do that, or you can go live somewhere where the bulk of funding goes to professions with a shortage of workers. hell, or somewhere that doesn't have huge subsidies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 15:59:16 2011 No.3839426 >>3839418 There's an excellent example of this; Nursing. There was a huge need for nurses a little ago, and now you see tons of people going into school to become nurses.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 15:59:16 2011 No.3839432 >>3839406 Actually, without a new ideology behind the revolution, everything will go back to as they were before the revolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:01:16 2011 No.3839442 >>3839432 Yeah, that's true, I just thought the guy was making more a point besides "let's use circle dollars instead of rectangles".

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:06:16 2011 No.3839465 >>3839426 i haven't seen any evidence of a significant increase in support for nursing students or huge increase in number of people studying to be nurses. got any links?

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:11:16 2011 No.3839491

>>3839418
What you're assuming is that all humanities majors don't contribute to society and it is merely a "hobby". As it is we have a huge entertainment industry that can always use more artists, apparently a constant need for all sorts of lawyers and a good supply of social scientists/anthropologists to observe human behaviors in this rapidly changing world so that we can set up measures that prevent us from fucking ourselves. For example: the new "no cell phone while driving" law. Historians can't really do much but teach history, which is solid knowledge to have. Philosophers just write books or movie scripts for hipsters. Everyone has their place, even if it is act the local independent bakery.

Yes, science and engineering is more intrinsically valuable. But me mustn't neglect the other sides of society lest we become machines (which I have no problem with)

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:13:16 2011 No.3839502

>>3839465
http://www.aacn.nche.edu/media/FactSheets/NursingShortage.htm
If you go down to "Strategies to Address the Nursing Shortage", it talks about different things being done.

As for the huge influx of nursing students, I'll admit, that's based a bit more on my school's own numbers.

>>	None !!BJiYgff8zf2 Sun Oct 2 16:14:16 2011 No.3839506 >>3839491 But we are machines. Some of us are more efficient than others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:19:16 2011 No.3839521 >>3839269 >>3839223 GE is the government lol How do you think GE got to where it was? Jesus Christ, please, read a book on economics about barriers of entry and how monopolies even form.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:19:16 2011 No.3839523

>>3839491
Well, most of the "artists" you are referring to actually don't get a degree in art directly, they do things like interior design or computer coding, things that have actual applications in the course description.

Social science/anthropologists are only required in very few numbers, they aren't the ones that come up with the laws such as the no phones while driving law.

These degrees have only very specific roles that they fill, specific meaning that you can pretty much only do one with with your degree once you get it, and seeing as how so many people are getting that same degree nowadays (admit it, there has been more kids now than before getting these art/philosophy degrees), that those specific roles that need filling are already filled. Leaving those "starving artist" types complaining because they feel entitled to that job that the other guy took.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:24:16 2011 No.3839537

>>3839502
yeah, but my point is that none of those strategies really qualify as large government subsidizing of a needed degree. it should be on a much larger scale to really start meeting the need. the shortage of job availability in other fields is doing far more to increase nursing numbers than anything else i would bet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:25:16 2011 No.3839540 >>3839537 Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that essentially be socialism? As the market would then be regulated by the government.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 2 16:28:16 2011 No.3839551 File: 66 KB, 586x680, 1312433409701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3839096 >>3839145 Bahahaha yessss.

Anonymous Sun Oct 2 17:06:16 2011 No.3839684

>>3839540
the market is already regulated by the government, just in a retarded way. there is massive subsidizing of college education in this country, but it is done in such a way that it allows schools to simply raise their prices (leading to the education bubble) and doesn't discriminate between desperately needed degrees, like nursing, and not-needed degrees like grievance group studies.

a sensible system wouldn't do either of those, and a true 'republic' would kick those decisions down to state/city level at any rate.

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