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>woman convicted of raping boy
>woman gets pregnant
>years later woman sues for child support and wins.

this is legal, but is it ethical?

>> No.3821612

This is a lie, right?

I understand how it may have happened. The child needs financial support. But rip it from this terrible womans arms and give it to another family.

>> No.3821621

>>3821602

/Sci related?

But yeah, I agree: that is pretty f-ed up. I feel bad for the child TBH.

>> No.3821624

Guys can't be raped, lol.

>> No.3821628

>>3821602
Wait what? That's not something that actually happened, right?

>> No.3821649

bitchesandhores.jpg

>> No.3821670

It would not be ethical, and it would not even be legal. Unless you had a really shitty lawyer.

>> No.3821678

>>3821602
Seriously what exactly is ethics?
Is it morals, a creed, or a code of some sort.
Are ethics elastic, or are they inelastic?

Laws don't necessarily have to be ethical btw.
Genocide isn't ethical, but it has been law.

>> No.3821694

>>3821678
It's the philosophy of what is moral.

>> No.3821709

>>3821602

It is not legal though.

>> No.3821712

FUCK WOMEN

GO GAY

>> No.3821725

>>3821602
>implying rape is legal

>> No.3822048

>>3821709
>Victims have rights. Here, the victim also has responsibilities.

>A 34-year-old woman seduces a 15-year-old boy and becomes pregnant. She gives birth to a daughter and thereafter applies for Aid to Families with Dependent Children. Is the child's father obligated to pay child support even though he is a victim of statutory rape? (Pen. Code, ? 261.5, subd. (d).) We conclude he is liable for child support.

Source:
http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059

There is plenty of other case law which establishes this. These opinions are binding for statutory rape, and would appear to be binding for rape that involves sexual assault.

States have ruled that child support isn't a punishment, so a victim can't get out of child support.

>> No.3822092

>>3822048
Oh, and this is the kind of reasoning you typically find in these opinions:
1) Someone has to pay the mother child support.
2) The father (victim) is the only someone around.
3) Hence, the father ought to pay child support.

(2) is a false premise. Tax payers are someones.

Obviously victims of sex crimes are not considered to be a protected class by state governments. This is the deprivation of property under blatantly unfair conditions. It is mystifying that state supreme courts have not voided the relevant sections of child support law because of 14th Amendment violations and asked the legislature to fix them.

>> No.3822107

To be fair
>Nathaniel J. described the sexual intercourse as "a mutually agreeable act."

And the guy was 15. You gotta know that sex makes babies at that age, in California.

>> No.3822113

>>3822048
>law
>hard science

>> No.3822122

If the guy really didn't want sex he wouldn't have ejaculated and his penis would have been too soft to penetrate the vag.

>> No.3822136

As a rape victim and a minor, I don't think we can hold it against him.

Women decide whether or not to have children. Men don't have any option. 'Child support' is bullshit and our society needs to ditch it.

>> No.3822213

>>3822136

I don't think child support is bullshit, but it is done in a dumb way.

Assuming the woman has free access to abortion services, she should call the court after finding out she is pregnant, get them to track down the guy, inform him that he can either choose parental rights or not. If he does not chose parental rights, he merely owes either abortion fees or just one year of child support. Tough luck if there are too many guys for the woman to track down the father.

>> No.3822227

>>3821624
lets throw you in jail and see if your correct, "lol".

>> No.3822239

>>3822107
But you can't have it both ways.
If the "he knew what he was doing" argument gets him into child support, it should also have gotten HER out of rape charges.
Instead they rule that she forced it on him, and make him have to pay a rape tax.

>> No.3822251

>>3822122

Stimulate something enough, and it responds.

>> No.3822570

>>3821712
I think you mean *don't* fuck women.

>> No.3822573

>>3822048
Yet if they don't pay it... they go to jail

Saying it's not a punishment is like saying rape isn't a crime.

>> No.3822720

>>3822107
kewl, so if a 34 year old man has sex with a 15 year old girl it's ok and she should be treated as an adult

>> No.3822726

>>3822720

Yes. She knew what she was doing.

>> No.3823362

>>3822573
You can go to jail for not paying taxes too, and those aren't a punishment.

So by saying this isn't a punishment, they really are making him pay a rape tax.

>> No.3823371

Don't care about ethics. Women who rape men should be forced to abort, every time, and have their genitalia seared shut.

>> No.3823375

>>3821602

WHAT THE FUCK did you Mother DO to you OP????

Jesus X Christ.. this is like worrying about being gored by a unicorn.

>> No.3823377

>>3823371
> cruel and unusual punishment

>> No.3823378

Why is it that in America regarding rape cases you are guilty until proven otherwise?

>> No.3823381

>>3823378

nope. see: Michael Jackson. and this is STATUTORY rape..

>> No.3823382

>>3822048

You said rape, not legal huur derp rape. There is quite a difference.

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3823397

>woman convicted of raping boy
>raping
>boy
>nope.avi

he did enjoy it enough to ejaculate, dumbass, go back to /soc/ with your moral faggotry

>> No.3823401

>>3823377
My favorite kind! This country has become too humanitarian. We pretty much kiss the asses of criminals. There's a reason plenty of homeless do things just to get arrested.

>> No.3823402

>>3823397
> erections are totally voluntary
I will add your distinctive tale to my collective.

>> No.3823405

>>3823397
>He doesn't know women cum more from being raped than from having consensual sex

>> No.3823422

>>3823405

and you know this, how?

>> No.3823425

>>3823402
apperantly, someone here did not experience a rape attempt by a landwhale, shit is totally limp.

also you missed the point by 18 miles dumbass, they had sex because both of them wanted to, if he'd resist it wouldn't happen.

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>>3821624
>>3823397
>>3823425

feminazis detected

>> No.3826033

>implying women don't have orgasms when they get raped

>> No.3826051

>>3823425

Suppose she tourniqueted his dick?

>> No.3826064

>>3823397
It's statutory rape.

She had sex with someone who is underage. Which is considered statutory rape.

It doesn't matter if he liked it or didn't like it. That isn't even a consideration. She had sex with an underage boy, it is therefore statutory rape.

>> No.3826097 [DELETED] 

>>3822048

>>statutory rape

So basically there was no rape at all. The psycho-social aspects of this are identical to an adult man getting a woman pregnant and then refusing to pay for the child.

All you misogynists can take it easy now.

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>>3823425
>>3823397

The butthurt is palpable.

Child support is legalized extortion. If some stupid bitch cant afford children then she should NOT HAVE CHILDREN.

OMG dont even get me started on the injustices of this female skewed society.

>> No.3826292

>>3823397
just because he enjoyed it does not mean he was of legal age. this means, under the law, that he might not fully understand the consequences of his actions. at 15, you might have gone along with it too. at 18-19, you should know better, and if she gets pregnant, you should have thought about that. I'd say that at 15 he likely hadn't appreciated the consequences of his actions, making it... STATUTORY RAPE. Especially if she turns around in 3 years and demands child support. That shit's just fucked up. I'd probably move to a different state and stop paying... or keep appealing that shit until a competent judge is found.