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>6th august, 2014
> US space agency NASA have announced that a large object capable of extinguishing life has been found in the Oort cloud, a large region of space at the edge of the solar system containing debris.

>At a press conference monday evening, NASA deputy administrator Lori Garver told reporters that previous suspicion over the course of object 99942-Apophis' alteration, as feared by the organisation. In the statement she announced a 92.7% chance of impact in the year 2040,
>"My message to the people of the United States and the World is this: don't panic, stay strong, and stay hopeful". She went on to say that their measurements had been confirmed by ESA, CSNA, and JAXA.


We have 35 years. What do we do?

>> No.3813894
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>>3813889
>its a conspiracy.

>> No.3813895

Who cares? 35 years is plenty of time left, I'd be happy only living to 55

you might not even live long enough to see your parents or friends die

>> No.3813904

>>3813895
assumption: You actually care and want the humans to surive.

>> No.3813906

I'd rather think that NASA is doing this to get funds, considering their history of antics:

1) Support the AGW then secretly sabotage when funding is cut

2) Declare that they have found an alien species, when its quite an earthly one and even then do bad research.

Its possible that in the future they will come up such gimmick.

>> No.3813918

>>3813906
Hint, his news report comes from 2014 ... THE FUCKING FUTURE

>> No.3813920

3 way plan.

One team tries to find a way to deviate the asteroid.

Other team begins the construction of a shelter in the case the deviation team fails.

Other team creates a second shelter on the moon in the case the impact destroys the shelter on earth.

>> No.3813921

>>3813918
>Its possible that in the future they will come up such gimmick.

Reading fail?

>> No.3813939

>>3813921
>their measurements had been confirmed by ESA, CSNA, and JAXA.

>> No.3813943

For the satellite falling into our atmosphere, they gave us a time window that was more than a day long and a range that covers most of the earth for where it will hit.

For an object ALREADY IN ORBIT they can't give us an area much smaller than the size of the earth where it will hit. I sincerely doubt that they would be able to tell us anything meaningful about something in the fucking Oort cloud.

>> No.3813948

Analysis of the object.

Selection of the best strategy to divert its course or destroy it.

World economy devoted to this task.

???????????????

PROFIT

>> No.3813949

>>3813889
35 years should be more than enough time to alter its course.

>> No.3813950

>>3813943
It's the future, bitch.

>>3813948
Jolly good

>> No.3813956

>>3813949
>Initial reports from JAXA indicate the object is around 3500km across- one of the largest known.

>> No.3813967

>>3813943
The trajectory of the satellite would have been substantially more effected by the atmosphere than that of a large asteroid would be.

>> No.3813968

Throw fucking atomic bombs to explode on the same side of the "large object", in order to make it change its trajectory and/or its speed very slightly, but enough for years of further movement to make sure it won't collide with Earth.

Taking into consideration the fact that planets are extremely small compared to the distance they travel around stars, the chance that a massive object enters our system, and that its trajectory intersects the orbit of Earth is astronomically (that's the word) small. And the probability that the Earth is at the bad position of its orbit at the bad time is roughly 1/80000 (taking the Earth's radius as 12Mm and the Earth-Sun distance as 150Gm).

>> No.3813973
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3813973

All we have to do is take our stashes of the worlds heaviest elements and put them all in one place. All of that weight will cause the earth to shift, altering its course to avoid the objects collision.

>> No.3813974

They are going to use this opportunity to put weapons in space, it's a win for whoever wants them in space.

>> No.3813976

Is there some way we can catch this object in our orbit and gain another moon? That would be pretty cool wouldn't it.

>> No.3813979

Build giant fucking engines in Australia. Fire 'em up. Move Earth a little further in its orbit. Avoid collision. Enjoy early summer.

>> No.3813983

>>3813979
>Enjoy early summer.
Summer? How about moving the earth slightly in the other direction, to lower earths temperature to compensate for global warming. :D

>> No.3813987

>>3813983

That would surely fuck with some animals migratory patterns.

>> No.3813989

>>3813976

The tidal forces would fuck up shit big time.

Really bad idea all around.

>> No.3813992

>>3813943

If you were NASA and knew exactly where the satellite would touch down, would you tell the world? It'd just be asking for crowds waiting to see it, risking lives and liability.

No way would NASA want to take the financial risk of lawsuits over wrongful death.

>> No.3813994

>>3813979
>Move earth
>Not just move asteroid

If the colliding object had lower mass, it would be much easier to move.

>> No.3814001

>>3813992
I really doubt that NASA would be worried about their own liability when ALL LIFE IS GOING TO BE EXTINGUISHED!

>>3813994
I assume that landing on an asteroid traveling at speeds enough to kill the world will be difficult to land on, especially with enough materials and fuel to nudge it with engines.

If we could land on it, busting it like that one movie would probably be the best idea.

>> No.3814003

>>3813976
.16% chance of object entering stable orbit. .94% chance of it entering Pontentially Hazardous orbit with semi-catastrophic geothermal effects.

>> No.3814014

>>3814001
I wasn't talking about some future hypothetical event with the liability.

I was telling the other guy that they in all likelihood knew exactly where it would touch down, but failed to report on it due to liability concerns. The satellite was going to fall nowhere near anything serious, and therefore it wasn't beneficial in the least to release any information on it.

If they did, people would have been hurt and sued for millions. It's all very simple.

But yes, in your hypothetical situation, they would tell people. It's completely different.

Also, I wasn't implying that they should land on the asteroid to nudge it. They could just bombard it with objects. Think billiards.

>> No.3814016 [DELETED] 

As of October 7, 2009, the probability of an April 13, 2036 impact is considered to be 1 in 250,000

Successful troll is successful. Good luck trolling pseudo/sci/ence, OP!

>> No.3814017

25 years is more than enough to build defences, and dozen backups, if main means of defence fail for some reason (religious fundamentalists sabotaging the mission etc.).

In that time, we could probably build enough nuclear pulse propelled spaceships with enough payload to change the course of a fucking dwarf planet sized object. At least if those ships are built on the surface instead of space (nuclear pulse propelled craft could be made a size of a huge skyscraper and still be launched from earth's surface).

>> No.3814025

>>3814001
It's 3500KM across, 1.77*10^20 metric tonnes.

>> No.3814029

Railgun. Perform an orbital bombardment from orbit on said object.

>> No.3814030

35 years?

Put a thousand gallons of white paint on a rocket. Fire it at the asteroid on a course that will impact it in about 10 years.
Now-white asteroid gets blown off course by photons over the next 25 years, we enjoy margaritas.

>> No.3814031

>>3814025
It will also be moving at a speed of 2KM/S relative to Earth when it enters GEO. Time of impact isn't known, but it's estimated to be between march 4 and march 8, in the northern hemisphere.

>> No.3814037

>>3814025
So we're not going to be busting it.

If engines on Earth doesn't work, we could try putting engines on the Moon and moving it into an intercept course. Best case scenario will be that the asteroid is deflected and the moon doesn't break into pieces.

Worst case scenario is the asteroid grabs the moon for a ride and they both impact Earth. :(

>> No.3814040

>>3814025

>It's 3500KM across

That is the size of the FUCKING moon.

They would call this thing a planetoid.

See the novel "When Worlds Collide" if you want a sci-fi look at it. (It will have a movie in 2012 produced by Stephen Spielberg)

>> No.3814043 [DELETED] 

this is a fake story, the OP is speaking hypothetically.

>> No.3814046

>>3814016
>Implying I was being serious

I said Apophis was in the Oort cloud, FFS.

>>3814037
I think this can be approached in a more calculative manner.

The moon has a mass of 7.3459×10^19 t

Earth has a mass of 5.9721986×10^21 t

The object is solid iron.

>> No.3814049

>>3814043
I would have thought that obvious from the lack of link, inaccuracy in 99942-apophis' location, and freaking 2014 date.

>> No.3814051

nuclear bombs. it's the end to all problems.

over 35 years we just need to alter the course of the asteroid for a fraction of a percent and it will miss with plenty of room.

landing some bombs on the asteroid and letting them explode could cause that. naturally, not all at once, but many bombs over a long time.

>> No.3814056

>>3813906
I wouldn't mind, honestly.
The only problem is that their current structure is absolute shit, and giving them money at the moment is kind of bad investment in the long run

They need an overhaul down at cape 'can

>> No.3814063

>>3814051
>on the surface
Why?
There isn't much of a shockwave in space

What you might be thinking of is a stand-off blast, which occurs some number of miles from the asteroid's surface. The objective is to vaporize some small volume of the object's surface from the hard gamma and x-ray burst of the bomb. The vaporized material acts as a small jet, giving the object a small push in some specific vector opposite the bomb's location

>> No.3814084

If it were up to me I would use man power. Robots are not capable of handling these intricate tasks.

Normally you would choose regular astronauts , but due to the very specialized nature if the job , I would select men that have drilling experience. In addition, I would also send the most brilliant physicist we have, even if his character were questionable.

Ideally there would be 2 teams, with their own ships, for redundancy. One would be built by the US, the other by Russia I guess.

The plan would be to drill a deep hole into the asteroid and plant a nuclear weapon. Set the timer so our teams would have enough time to come back safely.

That's how I think it should be handled. 2035 gives us enough time.

>> No.3814128

>>3814084
And if the team does it, they nevar have to pay taxes again!!1

>> No.3814155

What is this shit Im reading?

>> No.3814159

Um, what?
>6th august, 2014
Is this supposed to be from the future?

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>>3814159
>>3814155

Fucking hypothetical thought experiments, how do they work??

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>2014
>2040
>35 years

>> No.3814193

Launch a craft full of self-replicating nanobots at it 5 years before it will hit. Exponential growth.

It arrives here with its own braking system and is a space station or mass driver or space elevator cable.

Turn that lemon into lemonade. I win.

>> No.3814198 [DELETED] 

>>3814168
Aug to jan is less than 6 months. They could be rounding down

>> No.3814203

I read this like it was real. Now I am slightly disappointed.

>> No.3814204

http://www.wbur.org/npr/140337461/move-an-asteroid-competition-may-help-protect-planet

>> No.3814210

>>3814198
this be the case.

>> No.3814240

>>381421
Look again. I was off by 10 years

>> No.3814261

send ben affleck to destroy it

>> No.3814288

How many ICBMs would we need to divert it?

>> No.3814326

>>3814193
Hell yeah niggah

>> No.3814349

35 years?
Well then, we better start developing Ion Cannons. Put them into orbit. Wait for the asteroid to be in a clear hit zone. Blast it. Enjoy fireworks.

>> No.3814365

OP can i get the sauce on dat info

>> No.3814419

>planning on destroying/diverting the asteroid
not gonna fucking happen guys. Wouldn't it be much easier to knock earth a bit out of it's orbit to avoid being hit? we have millions of miles of squeezing room in the Habitable zone, and frankly i'm quite chilly, so closer to the sun would be good, but it's up to debate. We'll do it by erupting every volcano on one side of earth or burying nukes and making 30 richter earthquakes in africa or some shit, lets be honest who actually cares about africa?

>> No.3814476

>>3814419
Do we really have that much room? Think about animal habitats, tide, whatever...

>> No.3814502

>>3813948

'Accidently' do research to colonize space and travel near light speed.

>> No.3814504

>>3814419

If we alter it's trajectory when it is 15 years from hitting us, it won't.

>> No.3814508

I always get kind of sick to my stomach hearing these kind of news.

I don't know what to think.

>> No.3814532

>>3814365

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment

>> No.3814546

>found in the Oort cloud
>found at the end of a rainbow
>found in Middle Earth
>found up a unicorn's ass

all fictional

>> No.3814547

At a press conference monday evening, NASA deputy administrator Lori Garver told reporters that previous suspicion over the course of object 99942-Apophis' alteration, as feared by the organisation.

Nice sentence fragment, faggot.

>> No.3814553

>>3814546
>end of a rainbow
>ficitional
Actually...

>> No.3814560

>>3814553
they're round

deal with it

>> No.3814576

>>3814546

>found in Middle Earth
>fictional

Mediterranean is real.

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>Its diameter is approximately 270 meters (885 ft).
Is this one of those theoretical threads? Or is there something I'm missing?

>> No.3814596

Maximum samefag