/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3807714]

Do you know if there is any kind of application or algorithm that automatically generate a sort of concept map? (i.e. using a dictionary or wiki)

for example my input is "apple" and then the program outputs "fruit", "computers", "mac",
then "tree", "reproduction" "seeds" "steve jobs", "ipod",
then "businessman", "mp3", "music", "plants", "sex", "job" "operating system" etc etc..

..eventually showing also the kind of connection i.e. [apple] *is a* [fruit]" *product of* [trees] etc etc..

I think you got it.

A developed version of such an application would be great in helping people to have new idea, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.3807721]

it actually sounds like it would mimic neuron behavior

[Anonymous No.3807725]

>>3807721
>>3807714
samefag

[Anonymous No.3807742]

>>3807721
No, that's not right. Whenever I think of "apple" I think of "clitoris".

[Anonymous No.3807751]

>>3807714
thank u iv been thinking the same thing
it wold act as a think thank in a way
does anyone know of such and application

[Anonymous No.3807754]

>>3807714

I want you to think very hard about what sort of data structure you need for this procedure. And if you don't know what I mean... I want you to shut up.

[Anonymous No.3807757]

>>3807751
think tank
my bad
>>3807754
??? really i want u to think vary hard about what u just said

[Anonymous No.3807763]

>>3807757
The program OP is acting for is basically a brain

Good luck with that OP

[Anonymous No.3807769]

>>3807714
> too lazy to think for himself

[Anonymous No.3807783]

>>3807763

I think a brain can do *a little* more than it.

[Anonymous No.3807790]

>>3807783
Workload is not the problem, or the point.

[Anonymous No.3807792]

>>3807769

I think too much and sometimes it make me a little tired and I think I could miss something. A program like that could be the Robin of my Batman brain.

[Anonymous No.3807800]

>>3807763 im not op and if i wasnt dyslexic i would give u a long winded explanation y this wouldnt be as complex a task as your thinking
>>3807769 and im not saying this would be used to do the thinking for u it would merely be a tool used to substitute the collaboration processe of multiple people

[Anonymous No.3807801]

Op here, maybe the program could use the Internet to do such a thing.

i.e. it search "apple" on Google and Bing and elaborates the data received producing new keywords and repeat.

Could it work this way?

[Anonymous No.3807804]

>>3807769
why don' ya git to work plowin' rocks instead of starin' at them yhar fancy pance "lettures" on that godfoesaken "cowputer minotaor"

[Anonymous No.3807812]

Well there would be something like 10^50 combinations and only a small amount will actually be useful and there would need to be some method of narrowing things down, it also depends on the person who is reading the random concepts, an expert in the telecommunications industry will make more use of IT related text than fruit related text.

I think google develops things like this to tailor searches, if a user spends a lot of time searching for scat porn it's search results will lean towards that direction, they also try to find out how search terms commonly link.

[Anonymous No.3807817]

try using a thesaurus until such a programs appears

[Anonymous No.3807836]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_%28information_science%29#Ontology_languages

[Anonymous No.3807840]

>>3807812
yea but like in the future it would be all kick ass and shit because u could have like an entire wall be the screen and it wold be like a big idea web with your starting point in the middle and all the related topics branching out from it and then u could like manipulate the image and like zoom in on sections
would that be kick ass??

[Anonymous No.3807845]

>>3807840
like in minority report
remember REMEMBER?!?!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.3807849]

>>3807836
Heh, I just started a job doing ontologies and semantics for a living.

Doing RDF/Microformat translation right now, optimising our inference engine after that.

I'd studied this in my postgrad but had no clue that jobs were out there in it until I stumbled on to this one.

Obviously this is a troll thread but yeah, this sort of thing exists. Take your pick between markov chains or inference engines, depending on whether your source data is semantically rich (or can be made to be so) or not.

[Anonymous No.3807860]

>>3807849
how is this a troll thread?

[Anonymous No.3807862]

>>3807840

No, Kick-Ass is another movie, it was Minority Report.

[Anonymous No.3807864]

>>3807812
Google is a mix of statistical relation (Markov and Bayesian stuff), hand-tailored scraping for high-traffic sites (so they can get individual movies of imdb, for example) and increasingly, massive use of microformats (so that summary sections can use the labels that websites provide).

There also seems to be some best-guess stuff at determining useful links to stick in a website's summary but it doesn't work 100% which is why half the time a website shows up with its contact pages appearing three times in its summary under separate titles. That's probably based on links from the root page with maybe an idea about picking common words out of any frames that look like they might be menus.

[Anonymous No.3807865]

>>3807860
If I took the time to explain it, I'd be being trolled.

[Anonymous No.3807871]

Actually, I ran across a website awhile back that does this very thing.

Visually it resembles a tag cloud, and when you hover over a word it generates lines connecting to other tags.

I need to go find it.

BRB

[Anonymous No.3807875]

>>3807864
Oh, and that's just how they index stuff. How they rank stuff is a whole other thing which they tweak constantly to keep the SEO, domain parking/squatting and spammer crowds guessing.

[Anonymous No.3807881]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_system

not the exact answer
but close to what you are looking for???

[Anonymous No.3807907]

>>3807875
The technical term is tag portlets, IBM offers an app can't recall the name.

It may or may not be applicable to what you are looking for

[Anonymous No.3807917]

>>3807881
a little, I was thinking about something more generic that elaborates keywords/tags that stimulate your mind, like a individual brainstorming.

Maybe an efficient way to extrapolate tags from Google and Wikipedia results could be nice as a beginning.

[Anonymous No.3807923]

take a look at this page
http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-brainstorming

[Anonymous No.3807932]

>>3807923

that's interesting, thanks

[Anonymous No.3807942]

Sounds like something you could do with Prolog.

[Anonymous No.3807953]

>>3807917
>stimulate your mind

shit, I just open Google, click on I'm Feeling Lucky and follow wherever it goes

never fails to stimulate *my* mind

[Anonymous No.3807983]

>>3807942
I'll take a look, it seems mindblowing as a language.
>>3807953
I don't trust so much that function.

[Anonymous No.3808338]

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[Anonymous No.3808439]

>>3807836
Do you really expect these junior high school know nothings to look at the correct answer to the question being asked

[Anonymous No.3808572]

>>3808439

[Anonymous No.3808696]

>>3808572

Based on the threads I see in /sci/ I really have to conclude this is the case.

How many times can the same mathematical discussions, atheist / religion conversations repeating the same talking points, the continuous discussion of IQ tests being meaningful when created by the pseudoscience psychology and the almost complete closed mindedness of most of the posters all point to people who lack the mental capacity to engage in critical thinking and reasoning. Hence, junior high school.

Based on the few weeks I have been looking here I am less then impressed at the mental capacity of people who post here. It has been less then interesting and I have decided it is a waste of my time and actually damaging to my intellect to continue reading /sci/.

[Anonymous No.3808726]

>>3808696
basically the majority of /sci/ resembles a group of small kids who go around shouting out various crap they heard and twisting it into their own demented and WRONG interpretations

like in some of the South Park episodes

[Anonymous No.3808730]

Almost surely != guaranteed

[Anonymous No.3809874]

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