/sci/ - Science & Math

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3804949]

Dearest /sci/,

Transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.3804958]

Yes please.

Would you vote for a technocratic party?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3804967]

>>3804958

Maybe. I need to know the specifics. I can't just vote on the basis of a label.

[Anonymous No.3804995]

>>3804967
Too tired to go into detail, basically divert money from military and go purely defensive ("nuke up, just in case") and pump as much money as possible into scientific advancements/scholarships for related fields etc.

Did some calculations a while back and all in all you could liquidate roughly 40 Billion/yr without raising taxes for this goal (in my country)

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805012]

>>3804995

Sounds good. I'm not sure going fully defensive goes well with the interests of the less-than-honourable parts of the powers that be, so you gotta fix that part.

[Anonymous No.3805030]

>>3805012
I'm not american, so going fully defensive would most definately please the majority of the people here.

Anywho, I'd love to further discuss this but I'm really tired.

Sorry, but I'll have to cut this off on my part, I hope you find some others :)

[Anonymous No.3805049]

I am afraid REAL AI will go renegade.

[Anonymous No.3805053]

>>3804958

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805055]

>>3805049

>implying transhumanism requires AI

Hey, guys, remember those 'people' things?

Yeah maybe we can do something for them instead of trying to create an AI again.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3805077]

Hey Broes

[Anonymous No.3805087]

A technocracy is a system of government in which major decisions are categorized and voted on by experts in their respective fields. "Technocracy" is simply an older word for the system of government known as a meritocracy.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805110]

Now I'm going to post David Zindell quotes related to transhumanism!


>'You shouldn't judge him, Little Fellow. Even when he was a man, he wasn't like other men.'
>'Truly?'
>'No, he was fated to become a god. I see that now,' Bardo reached down to grab the empty pitcher of beer from the window sill. He was smiling to himself now, and his moist brown eyes seemed full of memories and dreams.
>'Can you imagine what it's like to become a god?'

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805111]

Just decided to drop in

[Anonymous No.3805121]

>>3805111
I'm waiting for this Tasmania or Northern Canada shit to happen.

[Anonymous No.3805124]

I'm writing a book about it.

It's quite good.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805127]

'Then you have no interest in the new religions?'
'No, none.'
Danlo looked down at the ice around the bench. In its milky smoothness, he caught sight of Hanuman's reflection. Something about this ghostlike image, so delicate and pale, hinted at a secret passion. It was as if the ice, in distorting the clean lines of Hanuman's face, were acting as a lens to a deeper, truer self. There was an intensity and devoutness in his friend's pale blue eyes; for the first time, he could see that Hanuman burned with an intense religiousness. Never mind the boy's scorn of the Cybernetic Universal Church, the hatred and ridicule of his parents' faith which had informed his childhood; never mind that he had often referred to Edeism as the 'slave religion'. The real problem, Danlo thought, was that Edeism and other religions, for one such as Hanuman, were not really religious enough.
'It is known that the cetics, some of them, practise almost continual interface with their computers,' Danlo said. He looked up from the ice at Hanuman, and continued speaking in a clear, pained voice. 'In violation of the canons ... and the law of Civilization. You have heard this, yes?'
'If one believes the rumours, there's a grade of cyber-shamans called neurosingers who misuse their computers – I think this is true.'
'And they seek interface ... with the godspace, yes?'
'Perhaps they do, Danlo. Who knows what the neurosingers seek?'
'But what do you seek?'

cont.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805129]

>>3805127

'I don't really know.' Danlo, glimpsing the light that came into Hanuman's eyes as he said this, thought that he knew precisely what he sought. 'Have you decided to become a cetic, then?'
'Possibly,' Hanuman said.
'But we were to be pilots together!'
'You'll be the pilot – it's what you were born for.'
'But to journey to the stars –'
'I'm sorry, but these last days I've lost any desire to see the stars.'
'But a cetic? No, that would be so wrong ... for you.'
'How do you know what's wrong?'
'I can see it. Anybody could.'
'You can see it,' Hanuman said, and he rammed a diamond file back and forth across his skate blade. 'You're a scryer, then, and you can see it.'

Hanuman was such a bro.

Pic related it's the book I'm getting this shit from.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3805135]

I had a professor write the term "Technocratic Automatiaty" (The second word is beyond me)

Prompted me to make this little drawing.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805140]

>>3805121
Now looking intensely at Western Antarctica since Mad Scientist introduced me to the concept of huge geodesic domes.

Heated by LFTRs, 1.2 km high, 6 km wide. A new world.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805146]

>>3805129

Better cover.


>It was a hard place, certainly, full of capriciously exploding supernovae, terrible gods and new ecologies of life. A universe out of balance. The world 459 around him was steeped in vice, injustice, lies, slelled diseases, all the manifestations of human evil. All the worlds around the stars were tainted with shaida, perhaps flawed to their fiery, molten cores. Possibly there was no help for the universe's evil; possibly he (along with all of humanity) might find a way to restore the primeval balance of life and bring all things into that state of correctness and natural order that he called halla. But not even a halla universe, he knew, could ever be peaceful. Like a winter storm, the universe would always roar with violence, chaos and change. It was this essential chaos of his times that he had come to relish. It never occurred to him – as it did to Hanuman li Tosh – that the universe might be transformed in fundamental and horrible new ways.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805151]

>>3805140

And the dome is made of diamondoids printed on-site by Machine-Phase Systems International.

If anyone steals that name I swear to God...

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805157]

>All journeymen pilots must suffer through this love-addiction with their computers. Danlo quickly became an aficionado and adept of that marvellous state known as samadhi vastening. Unlike the first and lowest samadhi state – that of savikalpa samadhi – in the vastening through the computer, there is no awareness of one's mind as distinct from the computer's lightning number flows. The sense of oneself dissolves, as of electrons rushing and spreading out through the microscopic filaments of a computer's neurologics. There is an experience of oneness, a unity with the cybernetic space of the manifold. Time nearly stops. In entering the onstreaming realm of pure mathematics, a pilot has a giddy and joyous sense of thinking faster, making connections, of being a vaster mind. This intense depersonalization and vastening of the self is a marvel to some, a nightmare to a few, and a peril to all who face their computers deeply. Many are the pilots who have been lost into the number storm's cold and terrible beauty. Pilots die in a thousand ways, and the foremost of these deaths is into their computers. Although Danlo did not design the computer that was the brain and soul of his lightship, he soon learned to meld his mind with it totally and comfortably – but never too comfortably.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805173]

>'But you speak of my father ... and there is worship in each of your words. He was just a man. Now he is a god, it is said. We may become gods, truly, but for a man or woman to worship anything, that is the greatest sin.'
>'Is it a sin to follow the way that the Ringess showed humanity?'
>'But there are many ways,' Danlo said. 'As many ways as there are human beings.' >'We only know one way of becoming gods, Young Pilot.'
>'But would you rather become a god ... or God?'

[Anonymous No.3805174]

thread like these, people like Mad scientist, colonel coffee, inurades

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805181]

>>3805174
Obligatory

[Anonymous No.3805184]

>>3805174
I know that feel.
broswithtripfags4lyfe.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805231]

>The tabletop was now a smooth plane glittering with bits of light. There were millions of these light bits, which winked on and off in a blizzard of colours: crimson, sapphire, violet and green. And magenta, rose, flame red, indigo and aquamarine and a hundred other colours. Each light bit represented a certain configuration of information stored inside the universal computer. The light bits – or rather the information they represented – were like artificial atoms, each of which was programmed with unique properties. These fundamental information structures existed in the cybernetic space that the cetics call the alam al-mithral. This is the space in which images are real, the space halfway between the real world and the Platonic world of ideals. On Old Earth, a thousand years before the first computers, Avicenna the Wise had posited a realm of existence midway between matter and spirit. For millennia, the cetics had applied all their ingenuity to creating such a realm; it was the claim of the cyber-shamans that they had succeeded. Many cyber-shamans possessed black spheres like Hanuman's. Many cyber-shamans had created and programmed their own unique information atoms in order to evolve life made of pure information.

cont

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805240]

>>3805231

>'This is the tenth universe I've designed,' Hanuman said. 'It's the best, most fascinating thing I've ever done, this creating of universes.' In fact, he had not created his universe as a finished piece, as one might sculpt a block of diamond or weave a tapestry. Rather, he had created information atoms and rules by which these atoms interacted with their environment, and with each other. This was all that he had done. Other professionals, of course, experimented with artificial life in different ways. Some ecologists liked to shape their universes as they evolved, continually adding new programs and editing out various kinds of informational life. But the cyber-shamans disdained this personal interference as inelegant and lacking in profundity. In this tenth universe of Hanuman's, he had created exactly one hundred and eighty-seven information configurations and had programmed twenty-three laws specifying the ways they might combine with each other. He had done this five hours previously. And then he had let the universal computer run. As he held the black sphere up to his forehead in contemplation of what was occurring inside, it was running still. 'But why this game?' Danlo asked.
>'Why play games ... now?'
>'Do you think this is a game?'
>'You are making models of the universe, yes? Models of different universes ... that might reveal the possibilities of our own.'

cont.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805247]

>>3805240

>'I already know about this universe, Danlo.'
>'But evolution– '
>'The only evolution that matters any more,' Hanuman said, 'is that which we might control.'
>'Such as the evolution of the dolls?'
>'Of course,' Hanuman said. 'Shall I arrange a display of their evolution?'
>'If you would like.' Danlo clasped his hands behind his back as he stared down at the tabletop. Now the cloud of coloured lights was not quite so chaotic. In various places beneath the glass, with a quickness almost impossible to apprehend, points of vermilion light swirled around green light bits, and tiny aquamarine light bursts interpenetrated those of crimson. In this way, the one hundred and eighty-seven colours of light combined to form thousands of different kinds of information molecules, and then, thousands of thousands. The glass sparkled with brilliant new patterns of information almost geometric in their perfection. The patterns vibrated and organized themselves and rotated against each other as they combined to make ever more complex patterns; or they absorbed each other and grew, or sometimes, they annihilated each other in showers of gold and purple light. And then other information molecules would feed on this light, and all this feeding and growing and making of new patterns happened so quickly that Danlo dared not blink his eyes, lest he lose sight of the overarching pattern that was beginning to emerge.

[Anonymous No.3805260]

What do you guys think about Deus Ex: Human Revolution?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805277]

>>3805260
If it was set in 2037 I would say it's far more realistic.

[Anonymous No.3805291]

I never asked for this.

[Anonymous No.3805303]

>>3805291

That's like "never asking for divorce" after you married the chick with alimony and child support coming in from 3 ex husbands.

[Anonymous No.3805304]

>>3805291
I did.

[Anonymous No.3805311]

>transhumanism
>4chanpandemonium.jpg

I would like to live in the internet, though.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805313]

>>3805291

[Anonymous No.3805317]

>>3805277
So, how is the current state of prosthetic body parts?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805322]

>>3805313

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805325]

>>3805317

http://youtubedoubler.com/1KHx

[Anonymous No.3805336]

There's a pic of EK on Motoko kusanagi's body, can someone post it?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805337]

>>3805336

Please don't.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805342]

>>3805337
CCM, have you seen this yet?
http://archive.installgentoo.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/reports/post-count

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805344]

>>3805342

Yes, sadly.

[Anonymous No.3805349]

>>3805325

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805392]

Bumping with mol nano images.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805398]

>>3805392
I've got .gifs, probably from you

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805407]

>>3805398

I was trying to post that and it told me "duplicate file entry." :)

This is one structure I can't force myself to believe in.

I mean, look at all that bond strain, and the fact that single atoms are acting as the gear's teeth. Yeah, right.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805420]

>>3805407

NASA's Diamond-based data storage.

Hydrogens are zero, Fluorines are one.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3805421]

>>3805407

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805429]

>>3805420

Closeup of the tip.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805438]

>>3805429

Now animooted!

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805444]

>>3805438

Nanotube Bearing

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805450]

>>3805444

This is just silly now.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3805492]

>>3805342

Whoa! Ive never seen that.

Extremely intradasting.

Looks like I have some work to do if I want to reach #1

[Anonymous No.3805497]

why change yourself? you are who The Lord intended you to be.

[Anonymous No.3805505]

>>3805497
>who

whom

[Anonymous No.3805523]

>>3805420
>>3805429
Is this real?

[Anonymous No.3805531]

Fuck you, fuck transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.3805557]

>>3805523
Data Storage on Diamond

[Bauschlicher 97a] computationally studied storing data in a pattern of fluorine and hydrogen atoms on the (111) diamond surface (see figure). If write-once data could be stored this way, 1015 bytes/cm2 is theoretically possible. By comparison, the new DVD write-once disks now coming on the market hold about 108 bytes/cm2. [Bauschlicher 97a] compared the interaction of different probe molecules with a one dimensional model of the diamond surface. This study found some molecules whose interaction energies with H and F are sufficiently different that the force differential should be detectable by an SPM. These studies were extended to include a two dimensional model of the diamond surface and two other systems besides F/H [Bauschlicher 97b]. Other surfaces, such as Si, and other probes, such as those including transition metal atoms, have also been investigated [Bauschlicher 97c].

[Anonymous No.3805571]

>>3805557
Amazing. Seeing things like these makes it a good time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.3805586]

You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands.

[Anonymous No.3805591]

I want a penis augmentation.

[Anonymous No.3805592]

My friend was telling me about you (CCM).

You are just as autistic as he described.

[Anonymous No.3805594]

>>3804949
Dearest Transhumanist,

Get a job.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805667]

>>3805557
>>3805523
>>3805571

It's computational chemistry, not implemented yet.

See http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/ for implementation details.

>>3805592

I can't imagine a context in which you would discuss me.

>>3805594

Will you ever actually make a point besides posting the same pictures all over the place?

[Anonymous No.3805681]

>>3805317
Following this. What's the current state of quantum computers?

[Anonymous No.3805705]

>>3805667
That would require me to assume that you would be able to understand a point.

Once I observe you appearing rationally, then I shall have a point.

>the point?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805709]

>>3805705

Take a chance and assume I understand a point.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805726]

Too bad there isn't anyone on /sci/ with which I can discuss implementation pathways towards molecular manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.3805746]

Oh, the first semi-decent thread in ages and somebody had to come and shit it up. Anyways, keep fighting the good fight CCM.

[Anonymous No.3805749]

>>3805726
What's to discuss? I'll hear you out

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805793]

>>3805749

Well, this guy, Philip Moriarty is an experimental physicist working at Nottingham. In the 2006 Nanoscience debate he got all pissed at the Drexler cheerleading crowd (See here, I guess: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-nanotech-schism)) and told them their ideas of nanomachines based on diamond had not been proven because nobody had as much as removed a Hydrogen atom from a Diamond surface.

So what does he do? He makes an experiment proposal. And he gets the funding. In 2008 he got a 5 years grant to perform mechanosynthesis experiments ( http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Media/PressReleaseAug08.htm ; http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/ViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/G007837/1)) and has been doing both diamond and silicon mechanosynthesis experiments.

For some diamond mechansynthesis stuff (DMS): http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/

A nice video by him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPE07QIFBM

I generally agree with the objections that some of the systems proposed are infeasible (See pic for an example of a 'bearing' which was used as an example of an ideal nanosystem which I think is infeasible) but I also think nanotechnology doesn't have to be explicitly based on biological systems. Just because biology got it right in a water solution doesn't mean that if you change the conditions, the design for nanosystems doesn't change.

The structure is a planetary gear with the case removed, by the way.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3805809]

>>3805793

I worry about how we'll get there. Atomic force microscopy? Shrinking MEMS into NEMS? The computer industry?

Oh and there's also a very good lecture on DMS by Ralph Merkle and Robert Freitas here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=362294862840163667

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3806396]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.3806528]

What will be the first breakthrough according to you all?
-curing aging
-singularity
-nanotech

or will it all suddenly happen at once by some random or accidental event?
But HOW?
Is it due to a global effort of scientists that is experimenting everyday in all first world countries? Will this tech be available to all or just the scientists and the rich?
What can a middle class person do to help the cause?

[Anonymous No.3806544]

>>3806528
I would also like to know this. Personally i'm not as optimistic about these breakthroughs happening in our lifetime as I once was.

[Anonymous No.3806581]

CCM what do you think are the major hurdles to Deus Ex type nano machine augs. what do you think is the est time frame?

[Anonymous No.3806631]

>>3806528
The first breakthroughs happened decades ago. We already have crude cybernetics.

[Anonymous No.3806642]

if im not at least 40% robot by the time im 60 im driving my car off a bridge

[Anonymous No.3806670]

>>3806528
Cybernetics will probably blur the lines between those. If Moore's Law stays consistent (and since the industry actually uses it as a guideline to drive development, that's pretty likely), computers will be absolute powerhouses by the average /sci/ user's 70th birthday. Software will become more sophisticated, we'll probably begin merging with them in rudimentary ways (implants giving us perfect memory, for example) rather quickly, which along with enhanced computer simulations and whatnot snowballs how quickly science can advance.

[Anonymous No.3806720]

>People actually wanting transhumanism

This will be the death of complexity in humanity as we know it. If we actually reach the state of the singularity we will no longer be humans but mindless drones, even to the point where the higher ups can completely control us.

I believe machines should be used externally as tools of our will, but to become one with the machine will be the very death of humanity itself.

I know you guys are too caught up in the moment, but you must think of the implications of such easily controlled machinery.

[Anonymous No.3806750]

>>3806720

I've got shocking news for you.

Humans are just a biological machine.

Once the human body is completely understood, it will be just as manipulable has the drones you speak of.

Either way allows for that scenario to play out, so find a better argument.

[Anonymous No.3806756]

>>3806720
Bullshit, transhumanism is the expression of complexity. If anything, humans are clones now, tied to our rather unvaried genome and genetically trained to listen to our superiors. When the individual gains the ability to choose the fate of even their own body and mind we will be free.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3807678]

>>3806631

This is true. In a way we already have molecular nanotechnology (http://www.mendeley.com/research/mechanical-vertical-manipulation-selected-single-atoms-soft-nanoin
dentation-using-near-contact-atomic-force-microscopy/) and we've uploaded a nematode already.

>>3806581

I think the only major problems are bootstrapping diamond mechanosynthesis, going from basic cantilevered tools to NEMS manipulators, then millions of NEMS manipulators all working in parallel, and the only physical hurdle is stickiness and surface effects.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3807680]

>>3806720

As long as people don't sleepwalk into some kind of mind control slavery -- That is, as long as DIY transhumanism is still going and we can enhance ourselves without having to buy the latest iArm upgrade -- people will be able to transcend the human condition without becoming slaves.

They will most certainly not be mindless drones.

[Anonymous No.3807682]

>>3807680
RepRap V.10.4
Now with more biocompatible materials.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3807683]

>>3807682

Precisely.

[Anonymous No.3807741]

>>3804949
Most likely in the future. Humans have overruled natural selection with medicines and hospitals.

[Anonymous No.3807746]

>>3807741
But natural selection still works. It just chooses other variables now.

[Anonymous No.3807752]

>>3807746
Explain? I'm pretty young/dumb for /sci/. lol

[Anonymous No.3807761]

>>3807752
Natural selection is just the process. Even if we keep alive people that would otherwise die, the process is still in effect.

When we were apes crossing the savannah, the process favored those that were stronger and more fertile. Now the process favors those that are look more attractive and have more kids. In the cybernetic age, the process might favor those that clone their minds endlessly into new and improved bodies.

[Anonymous No.3807767]

What do you guys think of Ray Kurzweil?

[Anonymous No.3807773]

>>3807761
*Slaps back of head* Oh yeah! I already knew that. lol. I guess I just didn't think about sexual reproduction at the time because I think negatively of it when it concerns humans. Every time I do, all I think about is stupid people being more evolutionarily superior.

[Anonymous No.3807795]

>>3804949

[Anonymous No.3807803]

>>3807773
>all I think about is stupid people being more evolutionarily superior.
Nothing weird about that. NS doesn't select for some ideal ubermensch. It selects for whatever has the best chance to pass on genes.

[Anonymous No.3807815]

>>3807767
Lots of people here on /sci/ think he's some kind of phrophet leading all into the promised land, but I note that he made (and still makes) a shitton of money developing self-guided engines of destruction for the war department, mechanical potential berserkers, aka armed robots. The guy's a dangerous short-sided egomaniac, without a thought in his head in re ethics.

Personally, I hate his guts, and when Skynet's minions are standing over my broken body to deliver the coup de grace, my last words will be, "Kurzweil, you ignorant slut."

[Anonymous No.3807821]

>>3807815
>hates Kurzweil because of ethics
lol

[Anonymous No.3807826]

>>3807741 Most likely in the future. Humans have overruled natural selection with medicines and hospitals.

Natural selection has been history for quite some time now, even impotent men can have children now and people with shit genes can have long healthy lives as long as their parents were somewhat rich.

And with discoveries like this :
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=70083

Hell, this is the first step of De Greys, immortality plan achieved. Now we only need to cure cancer and make nanomachines to replace our immune system and better antioxidants and we're in the clear.

[Anonymous No.3807827]

>>380715

DIE UBERMENSCHE MAKES HIZ OWN EZIKS !!!ONE!!!

[Anonymous No.3807828]

>>3807815
What do you think about the plausibility of the predictions he's published? Are there many on /sci/ who dispute it?

[Anonymous No.3807834]

>>3806528 -curing aging
Too late.
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=70083
Well as long as they make it work in vivo in a timely fashion. Then again I doubt the singularity will happen earlier than 2030.

[Anonymous No.3807838]

>>3807773
>>3807803
Nature selects for success.

Success isn't measured by your wallet, by what people think of you or by what books you've read.

It's by what genes you've left in the world.

It's not wrong to define success in some other way but you should be aware that you're not playing by nature's rules then. Which is fine, civilisation is about defeating nature and making our own rules that are more fun and mean you don't get whacked in the head because someone wants your mate or because you looked weak and they wanted your food.

[Anonymous No.3807843]

>>3807828
Fuck Kurzweil

As for me, I want we bypass that shit and become sentient plasma beings

[Anonymous No.3807846]

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[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3808271]

I can't stand him. He's too passive. Looking at the stock market and making predictions, that's nice, but what is he doing?

Or maybe I've read too much David Zindell.

[Anonymous No.3809218]

>>3806528
I put my hopes in the tachion singularity. If we manage to detect tachions, which should travel back in time, and use them as sort of a phone to the past, we should make to the Kardashev's level 3 in no time.