Breaking a casino

[Anonymous No.3733319]

Greetings /sci/entists, I have a slight dilemma. I turned 22 today, and for my b-day over the weekend, my friends are taking me gambling at the nearest native-american-ran casino. I want to play along, however, I want to keep the money loosing to a minimum. I've got the algorithm of when to hit/stay/fold for black jack down, I can card count (for how long without getting caught may be a different story), I've got the odds of Hold em' as down as possible, however, I'd love to know if there's a way to beat the slots. Does anyone know what the usual algorithms are for electronic slot machines? I would love to start a back and forth on this in general. Plus general theory gaming the odds in a casino setting thread.
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[Anonymous No.3733333]

don't listen to other people. play roulette, and put your money on red. do it three times. only play with won money. don't do the slots. if you start to get a bad feeling, leave for minimum 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.3733339]

Slots are the worst thing you could possibly play in a casino.

[Anonymous No.3733342]

Please be a troll.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3733364]

How to win at a casino.

Sit at a bar, and play video poker. the win ratio on machines is usually 98% so you can cycle 100 dollars and get 98 back then use the 98 to win 96 to win 93 etc

play slow and steady, then take your remaining money, happy with the fact that your bar tab would have been 100 dollars anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.3733372]

Not trolling, just curious if anyone had it down, or possibly a rigging method...that was willing to share it. I know slots are a rigged deal (jack pot is like a i 1 in 16,777 chance of scoring I last read), just seeing what you folk thought

[Anonymous No.3733454]

I'm gonna say roulette just because you have 50/50 odds with going red or black. Can't really get much better than that in an injun run establishment.

Protip: should to start winning, they will try to shut you down

[Anonymous No.3733468]

OP you can't even spell losing, so i'm sure you won't.

>>3733454
can't tell if troll of stupid

[Anonymous No.3733489]

>>3733364
yeah, but then id be drunk, and if i do get drunk itll end up being several thousand

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3733532]

>>3733489
Alright, if you don't want to go with the beer win. The next best option is to play the slot machines. Again there will be payouts around 98%. This is hardwired into the machine. it has to average that payout. So if you sit around watching other people playing, and you notice someone lose 100 bucks without winning much back. Toss a 20 in. You have a good chance of winning. Run through the entire 20, even if your first spin or two wins, the machine will probably have a second payout for you.

These amounts are assuming you are playing quarter machines. Also always play the max bet. You get better payouts on the high end. And get access to bonus games depending on the machine.

[Anonymous No.3733556]

>>3733532
ok now you are clearly just trolling

[Anonymous No.3733621]

>1. sit down at a nl hold'em table
>2. identify the players playing too many hands and playing them too predictably (big bets = strong, small bets = weak, or vice versa).
>3. identify their patterns and try to play as many hands with them as feasible based on your reads and skill level.
>4. exploit the weaknesses you've identified (get away from a hand when they're strong, call down/bet when you think their holding is weak)
>5. ?????
>6. profit!!!!!
Preying on other gamblers is the only way to have a positive ROI over a large sample at a casino, assuming you don't cheat.

[Anonymous No.3733643]

Just drink a lot and get a hooker. Then you always win.

[Anonymous No.3733663]

If you can really count cards then do that at black jack. Note that they'll be using 4 or more decks though. That's pretty much the only way to make money besides Poker at a casino.

>a way to beat the slots
Stay away from them.

[Anonymous No.3733678]

The only way to win in casinos is to get some pretty damned good food for a fairly low price. And you can wander around and be wowed by the glam. But the rest is PURE LOSS. Stop fooling yourself that it's anything BUT that. If you like to play poker, try a few hands using money that you ALREADY told yourself that you can afford to lose. If you like the slots, grab $20 in nickels. Etc.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3733691]

>>3733556
it doesn't guarantee making money. But it gives you the best chance. The gambler fallacy does not apply to slot machines, because they are not truly random. in roulette there is a chance to get red 10000 times in a row. very small, but possible. With slot machines, it is impossible for it to keep losing that long, the program doesn't let it happen.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3733700]

>>3733678
quarters. no one has fun on nickle slots anymore, they are all designed with 10 lines, and 20 combinations of payouts.

[Anonymous No.3733709]

Randy "nanonoko" Lew
4,940,892 Hands on pokerstars
$2,157,985 total earnings

[Anonymous No.3734514]

>odds of hold em as down as possible


lol

[Anonymous No.3734525]

Slots? Ask around and see who has been sitting at a machine the longest. Ask a bartender or something. If someone has been sitting at one machine for several hours, take their machine when they stand up. That's your best chance.

Heres an unrelated blackjack chart

[Anonymous No.3734555]

>>3734525
Actually the odds of winning a jackpot are exactly the same whether the machine just hit a jackpot the spin right before or whether it hasn't hit in years. The only way to improve you odds at slots is always bet the max bet.

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that an odds bet in craps is the only bet in the entire casino that where the house doesn't have an advantage (unless you are card counting in black jack, but that is a lot of effort to put into such a stupid activity if you ask me).

[Anonymous No.3734557]

>>3733709

Confirmation bias

OP play poker or black jack. If your playing black jack don't forget to scale your bet with your runs.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3734568]

>>3734555 the odds of winning a jackpot are exactly the same whether the machine just hit a jackpot the spin right before or whether it hasn't hit in years.

nope, slot machines are required by law to pay out a certain amount per dollar put in. If the slot machine is more than X under that amount during inspections, the casino receives heavy fines. So the machines are coded to pay out, it isn't truly random.

[Anonymous No.3734571]

You don't break casinos, you play against suckers.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3734577]

>>3734568
oh, jackpot. Well in that case. You don't need jackpots to make money, they just give you more quickly. if you win 40 bucks for 20 put in, you are ahead.

[Anonymous No.3734713]

>>3734568
You don't seem to understand probability....

A payout of 98% means that if you played an infinite number of times you would get 98% of your money back in winnings. You, though, will not being playing an infinite number of times. You can put in $99 dollars and not win anything, and the next guy puts in $1 and wins $98. Most of the payout comes in the form of rare but high dollar jackpots, so most people put in lots of money and win nothing. It is the one lucky guy that gets most of that 98% payout. Also, most Indian casinos are only 80-90%.

[Anonymous No.3734733]

>>3733333
Quints speak the unspeakable horror of truth.

[Anonymous No.3734738]

There might be holes in the protocol at Indian casinos, but I know for a fact that Las Vegas casinos have sealed up all the points of weakness that would-be counters could exploit. The original book on card counting written by the MIT mathematician worked at the time (1980s-90s), but there is no way anyone could get away with those tactics in modern casinos.

Just cross your fingers, gamble, have fun, get drunk, get laid, etc., all that normalfag stuff.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3734773]

>>3734713
perhaps I am wrong about payout %. I was working on theory, not actual numbers. Though even at 90% the logic still follows. They are required to payout. If they are under by X amount, you can expect X or greater to come out within a time period.

As for jackpots, they are much rarer, I've only hit 3, and those were smaller 1-3 thousand dollar pots. So although they do effect the long run percentage, they do not effect the short term percentage.

[Anonymous No.3734872]

So here's what you do, OP.

Go to a casino. Preferably an older one that doesn't get much traffic. Bring a notepad and paper.

Go to the roulette wheels. These things are damn expensive, and don't get replaced/refurbished very often. Think decades-long time spans.

Occasionally, there will be a defect in a roulette wheel that causes it to favor one number over another. One pocket slightly deeper than another, one bar a little bit out of alignment, or something. And since these things are so damn expensive, they're not going to be refurbished/replaced over something like that -- so long as the table keeps making the casino money.

Your goal is to find that table with that defect that favors that pocket.

This is best to do with a handful of friends, so you can test multiple tables simultaneously. Sit down at a wheel, and write down what the ball lands on. Fill that entire damn notebook with numbers, you need THOUSANDS of results to get statistically sound data. Let's say five thousand results, just for a good round number.

Then, fire up your spreadsheet program of choice, and using your data, figure out the odds of landing in each of the pockets. You're looking for anything better than a 35 to one chance of hitting that number.

So let's say you've tested every wheel in the casino, and you finally found out that the table in the far back corner tends to favor, I dunno, 40, with a 30 to 1 chance of the ball landing there.
Acquire a couple thousand dollars. Go to that table, and bet on that number for the whole of every afternoon of every day for a month. As long as (chances of landing on that number) is better than (payout for landing on that number), you WILL make money in the long run.

[Anonymous No.3734896]

>>3734872
lol bring a TI into the casino
won't raise any red flags at all

[Anonymous No.3734912]

>>3734896
Say it's a project for a Statistics class or some other excuse.
And then once you've found your defective wheel, get someone else to make the bets.

[Anonymous No.3734945]

>>3733319
all roullete wheels have a certain tilt to them which then allows for a a set of spaces to be more likely than the rest.
you'd have to record at least a 1000 spins to identify such, and it is common for them to rotate the wheel with another to prevent this.
for a slot machine ,it is the law of odds, because there is a chance of hitting the jackpot, as long as the crank is pulled there is always the possibility, and eventually someone will. Right place, right time, pure luck.
card games are just counting cards.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3734953]

pascal invented the roulette

[Anonymous No.3734962]

A quick semi-related question:

Why is card counting illegal? Isn't being able to track the cards an integral skill to the game? Isn't that the point of cards? To have a game based on certain skillsets instead of luck? If they don't want people using those skillsets, them remove the games that require them. Replace them will other chance based games.

[Anonymous No.3734968]

>>3734962
It's not illegal, just frowned upon. Like masturbating in an airplane. I bet you aren't even allowed to masturbate on an airplane anymore. Fuck you, Bin Laden.

[Anonymous No.3734970]

>>3734962

Because it's not like Poker. Blackjack plays you against the House. The house needs to keep it's advantage in order to be viable. That means people who can beat the system must leave.

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3734994]

>>3734962
In Atlantic city, it used to be the law that every casino offer at least 1 single deck blackjack table. Not sure if that is still the case.

[Anonymous No.3735093]

>>3734962
>>Why is card counting illegal?

It is not illegal. However, if a Casino sees you doing it, they can throw you out because it is private property and they can throw you out for any reason. Casinos dislike it because it allows the players to win more often then they lose, such that on average they win money instead of the house.

>If they don't want people using those skillsets, them remove the games that require them. Replace them will other chance based games.

Games like Blackjack are famous and have mystique. People gain more enjoyment from gambling with them instead of gambling while watching a computer display the result of a random number generator. I'm sure casinos would love to replace every blackjack table with something else but it simply isn't feasible so long as blackjack is in demand.

[Anonymous No.3735132]

I can't remember the guys that did this, but they tried to use interspike interval embedding, a sort of chaos and control theory phenomenon, to try to game a roulette wheel. They put the program on a little chip in the heal of their shoe. Not very effective iirc but that chaos theory is really fun...

[Anonymous No.3735142]

>>3735093
With the number of decks they use, card counting isn't anywhere as effective, so most places don't care.

[Anonymous No.3735192]

>>3735093
I just think if you want to draw people in with Blackjack than you should also accept that it is a game people can potentially become good at.

Why should Casinos have the right to say "we want the games that bring people in AND the right to kick them out if they win"?

Frankly, I think there should be much stricter laws placed on casinos in terms of what they can get away with towards their customer base. It should be illegal to continue allowing someone to play for a certain number of hours and illegal to turn people away for doing well. And if it already is, it needs to be more harshly enforced.

Perhaps Casino security could be required by law to be handled by private firms that are personally liable for these things. That way they'd turn away problem gamblers and only kick out people who are addicted/an actual security risk. You know, their fucking job.

[Anonymous No.3735314]

>>3735192
Welcome to the real world.