/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3682815]

Suppress emotion.

Embrace logic.

[Anonymous No.3682817]

realize that without emotion a human is compeletely devoid of purpose, motivation, or meaning

die of thirst

[Anonymous No.3682820]

>>3682817
In other words, become an asspie

[Anonymous No.3682826]

>>3682817
If you let your emotions drive you, you will drown in them.

[Anonymous No.3682836]

>2011
>not embracing logic

[Anonymous No.3682846]

>2011
>being an asspie

[Anonymous No.3682854]

>phd in logic
>any algorithm i want
>4d space partitioning starting

[Anonymous No.3682862]

>>3682817
You're operating under the assumption that humanity has a purpose.

That assumption is false.

[Anonymous No.3682885]

>>3682862
you're assuming I'm assuming that, while in fact I make no assumptions whatsoever but that a biochemical process has no meaning or telos nor is it part of a great cosmic plan

[Anonymous No.3682903]

>>3682885
Now you're assuming that he's assuming that your assumptions are false. How silly is that?

[Anonymous No.3682905]

Logic isnt gonna get me a job.

[Anonymous No.3682910]

>>3682905
I sure hope you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.3682917]

>>3682903
>assuming I'm assuming that he's assuming that, while in fact he clearly revealed his assumptions, thus making my assumption over his assumption a reasonably proven one, and thus fact
>assuming it even matters

[Anonymous No.3682930]

>>3682917
>not assuming that I'm not assuming your assumptions about him assuming that you're assuming based on a false assumption

[Anonymous No.3682948]

>>3682930
>assuming the word assuming hasn't passed the semantic saturation point already

[Anonymous No.3682956]

>>3682948
>assuming i'm not trying to troll

[Anonymous No.3682960]

Feel emotions, think logically, act humane.

Be better than most humans.

[Anonymous No.3682963]

>>3682960
>implying logic is not influenced by emotion

[Anonymous No.3682970]

Feel emotion <span class="math">\wedge[/spoiler] embrace logic. Problem, OP?

[Anonymous No.3682992]

>>3682970
feeling emotion <span class="math">\Rightarrow[/spoiler] clouded logic

[Anonymous No.3683004]

Emotions are subvocalization of our rational system.

NOTHING mysterious or unrational about feelings. Nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.3683005]

>>3683004
>takes DMT
>as i was saying <blurp>

[Anonymous No.3683008]

>>3683005
DMT

What?
I take coffee

[Anonymous No.3683011]

>>3682992
Accordingly,

not feeling emotion <span class="math">\Rightarrow[/spoiler] clouded logic

[Anonymous No.3683017]

>>3683008
Comparing Coffee with DMT is like comparing a dirt bike with the Moon.

[Anonymous No.3683019]

>>3683011
Nigga you trippin

[Anonymous No.3683049]

>>3683017
I din't understand your post.


>>3683008

I take no drugs, or at least, very occasionally, and only thc .

[Anonymous No.3683061]

Suppress Emotions

Have sex once every 7 years

Or die trying

[Anonymous No.3683065]

Logic says I say should embrace emotions to generate motivation.

[Anonymous No.3683067]

Use logic to properly embrace emotion.

[Anonymous No.3683069]

>>3683049
>imagine being really high on weed
>now imagine that instead of being sleepy, you are wide awake and don't even remember what sleep means
>now imagine that instead of your casual high, this feeling is a trillion times more powerful
>now imagine tiny dwarf-like hyper-dimensional creatures jumping in and out of you and bombarding you with information that seems of extraterrestrial origin
>on top of that, imagine that language is no longer words but some strange sort of universal empathy / telepathy and everything around you is trying to communicate with you at some level
And that's how a DMT trip feels like.

[Anonymous No.3683083]

>>3683069
It feels like a wild load of bullshit then.
I try to eradicate delusions, not spawn new ones.

[Anonymous No.3683084]

>>3683083
Don't underestimate, my friend. Don't.

[Anonymous No.3683091]

>>3683084
I'm not.
It's just that..I don't trust drug induced "revealations"

[Anonymous No.3683092]

>>3683091
It's not a revelation when there's no word suitable to describe it.

[Anonymous No.3683099]

>>3683092
Then what it is? Just a fun trip?

I did exchange thoughts with a guy who was routinely using psychotrops, he was full of "I met god/the universe/Truth etc " ..needless to say, he wasn't very bright in his reflexions and certainly did nothing to better my understanding of Reality.... .

[Anonymous No.3683100]

>>3683083
Look at you taking yourself all seriously.
This is rather amusing, honestly.

[Anonymous No.3683105]

I quite like the Vulcan's general philosophy, but I hate how they always treat some thing's as innately 'logical.' How is not wanting war by default somehow logical?

I think it's just one of the many things the writers didn't actually know the definition too, along with evolution and singularity. Great show, but I really wish they worked closer with some actual scientists with their writing.

[Anonymous No.3683109]

>>3683100
You're right, who am I to dare to take myself seriously?

Why the passive-agressive attitude? Did you felt attacked in your ego or something? Fear I could be more serious than you?

[Anonymous No.3683115]

Emotions are the result of evolution, thus they are perfectly logical

We feel happy when we eat, sleep, fuck. Thus, we try to do those things because it helps reproducing as a species

We feel down when people die, when we're in pain, have hunger, are sleepy. Because we need to avoid stuff like that.

So yeah, shit makes sense

[Anonymous No.3683118]

>>3683105
Perhaps they realise that the cost is not worth the outcome in war? Maybe they find compassion a logical trait to possess? I don't watch Star Trek, in all honesty, I think it's a rather vapid and uninteresting show.

[Anonymous No.3683120]

>>3683118
So not going to war is logical 100% of the time?

>War is bad
>That is logical

[Anonymous No.3683124]

>suppress emotion
>find no logical reason to get up in the morning
>die

>>3683105
Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

[Anonymous No.3683125]

>>3683109
It's just laughable how seriously you're taking yourself on the internet. Lighten up, man. You're not that important, especially here.

[Anonymous No.3683126]

>>3683120
War causes deaths, tragedies, traumatismes. These cause feat, angst, hatred. These cause more wars.

stablan dychdf

[Anonymous No.3683129]

>>3683124
What did I do where?

[Anonymous No.3683130]

>>3683099
>Then what it is? Just a fun trip?
There's nothing fun about it. It's just a perception amplifier. Like weed, only difference is that weed amplifies your perception a tiny bit. So you feel more of what you were feeling before and your experience of whatever is going on around you is somewhat enhanced. Taking stronger psychedelics yields an amplification of perception so great that it's description just doesn't fit with our understanding of the world. Whatever is revealed when one takes such a substance, lies far beyond of what reason is capable of taking in. It reveals a person something that is clearly impossible by all human standards.

That's why this experience is spawning off so many thoughts and opinions. Because it is very powerful, and anyone that underwent it can confirm that. But not many of them explain properly the nature of it, often mixing personal agendas into the description as to make it fit in the human mindset better. The true nature of the experience isn't something that could be written down, or understood. It's simply far too strange for any of that.

[Anonymous No.3683131]

>>3683125
I'm very important here. For myself and that's enough bro'

[Anonymous No.3683133]

>>3683120
I'm not entirely certain, never have I claimed to be, perhaps you can devise an instance wherein war would be the most logical outcome? You know, instead of being a lazyass and pouncing on people who make slight contradictions for the sake of the dialectical.

[Anonymous No.3683141]

>>3683131
Then you're just as delusional as you perceive others to be.
Thank you for elucidating that particular flaw in your character for me.

[Anonymous No.3683142]

>>3683130
I know what you mean.
I can try it tho. I have anxiety attacks etc so ..no way.

[Anonymous No.3683145]

>>3683141
If you think you aren't important for yourself at least, why are you still alive?
Hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.3683155]

>>3683133
>Logic (from the Greek λογική logikē)[1] is the formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning.

So not going to war is the most systematised and valid outcome to any issue... even if the issue was "we need more resources."

You say "Where do we want to be" and "how do we get there" and if the steps to get there reach where you want to be, then that solution is logical. Not "here's a list of things that are logical" and "here is a list of thing's that aren't."

[Anonymous No.3683161]

>>3683129
>dat filename

[Anonymous No.3683175]

>>3683142
>can try

>CAN'T

sorry

[Anonymous No.3683179]

>>3683130
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and also pharmacodynamically erroneous. The only thing you've demonstrated here is a philistinic apprehension of experience without any analytic investigation into the very phenomenon itself. Bravo, sir.

[Anonymous No.3683180]

>>3683161
oh yeah. I sometimes forget I have them all renamed.

[Anonymous No.3683181]

>>3682905
>Logic isnt gonna get me a job.

Wanting a job is an emotion. Suppress it! Suppress it, I tell you!

[Anonymous No.3683183]

>>3683179
I was talking about how impossible the experience is to analyse, please re-read my post.

[Anonymous No.3683184]

>>3682815

>Friend tries to suppress emotions for a while
>He never shows any emotion on anything at all
>He distances himself from everything
>Ends up being super depressed and crying ever day

Emotions occur, you can either express them or hide them, but in the end you will always feel them.

[Anonymous No.3683186]

>>3683145
The very reason which we are alive is due to our emotional investments to perceptible future gratification.

[Anonymous No.3683189]

>>3683184
Your friend lacked the will and the power.

Suppressing emotion doesn't mean you have to act like a robot. It's simply a practice to develop great control over them.

[Anonymous No.3683191]

>>3682862

And your operating under the premise that purpose is something you are born with and not acquired later in life. People make a purpose for themselves.

[Anonymous No.3683193]

>>3683189
>them
(emotions)

[Anonymous No.3683201]

>>3683155
My entire argument thus has been comprised of absolutely no assertion, so you may desist in approaching as if they did, asshole. I never did say that avoiding war was the most logical substantial outcome, so there your argument is based upon a false premise and therefore fallacious.

[Anonymous No.3683202]

>>3683184
Of course they will.
Emotions are reflex reactions to certain stimulii. THey are environnemental routines, creating a background, a mood in order to influence your purely rational mind. They are nature's tools of manipulation, required to keep humanity going on. They are psychosises selected by evolution for their survival advantages.

A perfect IA without emotions would do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8DabmWBEKY

[Anonymous No.3683203]

>>3683189

That isn't suppressing them you idiot. That is managing them. Nice psychology degree you have there.

[Anonymous No.3683211]

>>3683202
or this
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8DabmWBEKY

[Anonymous No.3683224]

> suppress emotion entirely
> have no goals whatsoever, including scientific curiosity

[Anonymous No.3683228]

>>3683224
Untrue, Spock always seems quite involved

[Anonymous No.3683231]

>>3683228
Vulcan's are fictional.

[Anonymous No.3683235]

>>3683231
Are they now.

[Anonymous No.3683236]

>>3683228
And what are his motivations?

[Anonymous No.3683242]

You have ten seconds to prove I am not a chair using only logic.

[Anonymous No.3683244]

>>3683236
Space whores.

[Anonymous No.3683247]

>>3683244
>That feel when Uhura and Spock are fucking in the new Star Trek movie

So much for staying true to the Canon

[Anonymous No.3683251]

>>3683242
You're a sentient mammal, a chair is not a sentient mammal, but an inanimate object, therefore you are not a chair.

[Anonymous No.3683252]

>>3682992
So either I don't feel emotion, or have clouded logic, or both at once? That sucks.

[Anonymous No.3683255]

>>3683251

How do you know that I am not merely a sentient chair? The statement that I am a mammal is fallacious.

[Anonymous No.3683256]

>>3683242
Chair don't "use" anything. That goes into the property of what is called "chair" . Therefore, your claim is fallacious and tainted with malice

[Anonymous No.3683263]

>>3683256

I meant that you have to prove that I am not a chair, using only logic as your method of doing so. More to the point, your statement that chairs do not use anything is an assumption since I am a chair and I am using something. Can you prove chairs don't use anything?

[Anonymous No.3683265]

>>3683252
Ultimately, you could analyze, describes , understand and master (suppressing wrong emotions by confrontation nwith rationality) any feeling you have, you will find yourself made of pure reason. I don't think you could live among us anymore. We'd be almost different species.

[Anonymous No.3683278]

>>3683255
Well, for one, I said you were a sentient mammal.
And if a chair was sentient, then that would make an occlusion of the very definition of chair. " Correct and accurate conclusions may be arrived at if we carefully observe the relation of the spheres of concepts, and only conclude that one sphere is contained in a third sphere, when we have clearly seen that this first sphere is contained in a second, which in its turn is contained in the third. On the other hand, the art of sophistry lies in casting only a superficial glance at the relations of the spheres of the concepts, and then manipulating these relations to suit our purposes, generally in the following way: — When the sphere of an observed concept lies partly within that of another concept, and partly within a third altogether different sphere, we treat it as if it lay entirely within the one or the other, as may suit our purpose."

[Anonymous No.3683279]

>>3683263
Yes. Because "chairs" don't exist as entities really. The word "Chair" describe is an abstract, a linguistic concept. A chair is made of wood, made of proteins, minerals, atoms, n . We arbitrarily decides that this set amount of wood of aluminium or whatever material, in this particular configuration bears the name and function of "chair".

Using logic isn't a trait we recognize (nor we seek to implement-for now-) when we say "chair".
You're confusing language and reality.
You aren't a chair, Sir.

[Anonymous No.3683281]

>>3683255
How exactly the statement you are a mammal fallacious? You're nothing but a facetious sophist.

[Chair No.3683284]

>>3683278
>>3683279
>>3683281

The chair ruse was a distaction! Now I have the thread.

[Anonymous No.3683287]

>>3682948
>>3682930
>>3682917
>>3682885
>>3682862

I'M ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

[Anonymous No.3683288]

>>3683279
Linguistics also employs the platonic concept of the chair, or the "chairness" Funny story about that between Plato and Diogenes.

[Anonymous No.3683298]

Gentlemen, you treat both as incompatible. But you are wrong. You are wrong by treating them as equal and occupying the same space. Both infomr our reactions and behaviour and both have more or less influence in our lives, but to an exten, every human being is capable of both at different times.
Emotions are there when there is willing social interaction with others. Logic is there to infomr and help you go about your business in work, school and everyday life that does not involve others.

You can apply emotions to a job (artist, craftsman) or logic to a social situation (politican, lawyer), and it may or may not work
The true logic is in recognising that both are needed and equally important for a well-rounded peronality. Leaving either out denies you the full experience of being a human being.

[Anonymous No.3683299]

>>3683120
>monster alien
>go to war with us or we will wipe out your entire species mercilessly

>spock
>do what you will war is illogical

>monster alien
>that shit ain't logical

[Anonymous No.3683311]

>>3682817

you only have to suppress emotion while looking for truth

you can have emotions in a relationship, you can feel sad when watching the news

mfw autists in the thread didn't understand what the op meant

[Anonymous No.3683324]

>>3683298
How would we form logic without language through social interaction?

[Anonymous No.3683331]

>>3683130
>lies far beyond of what reason is capable of taking in
How long did it take you to fully explore the depths of experience available to one through reason?
>The true nature of the experience isn't something that could be written down,
I bet you'd get a lot closer if you'd approached the limits of reason before hand. The extra vocabulary acquired along the way would make things easier, for instance.
>or understood.
Science, dude.

[Anonymous No.3683338]

>>3683298
>needed for social exchanges
I'll fix that for you:
>fucking up social exchanges

>well rounded
could be translated in "in the acceptable standards". Acceptable by you? By (fucked up by emotional disorders) people.
Thank you Captain Obvious.

[Anonymous No.3683340]

logic is a tool, not a philosophy, its useless on its own
even wanting to use logic is an emotional act

[Anonymous No.3683350]

ITT: People not knowing the difference between suppressing emotions and not allowing emotions to rule them.

[Anonymous No.3683361]

>>3683338
was posted after you, but see

>>3683340
>>3683350

[Anonymous No.3683371]

>>3683130
Drugs alter the way you take in information and how that information is interpreted, you are bound to see wierd things on drugs, it doesn't mean its unlocking your mind to secrets of the universe.

You are off your face.

[harmless !bRiARs6qOk No.3683380]

Emotion has its place as a social modulator and can be used creatively. It's has a dampening effect on logical thought. I've found that to be true. Ex. My ex girlfriend was a bitch. I loved her and felt sad when it came time to break up with her. Emotion would have held me to her even longer, logic allowed me to assess the situation from a new perspective. Dumped the bitch. Not a single fuck was given. I'm naturally stoic, and yeah, I see things from a logical perspective because of my diagnosis. Helps to filter out ridiculous bullshit. Stoics are god tier.

[Anonymous No.3683381]

>>3683324
Logic does not necessarily require communication to form.

[harmless !bRiARs6qOk No.3683390]

>>3683130
Begs the question about the use of DMT and similar chemicals producing similar visuals and effects in different cultures. Is it a doorway? No one knows shit.

[Anonymous No.3683408]

>>3683242
That's not fair. They put computers in everything now a days.

[Anonymous No.3683430]

>>3683381
It requires experience, but it doesn't become abstracted until communication and the exchange of ideas occur.

[Anonymous No.3683491]

>>3683390
Anthropologists and neurologists know this shit, and set out to know it better. You aren't even ignorant of this. You just didn't think about it.

[Anonymous No.3683497]

>>3683430
Communication only allows for others to verify your logic, your logic can still exist and be verified through your own observation.

[Anonymous No.3683510]

>>3683381
Furthermore, logic, in itself, is a vital tool for communication, and it is extrapolated into structures resembling spoken language, in the form of grammar and syntax.

[Anonymous No.3683512]

>>3683497
But how is that logic formalised for cognition?

[Anonymous No.3683525]

>>3683510
I'd say they're almost indistinguishable, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.3683526]

>>3683512
How do blind/deaf/mutes go about it?

[Anonymous No.3683561]

>>3683526
Braille.

[Anonymous No.3683587]

>>3683561
That's how they communicate but how do they think?

[Anonymous No.3683592]

>>3683561
How can you be taught braille in the first place if you can't see or hear.

You would literally just be feeling bumps.

[Anonymous No.3683611]

>>3683587
>>3683592
Possibly through through tactioception, olfacoception, nociception, gustacoception, etc.

I'd also like to present the definition of logic herein the antecedent post:

[Anonymous No.3683620]

"A second discipline, also called ‘logic’, deals with certain valid inferences and good reasoning based on them. It does not, however, cover good reasoning as a whole. That is the job of the theory of rationality. Rather it deals with inferences whose validity can be traced back to the formal features of the representations that are involved in that inference, be they linguistic, mental, or other representations. Some patterns of inference can be seen as valid by merely looking at the form of the representations that are involved in this inference. Such a conception of logic thus distinguishes validity from formal validity. An inference is valid just in case the truth of the premises guarantees the truth of the conclusion, or alternatively if the premises are true then the conclusion has to be true as well, or again alternatively, if it can't be that the premises are true but the conclusion is false. Validity so understood is simply a modal notion, a notion about what has to be the case. Others might think of validity as involving are more fine grained hyperintensional notion, but in any case, validity so understood is not what logic is concerned with. Logic is concerned with formal validity, which can be understood as follows..." further reading here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-ontology/#Log

[Anonymous No.3683627]

>>3683611
Maybe i'm not smart enough to figure out how people would learn braille through smell, pain and taste.

[Anonymous No.3683635]

>>3683592
The same way children are taught to speak. By making them associate certain sounds to certain other sensorial stimuli.

[Anonymous No.3683636]

>>3683627
Through quantification of properties; representation and association of phenomenon of which they experience.

[Anonymous No.3683639]

>emotion
>separate from "logic"
>2011

[Anonymous No.3683641]

>>3683592
They did it in the Miracle Worker.

[Anonymous No.3683681]

>>3683636
And that's the very basic definition of language.

[Anonymous No.3683691]

>>3683681
NOPE

[Anonymous No.3683704]

>>3683691
Yes, wherefore do you make a contradiction?

[Anonymous No.3683914]

That's what I thought, dick.